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@3RU7AL
These individuals may (or may not) have a coherent position (as they usually claim to in vague terms and bald assertions)
And, the irony of that statement hasn't come crashing down on you yet?
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@Mopac
With The Ultimate Reality, there are no thoughts
So having no thoughts is better than having thoughts?
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@ethang5
following me aroundBitter much?
Yes, you are, very bitter. That last post says it all.
It looks like you've lost something, too.
I think you're done here.
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@ethang5
All that evidence you're posting for abiogenesis
It's well known when at ddo you denied every piece of evidence placed before you, doing so because you didn't have a clue what the evidence was, because you've never learned anything about science. It would be like me handing a piece of a turbo fan jet engine to you asking where it fits on the engine and it's purpose. You would simply shrug your shoulders and probably deny it was part of that engine. This is the level of comprehension you constantly exhibit. You pick and choose what is and what is not science based on your irrational religious beliefs. Sad, but hilarious, because it's you.
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@ethang5
I love internet trolls.
I'm sure you studied long and hard to be one, you certainly haven't studied anything else.
Tell us all and the Gentle Readers why you are so adamant at humiliating yourself?
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@Mopac
It is childish to deny reality.
Exactly, and yet here you are doing just that. Why not take your own advice?
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@ethang5
Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever.
Massive, massive ignorance and denial. Hilarious.
Why not you start another thread and tell us all about how the Bible is a book of science and the goat herders of that time already knew what scientists are only discovering now (because God told them). That was a side splitter. I peed a little reading that one.
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@3RU7AL
You must show your logic, because without evidence to the contrary, your position is logically incoherent.
Yes, and you have yet to show any evidence for you claims.
Round and round you go, the swirling dervish.
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@ethang5
There are no amputees!Still no evidence on abiogenesis.
That's the kind of evidence you understand. Lol.
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@ethang5
Maybe if you told it to the tree? Lol.
It appears your memory is shot or perhaps your getting Alzheimers. You're referring to someone else, Cletus.
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@ethang5
How many times will you post the same vacuous "you don't know science" silliness.
It's the truth and the problem here, obviously. You, and all your Creationist buddies have no concept of science, which shows in spades every time you post here. It's baffling as to why Creationists wish so fervently to make utter fools of themselves. I guess they have no shame, morals or ethics.
That's what God delusions do, they kill the thinking mind, just like drugs.
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@ethang5
scientists will laugh at you
Yes, they are laughing at you and will continue to do so until you educate yourself on what science is and how it works, clearly you have no idea and never did. Funny, that you just remain ignorant and then post your hilarious denials here.
you claimed that photons existed at the core of black holes
Never said anything of the sort, but you said:
There are no amputees!
That was friggin hilarious and it's unlikely you'll ever live that one down, Lol.
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@Mopac
My beliefs are wrong and so are yours. To admit this is to admit sin.
I have no beliefs in fairies and pixies, nor do I sin. You're very confused.
The Ultimate Reality is what is true, and that is what God is. That is something that goes beyond anyone's belief on the matter.
That is your personal, irrational, illogical and completely childish belief. Please grow up and be an adult.
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@3RU7AL
Oh, yeah, right, of course, please feel free to completely dodge every single point I've explicitly addressed.
When you make a valid point, we'll address it, but until then all you're doing is filling my mouth with your words. Quite dishonest.
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@Mopac
If you claim the translations are wrong then that means your beliefs are wrong. Why should anyone then take you seriously when you sink your own boat.
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@disgusted
Nothings changed, ET runs away yet again.
Of course, ET is not here to discuss, debate or listen to anyone else, he is only here to preach his personal version of his beliefs. He complains because others are actually criticizing his views, which he hates with a passion because no one accepts them for the simple reason his beliefs are uber delusional.
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@EtrnlVw
Not infinite cosmos, rather infinite consciousness/intelligence. This is as far back to the wall reality goes,
Sorry, but there is no evidence whatsoever of such a thing and it contradicts the reality of what consciousness is, a function of the brain.
Repeating that nonsense over and over only makes you look like you need professional help.
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@ethang5
That is why hardly anyone can name an experiment on abiogenesis performed after Urey-Miller.
Yet, I just found over 4000 recent peer-reviewed papers on abiogenesis research. Try and educate yourself so you can sound somewhat intelligent, currently you're just a denier of fact.
