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@bmdrocks21
As for you mocking Greyparrot, he is correct in his overall message. White liberals are the only group with negative in-group bias. Little fear of a reverse-OJ here.
I liked most of what he wrote, but that part was a little implausible. There is overwhelming support for condemning that kind of police abuse across the board among all demographics. After 16 years of the left-wing media and colleges pushing the narrative that whites are a systemic problem in the country, it's ridiculous to think liberal whites would give this cop a break under any circumstance.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
hmm all the time? I'm certainly open to proof, just haven't seen any yet. It does happen to every race to varying degrees, but all the time? not rare? that should be very easy to prove, so have at it.
100 unarmed people killed by police in 2015
10 killed in 2019
Evidence of decreasing racism? How few does that number need to be before people believe people are not being hunted down and systemically slain by the police? Zero?
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Black people are much, much more likely to be a democrat than a republican.
What exactly is the "Democrat Gene" and can a person be tested for that genetic defect?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Who cares what the skin shade is. Nobody is DNA testing any of these officers for racial purity. It's nonsense.
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@HistoryBuff
Do you think that being in MS-13 means that they are a person of color?
It's 2020, everyone is a DNA mutt and a person of color.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Also, when do we tackle the systemic fatherlessness issue?
@BlackFathersMatter
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Wait wait...so cultures are not exclusive to specific racial DNA? Whodathunk that in 2020?
Especially with all the mutts running around in America. Hell, you could mistake Obama for having mostly African DNA just by looking at his skin... Because DNA "purity" is sooo important in 2020...
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@RationalMadman
Exactly. It is irrelevant to this murder. Cops may have justifiable reasons for the millions of cases of police encounters yearly with blacks, but it's not a justification for murder.
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@HistoryBuff
little to no recourse
They have a recourse. It's called refusing to work. They don't need a union for that.
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@HistoryBuff
The problem is that the employer of police is YOU, and the police unions claim you are abusing the police.
Do you see the problem now?
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@HistoryBuff
Okay, read this article and tell me what you think about it.
On August 26th, Colin Kaepernick, a quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, refused to stand for the national anthem, as a protest against police brutality. Since then, he’s been attacked by just about everyone—politicians, coaches, players, talk-radio hosts, veterans’ groups. But the harshest criticism has come from Bay Area police unions. The head of the San Francisco police association lambasted his “naïveté” and “total lack of sensitivity,” and called on the 49ers to “denounce” the gesture. The Santa Clara police union said that its members, many of whom provide security at 49ers games, might refuse to go to work if no action was taken against Kaepernick. A work stoppage to punish a player for expressing his opinion may seem extreme. But in the world of police unions, it’s business as usual. Indeed, most of them were formed as a reaction against public demands in the nineteen-sixties and seventies for more civilian oversight of the police. Recently, even as the use of excessive force against minorities has caused an outcry and urgent calls for reform, police unions have resisted attempts to change the status quo, attacking their critics as enablers of crime.
Police unions emerged later than many other public-service unions, but they’ve made up for the lost time. Thanks to the bargains they’ve struck on wages and benefits, police officers are among the best-paid civil servants. More importantly, they’ve been extraordinarily effective in establishing control over working conditions. All unions seek to ensure that their members have due-process rights and aren’t subject to arbitrary discipline, but police unions have defined working conditions in the broadest possible terms. This position has made it hard to investigate misconduct claims and to get rid of officers who break the rules. A study of collective bargaining by big-city police unions, published this summer by the reform group Campaign Zero, found that agreements routinely guarantee that officers aren’t interrogated immediately after use-of-force incidents and often ensure that disciplinary records are purged after three to five years.
