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@drafterman
I'm not too worried. Even if speed is scum and not voting VTNL, we have the plurality and hopefully, town power role can see what's going on.
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@drafterman
Do you think speed is playing badtown and scum is lurking their asses off?
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@Speedrace
I was using him to prove a point
My point is all 3 of you are suspicious.
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@bmdrocks21
In a system where people are assumed innocent until proven guilty with evidence, the only way an investigation into Biden could have been a thing of value to Trump would be if that investigation uncovered evidence of guilt.
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@HistoryBuff
Why not? Left uses emotion all the time. Kids in cages lul.
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@bmdrocks21
2/3 of all abortions would end if it was required to show the mother an ultrasound of the fetus.
Basic biology response.
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@Speedrace
Wait how do you know virt is afk .. is virt your scum buddy?
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@Speedrace
Maybe toaster conveniently lurking... but not VTNL is a scum move atm considering it's going to raise the odds for a town win while giving town power a chance to get an action in
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@bmdrocks21
Roe v. Wade says that there can't be any significant measures limiting abortion, which is a pretty pro-choice stance. They would likely outlaw third-trimester since most people are against that, at the least, so it would be more pro-life than the current stance.
Yah that clause in Roe V Wade allows legal 3rd-trimester abortions, which 2/3 people most certainly don't support.
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@bmdrocks21
You won't get a 2/3 consensus to draw the line at when a fetus gets rights. But you WOULD get a 2/3 consensus for a constitutional amendment prohibiting statewide bans on abortions.
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@HistoryBuff
Are you honestly trying to make a case that the presuming guilt before innocence as the Meuller report did was a thing of value to the rabid left? Not even CNN is willing to regurgitate that talking point today.
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@bmdrocks21
Completely agree.
Flat Tax. Eliminate crony tax exemptions.
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Meanwhile, the 3 years of presuming Trump's guilt was of zero value to the rabid left.Of course it is.
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@drafterman
Also, I am suspecting scumteam is retarded for killing Luna who is the lord of mislynches.
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@bmdrocks21
Nah, there's probably a 2/3 consensus across the country to pass an amendment allowing abortions.
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I'm not sure what you are referring to.
The fact that you think opening an investigation into an innocent person is a thing of value to Trump.
That is clearly placing value in the idea of presuming guilt before innocence. Something the rabid left has embraced for 3 years.
There is no crime listed in the articles of impeachment, it's such an obvious partisan shitshow.
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@WaterPhoenix
It's mylo.
Drafter is right. A mislynch today will end the game when there is a 33% chance to randomly hit scum and a 66% chance for game over. If we VTNL tomorrow town will not only get another power role action but also the odds increase to 40% chance to randomly hit scum and a 60% chance for game over.
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What does that even mean? It is a thing of value because he is a likely nominee to run against trump in the next election. Slandering him by suggesting he is corrupt would help trump steal the election. We already know that.
It's only a thing of value if Biden was corrupt. Trump didn't ask Ukraine to make shit up, as Schiff read off in his parody version. We have the transcript, he asked for an investigation which would only be a thing of value to Trump if Biden were corrupt.
You don't still believe that there is value in presuming guilt before an investigation in America, do you? Trump's success over the last 3 years of Democrats assuming guilty until proven innocent proves there is no value in that.
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@Dr.Franklin
U.S.—An echo was heard across the land this morning from sea to shining sea as progressives woke up after celebrating Impeachment Day and learned that Trump is still the president.
High off their impeachment victory, liberals went to bed safe and secure in the knowledge that Trump was defeated, his evil vanquished from the land at last. But when they woke up, they realized that Trump was still the president of the country.
"I thought impeachment would instantly erase Trump from existence," said Pane Wyndough, a Portland Antifa organizer. "Apparently, that's not how it works. Not only were the Founding Fathers racists, but they also planned the impeachment process specifically so that Trump would stay in office. They are complicit in his hate."
"It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror," said Bill Pachinski, a farmer in Iowa. "I woke up to get started on a day's work. The rooster crowed. And then I heard a horrifying screeching sound creeping over the land, growing in volume. It started on the East Coast and slowly spread toward the West, with the loudest cries coming from New York and California."
The voices were suddenly silenced as Trump blew them all up with the Space Force's Death Star. While this does seem to be an impeachable offense, there's no one left to impeach him -- a true 4D chess masterstroke.
