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@HistoryBuff
That "Millions" estimate was thoroughly debunked as junk science. And the actual death numbers are in legitimate skeptical question over deaths FROM COVID vs deaths WITH COVID. Particularly the 2.2 million estimate was absolute bonkers science from "a guy" (Ferguson) who had a history of inflating predicted death numbers way over 1000% of the actual death numbers.
"When it came to dealing with an unexpected surge in infections and deaths from SARS‐CoV‐2 (the virus causing COVID-19 symptoms), federal and state policymakers understandably sought guidance from competing epidemiological computer models. On March 16, a 20‐page report from Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London quickly gathered enormous attention by producing enormous death estimates. Dr. Ferguson had previously publicized almost equally sensational death estimates from mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu."
Many of those numbers include comorbidity and some autopsies show people simply had Covid with no external symptoms. We won't know if these people would have died naturally without Covid this year until we see the annual death rate in January 2021. Regardless, it's not a reason to exercise this level of authoritarianism. I don't care where you fall on the political spectrum.
Not to mention flu-like deaths also had an unnatural spike from March-May due to retarded liberal policies forcing young people with COVID to live in retirement homes. Like that 20 year old Whitmer put in with a 70 year old where the 20 year old Covid patient beat the living shit out of the 70 year old. Retarded policies. Far more dangerous than the flu. Government literally killing off old people. It's no surprise that the states with the highest COVID deaths are the ones with Democrat Governors. The correlation is blatantly obvious. Retarded ass policies poorly crafted and based off of junk science from "trusted sources"
Even Cuomo has been under fire for that policy.
"Of the 44 hardest-hit congressional districts – the top 10% in terms of deaths – 41 are represented by Democrats, while three are represented by Republicans. These include the New York-area districts, as well as those in the Boston, Detroit and New Orleans metropolitan areas. The average death toll in each of these hardest-hit districts was 1,122 as of May 20."
"The next 100 hardest-hit districts, which represent the remainder of the top third of districts, with an average of 270 deaths, also are disproportionately represented by Democrats: 75 are represented by Democrats, 25 by Republicans."
COVID19 isn't my biggest worry. An authoritative technocrat is though. Remind me to never make plans to retire in a blue state for the next scamdemic. I value my life too much to have retarded governors and mayors placing infected people near me.
Pardon me while I pass on the panicjuice regarding the "serious nature" of this virus.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
it's almost like they have too much power right? it's almost like the people should have the power right?
Liberal: The government needs more power.
Also liberal: Government gives the police too much power.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
That person was placed in a retirement home because he had COVID. Crazy policies coming from Whitmer. If you are young and have COVID, go hang around dying people....
What madness.
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@HistoryBuff
if you can't understand why people don't want to be very, very sick and/or die..
That is not what I am saying.
I am pretty sure all 2.7 million Americans that died last year before Corona was discovered had fears of death at some point, but we did not shut the country down with an Authoritarian government. Our rights did not end where the fears of 2.7 million Americans began.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I just don't understand the complete authoritarian lockdown accompanied with wall to wall panic coverage when nature does what she always does culling the sick, the old, and the weak as she has done for a billion years. It's like people are not even aware 2.7 million people die naturally (and normally) every year in America.
What is so special about 2020 that makes the world immune from basic Darwinian principles?
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The overwhelming majority of cops are trash which is why there is a systemic problem.
Any job with authority while being shielded with a worker union is toxic.
That includes teachers.
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@ILikePie5
Most of those liberals have never had a violent moment in their life. They speak from ignorance.
I've experienced my fair share of violence, both from the criminal side and the police side.
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Face it, a black man chose to kneel and the right lost their shit and couldn't stop crying.
No, we didn't. We started voting Pro American politicians into office to counter that toxic culture.
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@HistoryBuff
There will always be bad actors in every group imaginable...
Except when CNN is discussing white cops.
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@ILikePie5
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@ILikePie5
Read this article.
It's absolutely jawdropping.
"But the increase was so insignificant as to render it statistically moot."
Absolutely no media outlet in the USA is putting these numbers into context with the normalized death rate in America.
The media and Government Authority needs to explain why a complete suspension of constitutional liberties is warranted for a single-digit percentage increase in yearly morbidity, or warranted for even a decimal increase in annual morbidity.
What happens if we discover the annual morbidity rate has actually decreased due to fewer people driving or going outdoors and engaging in risky lifestyle decisions?
Will that warrant a yearly government lockdown of the people to delay as many people as possible from inevitable death??
