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@PREZ-HILTON
At the height of the gangland prohibition wars, white and black Americans learned to be careful around Italians. Is that racist?
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@bmdrocks21
Depending on your definition of "gun violence"
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@Double_R
Wow GP, your absurdity had reached a new low. That's impressive.
It is impressive when a secluded white person can't make a distinction between urban black communities and rural ones.
That kind of diversity is forever out of reach and elusive.
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@Sidewalker
I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess you don't like twisted sister.
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Neat boxes, you mean like "right brain thinkers" and "left brain thinkers", that kind of neat box?
Going to go out on a limb and say the words "many" and "Predominantly" are not in your vocabulary.
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@PREZ-HILTON
The solution to civilian gun violence is government gun violence.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'd suggest the same approach whites did with the prohibition gangs. No gun control was necessary.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Details matter.
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@YouFound_Lxam
George Washington was the first president, and the one who decided that presidents should only serve two terms.Abraham Lincoln was the president who abolished slavery.
That is not correct.
FDR's tyranny created the 2 term rule. Not Washington.
Lincoln was 3 months into becoming worm food when Slavery officially became illegal and the 13th amendment became the law of the land.
President Johnson used his power as the Chief Executive to force Southern states to ratify the amendment as part of his Reconstruction policy on December 6, 1865.
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@ILikePie5
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@RationalMadman
ill have to do some research into the candidates.
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@Athias
There is so much emphasis on the tragedy of the native Indians being conquered and subjugated, that we are made to forget the Americans that endured similar treatment at the hands of other Americans.
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@Athias
Mind you, most historians agree that Lincoln directly ordered Seward to make it happen by any means necessary giving Lincoln plausible deniability.
What occurred later was a few bribes and some patronage appointments including an ambassadorship to a Democrat lame duck senator.
This is what is meant by "democracy" and "the will of the people"
One thing about Lincoln that is widely misunderstood is that he saw abolition as a tactical means to preserve the union as the war dragged on, and he did not justify strategically conducting the civil war as a means to end slavery at ALL, under any metric, at any time.
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery,”
“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.”
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@Athias
I could go into great detail the amount of corruption and bribery that went on to make the 13th amendment happen, but suspect it would offend most indoctrinated people.
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@ILikePie5
Do you remember Historybuff?
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@Athias
Evidence of bribes and the abstention of many Southern States are commonly claimed as vital to this victory, not the words of a Republican President. It is quite ironic that one of America’s most important pieces of freedom and civil rights legislation was only made possible through corruption and an undemocratic vote but that is how the sausage is made in America.
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Kind of rare to see a Democrat twist history to praise a Republican president.
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I fully support the Democrat party re-branding itself as anti-white.
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@SammiBoi
Reminds me of that Yogi Berra quote:
"Baseball is 90% mental and the other half is physical."
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@bmdrocks21
Most of these monolithic assumptions such as the OP originate from people living in large concentrated urban areas like Chicago and New York, where they never encounter ANY diverse groups of people of color outside of that limitation.
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@Sidewalker
in 1984, Dee Snyder exposed the hypocrisy of that statement in a congressional hearing.
Regardless of how you feel about the political parties, you should really watch this.
Dee Snyder exposed the rhetoric of "know it when you see it" to be simply "seeing what you want to see"
And if that isn't the heart and soul of racism, then nothing is.
I would also urge you to re-read my post about the fundamental disagreement with the OP (#24)
There are a significant portion of people who are predominantly right brain thinkers (creative thinkers) that are literally unable to process people into monolithic singular groups as the OP asserts. For creative thinkers, racism isn't even possible. There are no neat boxes to put people in as left brain thinkers are able to do.
For many left brain thinkers, those boxes must be constructed by right brain thinkers. It's highly unfortunate then that too many people find a profit in creating a world the polar opposite to the one MLK envisioned, and then teach those boxes to kids in school who don't know any better.
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@ebuc
What a proud used car owner. beep beep!
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@Sidewalker
but I know it when I see it.
That's the ultimate racist comment in this thread.
When people feel relaxed, they tell on themselves.
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@Athias
Imagine a white person liking a group of blacks that tolerates white people while also disliking a completely different group of blacks that hates white people.....unfathomable!
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@ebuc
lol, you did ha
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@Reece101
Same thing the neo-libs want to protect.
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@Double_R
most people don’t.
This is where we fundamentally disagree. Most people are generally not nearly as simple minded as you believe. And I think you know this with your "Black friend argument" admission, but you choose to conveniently ignore it in your extremely flimsy steelman construct.
