Greyparrot

How do any of these proposals help the current problem of 70% of minority children growing up without a father in the home?

im already in a game

In fact, the USA's backward policies and laws reward immigrant parents for endangering and neglecting their children, cultivating an environment for even more kids to suffer.

As an addendum to that, the fact that we are lawless at the border is the direct cause of all the dead kids being killed by their parents in an attempt to gain a better life. Think of it this way. Imagine if CPS was completely eliminated in this country and parents could be awarded money for every child they have. You wouldn't be able to blame the parents for child endangerment/neglect at that point.

What a horrible thing to say. It's not the immigrant's fault...

you're right of course. The blame is totally on us for having no enforceable laws at the border and no checks on runaway welfare spending.

If you're going to leave the front door to your house wide open, don't be surprised when you come home to an empty house.

lol, I thought I hadn't voted yet but whatevs.

I was hoping for warren to commit 1 for 1 to see how strong warren felt pie was scum...

He wont full claim

You willing to go 1 for 1 with pie?

If so ill hammer.

Oh yeah you're right. I just forgot to say I am george clooney

Ill vtl pie in a bit relax.

I full claimed, what info do you need from me?

There is most certainly a job that earns less than 0$ an hour.

It's called College...you know...the official state-sanctioned job training program.   

Cause training jobs below the minimum wage are illegal.

Ughh.. I want to say more but I know wylted is gonna say...damn why'd you say that?

UNVOTE....lets hear you explaination

Ok, yah, Wylted's silly "NK" comment was obviously a joke, which is why I shut up and watched to see who would take that joke bait....pie seemed to do so.

I mean maybe it was an American Principle before FDR fundamentally transformed the country into a welfare state, but that blessing is the curse that requires means-testing immigrants now to make sure we don't go bankrupt faster than we already are heading.

The thing about requirement one is purely a practical pragmatic matter. There's only so much of the welfare pie to go around, and families with vested interests and investments in America should supersede non-Americans. Just look at all the homeless Americans we have on the streets right now, and we aren't even functionally bankrupt with national debt yet. Imagine what's going to happen to Americans when the Moody's rating slips and hyperinflation sets in. Ittle make our current problems seem like nothing.

There really should be only 2 requirements.

1) Don't be a welfare liability or a criminal.

2) Be fluent enough in English to understand the laws and customs, or have someone in your family that can explain them. 

And if that was true, everyone in Venezuela would be employed, simply because people are looking for work.

Lol no it doesn't. People create jobs only when it's profitable to do so with low risk.

The people who don't do this have no capital left.

Both sides, the left and the right talk about immigration reform.
Immigrants complain about the process being too hard.  This 7 step requirement list would make it much simpler and easier for the immigrants coming in and would lead to more legal immigrants and less illegal ones.
Proposed requirements for coming into the US.  Other western countries can modify this as they see fit.

1. Can’t be convicted of any jail punishable crime under US law in the past unless proven innocent in all convicted crime/crimes.  No exception to minors.
   
2. Must have a steady, consistent job that benefits America and doesn’t take jobs from people already here.  Can’t be on welfare. Exception to minors and to people here on college.
   
3. Pay $50 for your green card.  If you can’t afford it, take out a government loan.*  No exception to minors unless parents pay for their citizenship cards as well.
   
4. Must renounce all allegiance to all other sovereign states and must pledge allegiance to the United States and swear to take arms on its behalf in the event of a draft. Exception to minors, but they must do it at 18.
   
5. Must know English fluently.  If you don’t know it, you would be legally required to learn it in courses that you pay for.  If you can’t afford it, you would have to take out a loan. No exception to minors.*
   
6. Pay $50 for your citizenship card.  If you can’t afford it, take out a government loan.*  No exception to minors unless parents pay for their citizenship cards as well.
   
7. Must settle in the state that the US gov tells you to.  The immigrant is allowed to make a list of states that they would be fine with settling in, and the gov is allowed to take that list into account.  If the immigrant is indifferent, they must put that they don ́t care on the list. All states listed will need a reason why.
   

