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@keithprosser
What you refer to is personal opinion. It has no relationship to the truth. Some guys like big tits. Some like them smaller. Neither one is better or worse. They are simply different. But the absolute truth is that people have different tastes.
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@secularmerlin
You would first have to educate yourself on the subject. I bet you don't even know how many physical constants there are or what they do. One of them is preventing the atoms in your body for flying apart and becoming a bunch of subatomic particles.
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@secularmerlin
So, you are claiming that something non physical is the result of the physical universe? This is an impossibility since the physical constants define the physical universe. If you could change one of those constants, you would change the reality of things. You've got it backwards. The universe is the result of the physical constants.
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@secularmerlin
My point is that truth is not subjective. Something is either true or it is false. Truth is not subject to interpretation.
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You claimed that there was no evidence that anything non material exists. You are wrong. Ever hear of the universal physical constants? They are non material. They are not made from matter or energy. In fact, they seem to be made from nothing. Yet they affect the material universe. The universe cannot even exist without them. Where did these physical constants come from? How can something that is non material affect our physical universe? And why do these physical constants exist in the first place? Without them, there would be no order in the universe, if it could exist at all. Think about that.
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Atheists don't exist. I don't believe in them. There is no evidence that they exist. Sure, you can call yourself an atheist, but the simple truth is that you have rejected your Creator because of sinful pride. God will not send you to hell for not believing in Him. He'll send you there because you have spit in His face and declared that you don't want anything to do with Him. Well, guess what? He's gonna grant your wish. Count on it.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I believe you are confused. I never attacked your beliefs.
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@keithprosser
Ask yourself why they do that? Why would they give a rats ass what anyone else believes? And why don't they attack other religious beliefs? They only go after Christians. Why?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Read it again. I said atheists. Not theists.
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@disgusted
Oops. I posted that on another forum too. I forgot I posted it here too. One of the hazards of getting older.
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A few days ago, I posted on another forum. My thread titled claimed that according to Scripture there is no such thing as an atheist.
I currently have ten pages of replies from atheists trying to convince me they exist. The irony is delicious.
BTW, these are the same people who attack something they believe doesn't exist. Even more irony.
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Simple question. Right? So why do people argue about it? I think I know the answer. Meanwhile, can anyone answer the question? Actually, I'm looking for an example of something that is not based on absolute truth. I bet no one can give me an example.
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@Mopac
I posted a thread once asking if there was such a thing as absolute truth. You can probably guess the replies I got for that one.
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Wow! Ten pages of replies from atheists trying to prove that they DO exist. Does anyone else appreciate the irony?
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@secularmerlin
Jesus never came right out and condemned slavery. But slavery was a fact of life in those days. If you look at the entirety of what the Bible says about slavery, you can only come to the conclusion that Jesus did not condone it. In fact, the old testament proscribed the death penalty for kidnapping. How do you reconcile your belief in light of this?
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@secularmerlin
How is indentured servitude a social ill? Many entered into it volunearly because they could not support themselves or their family. They agreed to a contract, we're paid well for it, and we're treated fairly. Sure beats the hell out of starving to death. Doesn't it? You really need to educate yourself on this subject. Your ignorance offends me.
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@secularmerlin
Regarding Scripture’s statements about slavery, again, simply put, we can divide the slavery regulations into those for Israelites and non-Israelites. Israelites could only be indentured servants, not lifetime servants (unless they so preferred their situation with their master that theyasked to be lifetime slaves). They were to be freed after 7 years and compensated generously for their time. They were also protected by several laws; they were not chattel. If a man took a female slave for a concubine, she had certain rights and could not simply be discarded.
Non-Israelites could be enslaved for life. However, they also had certain rights, including Sabbath rest in the household of their master. They could not be wantonly mistreated.
But we also have to ask: what would the alternative be? Israelites might be enslaved because of extreme poverty or because of being convicted of a crime. Slavery is not ideal, but it beats starving to death or being executed for a crime. Non-Israelites would be taken as slaves in armed conflict—again, most people would choose slavery to death.
In the New Testament, we must remember that Christians were a small minority. The Roman government had a way of squashing movements that openly called for slave revolts. But Christians had a way of gently subverting the order. Paul addressed slaves as people capable of choosing godly submission in the context of their slavery, but the really subversive part is that he called slave owners to treat their slaves as brothers and sisters in Christ. Really read the letter of Philemon and try to come to a conclusion other than that Paul wants Philemon to free Onesimus. In fact, church history indicates that Philemon did exactly that, and Onesimus became a leader in the early church.
