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@Savant
If it's an inalienable right, you don't grant it.
It's objectively not. A John Lockean natural right to free speech can only exist within an enlightened culture. If you apply that idea to a culture that rejects rights like free speech, it's no longer natural, but granted.
Does free speech include the right to oppose free speech? Why wouldn't it?
Because then the country is gone. Replaced by a culture that grants no rights. Suicide pact.
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@Savant
What's the point in granting free speech to a culture that wants to ban free speech? That's a suicide pact you are describing.
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@Savant
I notice you quoted me, and then provided not a single word addressing or resembling "cultural"
You drop all contention?
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@AdaptableRatman
Correct, in the UK, at least one parent is responsible for assimilating the child. Hence the blood connection to the soil.
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Birthright Citizenship was upheld by the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898.
In that decision, the court borrowed heavily with old English law regarding Scotsmen and English lands.
The British Nationality Act of 1981 officially ended birthright in the UK when they realized anchor babies were not just Scotsmen born in English lands, rather, it was creating incentives to bring in people who had no blood connection to the soil and thus forcing UK government to take on the burden of assimilating the anchor babies as the parents would be unable to do so.
45 years later, America still thinks it's a good idea to have millions of babies with no path to real assimilation.
This disconnects legal status from cultural integration. A child born here becomes a citizen, but if their parents aren’t part of the cultural or linguistic fabric of the country, then assimilation doesn’t happen naturally. Schools, welfare programs, and local governments become the stand-ins for that missing link, and from my own experience plus available data, they’re just not built to raise citizens from scratch.
This also undermines national cohesion. Citizenship should imply a cultural bond, shared values, shared language, shared obligations, priorities on liberty etc. When the government hands out citizenship automatically with no expectation of integration, you eventually get a patchwork society where people live in America but not as Americans. And when a critical number of de-facto non-Americans populate America, it turns from a cultural melting pot into a balkanized buffet.
Thoughts?
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@FLRW
I bet you wish you were around to give the Wampanoag Molotov cocktails and taught them how to properly gaslight the Pilgrims.
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@Swagnarok
It's the new definition of gaslighting. Literally setting cars on fire with gas bombs. Thank you MSM for not making it clear you were a parody of anything decent.
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@Double_R
I can just imagine those expert gaslighters choosing to blow through a border checkpoint and then scream at Border Patrol about how they didn't commit a crime.
If someone drives through a U.S. border checkpoint without stopping, they’re potentially facing two separate federal crimes. First, under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, entering the United States without going through proper inspection is a criminal misdemeanor, punishable by up to 6 months in prison and fines. That law applies whether you cross on foot or in a vehicle.
If you bypass inspection, you’ve committed a crime.
You’re also violating 18 U.S.C. § 758, which makes it a felony to flee from an immigration checkpoint in a motor vehicle while exceeding the speed limit. That charge can carry up to 5 years in federal prison. So not only is the initial illegal entry a crime, but the act of fleeing the checkpoint escalates the situation significantly and will land someone with felony charges.
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@Double_R
It's a civil violation genius, not a criminal violation.
That is CNN expert gaslighting. The only civil infraction is if you overstay a visa. Every other infraction is a crime. In both cases, deportation is the resolution, although you can immediately be arrested for fence hopping. When someone says, “It’s only a misdemeanor, not a crime,” they’re either ignorant or intentionally misleading about what goes on the criminal record and what the due process of deportation is.
This is exactly why we have been telling you for years to stop listening to highly paid experts and think for yourself. Read a book.
The idea that criminals are hiding in schools and churches is just stupid.
Tell that to Hamas. Badumtiss.
this is about ensuring that all undocumented people in this country live in fear.
Visa overstays are well documented. CNN experts are lying to you. When paid CNN experts tell you “it’s just a civil issue,” what they’re really doing is downplaying due process enforcement to protect an open-borders narrative. That’s not analysis. That’s lying to promote an economic agenda.
this isn't how you would go about it.
This is exactly how you go about it. You follow the law, not your bank statement.
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@Savant
You didn't, the CNN expert gaslighters do.
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@Savant
Sure, illegal immigration is a civil violation,
Lol, only visa overstays are considered civil, and the penalty is the same as breaking and entering across the border....deportation.
People with no visas are absolutely criminals when they avoid border checkpoints.
Saying "we can't deport a visa overstayer because it's civil" is like saying a hotel can't kick out a guest who stayed past checkout because they didn’t commit a crime. Like... what?