Absolutely none of these deaths are taken into context, as though the media wants to pretend there IS no normalized deathrate, and that all "COVID deaths" exist in a bubble.
I remember seeing a news clip where COVID deaths were lower than shooting deaths in Chicago. SMH.
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@ILikePie5
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@HistoryBuff
Even if your worst-case suggests 200k deaths form COVID, which is a highly suspect number considering all the cases of deaths reported WITH COVID being added to the numbers of death FROM COVID...
We are talking about an increase from 2.7 million to 2.87 million dead a year. That's a 4% increase in morbidity, and the country is supposed to go into a tailspin panic over that?
If we went from 2.7 to 2.6 million deaths per year, would the country suddenly embrace the new age of immortality? Obviously not. This whole thing reeks of manufactured outrage. Not to mention we have almost NO flu deaths indicating many of these people would have died from something else if not COVID this year.
People are outraged because WHO and people in the media told them to be outraged. This level of panic isn't universal across the globe. America has gone full crazy with the authoritarian lockdowns, mostly triggered by US corporate media with the wall to wall panicporn coverage.
Even if the numbers are fairly close to seasonal flu, Panicporn media certainly won't allow the public to know that as it will directly lead to a mob riot against authority for overreacting and the media itself for instigating the whole scam.
I heard some protesters actually smashed some windows out at CNN's headquarters. Your temple is under assault HB. Are you not concerned?
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@ILikePie5
@HistoryBuff
lol, Pretty sure 600-800k people don't die to Covid. HB is pulling numbers out of his CNN.
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@HistoryBuff
The risk of spreading a potentially fatal illness to my loved ones is absolutely not "fine".
Where's your yearly outrage over the flu deaths as people walk around spreading it to old people with co-morbidities? Oh yeah, CNN forgot to signal the right time for your outrage. Or did they?
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@ILikePie5
Fun fact.
While Trump was genociding .1 million Americans with Covid,
2.7 million Americans died EVERY YEAR under the Obama administration.
Obama killed lots of Americans. 27 times more. /endsnark
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@ILikePie5
Forgot about this one lol. What does Trump have against him? A case in 1970 where he didn’t have to admit that he was discriminating and instead had to read a piece of paper? Calling countries shitholes? What else? Saying there were fine people on both sides at Charlottesville?
"It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally..."
-DJ Trump
Worst racist ever.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
One man's death is another man's flatscreen.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Those racist whites just can't have a protest without looting and burning stuff.
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@ILikePie5
In an effort to demonstrate how much they want to “reopen the economy” (or perhaps how badly they hate social distancing and other protective measures in place to ensure people aren’t out here catching the coronavirus), some white folks across the U.S. are protesting outside in the middle of a pandemic with signs like this—calling for either liberty...or COVID-19.
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@ILikePie5
The presidential election isn't a nationwide popularity contest anyway. The President can lose California by 10 million votes and still win.
Many of the conservatives moving out of California are moving to swing states. Thank you Gavin Newsome.
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@HistoryBuff
You still haven't told me what a failed racist was.
Trump is by far a worse racist than Clayton Bigsby.
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@HistoryBuff
It's flawed because the government was in charge.
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@HistoryBuff
They just systematically undermined it guaranteeing that millions of people would fail to get healthcare.
Sure..
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@HistoryBuff
When everyone is a racist, noone is a racist.
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@ILikePie5
To the contrary. People still don’t know Joe as well compared to Trump because the media doesn’t cover Joe’s gaffes. When the ads come rolling along with the debates, Joe’s approvals aren’t gonna plummet and alienate Bernie bros who will stay home or vote Trump.
You're assuming Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter are not going to interfere in the election.
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@HistoryBuff
Was Trump a racist the 8 years he was a registered Democrat under the W. Bush Administration? I thought registered Democrats can't be racist.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
If you're a democrat you can do anything. Trump was a Democrat when he said that comment.
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@HistoryBuff
Obamacare was a republican plan ...
Pelosi drafted it while Republicans voted against it. What kind of fake news are you listening to?
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@ILikePie5
Isn't Minnesota a Blue State? And since when did Trump supporters give a crap about Soros funded "fact/opinion checkers/thoughtpolice"?
If anything, the scamdemic lockdown is going to piss off a ton of blue voters in authoritarian states as well as the swing states, leading to an increasing distrust of authoritarian media. (as if the Mueller scam wasn't enough)
I'm glad Twitter shot the first salvo at the President. Up to now, the liberal media industrial complex has been afraid and pretending they are not the resistance. No more guerilla tactics. It's out in the open now.
