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@Sidewalker
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

-some guy
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I support Trump now... mostly...
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@Best.Korea
You just want to be on the side of 80% popularity.
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Can I get hard mod confirmation that crabs are inherently town?

kthxbai
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@Mharman
Pie is town
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"Ukraine will win!"
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@Swagnarok
First off, Zelensky's gonna be replaced asap, especially after he declared martial law and suspended elections. Then had near a million Ukrainians killed or fled the country permanently with nothing to show for it.

Secondly, All of the EU countries bordering Ukraine plus Germany is more than enough to keep Russia in check, especially if they double the GDP contribution to military like they promised in 2016.
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"Ukraine will win!"
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@Swagnarok
Or, more modestly, when Ukraine signs a treaty formally renouncing/de facto relinquishing its sovereignty over the occupied territories with zero credible assurances that Russia won't attack again in the future.

How about a more realistic predictable outcome (predicted for over 2 years by many)

Ukraine gives up the Russian speaking Donbas and gets some protective assurances from Europe. Will that be "not to lose"?
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"Ukraine will win!"
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@Swagnarok
Sorry...what does " to not lose." look like?

What's that condition look like?
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@ILikePie5
VTL MHARMAN
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@n8nrgim
Corruption is the main reason why there's so much waste and debt. No doubt about it.
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@ILikePie5
Im sheeping you
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"Ukraine will win!"
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@Swagnarok
 inspired the US and Europe for 3 years to give Ukraine what it needed to not lose.
What would you consider "not losing"

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@Swagnarok
Mmm...sweet sweet war propaganda. Makes for fun armchair posts, but it doesn't actually win wars.

Another year or two of this and Putin might finally blink.
I'm sure Raytheon was hoping for 10 years at least.
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@Best.Korea
when they claimed

Yes, the "they" people laugh at as if it were a "conspiracy theory"
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@Best.Korea
I'm pretty sure I was the only one that saw through the war propaganda on this site 2 years ago.
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"Ukraine will win!"
war propaganda 101

In other developments, war stocks have dropped 5% after Hitler floated the idea of cutting military spending in half.
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@ILikePie5
Since you townread pie, I will also town read pie.
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@WyIted

    A living wage is $28.72 for one single person.

and if you look up an article for 10 years ago, the minimum wage in Cali was set at around 12 dollars and the cost of living was around 18.50...

This is the shell game I am talking about.

Whatever you set it to, it will never be enough, because it's not true welfare, where you take wealth directly from the rich and give it to the poor.

There's too many ways for rich people to take advantage of wage regulations. 
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@badger
Literally the only way. 
Lol, but it really isn't. There's a ton of workable redistribution policies that can take money directly from the rich and into the hands of the poor. No tricks, no gimmicks.
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In California, the raise in the minimum wage for fast-food workers from $16 to $20 was signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) on September 28, 2023, and went into effect on April 1, 2024. The law applies to restaurants, coffee shops, and juice bars with at least 60 locations nationwide. E.g., McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Jersey Mike’s, Del Taco, and Pizza Hut.

That wage hike, which raised the cost of labor, killed 6,166 fast-food jobs between September 2023 and June 2024, reported the Employment Policies Institute in late December 2024. Counting the whole year since the law was signed—September 2023–2024—there were at least 9,600 job losses (and up to 19,300), reported Edgeworth Economics in late November 2024. 

The Employment Policies Institute further reported that between September 2023 and June 2024 “total private sector fast-food employment nationwide grew 1.6 percent” but in California it declined 1.1 percent. (that is a 2.7 point spread over one year!)


Most anyone with a journeyman knowledge of how this works understands why millionaires support it. Destroying jobs means destroying the competition.

You want to help the poor? Then give them money. Don't give them pink slips and higher costs of living....
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@badger
This has a lot to do with what Wylted explained to you about how all the mom and pop businesses were run underground because of competition regulations pushed by millionaire corporations. 

When the government forces the mom and pop stores to raise prices, most of them will go bankrupt. This is exactly why millionaires support those kinds of regulations. Wyted already explained that aspect very well, so I am not going to rehash his points. It's the poor business owners that suffer because they live on tight margins. The rich can afford it. And when the competition is gone, they can charge whatever they want, and send a little to their politician's coffer to keep it that way.
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@badger
It's idiotic to think a plan that millionaires support is superior than simply providing cash in hand to poor people.
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@badger
who said you couldn't steal from the rich and then give it to the poor? That's charity too.
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@Savant
The inflated prices that the poor have to pay for basic needs is what mitigates the demand.
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Bodily Autonomy is not a good argument for abortion for most people
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@WyIted
Did you include selected service as part of bodily autonomy? How about forcing servitude through child support?
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@Best.Korea
How do you feel about Trump cutting the military budget in half to save 500 billion a year?
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@n8nrgim
Doge will make taxation a relic of the past.
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VTL ANNA
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@Lunatic
it's a logical guess.
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@JoeBob
i will probably blow up and kill all the town
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@ILikePie5
kill all slackers

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@badger
who said you couldn't steal from the rich and then give it to the poor? That's charity too.
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@badger
Direct charity will always be the least harmful to the poor. 