Sure. You're not facing jail time for hogging the continental breakfast, but you’re still getting kicked out, and if you resist, things escalate real quick. Same with immigration: civil or not, you're removable. The only reason it's not instant is because of red tape, not some magical shield from consequences.
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@WyIted
“Sir, you can’t detain me! I’ve been advised by CNN experts that this isn’t a crime!”
Meanwhile, the Border Patrol’s just standing there like, “Okay, well... you’re still going in the truck.”
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@WyIted
Remember when the experts assured us that crossing the border illegally was not a crime?
In my state, if you get caught driving without a license, you can go to jail for your 1st offense. That's far worse than a free bus ticket back home.
I can just imagine those expert gaslighters choosing to blow through a border checkpoint and then scream at Border Patrol about how they didn't commit a crime.
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@Castin
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@LucyStarfire
Some people have hate in their hearts.
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@FLRW
👽💀👽💀It's only meaningless and obfuscated for a Democrat that listens to experts on what to do with their lives.👽💀👽💀
Perhaps the Aliens will be their new experts?
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@WyIted
Just straight up: if you rely on experts to form logical thoughts, then your mind is on the level of a child's. Indoctrination by experts is a test against IQ, not for it.
To people who lack basic IQ skills to parse raw data, everyone must seem like an expert.
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@Sidewalker
Don't tell me, let me guess, it's a conspiracy, fake news, and cover-up.
Musk lost $34 billion, Trump lost $1.1 billion, it's a very expensive "pretend" fight.
Lol that's cute.
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@Savant
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@FLRW
It was well stated.
MAGA wouldn't exist if not for the dumb and evil on the left. There was a time when the Democrat party in 1990 looked almost exactly like MAGA today.
Trump may not be the Bill Clinton we wanted, but he is the one Americans need.
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@Double_R
The test has absolutely nothing to do with how often you think about Trump. It's about whether you practice basic critical thinking and can recognize when someone is so obviously bullshitting you.
Like... when you claim the entire nation is dumber when you already agreed most of America is smarter than you for never wasting a minute thinking about Trump during an average day.
That bullshit test?
Saying “the entire nation is dumber" because of one guy is pure emotional hyperbolic overreach, and ironically, it proves to everyone a lack of critical thinking. It’s like yelling “this ruins THE ENTIRE PLANET” over some guy pissing in the ocean. You can’t pretend convincingly to be the voice of reason while frothing at the mouth like that. A dial back is in order here. Trust me bro, there are plenty of people smarter than you and they got even smarter after Trump got elected. Mostly because they never chose to let their obsession over one man get in the way of their self-development.
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@LucyStarfire
Well said there, but people like crime now anyway. Average American commits 3 crimes per day.
Let's hope 2000 troops will stop the evil.
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@WyIted
At least he got one thing right, it's nowhere near equal on the left. Trump just had to send in the national guard to suppress an insurrection in LA.
Why do you struggle with the simple concept of "just don't be evil"?
He's in a cult.
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@Double_R
This is the single biggest reason why I so fervently despise Trump - because he quite literally makes the entire nation dumber
Fun fact, the vast majority of Americans never think about Trump the entire day. That makes them loads smarter than the people who do.
That's what being in a cult looks like.
You clearly haven't thought that through.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you want an example of someone Trump has no use for, the best example is Lindsey Graham for 4 main reasons:
1. No crowd appeal – He doesn’t energize or polarize. Audiences don’t care when he talks. He isn't useful as an ally or a foil.
2. No policy impact – He doesn’t meaningfully help or hurt Trump’s agenda. Just noise.
3. No strategic value – He’s not sharp enough to advise, scheme, or innovate.
4. Career politician baggage – He lives in the swamp as a career politician, like McCain or McConnell, outdated and replaceable.
In Trump's world, getting ignored is the actual shitlist.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Trump's been a professional fighter promoter many more years than he was president. It's the same game.
He doesn’t look at Musk or JD Vance or DeSantis or CNN or Vivek or even Rubio as enemies so much as opponents in the ring. Drama builds hype. Hype drives attention. Attention is currency. And Trump’s been trading in that manufactured hype since the '80s. The presidency was just his highest-profile venue, not a brand-new Trump.
What people miss is that every feud is fueled with showmanship. The insults, the nicknames, the walkouts.. C'mon dude, it's WrestleMania with USA policy sprinkled on top. He’s not looking to destroy; he’s looking to make headlines. This has been going on since Rosie O'Donnell.
Hell, his rally intros are basically WWE entrance music sans pyrotechnics.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Dude, pro tv wrestling isn't real, and neither is this.
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@Double_R
Slippery slope nonsense.That's how the justice system works.