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@HistoryBuff
So Bill Clinton's excuse for not getting Blacks jobs in a booming economy is because he was aiding systemic racism? Sure whatever.
If you believe the systemic racism going on during the 90's was all the Brown illegal invaders getting preferred status for jobs over Black Americans, sure I guess I can go along with that systemic racism.
Cause you know skin color is a thing where national identity is not.
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@HistoryBuff
Trump inherited an economy on the rise where black unemployment was falling...
So what..more than 5 democratic presidents inherited economies where black unemployment was falling. What is the excuse?
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@ILikePie5
Politifact is paid to hear LAUREL
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@bmdrocks21
Had. Orange is the new white.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
This is a great read if you have the cerebral stamina and acumen to follow it.
It really focuses in on the fundamental differences on how a Big Government Technocrat and Trump operates, and what the results have been.
President Donald J. Trump established the policy of his Administration to regulate the United States financial system in a manner consistent with a set of Core Principles. These principles were set forth in Executive Order 13772 on February 3, 2017.
This Report is prepared by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, under the direction of Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin, in response to the Executive Order.
This Report, and subsequent Reports, will identify any laws, treaties, regulations, guidance, reporting and record-keeping requirements, and other Government policies that inhibit Federal regulation of the U.S. financial system in a manner consistent with the Core Principles.
The Core Principles are:
A. Empower Americans to make independent financial decisions and informed choices in the marketplace, save for retirement, and build individual wealth;
B. Prevent taxpayer-funded bailouts;
C. Foster economic growth and vibrant financial markets through more rigorous regulatory impact analysis that addresses systemic risk and market failures, such as moral hazard and information asymmetry;
D. Enable American companies to be competitive with foreign firms in domestic and foreign markets;
E. Advance American interests in international financial regulatory negotiations and meetings;
F. Make regulation efficient, effective, and appropriately tailored; and
G. Restore public accountability within Federal financial regulatory agencies and rationalize the Federal financial regulatory framework.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
For every 2 illegal invaders denied a job, one opens up for an American. Funny how that policy works.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Yeah, I just now saw his non-response explaining why FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton had booming economies, some more than Trump at some points, yet they were not able to replicate the Trump unemployment numbers at any point for Black Americans.
What do you have to lose indeed.
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@bmdrocks21
Trump is racist toward whites obviously.
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Here is a graph since you probably can't remember a democratic president before Obama.
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@HistoryBuff
Since at least the 70's. But probably his entire life.
Give me an example of a failed racist then. Someone who really, really sucks at being a racist.
America has seen booming economies under many Democrat Presidents, yet nowhere near the unemployment numbers for blacks that Trump was responsible for during his tenure.
Exactly how did those Democrat presidents fuck up where Trump succeeded? Let's hear the excuses.
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@HistoryBuff
Low unemployment is a result of a booming economy which he inherited at the start of his term.
America has seen booming economies under many Democrat Presidents, yet nowhere near the unemployment numbers for blacks that Trump was responsible for during his tenure.
Exactly how did those Democrat presidents fuck up where Trump succeeded? Let's hear the excuses.
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@HistoryBuff
trump has a very long history of racism. he is very, very good at it.
He has a 3-year recent history of being a terrible racist. Not a single Trump policy has hurt minorities.
There is nothing new that we have learned about Trump since he has become president. Trump has consistently been who he now is for more than forty years. These Black folks who now want to brand Trump as a racist didn’t seem to mind associating with him when he owned casinos; when he was one of the biggest boxing promoters in the world; when he flew them around on his private jets and helicopters, or when he invited them to appear on his “Apprentice” TV show. — (NNPA)
So, the question that I ask Black America and White liberals is this: When did Donald Trump suddenly become a racist? Before he entered the world of politics, he was branded as the life of the party; now that he is president, he is being branded as a racist.
Bill and Hillary Clinton were personal guests at Trump’s wedding to Melania in 2005 at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private members-only club in Palm Beach, Fla. Other notables at Trump’s wedding were: Shaquille O’Neal, Anna Wintour, Simon Cowell, Kelly Ripa, Katie Couric, and Russell Simmons.
For a racist, Trump seems to have a very eclectic group of friends from all walks of life.
An interesting point of fact is that Mar-a-Lago is located in Palm Beach, Florida, one of the wealthiest communities in the United States. Two of Mar-a-Lago’s competitors—the Palm Beach Bath and Tennis Club and The Everglades Club—have notoriously refused to admit Blacks. The Miami New Times reported that Hollywood legend Sammy Davis, Jr. was once kicked out of The Everglades Club, “because he was Black and Jewish.”