Furthermore, thanks to union contracts, even officers who are fired can frequently get their jobs back. Perhaps the most egregious example was Hector Jimenez, an Oakland police officer who was dismissed in 2009, after killing two unarmed men, but who then successfully appealed and, two years later, was reinstated, with full back pay. The protection that unions have secured has helped create what Samuel Walker, an emeritus professor of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, and an expert on police accountability, calls a “culture of impunity.” Citing a recent Justice Department investigation of Baltimore’s police department, which found a systemic pattern of “serious violations of the U.S. Constitution and federal law,” he told me, “Knowing that it’s hard to be punished for misconduct fosters an attitude where you think you don’t have to answer for your behavior.”
For the past fifty years, police unions have done their best to block policing reforms of all kinds. In the seventies, they opposed officers’ having to wear name tags. More recently, they’ve opposed the use of body cameras and have protested proposals to document racial profiling and to track excessive-force complaints. They have lobbied to keep disciplinary histories sealed. If a doctor commits malpractice, it’s a matter of public record, but, in much of the country, a police officer’s use of excessive force is not. Across the nation, unions have led the battle to limit the power of civilian-review boards, generally by arguing that civilians are in no position to judge the split-second decisions that police officers make. Earlier this year, Newark created a civilian-review board that was acclaimed as a model of oversight. The city’s police union immediately announced that it would sue to shut it down.
Cities don’t have to concede so much power to police unions. So why do they? Big-city unions have large membership bases and are generous when it comes to campaign contributions. Neither liberals nor conservatives have been keen to challenge the unions’ power. Liberals are generally supportive of public-sector unions; some of the worst police departments in the country are in cities, like Baltimore and Oakland, run by liberal mayors. And though conservatives regularly castigate public-sector unions as parasites, they typically exempt the police. Perhaps most crucial, Walker says, “police unions can make life very difficult for mayors, attacking them as soft on crime and warning that, unless they get their way, it will go up. The fear of crime—which is often a code word for race—still has a powerful political impact.” As a result, while most private-sector unions in the U.S. have grown weaker since the seventies, police unions have grown stronger.
All labor unions represent the interests of the workers against the bosses. But police officers are not like other workers: they have state-sanctioned power of life and death over fellow-citizens. It’s hardly unreasonable to demand real oversight in exchange. Union control over police working conditions necessarily entails less control for the public, and that means less transparency and less accountability in cases of police violence. It’s long past time we watched the watchmen.
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@HistoryBuff
I am challenging you.
You're a Marxist coward too afraid to explain why authoritative Police need a worker union to shield them from civilian oversight. Enough with the dog-whistles, just say what you really feel. Be brave.
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@HistoryBuff
There are lots of things that could be done.
But they must have their union that shields them from justice. Explain why the police need that again. Or don't, I don't really care for your non-arguments.
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@ILikePie5
Everyone agrees there are racists in the United States. However there are less racists today than the 90s. Just because a white cop pulls a black guy over for a traffic stop, it isn’t inherently racist.
There were 10 police killings of black unarmed men in 2019...thats 90 less than 2015 out of BILLIONS of police interactions with the public. How is that any measure of a systemically racist country? Was America more systemically racist by a factor of 10 in 2015? Nonsense talk.
Blacks overwhelmingly are overrepresented in police encounters, but that isn't a measure of racism. It is a measure of economic and cultural malaise rooted in the war on poverty and the war on crime. 77% of Blacks, including Mr. Floyd, have NO FATHER in the home. It's a big fucking deal and racism has absolutely NOTHING to do with that, so it never gets addressed.
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@ILikePie5
Racism won’t ever go away, it can only be reduced. The method of reduction is time. Compare the 1990s and now.
I agree, but there are a good chunk of Americans who are convinced that the majority of Americans are racist NOW, that this is an inherently racist country, and that the county will NEVER have a colorblind culture.
Listen to Juan William's rant in this clip.
His argument around the 5:25 time mark is that the whole of American society isn't colorblind, that the system of America is inherently racist and must be fundamentally changed.
Fundamentally changed how exactly? The critics are either unwilling or unable to answer this question. My money is on unwilling because the real change the left really wants if pushed to answer is a systemic Marxist America where white-skinned people are the new bourgeoisie and the colored people (sans Asians) are the Proles. You can see as over and over the left leaders are caught equating wealth to skin color. Maybe they are afraid to admit it openly, but the dog whistle is pretty loud.
