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@Best.Korea
If division of power fails, one should work to establish it again.
Hence Balkanization.
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@Best.Korea
the division of power
There is no division of power. The lobbyists control and write every page of legislation, especially legislation 5000 pages long.
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@Best.Korea
and gets all the blame.
Never happens. The federal government is about as accountable as a 19 year old American woman.
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@thett3
I agree, there won't be a violent civil war, but it's likely a balkanization of USA will happen when the dollar collapses under the incompetency of Washington DC.
It's highly likely the USA will experience what the old Soviet Union experienced in the 80's. California alone already has a strong political balkanization movement.
Tim Draper indicated that the initiative was motivated by the belief that California is ungovernable as is with legislature unable to keep up on issues in all the state's regions, especially in areas such as job creation, education, affordable housing, and water and transportation infrastructure. Furthermore, he believed that the current state government is getting out of touch with the people of California. According to Draper, splitting up the state would allow the resulting new state governments to be closer to their people than the current California state government
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@Wylted
East Ukrainians execute prisoners in violation of global war protocols.
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@thett3
I really don't see a civil war between the political parties, rather a split from the neo con/lib uniparty rule.
I kind of see a similar outcome to what happened to Russia in the 80's where the central planners in Moscow declared bankruptcy, and then allowed people to choose balkanization. How many more years do you think the pentagon will get away with losing 2 trillion dollars?
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@Sidewalker
Great, we like none of the above. You pass the sanity test.
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@Sidewalker
I don't like Tromp anymore than you like Biden. You should join me in the non-partisan world.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'd be surprised at anyone who only gets their news from American corporate media.
Well maybe not so surprised.
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At least he did not demand 10 percent for the Big Guy.
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@Double_R
Again, this is a broad conversation about American politics.
Then why did you specifically limit the discussion to right wing racists on one side and then make an overbroad generalization of the "black community" on the other side?
Seems like you are projecting your own generalizations on what you think the "black community" is, because you came nowhere near proving the case that most people on the right normally think this way.
Most normal black people will read what you wrote and think you are a flaming racist for such overbroad and stereotypical generalizations about violence and gun control. Especially the ones in New York, your neighbors, as evidenced by the article I linked, who do not sympathize one bit about your egocentric gun control ideas on how to "make their lives better"
What sickens me is that gun control in most liberal cities is almost exclusively a middle-class white thing. And that alone speaks volumes on the exact racial perceptions originating from the highbrow leftists. But I guess that's to be expected in Democrat-run cities where the largest wealth gaps are visibly apparent along with class attitudes, a racial caste system, and the corresponding prejudices.
^^^ all these articles are accurate and support what I am saying here.
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@ILikePie5
Zelensky gets a room full of laughs for saying it is "never enough"
10 percent for the big guy of course.
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Kamala declares Africa to be a partner for global exploitation.
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@Double_R
They don't. The black community is the most supportive of any racial group in the US when it comes to stricter gun laws.
Again, you are wrong, dead wrong about this. Like I said before which you ignore at your own peril, Blacks living in suburbia Sacramento will poll much differently than Blacks in New York ghettos when it comes to guns. They are NOT a monolithic group. Black communities are diverse all across the country. Ignore this fact at your own peril.
And you Live in New York, so you really don't have much excuse to be this willfully ignorant about your own neighbors.
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I believe most of us have people close to us who are Democrats who we love very much. My wife's cats for example.
I agree. I am talking about Democrats far away in New York ghettos.
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@PREZ-HILTON
And if you were to be totally honest about it, the reason why red state people don't give a care about dead blacks in New York gangwars likely has nothing to do with skin color.
If they were being totally honest, "a good Democrat is a dead Democrat" would likely be the most prevalent sympathy.
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Personally, I think yes. I think if gun violence was more prevalent in the white community, there would be a lot more people for more gun control
That's absolutely not what happened to end the 1925 prohibition gang wars though. And that was almost exclusively a spike of white people with guns killing white people.
This is an unfounded opinion.
I encourage you to reread post 75.
While gun control enthusiasts worked to ban the tommy-gun, by the time it was enacted(around 1936), the gangs were already all but gone due to the reasons I listed in post 75.
The main reason why the ban occurred was because most law abiding whites never used a tommy gun for protection. Since there was no pushback, the gun could be banned with much support. In United States vs Miller (1939), the opinion read as "if only outlaws use this gun, we should probably outlaw it."