In comparison, according to a Complex.com listicle on the “25 Most Outrageously Exclusive Social Clubs in America” Trump’s Mar-a-lago club, doesn’t discriminate against anyone who can afford the $150,000 initiation fee and $7,000 in annual dues.
The Wall Street Journal reported that, in 1996, “Trump filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court in Palm Beach, alleging that the town was discriminating against Mar-a-Lago, in part because it is open to Jews and African Americans.”
The obvious answer to my question posed here is that Trump and his relationship with minorities is very complicated, but the lazy media keeps trying to proffer simplistic answers to a complicated issue.
When exactly did Trump become a racist?
The Rev. Jesse Jackson once praised Donald Trump for being a “friend” who embraced “the under-served communities.”
“We need your building skills, your gusto . . . for the people on Wall Street to represent diversity,” Jackson, a civil-rights leader, said at a Rainbow Push Coalition event in 1999.
And at a 1998 event in front of the same organization, Jackson said, “I now want to bring forth a friend — well, he is deceptive in that his social style is of such, one can miss his seriousness and commitment to success, which is beyond argument.
“When we opened this Wall Street project . . . He gave us space at 40 Wall Street, which was to make a statement about our having a presence there.”
Did he become a racist after 1999?
When exactly did Trump become a racist?
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@HistoryBuff
Pardon me while I choke back the hyperbole you just tried to shove down my throat.
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@HistoryBuff
Often that isn't their intention, but it is the outcome of their actions.
There is an overwhelming amount of documentation showing the rise in fatherless black households correlated to the rise in direct welfare payments to black mothers.
The famous social engineer Democrat Senator Moynihan was shocked to discover this unintended harm to the black community.
Moynihan argued that without access to jobs for Blacks (which Trump is full steam on) and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers, which would cause rates of divorce, child abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s), leading to vast increases in the numbers of households headed by females and the higher rates of poverty, lower educational outcomes, and inflated rates of child abuse that are allegedly associated with these factors.
Moynihan's research of Labor Department data demonstrated that even as fewer people were unemployed, more people were joining the welfare rolls. These recipients were families with children but only one parent (almost invariably the mother). The laws at that time permitted such families to receive welfare payments in certain parts of the United States.
Critics of the traditional cash welfare payments to unwed mothers claimed that the nation was paying poor women to throw their husbands out of the house.
Moynihan made a contemporaneous argument for programs for jobs, vocational training, and educational programs for the black community. Modern scholars of the 21st century, including Douglas Massey, believe that the report was one of the more influential in the construction of the War on Poverty
In 1965 on the coming destruction of the Black family, the out-of-wedlock birth rate was 25% among Blacks.
In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.
There's not a single Democrat willing to fix this problem because they have a huge invested network of paid black leaders willing to take a buck at the expense of the black family. As long as they can pretend there is no problem, then they don't have to answer the questions concerned people like Charlemagne Tha God would ask them.
Two of the most compelling reasons for the rise of fatherlessness is black unemployment, which encourages the welfare condition of single unwed mothers. The other reason being the mass incarceration of black fathers for petty crimes.
Which party is going to fix this? Biden? Trump?
Like Charlemagne Tha God said regarding Biden's comments "This isn't about perceived racism or insensitivity. I just want to know what you are going to do to help the Black Community"
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
He is racist for not promising welfare, reparations, and special protected status.
Although his Urban policies rebuilding urban areas might technically be considered welfare, it's certainly nothing that could be abused by the black community as a traditional Democrat welfare policy.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
This mail-in voting issue is almost exactly the same issue as amnesty. The Democrats will claim Trump is against amnesty for illegal invaders when he has clearly stated often many times that he would support amnesty if he could ensure a secure border first.
Democrats clearly do not want to horsetrade which means they either are dogmatically opposed to any form of security on the border or at the polling booths or they are pretending to actually care about amnesty and mail-in ballots purely as a political club to beat Trump over the head knowing they would never actually pass such legislation.
Either scenario is a pure garbage Democrat position and inherently unAmerican.
Government should be serving the people. Government should not be serving the Government.
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@Stephen
They were still working for Obama.
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@Stephen
I know the media glosses over that kinda important fact, but the FBI works at the pleasure of the President.
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@Stephen
Trump has the ultimate power to enforce the laws and has ultimate discretion.
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