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@HistoryBuff
Absolutely. Economies are forced to retool on a yearly basis due to technological changes anyway, so having a tiny portion of the GDP getting retooled through immigration enforcement to something Americans can benefit in the forms of other JOBS is a win/win for all Americans.
Plus think of all the money saved if we didn't have to subsidize incompetent farms and diabetic Americans started eating a little less and lived longer. win/win.
Think about it this way. Was the Civil War-era North suffering much economically after the South lost their slave labor industry? Hell no. They just retooled the economy and everything was fine.
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@HistoryBuff
So you are fine with large sectors of the American economy collapsing?
Absolutely. I don't give a flying fuck if slave-wage industries file for bankruptcy, even if they represent less than 1% of the GDP.
Lawful businesses can come in and take over.
Do you have a problem with it? With bad businesses being allowed to fail due to lawful policies?
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@HistoryBuff
The US relies on their labor.
No, they don't lol. Slave wage business owners do.
Do defend the slave wage industry for me. Defend the coyote industry. Do it. Tell me how the entire USA will fail without slave wage labor. In a country where the food prices are so low, that we give billions in tax-funded farm subsidies to slave-wage Big Agriculture. Tell me in a country that has about 3% at most of the GDP coming from agriculture how the ENTIRE country will fail if they had to charge more for food to pay Americans to produce that food.
Tell me how a nation rife with diabetes can't afford higher-priced food.
Do go on.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
But the Marxist/Keynesian playbook has a "tax cuts for the rich are evil" chapter.
Rich being everyone except for the elite people in Washington DC who naturally got a well-deserved pay raise in the Porkulus bill.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Illegals don't even have the capital to create jobs. why do they need "stimulus" again?
Before you go to the Marxist/Keynesian playbook and turn to "but illegals buy stuff" chapter,
You can also just like, directly give that money to the legal job creators without the illegal invader middleman.
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@sadolite
I believe we all passed with flying colors like good little lemmings.
Except for the toilet paper riots.
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@ethang5
Fetal invaders are bad. Brown invaders are good.
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Tucker exposes this open border shill demanding Americans make room for the invaders.
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@Bullish
Next time use either the @ feature in discord or send a message in ddo. That's what I was monitoring.
If you want activity, you can meet us halfway.
Or don't it's all good.
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@whiteflame
I very much doubt that my priority would be to put them on an untested, potentially damaging medication to treat it.
I'm so glad I am not related to you. I would hope My doctor would find me competent enough to tell you to leave the room so the Doctor can do his job without interference.
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@whiteflame
and that many likely believed him at face value,
This is such an oversimplified statement considering the millions of gaffes politicians make on a daily basis. Many look for intent and context before rushing to the dictionary.
People that believe political gaffes = intent are more likely to die from Darwinian effects long before anyway.
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@whiteflame
it doesn't make much of a case for using chloroquine or anything associated...
The point is if you had a dying grandparent in Michigan, you would have to hope they survived the medivac to New York if you wanted their doctors to have the options Gov. Cuomo allowed them to have. It's a terrifying aspect of overbearing government control. It's the difference between declaring martial law instead of asking people to listen to Dr. Fauci's guidelines about sheltering, hygiene, and social practices.
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@whiteflame
It strikes me as strange that it doesn't have you the slightest bit unnerved that a sitting president is misrepresenting clinical research. But hey, I guess we're just different.
Nah, my nerves are just fine since Trump and Fauci are obviously playing the goodcop optimist / badcop skeptic routine with the same goal in mind.
Not a doubt in my mind what the intentions are.
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@whiteflame
Okay, well that's your threshold for being personally frightened.
My threshold is this: When a sitting governor refuses to allow doctors to treat dying patients solely for the sake of politics.
Dear Licensed Prescribers and Dispensers:
The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose.
Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are proven treatments.