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@ethang5
Science is more than theories. And not all theories are science. Abiogenesis is wishful fantasy, not science.
Thank you for confirming your ignorance of science, but we already knew that. As I mentioned to your Creationist buddy, this is not the Science Denial forum.
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@ravensjt
It doesn't sound like you know much about science let alone abiogenesis. You Creationists need to go educate yourselves rather than making fools of yourselves. This is the Science forum, not the Science Denial forum.
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@Mopac
The topic is about the command of Jesus
Why should anyone follow a command of Jesus? Wasn't Jesus smart enough to compel and convince? Did he not have the brains to reason and rationalize and teach his followers the same thing? Was he so dumb as to have to command us to behave?
Obviously, Jesus didn't actually teach anything, did he. Commanding is not teaching. It certainly hasn't worked on you or many other Christians.
Major fail on the part of Jesus.
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@Mopac
You're just fabricating obvious lies. Grow up.
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@Mopac
You say that, but theologians for thousands of years claim otherwise, and so do I.
You're just making up more baloney. It's just you, no one else. Deal with it.
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@EtrnlVw
you only mocked those that understood the truthWell that's the spirit lol, only you are what you are, you don't have to demolish anyone only learn to transcend that which is an obstacle of your progression. You are an individualization of the All in a dualistic environment as with everyone else, becoming that which first projected you is to surrender that which is not God, that which hinders such a progression.
You think you're actually offering that as "the truth"? It is incomprehensible gibberish. Could you please learn to talk like an adult, try and bring some level of intellect to the table rather than nonsense. You complain that the intellectual bar needs to be raised, yet you post childish nonsensical gibberish and insult everyone's intelligence.
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@Mopac
Those are your own claims, they are not supported by Scriptures.The Monotheist God is The Ultimate Reality.
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@Mopac
The bible certainly supports my claims
No, it doesn't. Have you already forgotten the term "Supreme or Ultimate Reality" is not in Scriptures?
Stop lying.
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@Mopac
But if you pick up just about any work of Augustine, he makes it very clear that this is God
Then, why aren't you worshiping Augustine if the Bible doesn't support your claims?
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@3RU7AL
However, what I am currently puzzled by is a person who says the only believe in empirical evidence and then tries to assert that consciousness is somehow evidence of free will.This makes zero sense.
If you can't support your assertions, fill the others mouths with your words. Poor tactic.
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@EtrnlVw
And so will energy and electricity end when some machinery or object dies. Not. Nice assertion though.
Machinery and objects don't have brains. Your argument has now reached the level of a five year old.
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@3RU7AL
I have met your demands to the best of my ability.
Then clearly, you haven't the ability to support your claims. Looks like you're done here.
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@EtrnlVw
Lol, I'll wait here while you materialize that.
Should I wait while you attempt to understand what I wrote or will the universe end before that ever happens? I have idea what you're rambling about. Learn to use the English language, please.
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@Mopac
The Supreme or Ultimate Reality which is in line with theology, and not simply Christian theology either.
Sorry, but those terms do NOT appear in any Christian theology. Fabricating lies will get you nowhere.
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@Mopac
Your a master of childish semantics and a terrible debater.
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@3RU7AL
My position has not changed, I'm still waiting for you to support your assertions.
Just admit you can't and we'll move on.
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@EtrnlVw
Buckle up boy, you're going to find that out when your consciousness leaves the physical body...too bad you were always unwilling to accept those who knew such things, you only had mockery and insults yet you wished it to be true. Sad really, it is true and you think it's absurd. It's okay in all honesty, you will find out one way or the other, the only problem is you will not know what's going on and where you are going, you only mocked those that understood the truth and never desired to learn, therefore you will be clueless. You won't get to traverse the higher realms, you will have to reincarnate til you actually get it, and stop with the cherades.
My consciousness will end when my brain dies or is damaged beyond all repair via trauma.
Your fantasies of higher realms and what you claim to know are all delusions in your head. Everyone knows this except you. That's why your posts are always referred to as delusional. The rest is just incoherent gibberish.
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@3RU7AL
For example, empirically, one could observe two individuals calling the same dog by name.The dog would then make a decision as to which request to honor first.
That is one of the silliest things I've read today. You're saying the dog made a conscious decision, that it actually thought about it. Hilarious.
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@EtrnlVw
Do you? do you know what reference means?
Of course, unlike yourself, I can read definitions in a Dictionary and understand them whereas you cannot.
