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@Greyparrot
You mean the Uniparty?
there is certainly some overlap in being supportive of the rich. American politics is designed around money. So it's basically impossible to rise to the upper levels of politics without support from the wealthy.
That being said, the democrats actually do stuff to help regular people. The republicans do not. They almost exclusively help the rich and piss on the poor.
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@Best.Korea
I spent almost a year on this site pretending to be a Christian Republican, and seeing how the other side looks like.
lol I thought I remembered you being kind of a right wing weirdo. But I took a break from the site and when I came back was like "am i remembering wrong?".
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@Mall
Why do you particularly vote democrat or republican?
The republicans hates women, immigrants, trans people, poor people, people of color. Basically anyone who isn't a rich white person.
What will it take to convert you to the opposing party?
For them to not be evil? But since that is what they're party is based on the last few decades at least, i don't see that changing any time soon.
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@WyIted
I'm waiting for you to provide a shred of evidence of your underlying position. I would be willing to bet the vast majority of old money votes republican. You know, the party based on suppressing everyone but the rich and making the government just a tool to serve the interests of the rich.
This comes from studying history and looking at stuff like the French revolution
what? the old money, ie nobility, were almost entirely behind the right. ie the monarchy. there were some prominent nobles who supported reform, but most of them were in favor of the old guard, IE the republicans.
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@IlDiavolo
Sometimes the unconscious mind betrays. Fortunately this congressman corrected himself, but that doesn't mean he changed his mind. He sure hates Trump and wants him eliminated.
most of the country wants him gone. I'm sure some of them would be happy with "eliminated", but most want him to just retire or go to prison. The republicans are the ones who are constantly hyperbolic and calling for violence.
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@Public-Choice
To anyone who actually LISTENS TO WHAT HE SAYS, we know what he really said.
yes we do. he is dog whistling his support. Republicans do this ALL the time. They condemn violence, then praise those committing it. They condemn white supremacy, but then praise white supremacists. You are quoting him saying he is opposed to white supremacists, but then praise those engaging in a white supremacist riot.
Trump also condemned white supremacists on a White House statement on the Charlottesville attack:
that doesn't even slightly negate my point. My point is that he says white supremacy is bad, but then praises white supremacists. sometimes in the same comment, sometimes a day or week later. This is what trump does. He's pretty famous for it. He did the same thing on Jan 6th. He whipped up the crowd to attack the capitol, then also threw in a "peacefully". His supporters point to the fact that he said the word "peacefully" and then ignore his calls to violence.
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@Greyparrot
Out of context reporting can be extremely convincing and misleading.
true, it is also dangerous.
They can edit your words to make you appear to say anything you want. Functionally no different than an AI fabricating words.
they can falsely report what you said, but it is very different. seeing and hearing someone say something if very different than seeing a quote attributed to someone.
And what happens if a commentor makes their own impersonation, it's not AI, but should it be banned?
they wouldn't be able to fake their appearance presumably.
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@WyIted
2hat about the media using out of context videos, should we cancel the first amendment and stop them as well?
that has nothing to do with deepfakes. An out of context video can be misleading. A deep fake is an outright lie that is designed to be extremely convincing.
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@Greyparrot
Why is satire dangerous?
satire is not. Deepfakes are.
It's like saying someone using a loaded gun in a comedy act is dangerous. I'm not saying comedy is dangerous, i'm saying the loaded gun is.
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@SocraticGregarian96
Remain In Mexico, catch and release, etc. We had much less ILLEGAL crossings under him. Every statistical number agrees
again. what specific policy are you talking about? you are just throwing out buzz words.
Ukraine, Israel, Iran, any other country, and we were prosperous.
He gave aid to Ukraine. He gave LOTS of money and weapons to Israel. No american politician has given money to Iran. And america is more prosperous today than ever.