Reports of this conduct will be evaluated and may be further investigated for administrative action. Prescribing any kind of prescription must also be associated with medical documentation showing proof of the medical necessity and medical condition for which the patient is being treated. Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or medically to treat COVID-19. Michigan pharmacists may see an increased volume of prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine and should take special care to evaluate the prescriptions’ legitimacy. Pursuant to Michigan Administrative Code, R 338.490(2), a pharmacist shall not fill a prescription if the pharmacist believes the prescription will be used for other than legitimate medical purposes or if the prescription could cause harm to a patient. It is also important to be mindful that licensed health professionals are required to report inappropriate prescribing practices. LARA appreciates all licensed health professionals for their service and cooperation in assuring compliance in acting responsibly while continuing to provide the best possible care for Michigan’s citizens during this unprecedented and very challenging time.
With his state now the nation’s pandemic epicenter, and with the blessing and help of the president and FDA, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo brought in 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of Zithromax and 750,000 doses of chloroquine.
The implications of Gov. Whitmer and her administration’s knee-jerk scare tactics should terrify all Michigan residents. Not only is our state’s top leader threatening the selfless health care workers who are on the frontline trying to save lives, but she’s denying possible life-saving medications to actual COVID-19 victims.
Living in an authoritative centrally planned state is all fun and games until your grandfather is dying with no hope, thanks to red tape.
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@Singularity
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The people define merit, not you individually.
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@Singularity
Honestly, I don't even think the media wants to cover this election due to the permanent damage Biden is going to cause to the DNC with his obvious dementia.
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@Singularity
Plus, a qualified female would have beat him in the primary. Whomever he picks from the list of candidates that dropped out is objectively less qualified than he is for sure.
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@Singularity
Are you mad he didn't include any of the other 57 genders?
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@Imabench
I should not have used the word serious.
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@Imabench
There is a serious discussion right now of a 3rd dark horse candidate with a brokered convention as the DNC realizes what a trainwreck Biden is and how foolish it was to get challengers to drop out of the race and support Biden.
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@whiteflame
optimism and hope that has a basis in reality..
Sorry dude, but all optimism and hope are predicated on the reality that there could be none. Otherwise, what would be the point? You wanna be a computer crunching numbers on risk assessments, you do that. The rest of the world needs more than that. Just knowing I have a 30% chance of dying as an 80-year-old according to studies done by the FDA isn't really much comfort.
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@whiteflame
If you wanna ride the bitch-horse as to why a sitting president shouldn't show any personal optimism over a possible treatment a doctor might give to a panicked family member dying from pneumonia, ride it to the sunset. If you want to bitch at the president for offering hope to a panicked nation, you do that. People are dying and need something...anything. Would you rather Trump lock himself in his room and give podcasts like Biden is doing now? If that's what passes for optimism and hope, you can have it.
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@whiteflame
The purpose of this document is to provide information on two of the approved drugs (chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine) and one of the investigational agents (remdesivir) currently in use in the United States.
That statement is on the CDC website.
If you want to bitch at Trump for reading off of the CDC's website, by all means, ride that horse.
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Nevermind. CDC has a full writeup on the drug.
The purpose of this document is to provide information on two of the approved drugs (chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine) and one of the investigational agents (remdesivir) currently in use in the United States.
Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are oral prescription drugs that have been used for treatment of malaria and certain inflammatory conditions. Chloroquine has been used for malaria treatment and chemoprophylaxis, and hydroxychloroquine is used for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus and porphyria cutanea tarda. Both drugs have in-vitro activity against SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2, and other coronaviruses, with hydroxychloroquine having relatively higher potency against SARS-CoV-2 [1,4,5]. A study in China reported that chloroquine treatment of COVID-19 patients had clinical and virologic benefit versus a comparison group, and chloroquine was added as a recommended antiviral for treatment of COVID-19 in China [6]. Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal data, chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in several countries. Both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have known safety profiles with the main concerns being cardiotoxicity (prolonged QT syndrome) with prolonged use in patients with hepatic or renal dysfunction and immunosuppression but have been reportedly well-tolerated in COVID-19 patients.