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@ILikePie5
The heart of HB's arguments are: Something is wrong, therefore systemic racism.
It's absolute nonsense.
It's even more ridiculous under scrutiny when you ask how they want the system to be changed to be less racist.
I asked HB if he was willing to eliminate police worker unions that shield all cops, even the racist ones, from justice, and he went into a batshit frenzy.
They have no proposals for a non-racist "system"
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@Castin
It's possible the prosecution has evidence we don't - something in the body cam footage or elsewhere that further supports intent to harm.
It's more than possible. It is probable.
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@sadolite
I don't think a lot of the business owners that were assaulted would have chosen to own a gun anyway since they believed the police would protect them, regardless of the gun laws.
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@Dr.Franklin
A former black cop condemns the murder of a black cop by the radical rioters promoted and supported by Marxist revolutionaries.
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@Stephen
In all fairness, children in America are raised to care only what they are told to care about by doctrinal authority.
The State Schools raise the kids, not the parents. And State Schools wholeheartedly support Marxism and the fundamental change of America, even if it means people dying and buildings getting burned down.
It's not hyperbole at all as all our Marxist political leaders vocally support the riots and claim that somehow America deserves this.
Blacks are just collateral damage in their quest for a revolution.
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@Imabench
Until then dont feel the need to comment on any post that required actual effort to make.
That fact that you would suggest a white-skinned MALE police officer, (probably straight) has an advantage with a jury composed of leftist mouth breathers shows you put zero effort into at least that part of your analysis.
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@Imabench
Minnesota is probably going to be 90% white at minimum
It will be 90% libtard white. Chauvin is toast.
There is no greater hatred toward white-skinned people than the indoctrinated hatred from white-skinned liberals.
All the prosecutor needs to do is toss some catchy buzzword triggers like "systemic" and "privilege", and the jury will comply with no hesitation.
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@ILikePie5
The party of brown-shirted, violent Marxists must be defeated for America to remain free.
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@RationalMadman
I'd like to do a discord interview. You can record it and transcribe what you want.
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@Stephen
These riots were a disappointing harbinger to the Marxist Revolution. Poorly conceived and poorly executed. the globalist Marxists are not going to continue to piggyback the racism train when that unholy alliance turns into violence, terrorism, and looting.
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@HistoryBuff
she was standing on her own porch. There was no rioting. there were no criminals. those soldiers had no right to order her into her own home. They absolutely had no right to shoot at her when she didn't follow their orders. that was a crime.
Habeus corpus isn't applicable when the military is involved. While the police will let you fuck with them, the military won't.
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@HistoryBuff
That girl seemed to learn English very quickly after being hit with a paintball.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
It's a moot argument as the government can seize whatever ppe they feel is needed, since the government has the monopoly on violence.
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@Stephen
That's because Marxists can't use it to grow their power.
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@HistoryBuff
why the hell would i do research on the subject?
So you can participate in a discussion with factual statements instead of feelings.
I told you what the easy fix would be by explaining how to take away the tool the Police use to avoid accountability for their actions.
And that's what triggered you into histrionics?
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@HistoryBuff
i explain why your point wouldn't do anything
You used the word "feel" 3 times while hamhandedly explaining a hierarchy of power.
Make a better case why police absolutely need worker unions to coerce elected officials to turn a blind eye.
In other words, do some research.
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@HistoryBuff
why would that fix anything at all?
Do some research.
i'm not familiar with this term.
Do some research.
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They want to be able to interact with the police without the inherent threat of immediate and overwhelming violence because a cop felt like it.
Are you including DINDUS in your group of "they"?
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@HistoryBuff
These are just ideas of course. But the point is that the police have a culture of protecting their own and being above the law.
That's an easy fix. Make it illegal for government employees to form worker unions.
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@HistoryBuff
most of the time the system closes ranks around the cops committing the crimes and prevent justice from being done.