I would suggest that there is a deeper basis for your rejection of Scripture, because if you accepted Scripture for what it truly is, the Word of God, you would have to deal with its depiction of Jesus, the Son of God, and His claims about our need to be saved from sin. I would urge you to look at these things a bit more closely.
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@MagicAintReal
People like you often mock what they do not understand. Sucks to be you.
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@3RU7AL
Imitation is the cincerist form of flatery.
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@3RU7AL
Actually, Japan extended the war by refusing. They knew they were defeated, but they decided to fight onn. Which is why we had to nuke them. Any other course of action would have killed many more people.
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@secularmerlin
I was referring to self-proclaimed atheists, you dolt.
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It's really funny. Atheists are the only group that attacks something they swear doesn't exist.
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Here's the way I see it. Atheists don't want God to exist the same way criminals don't want cops to exist. They know that God exists, but they suppress the truth. It's because they also know that they are sinners and deserve death. They know that Jesus gave His life so we could avoid death. But these people love their sin more than their Creator. Also, the Bible tells us that many witnessed the miracles of Christ and still rejected Him. So, it's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of obedience. There is no such thing as an atheist. Not my opinion. This is what Scripture tells us.
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As for why Jesus wanted to be baptized, here is your answer. Don't know why I bother, since you do not value the truth. There is no truth in you. Just like your father, the Devil. The father of lies.
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@Stephen
Your arguments have been torn to shreds. You are either totally clueless or intentionally misrepresenting the truth. Which is it?
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@Stephen
Give it up. Every one of your arguments have been refuted. Quit embarrassing yourself. Or you could educate yourself. Your ignorance offends me.
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@MagicAintReal
Check your posts in your profile. I don't have the time or inclination to do it for you.
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@MagicAintReal
You agreed to refrain from personal insults during the debate. Before the debate even started, you insulted me in another thread.
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@MagicAintReal
What you posted is nothing but theory. Actually, it's nothing but a hypothesis. There is no observable evidence to support it. It's pure fantasy.
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@keithprosser
The scientific method involves testing and observation by experiments that produce repeatable results.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It's like trainin a puppy. After they don't get their way a few times they correct their behavior. I would just love to see Trump walk away after being interrupted. It would serve them right.
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Here is video of a space walk. It clearly shows that the Earth is round. Now shut your ignorant mouth. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Christians created the scientific method. Atheists have abandoned it. They believe in something that hasn't been observed, and have no idea how it could even happen. That's not science. It's dogma.
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@Stephen
Why should I listen to you? What are your credentials? I would rather believe a Biblical scholar with a Divinity degree. The Bible is clear on this. Jesus is God. Nothing you say will ever change this.
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THE COMMUNIST NEWS NETWORK is suing the President for banning one of their reporters from Presidential press conferences. Do they have a case? Actually, they don't. In fact, Trump is not even legally obligated to give press conferences. Trump could refuse to do so and there is nothing anyone could do about it.
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@Stephen
Liar! Peter, a Jew and a disciple of Jesus, called Him my Lord and my God. The Bible also states that Jesus is the Lord of all Creation. From the very beginning Jesus was referred to by titles reserved for God. The Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end. All things were created by Him and for Him. I could go on and on.
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@Stephen
I seem to remember a passage of Scripture where Peter declared that Jesus was "my Lord and my God." Doesn't get any clearer than that.
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@YeshuaBought
You won't find it here, unfortunately. You cannot discuss the truth with reprobate minds.
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@3RU7AL
A little something called evidence. The Bible has never been proven wrong in anything it says. Granted, not all of it can be proven true, but none of it has been proven false.
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@3RU7AL
None of the religions you mentioned have a Savior who performed miracles then died and rose again. Try again.
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@Goldtop
How do you equate warning people about a fate worse than death and making threats? If you told a child not to stick a metal fork in an electric outlet or it would kill them, would you consider that a threat? Christians are simply warning you about a cosmic electrical outlet. But you go right ahead and ignore the warnings. Let us know how that works out.
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@disgusted
You are for a very rude surprise.
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@Stephen
They stuck a spear in his side. Do you really thing He could have survived that? Would you like to volunteer? We could stick you and see if you can survive for three days, then get up and leave your burial tomb.
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@janesix
They are simply doing the will of their lord and master. The Devil. Nothing makes them happier than trying to get more people to spend eternity in hell with them. Fools.
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