Under him, I could actually afford gas and food without having to work 3 jobs a week
lol this is just delusion. The economy was much worse while trump was president. In some ways not his fault since covid was running rampant. But to pretend like things were better during lockdowns and rampant inflation is just silly.
for a liberal employer who tells me 24/7 how racist I am as a white man.
this sounds like a you issue. I am also white, I have never in my entire life been told by someone I work with that I am racist. If that is happening, you're probably saying racist shit.
First of all, that was 1973. Second, he refuses to rent to CRIMINALS, most of which happened to be black. Trump was not a redliner.
yes, he's been a racist his whole life. Showing the historical cases helps to highlight that this isn't new for him. And no, he was specifically charged with lying to all black people that tried to rent from him. By a republican administration. You have to be pretty bad for the Nixon administration to think you too racist. And I'm starting to see why your boss thinks your racist. Saying that most people applying to live in apartments in new york are criminals is really shitty.
Is OJ Simpson also innocent?
don't know. probably not. But that has nothing to do with trump taking out a full page add calling for the murder of 5 innocent black men.
He did not want SOME of them open b/c it was a waste of government money, not b/c of racism.
he didn't want them open because he had casinos and didn't want the competition. He specifically said they shouldn't be allowed because they didn't look indian enough to him. That's racism.
No he was not. All Trump has said is that he is not sure.
lol he was one of the main proponents of it. He said it loudly and frequently.
And why should any of us be sure after we STILL have not seen or have not heard proof of his passport.
jesus, are you still pretending that's a thing? You know how stupid and racist this is right? Are you demanding to see Trump's passport? or any other white politician? No, it's only the black guy you do this to even though he's already shown everyone his birth certificate.
this has literally NOTHING to do with race.
you can't possibly believe that. The only thing birtherism has to do with is race.
he called for a ban on Muslim TERRORISTS. That’s why we were a safer country under Trump.
no he called for a ban on mulsims. all of them. He was forced to walk back the policy because it would have been incredibly illegal.
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@Public-Choice
television networks, say Trump said the opposite of what he said and people
no, you just choose to ignore the thing he said. For example, when he said people engaging in a white supremacist rally were good people, but he denounces nazis. He is effectively praising and denouncing nazis at the same time. You choose to only focus on him denouncing them, but the nazis hear him praising them.
Come on now... Go back and actually listen to Trump's words in their context with an objective eye and come to your own conclusions.
i heard him praise people at a white supremacist riot. nothing you say changes that. We all heard him say it. People like you just choose to ignore it when he praises dictators, white supremacists and misogynists and point to times where he said the opposite. But him saying polar opposite things doesn't mean he is innocent, it just means he wants deniability for the terrible things he says and does.
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@WyIted
Why do liberals lie? That was obviously parody and nobody for a second didn't think it was AI generated
you underestimate how stupid trump's followers are. I'm sure many of them believed it. But even if literally no one believed it, we still shouldn't want people using AI to create fakes of people, copying their appearance and voice. The fact that these are now able to be created is dangerous. We need laws about this before serious harm is done.
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@Greyparrot
lol of course elon objects. He was spreading an AI video of Kamala like a month ago. He desperately wants to use AI to slander people.
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@Public-Choice
Trump DID, however, deem the KKK a terrorist organization, accomplish significant prison reform, and call for the country to unify together under natural rights, freedom, and liberty and justice for all. He also denounced Neo-Naziism and violent protests multiple times in his presidency.That is what the media might have conveniently forgotten to report on.
this is one of those things that trump is really good at. On the one hand he says something is bad, then later says it is good. When the left says "look he said something horrible is good", his cultists just go "no he said it was bad". He says he condemns nazis, but people engaging in white supremacist race riots (many of them nazis) are good people.
He says the country is being stolen and you have to use force to save it, but peacefully, but forcefully. His supporters hear the call to violence, but can pretend like he didn't say to use violence.