Due to higher in-vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2 and its wider availability in the United States compared with chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine has been administered to hospitalized COVID-19 patients on an uncontrolled basis in multiple countries, including in the United States. One small study reported that hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin reduced detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in upper respiratory tract specimens compared with a non-randomized control group but did not assess clinical benefit [7]. Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are associated with QT prolongation and caution is advised when considering these drugs in patients with chronic medical conditions (e.g. renal failure, hepatic disease) or who are receiving medications that might interact to cause arrythmias.
Hydroxychloroquine is currently under investigation in clinical trials for pre-exposure or post-exposure prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 infection, and treatment of patients with mild, moderate, and severe COVID-19. In the United States, several clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection are planned or will be enrolling soon.
There are no currently available data from Randomized Clinical Trials (RCTs) to inform clinical guidance on the use, dosing, or duration of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Although optimal dosing and duration of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 are unknown, some U.S. clinicians have reported anecdotally different hydroxychloroquine dosing such as: 400mg BID on day one, then daily for 5 days; 400 mg BID on day one, then 200mg BID for 4 days; 600 mg BID on day one, then 400mg daily on days 2-5.
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@whiteflame
Is Chloroquine effective treatment for any of the symptoms?
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@whiteflame
Maybe you are confusing cure with treatment.
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@whiteflame
There is no treatment for COVID-19.
No tested treatment you mean approved by the FDA.
And at-risk people are NOT dying mainly due to the virus alone, they are dying mostly due to pneumonia, a symptom which Tylenol can't treat, but other medications can.
Treatments are not for the virus.
Treatments are for the symptoms that lead to death. Much like many of the AIDS medications, but you already know that. So does Trump.
So you can stop with the bullshit claiming dying AIDS and COVID-19 patients with life-threatening symptoms don't deserve doctors prescribing non-tested drugs simply on the basis that there is no cure for AIDS or COVID-19.
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@whiteflame
Show me the link to the latter claim.
It's straight off the CNN clickbait article.
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@whiteflame
Physicians are liable for the negative effects of prescribing medications like this.
They are also liable if they know the patient is going to die with no treatment and they refuse treatment to a patient on the basis that it wasn't clinically tested by the FDA.
That includes Tylenol which also has not been clinically tested in labs against coronavirus patients.
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@whiteflame
Sure they can. And when they die, you can truthfully claim the FDA didn't approve Tylenol for coronavirus, and you can blame their deaths on Trump.
Clap clap. Creat clickbait CNN.
Because chloroquine has been approved for other purposes, doctors are legally allowed to prescribe it for the use of treating the coronavirus if they want. Fact checked by CNN.
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@whiteflame
Okay fine. You go out on your crusade and tell Doctors to stop giving Tylenol to critically ill patients because the FDA has not cleared Tylenol for the Coronavirus. You do that.
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@whiteflame
Trump did say that the FDA had approved the use of chloroquine to treat patients infected with COVID-19, which is blatantly false.
Are you even sure this is what Trump said or is this media hearsay?
FDA has approved the use of chloroquine for 70+ years.
What you are claiming is equivalent to saying the FDA hasn't approved Tylenol for Coronavirus. FDA has cleared Chloroquine for use by doctors for 70 years and the doctors know the side effects. No matter what it's used for. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't help, but it's as likely to worsen symptoms as Tylenol. Most doctors need options like these because, for many of the critically ill people, death is almost certain anyway with NO treatment.
I get how bad you want to prove Trump is too stupid to care about people, but you are wrong on every aspect of this, and Dr. Fauci backed Trump up.
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@bmdrocks21
They also said the drug was not approved when people have been using it for 70 years.
The fake news is very real when it comes to spinning the Orangemanbad narrative.
Usually, they try to be sneaky and crafty like CNN by omitting key contextual facts, but this is straight-up deception.