I've even observed you to copy/paste definitions from Dictionaries in your posts and then immediately turn around and ignore them for your own personal made up definition of the same word. The meaning of consciousnesses has been and continues to be a perfect example of that. You completely ignore the definition in order to make up your own definition, referred to earlier as "wishy-washy", which pretty much explains it.
No, it is the dictionaries claims that are empty. Yet it's a REFERENCE book lol. You are quite a character aren't you? Are "reference books" empty Goldy?
As we can see yet again, you're very confused and have no idea what a Dictionary is used. It's a book of reference. It helps to define words so people can understand one another. You, of course, want nothing to do with understanding. It doesn't claim God exist or has any authority in the matter.
Try to keep up.
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@Mopac
Well, people have problems even with simple things.
Like figuring out what Dictionaries are used for?
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@3RU7AL
Dictionaries are reference books to look up the definition of words. That's it.
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@Mopac
But it isn't empty because this is the monotheist God, and by rejecting this meaning, you are simply being willfully ignorant.
The Dictionary is a reference book, do you not understand that?
It is your claims that are empty.
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@3RU7AL
I can observe animals making decisions.
That's yet another claim you need to support.
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@EtrnlVw
Not a straw man at all actually
Strawman being another term you don't understand. Yes, that's exactly what you offered, a Strawman.
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@EtrnlVw
The brain is nothing more than a conductor and restrictor to the flow of consciousness, it does not create it. I can use a an electrical meter/tester to detect electrical current but that has nothing to do with the electrical source, where the current comes from only the current form and flow. I can monitor all forms of electrical surge in any given object or machinery, none of which is produced by the object or machinery, same thing with conscious activity.
That's merely another one of your fantasies that has nothing to do with reality, facts or evidence.
Sorry, but your electrical example has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness. If that had any validity, then we should be able to monitor this consciousness you claim is floating around in the universe.
Where is your evidence? Of course, as usual, you have none.
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@3RU7AL
Merriam-Webster says,
Definition of leprechaun
- a mischievous elf of Irish folklore usually believed to reveal the hiding place of treasure if caught
Definition of unicorn
- usually white animal generally depicted with the body and head of a horse with long flowing mane and tail and a single often spiraled horn in the middle of the forehead
Notice that Dictionaries are reference books and have no authority whatsoever other then defining words.
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@EtrnlVw
He doesn't know what is non-empirical and prob never will.
The non-empirical and the non-existent are indistinguishable from one another. You of all people have never shown otherwise.
He's a pure materialist/atheist and anything outside that he's dumb-founded, nothing registers, religious topics go straight over his blank head.
I understand a great deal more than you, who can't even understand simple definitions of words that high school students understand.
Logic and common sense alone don't exist and do not resonate in his one-dimensional brain.
Your concept of logic and sense are delusions of God worlds, God realms, Spiritual Beings you claim to talk to and other ridiculous and childish fantasies that have nothing to do with reality.
His whole foundation is built on an illusion thinking and believing only that which was produced by some scientist is somehow truth lol.
No, it's called reality, something from which you have divorced yourself. My foundations is built of facts, evidence and understanding while yours is built on whatever your vivid imagination produces.
Then he mocks others for believing in what those who's expertise transcends those little boundaries.
You have no expertise in anything that you've ever discussed here or ddo. It's all fantasy conjured from your head. That's why everyone says your posts are delusional, just like you complained about earlier. The show fits, wear it or discard it.
How hilarious, he clings to one illusion and refuses to believe anything outside that. That is the epitome of these kind of folks in a religious debate/discussion.
You cling to delusion, you refuse to accept reality and have to fabricate lies and make up things as you go along. This has all been well documented and is your legacy wherever you go.
There's nothing wrong with having religious discussions, but that's not what you do.
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@Mopac
So all I can tell you is that when I say God, it means The Ultimate Reality.
So, your claims have now turned into a game of semantics. God = Ultimate Reality is as empty a claim as any other empty claim. It means nothing.
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@3RU7AL
Can you not observe someone making a decision? Can scientists not monitor brain activity? Did you not freely post on these forums?
You clearly have a long way to go here.
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@3RU7AL
You might be better suited to the science forum than the religion forum.
You might be better suited to support your empty claims in any forum. You haven't done that.
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@ethang5
I never said any such thing about trees. Go play your childish games elsewhere.
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