Like BK suggested.
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It's a classic shell game. When the cost of living rises due to wage hikes, the rich producers—whether they’re large corporations or wealthy investors—stand to gain disproportionately. They will pass the increased costs down to consumers through higher prices, and because they hold the power in the marketplace, they will maintain their margins while inflating the cost of living. Meanwhile, the workers who the minimum wage hikes are supposed to help end up in the same place, with their purchasing power eroded by rising price. Overpriced dirt.

The real kicker is that the wealth generated by this process often doesn't stay in the local economy. Large corporations and wealthy individuals are fluid and have the ability to export that capital out of state, or even out of the country, where it will be invested in places with either lower costs or where the value of money is greater. This means the local economy gets stripped of wealth, while those at the top keep reaping the benefits of inflated prices and exported profits. It's how urban decay has happened in every crony city in Ameirca, creating vast areas of slums and forgotten people.

And while all this is going on, the working class gets stuck footing the bill. They're stuck with the higher prices for the same basic stuff, but hey will never see the same kind of benefit that the wealthy do from the increased prices. To add insult to injury, it's a wealth transfer from the bottom to the top, disguised as a well-intentioned effort to lift the poor out of poverty, when in reality, it often keeps them in the same place, or worse. The minimum wage cities speak for themselves, just take a drive through the slums and look at the prices everywhere.

There's ways to provide relief and welfare for the poorest, but this surely isn't it. If the rich support it, you know it's a bad idea.
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@badger
Yeah, likewise, you are a very dumb man if you can't imagine a better welfare system for the poor that doesn't amount to a shell game where the rich win in the end.
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@badger
so the poor living on dirt get to live on more expensive dirt just so they can think it's not overpriced dirt. got ya.
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@badger
no, my solution is to have a welfare system that doesn't hurt the poor.
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Cost of living isn't proportional to how much money poor people have, since it's affected by demand from people of all income levels.
It's countered linearly by the costs of supply. Increased demand for costlier supplies has a known effect.

Raising the minimum wage affects more than just the poorest workers. It creates upward pressure on wages across the spectrum (known as "wage compression"), which further increases demand as people in multiple income brackets suddenly have more spending power. This amplified demand for housing, food, and other essentials drives up costs for everyone—especially in areas where supply can’t keep up, like housing markets. So while the argument claims demand isn’t tied to poor people's incomes alone, boosting wages at the bottom affects the broader economy in ways that indirectly raise costs.

Again, high prices for living is an observable outcome in every city with high minimum wages. It's effectively a welfare tax affecting primarily those barely scraping by and on the margins of these high costs of living, which is why the rich support it. Raising the costs of living is one of the primary goals of the crony rich. And the income disparities are greatest in the cities with large minimum wages.
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@Savant
they both do. cost of living prices are ridiculously high in every state with high wage prices. The dollar buys less stuff.
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@Shila
minimum wage only devalues the dollar
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@Savant
I only slept with 9 women so I am practically a virgin.
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@ILikePie5
I am town this time mr pie pie
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My character is carcinization

My role is Crab God 

I do not get to know what the crab God does
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fauxlaw
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@fauxlaw
I like Hollowwood. Hollow.
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@Best.Korea
pedos need love too.
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RFK Jr. as Health Secretary. Why not?
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@Sidewalker
Somehow...

Oh there most definitely was a "how" that it happened.
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@Best.Korea
I can understand a person wanting to live like a Luddite for the connection with the natural world.....but they lose me when they try to explain that lifestyle is to equalize outcomes. Not everyone wants to live like Grizzly Adams.
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@Best.Korea
true.
Being a Luddite might seem edgy for a while, but everyone eventually outgrows that phase.
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@WyIted
That manufactured war also kept the poor whites in line during the 1800's
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@WyIted
I find it very amusing Badger is accusing others of being "racial puppets" for the powerful elites.
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@WyIted
Racism has always been the scapegoat of the bourgeoisie.


Racism is the classic tool of division used by the bourgeoisie, the ruling class, to distract the working masses from the deeper, more pressing issues of class inequality and economic exploitation. It's how the powerful elites maintain control by preventing solidarity among working-class people of all races, thereby keeping them focused on superficial divisions rather than the shared economic struggles they face due to the concentration of wealth and power. It deflects attention from the systemic corruption and economic systems (the things Doge is working to dismantle) that disproportionately benefit the few while keeping the many in poverty.

The Bourgeoisie class makes sure that the working class spends all their valuable time and effort directing their anger and frustration toward one another, rather than uniting against the true cause of their suffering: the corrupt system itself. This manufactured war is what keeps the status quo  in place, with the elite benefiting from both economic and racial divisions. We saw this with the whole ESG bullshit.

Racism is the pervasive scapegoat that perpetuates the power dynamics that allow the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay oppressed, all while diverting attention from the genuine structural issues like crony regulations and crony capitalism. That scapegoat is currently on life support as the American society moves to reject that narrative.

It really doesn't matter if the preferred skin color was white 50 years ago or black today, the point is to continue the manufactured war to sustain the current system.
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