*All loans are paid with .5% APR interest rate(adjusted for inflation).
Required for greencard and citizenship.
Required for citizenship.

Everyone one of those people are using campaign contributions to pad their resume as a future lobbyist. Being a lobbyist is where the real money is at.

Not our finest hour.

Because you need to be able to make promises to raise 1.2 billion dollars like Hillary did. Not sure if that counts as being "clever"

Again not true. Hillary Clinton made all her money accepting bribes as a Senator and only made a few million, yet raised 1.2 billion and still lost to a guy that only raised 600 million.

You don't need money to win anymore.

Aren't you in a private scum chat with him atm?

Yah i'm waiting on wylted before I take any vote actions.

That may be true, but in the many years that it takes for the market to correct itself to the price fixes so that the minimum wage can once again be at an entry-level job value, entry-level jobs will not be available to the people who need it the most, namely poor people with low job skills.

Why would you want to fuck over poor people over that period? If you want to give poor people welfare, give them welfare, but don't destroy opportunities for entry-level employment. It's almost like the government doesn't want poor people to work or have a chance to get ahead learning new job skills and competing with the status quo...

I don't know, that's really a weird thing for wylted to say.

I'm town vanilla so go ahead and lynch me if it confirms wylted as scum. Town won't lose anyone important.

Umm NK? wut?

My reads are god aweful day 1. Jus sayin

I said 'discuss" not ROSHAMBO.

Trump lost a billion dollars of net worth running for the presidency.

Hillary outspent Trump in 2016 by a very large margin(1.2 billion to 600 million), so it's not true that the person with the most money wins elections.

Another funny George Carlin musing is the idea that the only evolutionary reason for humans to exist is to convert massive amounts of oil sludge into plastics for an as yet undefined species in the future. Much like how sand is/was created from marine animals. Imagine if that was our true cosmic rai·son d'ê·tre... lol!

You seem to be hung up on global warming as a pressing problem.

Let me ask you something, what are 5 things you can think of off the top of your head that could cause the quality of life of humans to increase due to global warming. Here is a hint, if you can't find a single thing, then you are clearly relying on biased sources with a narrative to spin where only one outcome is desired. Nothing in nature is an absolute negative, even the inevitable extinction of the sun.

And you also kinda missed my point about how the vast majority of the world right now would lose billions to starvation if their fossil fuel usage dropped significantly...most notably in China, India, the Middle East, and Sub Saharan Africa. 

Short of going to war (which America would handily lose btw) none of those nations are going to allow their people to die from starvation just so you can have a comfy cooler planet for your great-grandkids. Man is pretty freeking adaptable, and though it might irk you to see species in your lifetime going extinct, 99.9ish% of all species that ever lived on this planet have come and gone, and you don't moisten an eye over it. There are a few serious pressing issues that will ultimately determine the future of the quality of life of people living on this planet, but a warmer climate aint one of them.

This is a totally baseless opinion to hold. You have been listening to way too much end of the world proselytizers.

Study a book on the geological history of the Earth and you'll see that the cosmos over billions of years has done worse things to the earth than mankind by many orders of magnitudes and it came out just fine. The hubris of mankind to think we matter in the tiny blip of existence we have had in the 4+billion lifespan of the earth matters in the least is insanely short-sighted. George Carlin said it the best. The planet is fine and will always be fine. It's the people who are fucked. Save the people before worrying how Earth is going to handle a glut of cow farts and jet planes.

If you really want an interesting article to read, check this out.

Take note, mankind with zero technology pulled through a disaster by at least 2 orders of magnitude more powerful than the simultaneous detonation of every atomic weapon ever created by man. And you really worry about cow farts? Come on man.

Yah damn warren is really good at scumhunting

 Warren, Pie, Mhar 

scumteam.

Discuss.

maga.

I don't agree. Necessity is the mother of invention, and people won't be motivated unless gas is 10 dollars a gallon.

There was far more life millions of years ago with higher co2...we also had much more O2 as well.....might see some larger lifeforms make a comeback with the increased O2.

You seem to naively suggest that India and China give a rat's asshole about a 2-degree rise in global temperatures.