Pick a stance dude, lol. The public is tired of the "if we do it, it's good, when they do the same thing it is evil"
Just stand up for evil against both sides instead of worshipping one evil cult over the other.
This is exactly why your favorite corporate media millionaire can't sell any "tell-all" books. The public is done with the cult-like hypocrisy.
Deplorable.
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@LucyStarfire
Most young people can't support themselves. That's why they are pissed at the coddle party.
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@LucyStarfire
Cool, call young people gay. Same as the old strategy.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
This is the new strategy of the far left: To attack any young person so much that they will be too afraid to not support the radical left.
Same as the old strategy.
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@Sidewalker
I don't speak dumbass, so you tell me...
the sum of a person is never one thing. You of all people should know that.
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@WyIted
LBJ promised a “Great Society,” but what we got was the slow death of the American Dream. His policies didn’t eliminate poverty, they institutionalized and codified it. Instead of empowering people to reach their dreams, they created generational dependency on the state. The cost of living exploded under the weight of regulation, while wages stagnated and the nuclear family, once the backbone of American society, collapsed. Fatherlessness, crime, and hopelessness rose where purpose and pride used to be. We didn’t solve injustice, we replaced personal responsibility and the family with a permanent bureaucracy with its own self-serving version of justice. The “Great Society” didn’t build greatness. It subsidized decline.
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@WyIted
punishing law firms for defending clients the president doesn't like, locking up students for writing op eds the president finds unfavorable, andHaven't heard about this
Disgraced and disbarred evil Fani Willis literally brought RICO charges against Trump lawyers. There's zero equivocation.
This isn’t just about Trump or Fani. When lawyers fear prosecution for defending unpopular clients, and students risk legal trouble for writing controversial opinions, it creates a chilling effect. People stop speaking, stop defending, stop engaging, stop fighting government oppression. That’s fear-based compliance.
So yes, zero tolerance on false equivocations is fair here. Even if you think Trump’s 2020 legal efforts were bad or baseless, criminalizing the legal strategies of his defense team set a dangerous and evil precedent.
If this became the new standard, every losing political campaign would end with prison time for lawyers. That’s not how a free society works.
In fact, it just makes it that much more impossible for anyone on the left to claw back freedoms from the government when the tables turn.
Stop equivocating
Stop defending evil
Start calling out evil
There is no such animal as a benevolent Marxist. Don't try to make a pet out of a wild animal.
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@Double_R
Then stop defending it
lol, equivocation will never save Marxist tyranny from the outrage of Americans. Game over man.
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@Sir.Lancelot
This is becoming increasingly common, with ex-leftists joining and identifying as right-wing. Destiny claims it is because the right plays the game politically while the left doesn’t.The “playing politics” tactic is coalition-building. He explains that the right have a lower standard for entry, while the left are quick to socially exile or excommunicate someone whose values fall short.Which is why their community may not recognize a former right-wing as one of their own because they are trying to maintain a certain level of purity. (This is what he means, even if he says he hates the word ‘purity.)(Destiny is also a bad person that doesn’t deserve a platform, but that’s a different subject.)But would you agree that Destiny’s take on this is accurate or inaccurate?(Can’t find the video by googling the title, but it popped up the other day)
Occam's Razor suggests something far more simple.
Today's Republican has the exact positions as a 1990's Democrat. In fact, Trump had, and still has, far more in common with Bill Clinton than any traditional Republican. They didn't leave the left. It left them. In reality, only the labels switched, the people stayed the same.
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@Sidewalker
That seals it. June is now Trump pride month. No targeted oppressed identity is more depraved.
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I
was there. June 6th, 1944. D-Day. Yeah. I landed with the 29th Infantry Division in the first wave at Omaha Beach. Our job was to clear the way of obstacles for DD Tanks, so we could punch through and get everyone out of there. Well, we landed, and we were immediately hit by mortar and machine gun fire that tore us to pieces. I can still see it in my dreams. The one thing that really stuck out to me in the early morning hours of June 6th, 1944. I looked around at my brothers in arms and suddenly realized there was absolutely no trans representation. My best friend was lying there dead. His body was full of holes from an MG 40 to a machine gun. Up there on the hill. Biological male. Big surprise. Three others from our platoon never made it out of the Higgins boat. Mortar round. Boom! Again, three more biological males. A captain was decapitated by another mortar round. Yeah. Yeah, you guessed it. Another biological male. I am so ashamed. In hindsight, this was the reality of America in 1944. You mean to tell me they couldn't go out and find some trans men or trans women so as to make the largest amphibious invasion in history? You know, they didn't even try. In the trenches, in the on the hedgerows, you know that there was a lot of guy talk talking about how much we missed the dames back home. They say boys will be boys, but maybe they won't be. Maybe they'll be dames one day. I realize that now.