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@SocraticGregarian96
closed the border
what specifically did he do to close the border? And are you aware that Biden kept most of the border policy in place when he entered office?
stopped forking over money
what does that even mean? Stopped forking over money to who?
and stopped profiting from forever foreign wars
what forever war did he end? he negotiated a sloppy, horribly planned withdrawal from afganistan, then blamed biden for it. Is that what you meant? He also publicly said he ordered a declaration of war (ie attack on a military base) on Iran, then called it off at the last minute.
stopped the “free trade” scam of america getting ripped off
what does that even mean? What specifically did he do? what bill did he pass to do that?
drill baby drill — low costs
again, what does that mean? What specific bill did he pass to do whatever it is you're talking about?
i could keep going.
You haven't really said anything yet. You've given SUPER vague talking points without listing a single thing he actually did.
Furthermore, I challenge you to give one example for him being a racist.
A quick google search and you can find lists of examples. But here is a sample:
1) In 1973 he was sued by the nixon administration for refusing to rent apartments to black people. among other things, they charged that if black people applied to rent an apartment trump owned, they would lie and say it was no longer available.
2) he took out a full page ad calling for the execution of 5 innocent black men, the central park 5. in 2016, years after DNA had proved they were innocent, he said he still thought they were guilty.
3) In 1993 during congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
4) birtherism. Trump was a big proponent of the racist lie that President Obama wasn't born in america. Even after being given evidence proving he was, he continued pushing these lies for years. There was never a shred of evidence supporting this racist conspiracy theory.
5) in 2015 he called for a ban on all muslims entering the country.
I can keep going, these are just some examples. He says and does racist shit all the time.
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@IlDiavolo
yep, he said eliminated when he meant defeated. Then immediately said he was wrong and that he was sorry. Whereas republicans call for violence and then double down on it when called out.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
lol this is why trump loves republicans. All he has to say is "I don't like nazi's, but people engaging in a nazi riot are great people" and people like you go, see he doesn't like nazis. it's just sad.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
she is making fun of trump for praising nazis.which he did not
nazi's were rioting. When asked to condemn the nazi's, he would only say there was very fine people on both sides. To anyone with more than 2 brain cells, that means that there were very fine nazis.
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@IlDiavolo
Well, you are proving here that it doesnt matter whether the assasin is republican or not.
since the attempt was not political, that is true. The only reason it does matter is that it makes the attempts by liars to say "the left tried to have him assassinated" a useless argument that only idiots believe.
What matters is that the assasin kills the "vilain" so to become the hero.
in his mind? maybe. But i don't think he thought he was going to be a hero by doing it. He was doing research into mass shooters. It looks like he was just a mentally disturbed, angry, weirdo who wanted to be famous for killing people.
Democrats have made Trump the vilain that deserves to be "dissapeared" for the sake of the american democracy.
lol no. I haven't heard anyone say that he should be "dissapeared". He is absolutely a villain though. But the far better outcome is crushing him in an election, then sending him to prison for his many crimes. That way you prove to everyone (who isn't a cultist) of the criminal and villain he is. If he dies, he becomes a martyr and escapes the consequences of his crimes.
Trump says good when blaming democrats for these assasination attempts.
im not sure what you're trying to say here. Democrats had nothing to do with the attempts. Trump does say that they did, but he is lying.
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@Greyparrot
she is making fun of trump for praising nazis.
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@SocraticGregarian96
they were dick cheney or mitt romney republicans. Pro-establishment, pro-system republicans. I am an independent and I loathe those people.
I don't know much about the 2nd one. but the little I have heard says that he was a populist. He supported tulsi and bernie at different points. That's pretty far from a dick cheney republican. And what about the 1st one suggests that either?
The reason I like Trump is cause he is a huge middle finger in the face of the administrative state.
how? He was president for 4 years and was totally on board with the administrative state. Under him, he overturned roe v wade and got the state even more involved in controlling people's lives. I can see how he's a giant middle finger because he's an asshole. but he has never used it in a positive way.
Sure, he happens to register a republican. But I would vote for him if he called himself a dem too. I don’t care, since he is the badass that he is and the amazing 45th president he was
please explain what specific policies he did that were "badass". His policies were 99% cookie cutter establishment republican policies. He just wrapped them in a more racist, angry package.