There's no way law abiding blacks would ever support confiscation of the glock-19, the most common gun used by both black gangs and law abiding blacks.
Ever.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It's about whether 2nd amendment "enthusiasts" have an easy time ignoring gun control arguments because it is typically not something that effects their communities.
What exactly do you think will happen when the gun-control "enthusiasts" start confiscating guns from people who live in black communities?
Let's go down that rabbit hole if, for some reason, gun controllers get everything they want.
My point is whether or not 2nd A "enthusiasts" ignore what's going on in the communities is irrelevant if it also so happens to be what the people in Black communities want anyway.
I am reminded of a famous quote from a historical leader on this :
The American people have always been anxious to know what they shall do with us. Gen. Banks was distressed with solicitude as to what he should do with the Negro. Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, “What shall we do with the Negro?” I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature’s plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don’t disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,—your interference is doing him a positive injury. Gen. Banks’ “preparation” is of a piece with this attempt to prop up the Negro. Let him fall if he cannot stand alone! If the Negro cannot live by the line of eternal justice, so beautifully pictured to you in the illustration used by Mr. Phillips, the fault will not be yours, it will be his who made the Negro, and established that line for his government. [Applause.] Let him live or die by that. If you will only untie his hands, and give him a chance, I think he will live. He will work as readily for himself as the white man. A great many delusions have been swept away by this war. One was, that the Negro would not work; he has proved his ability to work. Another was, that the Negro would not fight; that he possessed only the most sheepish attributes of humanity; was a perfect lamb, or an “Uncle Tom;” disposed to take off his coat whenever required, fold his hands, and be whipped by anybody who wanted to whip him. But the war has proved that there is a great deal of human nature in the Negro, and that “he will fight,” as Mr. Quincy, our President, said, in earlier days than these, “when there is reasonable probability of his whipping anybody.” [Laughter and applause.]
(1865) -FREDERICK DOUGLASS
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@Yassine
well i'd say 2/3 of the country mostly in big cities probably sides with the neolibs and the neocons... so that faction would want to become like China or Russia ... the other 1/3 of the population are border states and rural states which would confederate like the EU.
Probably not half and half.
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@Yassine
I suspect the divide would be along the lines of one faction under a fully centralized government similar to present day Russia or China and the other half of the country would choose a confederation of free states similar to the EU.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Of course they prefer union...
Just ask the 600,000 dead Americans in 1865 what they preferred!
With current population levels, the next one should net 6 million killed. Fun!
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will create maximum freedom
What about the freedom to create a corrupt government?
Will AI allow that?
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@sadolite
Trumpwins law. Any online discussion will inevitably descend into trump derangement.
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@TWS1405_2
Just think how close Jussie Smollett came to getting the ultimate achievement in America.
A professional victim hero.
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@TWS1405_2
Becoming a victim is the highest achievement today.
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@ILikePie5
Kinda weird Democrats create SALT to avoid taxes. Thought Democrats loved to pay extra taxes. To set an example of course.
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@Double_R
This point is important because it points to the overly simplistic and even childish worldview many hold, where nuance is dismissed and the trials and tribulations people go through to make it in this world are dismissed outright.
The only childish worldview in this thread are the people dismissing the very prevalent black democrats in high crime areas that are also pro gun because of a long history of Jim Crow gun confiscation. Ignore this fact at your own peril as you push your "woke anti-gun narrative" because it will be yet another reason for blacks to give up on the short-sighted democrat party.
Just because a bunch of white educated limousine liberals don't like the smell from across the tracks doesn't mean you have to throw everyone under the bus...
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@PREZ-HILTON
Give me a break man....let's see if you can parse this statement out to anything coherent.
"What I’m implying is that much of the political right’s opposition to gun control laws stems from an overly simplistic world view where everyone is either a good guy or a bad guy... in order to maintain this world view one would have to accept the notion that those communities facing serious challenges with gun violence (like the black community) are ultimately filled with “bad guys"
In one sentence he says EVERYONE is a good and bad guy (that's all places and all races), and then inexplicably states a ridiculous non-sequitur that at the same time, only black communities are filled with bad guys....just throws it out there for no fucking reason.
The entire premise is illogical and absurd. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. It's not even proving anything, only throwing the race card around haphazardly.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and tell me what I missed in that statement.
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@ILikePie5
When you believe Democrats can do no wrong, you can be assured that they will.