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@fauxlaw
Hate speech is more valuable than congenial speech because, in its absence, apathy fills the void with meaningless platitudes.
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@whiteflame
Fair enough, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you if your intent was to suggest that we are having serious problems on a daily basis constructing the wall during unexpected high winds, or building a wall that can sustain high winds after the concrete has set in as the article you posted clearly did.
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@whiteflame
This is exactly what you said.
So, let's see how well we're doing:
You cherrypicked one incident to describe how we were doing overall. That's exactly what you did. It's a myopic discussion and not helpful.
An incident mind you that was widely circulated by celebrities and debunked by left sources from WAPO and others as omitting key contextual facts. I get you might have an agenda to support, but this is the worst way to go about it.
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@whiteflame
That's fine but to cherry-pick one questionable incident over the thousands of days of construction and suggest it as pervasive reeks of bullshit.
CNN gets a few things right, but this aint one of them.
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@whiteflame
"I get the urge to dunk on the border wall, but this is misleading. The panels that fell over in the wind were not anchored yet. You can clearly see that in the photo. And adjacent sections did NOT fall, likely because the concrete base had time to harden," Washington Post reporter Nick Miroff said on Twitter Thursday.
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@whiteflame
Did you literally post that fake clip from CNN about a small wall section under construction falling over because it wasn't set in the concrete foundation yet as an example about how fucked up the border wall overall is? As a clear example as to how you cannot make a wall on terrain?
Shameless.
"I get the urge to dunk on the border wall, but this is misleading. The panels that fell over in the wind were not anchored yet. You can clearly see that in the photo. And adjacent sections did NOT fall, likely because the concrete base had time to harden," Washington Post reporter Nick Miroff said on Twitter Thursday.
This is from WAPO....
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@bmdrocks21
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@bmdrocks21
The last part about it being poison pilled just so they could use it to demonize during elections knowing full well it wasn't going to pass.
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@bmdrocks21
Lol, you said that literally as I was editing and adding to my post.
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@bmdrocks21
What isn't tenable would be adding solar and wind tax credits to the bill, same-day voter registration, no ID for voting, $300 million for refugees, board diversity, minority bank and loan provisions, etc.
Yah, if they wanna pass that bullshit, put that up for a separate vote so the public can weigh in on the level of ridiculousness their policies are on their own. None of that has anything to do with ameliorating the current virus and economic disaster.
It's actually par for the course though, Democrats will poisonpill the initial bill KNOWING it wouldn't pass even with their support just so they can go back to their district and claim Republicans were anti-solar, anti-wind, anti-democracy, anti-openborder with unlimited welfare for all. Anti-minority...etc..
All of it is just straight-up typical political bullshit...
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@ILikePie5
The Republican's solution to poverty is to try to move as many people up the ladder as possible.
The Democrat's solution to poverty is to knock everyone down the ladder except for themselves so that they don't have to worry about threats to their power.
Income equality is only good if everyone is poor and the DC elites in government are the exclusive uncontested oligarchy of the rich.
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@ILikePie5
The Democrats care for the poor as they do for a caged animal.
Feed it just enough so it doesn't attack them, but not too much so it might realize it doesn't need the cage. Toss it a bone to distract them every now and then and call the bone a deplorable Republican.
It's how they remained in control in the decaying liberal dystopias like Detroit in the North, New Orleans in the South, Los Angeles in the west, and New York in the East for decades with no opposition. It's actually true Democrats care about the poor. They need to keep them poor or else they will have no power to hand out the slow IV drip of goodies anymore. Every policy out of a Democrats' mouth is to ensure the poor get as few opportunities to climb up the prosperity ladder as possible. From open borders to a plethora of job-killing policies stemming from wage-fixing, over-taxation, competition-killing exclusionary licensing, and over-regulation. You can't even open a lemonade stand as a poor person in California anymore. Stay in your place. Vote the same for decades.
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@bmdrocks21
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