Thus, I denounce ANY violence, particularly political.
trump tried to overthrow democracy.... with violence. So where is your denouncement of trump?
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@SocraticGregarian96
look I'm no genuis. But if you shot at and tried to kill the guy, you probably are not a fan of him.
a couple of problems with that statement. I'm referring to the 1st attempt. I don't know enough about the 2nd one to say.
1) you are conflating "republican" with "fan of donald trump". those are not the same thing. There are lots of republicans that don't like him.
2) you are assuming the assassination attempt was politically motivated. The evidence so far says that it wasn't. He seems to have been a mentally disturbed individual who wanted to be famous for shooting people. In the lead up to the attempt he was doing research on mass shooters as well as a number of famous people including nancy pelosi and biden. It doesn't look like he tried to kill trump because he had a specific issue with him. It looks like he tried to kill him because it would make him the most famous and he happened to do a rally nearby with lax security. It could just as easily have been biden he tried to kill.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
No I meant the two lonely braincells you're using.
ahh gotcha. When someone explains why you're wrong and full of shit, your instinct is just to use insults to try to cover the weakness of your argument. I'm sure that was very effective in primary school. Much less so now.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Still just the two huh?
have any other republicans tried to kill him? I can only think of 2 cases where someone tried to kill him. both were crazy republicans.
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@Greyparrot
Price fixing is bad. I don't care what party proposes it.
and you are free to take that position. Recent polling suggests that alot of americans disagree with you.
no idea what that has to do with the topic though.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Do I really support the democrat party? Which are stronger indications of loyalty (speaks louder)?:1.) Free and easy party registration change that takes 45 seconds2.) Donating money3.) Attempting to assassinate the opposing party's presidential candidate
1) that is an express declaration of who you support
2) people donate money for all kinds of reasons. Without knowing the context of why they donated, we can't know what that means. Also, it was a tiny donation.
3) the man was crazy. He was looking up mass shooters and the locations of celebrities, democrats, trump etc. He was a right wing lunatic who wanted to be famous by shooting someone famous. Trump happened to do a rally near him. It could just as easily been nancy pelosi or joe biden. This wasn't a right/wing left wing thing. It doesn't even seem like it was political. Trump was just famous and close enough for him to try to shoot him. But he still was a right wing loon.
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@Greyparrot
What does "donate" mean regarding "support"....
a donation can mean lots of things. Maybe you agree on one specific issue, so you donate to that cause. Maybe you want a girl to think you are "progressive" so she'll go out with you. Someone making a single donation a long time ago tells you very little about who they are without context. But registering for a specific party, publicly expressing right wing views, that tells you who they support.
Not everything is black and white like inciters of violence want you to believe.
trump is literally an inciter of violence who tells his followers that everything is black and white. IE that he wants to save america and democrats are communists. You'd do well to remember your own advice.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'm a registered democrat who has donated to republicans. If I killed Kamala what would you say?
that you're a registered democrat. What other answer is there? if you register with a specific party and support that party, then you are a member of that party.
Trump has been shot at 1 mentally unstable republican, and now a 2nd mentally unstable republican planned to take a shot at him. We should all be questioning why so many mentally unstable people have such easy access to guns. that would seem to be the main take away from this.
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@IlDiavolo
except the assassin the 1st time was a republican. Hard to say the democrats did it when it was a republican.
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@Mall
I don't know. I think that's going to have to do right there or remain obtuse.
lol, so you say thing that don't actually make sense. When I point this out and ask you to clarify, you just refuse. I can only assume that you don't actually have a real point.
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@Mall
Just can't give credit to somebody being smart. Well is it dumb to have people run your business?
no, not necesarily. There are dumb people who have others run their businesses, there are smart people who do it. Delegating on it's own is not a sign of intelligence. My original point is that he didn't succeed because he is smart. He succeeded due to nepotism, his rich daddy's money, luck and other people (much smarter than him) doing the hard work for him.