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The reason trump committed a crime is because he was trading things using his elected office (military aid and a white house visit) in order to gain something of personal value (slander against a political rival). Pelosi using the articles as leverage to get a fair trial in the senate may be a quid pro quo, but it is in no way criminal or abusing her power.
Pelosi provided no evidence aid was withheld, or that Ukraine thought aid was being withheld. Schiff, Ciaramella, and Schiff's staff claimed to have evidence and never provided it. The Senate WILL call those people up to testify.
Biden will be called up to explain why investigating him was a thing of value to Trump.
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@HistoryBuff
Whether or not they are also hurting Chinese people is not relevant to my point.
It should be because Trump is in a position to get historic trade concessions from China which will help all Americans.
Trump's tariffs are clearly and without a shred of doubt causing far more harm to the Chinese economy than America's. The minuscule effects of the tariffs on the American economy are worth reversing the maddening drain of capital, intellectual property, and jobs to China which has gone unabated for the last 50 years.
Are you under the delusion that China cares at all about the average America worker?
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A good point was made that Pelosi is committing a quid pro quo trying to influence the outcome of the Senate handling of the impeachment by withholding the articles. Whatevs lol. McConnel is more than happy to see impeachment die when the clock runs out in a year.
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@HistoryBuff
Trump's trade wars are making things worse for many people. The economy is doing well in spite of him, not because of him. I mean really, what policies do you think he has enacted that are causing things to get better?
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@Speedrace
I think day one VTL are not the best thing to do in all mafia setups, as the chance to randomly hit scum is low, and vote analysis isn't precise.
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@Speedrace
Why not vtnl though? town might have a power role they can use. Not saying Drafter is that power role though.
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One nice thing about this faux impeachment is that the investment markets are soaring as the crooked crony politicians in D.C Congress lose their stranglehold.
Millions of people fleeing socialist crony blue states like Cali, New York, Illinois, and taking their capital with them. Trump is enacting the economic policies that accelerate this migration. Economy outlook never looked so good for the average working Joe.
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@HistoryBuff
At the end of the day, McConnell is just going to allow Pelosi to destroy herself.
Once a Congress adjourns, at the end of its two-year cycle, all bills that have been introduced in either the House or the Senate that have not made it through the entire legislative process and signed into law are dead. This includes bills that may have passed both the House and the Senate but were never finalized and sent to the President for his signature; bills that passed one house (either the House or Senate) but not the other; bills that were the subject of committee or subcommittee hearings but were never considered by either house; and bills that never got more action after being introduced.
Pelosi has one year, and McConnell can wait.
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@HistoryBuff
That's silly. De Facto there is no trial as Pelosi chooses to hold the Articles.
Pelosi is worried about the witnesses that "might" be called that were barred in the House kangaroo court. Ciaramella, Biden, Schiff, and his staff.
Republicans win either way as polling of independents in swing states shows Trump already winning 2020 and the House is already lost.
Pelosi is just trying to save her own ass by catering to the abusive rabid radical left-wing, and she really doesn't care about losing the House, as long as she and California retains top leadership control of the Dems in the House.
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@HistoryBuff
Pelosi is the REAL battered housewife here, not Zelensky.
Beleaguered Pelosi won't press charges if she thinks a trial might upset the status quo.
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@HistoryBuff
Several members of the senate have already announced their verdict without having seen or heard the evidence. The leader of the senate is saying he is going to co-ordinate with the president's lawyers and that they won't allow any witnesses. That is like the foreman of a jury saying they will coordinate with the defense attorney.
It's more like some stupid charges going to a DA, and the DA saying, horseshit, we can't get a conviction with no evidence and no fact witnesses.
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@HistoryBuff
Pelosi is really all over the place.
First, she says Trump is an existential threat that must be immediately removed or the country will be destroyed, then she says "eh, no rush."
First, she says it's a solemn moment, she prays for Trump, and there should be no applause, then a few days later magically she says she has a "spring in her step" and orders the media to cover something other than impeachment. Whatevs.
2020 is going to flip the house whether she passes articles to the Senate or not. There's no path forward for Pelosi, and she knows it. She was promised gold and got horseshit.
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@Imabench
There is a strong possibility Pelosi won't even pass the articles to the Senate.
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@Trent0405
We would never get a budget bill if Trump obstructed Congressional deficit spending with endless vetoes.
Blame Congress for the budget.
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@bmdrocks21
Roe V Wade must be overturned in order to force Congress to pass a pro-abortion bill.
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@Alec
USMCA is a protectionist deal protecting Mexico and Canada (and us) from China.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
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