Perhaps assuming monolithic thought allows for an even more casual dismissal of diverse thought than would otherwise be tolerated?
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@Double_R
I'm not claiming blue no matter who is a large group. Perhaps around 25% of Biden's base is the floor for his approval ratings regardless of any neo-lib agenda he rams through.
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a low opinion of black people as a group.
But realty is a lot more complex. There are actually a great many diverse groups of black communities, all with different values and prejudices.
And opinions can vary wildly between these diverse groups. Why would you assume "a group" as if there can only exist a singular monolithic group?
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I’ve laid out for you step by step how we get from the starting point to the end point. If this is too complicated for you feel free to inquire further so I can help you understand it.
I'm just wondering why your start and end point is racism when steelmanning a diverse thought. Don't you have any originality?
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@Athias
Lincoln did not free the slaves.
Amazing how Juneteenth is still celebrated instead of December 6, 1865....
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@Athias
I expected more from a History Buff.
Aha! welcome back HB
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@Double_R
to better understand why certain positions are as prevalent as they are within our society.
No offense, but you are doing a shitacular job at steelmanning the side you don't like in order to "better understand"
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@Double_R
one would have to accept the notion that those communities facing serious challenges with gun violence (like the black community) are ultimately filled with “bad guys”, and that this then explains the problem.
Really don't understand where you are pulling this one out from. Plenty of good blacks have stopped murderous blacks in New York or Chicago.
source something maybe that proves any group feels that way? I mean it's really easy to flip racism around with no care, but this one is really wild.
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@Double_R
Blue no matter who is a response to the nomination of Donald Trump as the republican candidate.
I disagree. There have been a hell of a lot of lemons on the ballot with a D before Trump that had significant support with very little campaigning.
Blue no matter who didn't start in 2016 and end in 2020.
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@ebuc
Just admit you like Biden.
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Just in case you haven't donated enough. Here's your sign.
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How taxes work? Right now they work to move money from the middle to the poor and the wealthy.
Just the wealthy. In DC.
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I never suggested nor implied such a thing. Next time, try absorbing the point before reflexively responding to it.
What you are implying is that the gun violence is allowed to happen in places like Chicago and New York because racist people want blacks to kill themselves.
I have never heard of the constituents of those cities claim anyone responsible for policy, especially the mayors, were racist for failing to do much about the violence.
Honestly, I don't know what facts you are using to back up your opinion.
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@Double_R
If white neighborhoods were plagued by gun violence...
Oh, you mean like in the prohibition era? Wonder what those racist whities did to fix that problem? Pretty sure it wasn't ever described as a racist solution in any history book.
But yeah, just keep on thinking that a random Black person in America today is 8 times more likely to pull a gun out and kill someone than a random white person according to FBI data: Keep thinking the FBI is racist for stating that fact. Maybe the head in the sand approach is the most effective solution to gun violence merely by being the least racist solution.
I mean look at New York and Chicago. Those polices addressing gun violence are certainly near racist free.
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@Double_R
Whatever reality is most comfortable, just repeat it three times and it will be so.
I don't hear you supporting Biden either, but I will bet you voted for him.
But sure, it’s the blue voters who are easy to fool.
I didn't say that. I said the blue no matter who crowd.
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@Athias
Bingo. The government needs more votes of no-confidence.
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@YouFound_Lxam
He probably bought one of Hunter Biden's collector paintings.
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@Dr.Franklin
Liberalism is a completely materialistic ideology, everything must be commodified for the good of the economy. It's the reason why both parties agree that we must import hundreds of thousands of immigrants because of "muh economy",
This is neo-liberalism, or in the common vernacular: "Establishment Democrats."
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@Public-Choice
On anti-establishment government protesters:
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
― H.L. Mencken
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@FLRW
As your favorite philosopher Mencken said, "Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under"
I will assume you are a decent man and don't support the current BS.
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@FLRW
Biden is smart?
Guess you have to be pretty smart as the son of a used car salesman to sugarcoat the BS sold over the past 2 years.
Well, at least it's not too hard to fool the blue no matter who crowd. I'd say average intelligence for that feat.
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@Castin
It's possible he might be worried about his pilot, or people using his plane when he isn't. But I guess when people have one track minds, there are only singular conclusions.
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@TWS1405_2
FBI is busy right now investigating itself for the laptop censorship. Pretty sure the FBI is a little too busy to worry about this.
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Just admit you voted for Biden.
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