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@Mall
One more time. You said people are greedy right, more money.Ok the demand for the supply of more money. Even the capitalists get that .
repeating the thing that isn't clear verbatim does not clarify anything. "Ok the demand for the supply of more money" isn't a complete sentence. It doesn't mean anything. So I can't respond to what you are saying.
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@Mall
Yeah that pretty smart hiring people to run your business.
literally all businesses do that. Delegating tasks to smarter people in not necessarily a sign of intelligence. Especially when the businesses you do get more involved in fail miserably.
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@WyIted
am struggling to accept she is woke. Opportunistic who uses woke language maybe but woke. I don't think so.
Agreed. I don't think she has strong core beliefs. So she uses whatever language or policies she thinks will help her career. It is very encouraging that much of her points lately have been left leaning though. While I don't think she has core beliefs that are left leaning, it would appear she thinks she can't piss off the left without damaging her career. That is a huge step up from obama or clinton who didn't really try to appease the left at all.
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@Best.Korea
Its called trolling with endless sources. Basically, he posts lots of sources. No one can disprove them all.
oh I know. That's why i didn't watch any of them. If he wants to make an argument I might be willing to debunk it being stupid. But I'm not going to waste my team watching right wing content that he may or may not have even watched, just so he can waste my time.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it.That's what they said about Jesus.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Jesus likely did exist, the things said about him are almost certainly untrue or inaccurate. No one who ever met jesus wrote anything about him.
I haven't claimed to hear him say anything in this thread (yet). You have. Problem is when you posted the clip he didn't say "bleach" like you said and confirmed you personally heard.
there you go again. I talk about one thing, you change to something else. I was talking about his claim that more than 100% of jobs went to migrants.
All evidence points to you being hallucinatory
jesus.... this is pointless. I reference videos of him talking, where he says words. And your response is that i am hallucinating the words that are recorded on video.
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@Greyparrot
It says Trump fires a lot of people and gives those disgruntled employees a solid reason to lie to people who rely on gossip to form their ideas.
It's says some combination of 2 things.
1) trump is an idiot who doesn't know how to hire competent people. He had access to hiring almost anyone in the country. But the majority of the people he hired either quit on him or he fired them. This is an unpreceded problem for an administration.
2) trump's administration was so bad that people just kept bailing on him. They couldn't stand working for him so they just left before their careers became tainted by working for him.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Then again having a cult focused on hating one man facts be damned is pretty unusual too.
you would be right if your statement was accurate. The "facts be damned" part makes you wrong though. The facts are that trump was a wildly incompetent, dangerous and criminal president. The hate he gets is perfectly reasonable.
Who knows what they see and hear?
they do. that's why they reported it.
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@Greyparrot
How many of those people got fired for incompetence?
not sure. But that doesn't speak highly of trump either does it? He had free reign to hire anyone he wanted and ended up having the large majority fired or quit. Kinda makes it look like he's an idiot. Or he's just so bad at his job that people quit in despair.
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@Greyparrot
sure there is. you guys can clue me in.
your goal is to get us to watch right wing propaganda and prove to you it's stupid? Why would we do that? You aren't the author of the content. You're just posting nonsense to make us jump through hoops.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The problem is that he doesn't say "these things", but you still hear them (personally).
except he does say these things. You choose to believe he didn't because you don't want to hear it. You hear him say more than 100% of jobs went to migrants and say, "no he didn't say that mathematically impossible thing, no he really meant some other thing that isn't stupid."
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@Greyparrot
And you think that's true? Gossip rarely is.
i don't have the number on hand, but something like 75% of the people trump hired for his administration don't endorse his re-election. Many of them say he's an idiot. I'm sure some of it is gossip. But you don't have 75% of your former employees saying you shouldn't be president if you are a competent president.
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@Greyparrot
I don't have an argument. The video could be true or not. I really don't know.
then there is no reason to post it.