That's not even remotely true. The number of deaths caused by police on compliant unarmed people can be counted on one hand out of billions of encounters. There isn't anything "fundamentally" wrong with the police system, or it would be far more than a handful out of billions of encounters and interactions. If anything, the police system has become much less authoritative and less willing to engage criminals, as we saw with the mass stand-down orders from every Democrat leader. The very real problem is with people using a handful of those bad cops to incite riots to fundamentally change the country into a collection of warring tribal states based on skin shade and country of origin.
Let's assume you think there is something fundamentally wrong with the police system. What exactly would you change?
What system do you think can protect Americans?
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@HistoryBuff
you seem to think that the looters and protesters are the same people, they are not. one group is looking to protest and better their situation and the country's. The other is looking to steal stuff and destroy things under the cover of the protests. I know it's easier to blow off the whole situation and describe all of them as violent thugs, but the reason the situation is so bad is because that is exactly what people have been doing for year. They point to some bad actors and ignore the problem
I know it's easier to blow off the whole situation and describe all of white skinned police officers as violent thugs, but the reason the situation is so bad is because that is exactly what people on the left have been doing for years. They point to some bad actors and ignore the problem of systemic tribal divisions in the country based on skin shade created and promoted by actors that would see the country dismantled. America has plenty of enemies within and without..
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@HistoryBuff
Orangemanbad can do it because he has the power of Orange.
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@HistoryBuff
Plot Twist, Trump secretly funds Antifa to start riots, just so he can become an authoritarian dictator.
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Fundamentally changing the country, one Nike store at a time.
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@ILikePie5
Ya what happened to social distancing and lockdowns that the Democrats are preaching?
What happened to the lawless riots Democrats and Imported thugs are pushing to ensure Trump doesn't drain the swamp?
What are the Democrats going to do about the terrorist groups supporting Anarchy like Antifa and drug cartels?
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or the further restriction of already strict immigration laws
Laws are already restricted, which is why there is no America anymore. It's just a chunk of mud anyone on the globe can take a shit on.
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Republicans are truly pathetic. They’re so obsessed with winning a marginally larger number of black votes that they will let bonafide riots run unchecked, at the expense of their actual base.
How are Republicans "letting" this happen? Should the Republicans send in the National Guard every time a Democrat Governor or Mayor fucks up?
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you think that understanding that rich want to get richer makes me a marxist? I'm not sure you understand how capitalism works.
I don't think you understand how Marxism works.
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@HistoryBuff
"don't believe science, they're stupid"
They don't actually say that. They say don't believe crony scientists in authoritative power because they are systemically corrupt.
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@HistoryBuff
those are almost a contradiction of terms, "rich", "conservative" and "don't rely on suppressing minorities". The rich become the rich by leaching wealth away from the poor.
Thank you for demonstrating your level of Marxist mastery. You must be among the highly indoctrinated.
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@HistoryBuff
Oh yeah, those massive benefits like being allowed to loot and riot in your neighborhood while your local government kills off the elderly with COVID. There are plenty of rich conservatives living in the suburbs that don't rely on suppressing minorities for a quick buck. Most urbanites are so heavily highly indoctrinated with state propaganda that they cheered Cortez for destroying jobs and prosperity. The same highly indoctrinated people also confuse the scientific method with authoritarianism, because they would like to pretend they know how science works, and it aint by government fiat. In fact, there are zero scientific reasons for most of the government programs, yet they get away with the "follow the science" bullshit because state indoctrination has fooled the highly indoctrinated to believe authority = science.
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@HistoryBuff
You misspelled indoctrination by state fiat.
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@HistoryBuff
true. the president has massively failed, along with lots of other politicians (both dems and republicans). It only further reinforces why america needs universal health care.
Everything about that statement is 100% verifiably false in light of post 155.
Democrat-run areas are virtual death camps right now and your head is in the sand.
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@ILikePie5
If I was a Democrat right now, I would be reevaluating why I allow the monkeys in charge to put me at such risk.
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