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@RationalMadman
Not after the civil war. Did you support the civil war where civilians were killed for being ethnically Russian in the Donbas by mostly fascist groups?
I didn't. There are no leaders, only people getting killed over oil. Fuck war. Fuck you.
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@RationalMadman
Both the leaders can go to hell. The Donbas people deserve freedom, not endless war fueled by oligarchs fighting over global oil.
Where the hell were you in 2014 when Western Ukraine was violating human rights by launching Artillery shells into civilian homes?
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@PREZ-HILTON
But America does not believe in Democracy, only guns and bombs.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'm pro Eastern Ukraine. The west can go to hell. Slava Donbas.
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but when you step back and look at the national conversation, you look at who benefits and who loses from our unwillingness to do anything about gun safety in America.
The people who directly benefit from gun violence are generational Democrat leaders ruling unopposed in New York and Chicago for decades because race -baiting is a proven way to win elections. As long as blacks are suffering, there is a race card to be played. It's a game over 50 years in the making; securing a Democrat dynasty in those cities. Crime is a perpetual wedge election issue no Democrat leader benefits by solving them, not when there are imaginary armies of Klansmen to herd people to the polls and secure unobstructed power.
The proof is 50 years of more of the same, heading to another 50 more.
These people have absolutely benefitted. No question. And as long as the people tolerate race-baiting, there's no benefit to solve anything.
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@Double_R
I've already explained in detail what my goal is,
So no comment on supporting Jim Crow laws by confiscating guns. Didn't expect you to reply to that TBH.
it's an overview of American politics and the ideas that are prevalent within it.
Such as supporting a key feature of Jim Crow laws and the seeming regression of the left by creating policies to disenfranchise Blacks of their constitutional right to defend themselves....
To which I would assume you should stay silent on this part of the discussion if you want to keep your position you stated in your OP coherent.
Just concede this point and move on to whatever agenda you want to push here.
Yes,
So yes, you were surprised. I wasn't
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@Athias
And yet another sketchy sticking point...
President Andrew Johnson, encouraged the "reconstructed" Southern states of Alabama, North Carolina, and Georgia to agree to ratify, which brought the count to 27 states, leading to its adoption before the end of 1865.
It's possible any of the reconstructed states could also today bring a case before the Supreme Court that they were pressured to ratify in order to receive "reconstruction."
Like Capt. America said, "I can do this all day."
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@Athias
Fun fact: Lincoln's Corwin Amendment can technically be ratified today, making slavery constitutionally legal in America...
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@ILikePie5
He ran in a Biden+8 district...
Well now, it all makes sense. There are definitely lizards involved here.
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@Athias
The only logical response is to stop taking orders and to start giving them.
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@Athias
When government is historically and objectively incompetent, getting nothing done is a major benefit to society on the whole.
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@ILikePie5
I’m going to start a fund to buy black people AR-15s. I think every black person in America should have an AR-15 and open carry the rifle as much as possible.
Maybe if they started identifying as Ukrainian then they can protect themselves with free guns.
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@ILikePie5
Also, according to Roosy (or HB as some think he is) I am a Dior.
Or a member of the elite French fashionistas.
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@ILikePie5
Gotta love foreign royalty.
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@PREZ-HILTON
After Santos was elected to Congress, and before he took office, reporting by The New York Times and later other news outlets revealed significant issues with Santos' biographical claims.
Honestly, I thought the discussion was about to turn full speed in the direction of lizards when I read that.
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@Double_R
I think part of what's stopping much of the country from being more sympathetic to gun control arguments is ultimately rooted in racism for the reasons I've laid out in detail. I'm just curious what people have to say to it.
Would it surprise you to discover many law abiding Blacks in diverse and distinct communities both rural and urban very much want to keep their guns?
Given that, don't you think a much stronger case could be made that laws that take guns away from Blacks could be construed as racist? It was actually part of the Jim Crow laws after all.
Knowing this, does this make you more sympathetic to law abiding Black gun owners?
Genuinely curious if you can allow your mind to make that flip.
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@thett3
We really should be approaching modern Urban gun violence the exact same way we dealt with it in 1925. Arm the police to the teeth. Kneecap the laws that make it possible for violent Black gangs to operate unhindered. Destroy the sources of income. Go after the people in government positions that are protecting Black gangs.
The solution is already there.
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@thett3
I think if we had accurate murder data back in 1925, the odds of encountering gun violence from an Irish or Italian in New York back then would have been mind-blowing.
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