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@Greyparrot
If you're too lazy to make an argument yourself, why would anyone engage with it?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You hear voices that aren't there.
no, I actually hear trump say most of these things. And the ones I don't hear personally, other people report on the stupid shit he told them.
You fail to hear voices that are there because you wish to be willfully ignorant. You want to worship trump, so you ignore the things he actually says and pretend he didn't say them.
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@Mall
You said people are greedy right, more money.Ok the demand for the supply of more money. Even the capitalists get that .
I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue here. Yes people are greedy and want money. Is that a reply to something I said?
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@Double_R
I am sure Trump knows full well that you can't have more than 100% of anything, the point is that he doesn't care. His relationship with the truth is fundamentally different than anything we have seen in American politics.
yeah I'm sure you are right about him just spewing lies off the top of his head. But given how far his brain has clearly declined over the last few years. You do have to legitimately wonder if he knows that he's lying, or if the legitimately thinks this could be true.
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@Mall
He got a lot of money. Did he get that by being stupid?
no. He got that by a combination of:
1) being born super rich
2) inheriting money from his dad
3) no skilled businessmen actually wanting to do the apprentice so they settled for trump.
4) he hires people much smarter than him to run his businesses for him.
He's driven a bunch of companies into bankruptcy, including casinos. His main sources of income have been the money he got from daddy, the company he inherited from daddy, and the grifting he did on the back of becoming famous for being on the apprentice.
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He's smarter than you.
no he's not
His financial success is evidence of that.
no it's not. It's a sign his daddy handed him a fortune and a profitable company. Most things trump has ever done has been a disaster. EX trump stakes, trump universtiy etc. He's driven quite a few companies into bankruptcy, including casinos. The only reason he is rich is because he started rich and because he got famous on the apprentice. And he only got onto the apprentice because the rich people who actually made money wouldn't agree to do the show so they settled for trump.
Got anything to the contrary where YOU are concerned?
this guy says the dumbest shit, constantly. He has openly said that if he gets into power again his top priority is taking revenge. We should all be very concerned about the idea of the 78 year old man baby being in a position of power again.
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Are labor, patents, and IP licensing included?Yes. Any costs for production are included.Then all that is left is investment capital and savings.So which will you sacrifice?
Your replies have stopped making sense. I have said that companies should be able to charge more than it cost so they can make a healthy profit. They should not be allowed to charge 3X what it costs to make just because they can get away with it. If that means "sacrificing capitol" to you, then sure.... I guess.
Different dynamics for goods and services? Why?
because some things are critically necessary for society. Things like roads, power, heath care etc. Providing the services necessary for society is not always profitable. Or, adding a profit incentive into that critical service can cause the service to no longer serve society. The sole purpose of Health insurance is to gouge people and make healthcare more expensive. They are leaches.
Medicine is a good, not a service
The physical medicine? sure. The doctor prescribing the medicine or doing your surgery, that's a service.
Food is also a good, and when you don't get any you always die.
true. And the government may very well need to do something to prevent the runaway food inflation.
There is no difference between goods and services that is relevant to why governments can't compete in the free market.
there are many, many differences between goods and services.
The reason is that governments steal from those they claim to be helping.
no, they very much do not. This is the classic "taxation is theft" argument. But that's stupid.
when consent doesn't matter then abuse runs amok
a single payer healthcare system would be very popular. It would absolutely have consent.
What about Kamala trying to delete private healthcare?she is definitely not doing that.
Your clip confirms what I said is true. You said she wants to delete private healthcare. you linked to a clip where she wants to get rid of private insurance. Those are very different things. If there are still privately owned hospitals and clinics, then that is private healthcare.
So would abolishing government intervention in the economy (beyond the legitimate role of investigating and punishing fraud and theft).
in the sense that cutting off your foot solves a hangnail, yes. It would solve some problems. It would also destroy the country and economy. Corporations are not your friend. They will literally give you cancer and let you die to save a few bucks (this is not a hypothetical, johnson and johnson did this). Without government intervention on behalf of the people, the US would become a hellscape.
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