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@LucyStarfire
Or care about what you think about informing.
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@LucyStarfire
Good, nobody cares. That was the intent.
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@WyIted
In fact, China and America currently teach 2 vastly versions of ethnocentric history. While America focuses almost exclusively on how much it's an evil nation with slavery and unequal civil rights, China is busy making sure their kids know about external betrayal. How the West humiliated their nation, weakened their sovereignty, and forced addiction and subservience through gunboat diplomacy.
And that is a difference that matters. The U.S. narrative trains citizens to question their own past. The Chinese narrative trains citizens to never again allow foreign domination. So when China pushes for self-reliance, steals tech, tariffs the hell out of the US, builds redundant infrastructure, undercuts the US market through subsidies or currency manipulation, or talks about “reunifying” Taiwan, they see it as reclaiming strength lost in 1842. And when we dismiss tariffs or economic control as outdated, inefficient, or harming both sides, they see Americans as fools, repeating the very mistakes that made the Chinese victims in the first place 180 years ago. Where the Chinese were once forced to be addicted to Opium, now Americans willingly become addicted to cheap stuff at an enormous social cost.
Free marketers cheer the flow of cheap goods like it’s economic genius, but it’s just the broken window fallacy in disguise. Sure, there’s activity: things move, stuff sells, but no one counts the factories that never came back, the trades that died out, or the kids stuck in dead-end jobs because the future was offshored for a quick discount. Those are the hidden opportunity costs from breaking and fixing those windows. We saved a buck today by stealing ten from tomorrow's kids.
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@WyIted
If you enjoy history, you should read the Sparknotes version of the Opium wars and understand the true cost of losing economic independence. China still has not forgiven the West for that, and it is a big reason why they are currently our geopolitical rival. Revenge culture is strong in China.
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@MayCaesar
I see you ignored the point of not repeating the 2020 global supply disaster on critical goods. This leads me to believe you are not interested in debating in good faith.
You also ignored the point about American youth having no future prospects because we sacrificed stability for convenience. That cost goes far beyond your petty concerns over taxes.
Your analogy about hospitals isn't comparable. Hospitals aren't being offshored or imported from geopolitical rivals or frenemies with a record of hostile trade practices. We’re not slapping tariffs on harmless competition, we're correcting decades of offshoring that gutted decades of American industry. Tariffs aren’t about what's the most efficient solution. They’re about taking a dramatic step toward regaining economic independence. You can worship at the altar of cheap goods if you want, but don’t pretend that altar is free. 2020 proved the price of economic dependence is steep, and next time, it won’t just be toilet paper, microchips, or necessary pharmaceuticals that’s missing.
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@WyIted
It's a stupid example though. Men are supposed to take out. the. Trash.
How dare you talk about toxic masculinity with all those garbage toting norms the soy crowd has fought decades to eliminate....
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@FLRW
Imagine two gas stations across the street from each other. One gets hit with a 1¢ tax per gallon. Suddenly, more people go to the untaxed station, even though it’s just a penny difference. No one’s arguing over who pays the tax. The point is that the tax shifted the customer flow. That’s market share. The tax didn’t have to be huge. It just had to tilt the decision of the consumer.
Tariffs do the exact same thing in global trade. They don’t have to be big, they just have to nudge consumers toward domestic producers. Tariffs aren’t just about collecting money. That's just the stick. They’re about changing who wins the sale. That's the carrot. That shift in who buys and from where is the real power of a tariff.
It's not about anything other than determining what country has the market share of a good at a global level. Fairness or who pays is an afterthought.
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@MayCaesar
Again, these measures harm both economies:....
Exactly! that’s the point. When a so-called ally has been slapping you in the face for over 50 years while smiling and calling it friendship, ending that toxic relationship was never going to be painless. It’s not just economics, it’s basic relationship psychology.
The people wringing their hands over the tariff war remind me of the worried mother watching her son suddenly strike his friend. She's panicking, because she has never seen the conflict that was always there, hidden behind polite smiles and hollow trade deals. She thought they were friends. Her illusion was shattered. Her son knew better.
Thomas Sowell often says there are no economic solutions, only trade offs, and America sacrificed its role as a producer of goods along with economic security in 2020 when China showed us what will happen if we don't fight back against dependent suppliers of the critical goods we stopped manufacturing. The next Covid-like shutdown won't be nearly as kind if we don't fight back now.
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