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@n8nrgmi
Trump is doubling down on the bet he has been making. Trump knows that incumbent presidents ruling over a prosperous country win re-election. He wants to convince people that the country is doing great, so they should vote for him. that is why he tried to downplay the pandemic (ie it will go away in a week, it will go away when it gets hot, etc). Forcing the states to re-open their economies and forcing the schools to re-open is an attempt to try to force life to return to normal. If people feel like things are getting back to normal, then he is more likely to hold onto the presidency.
This kind of thing has worked for him before. For example, Mueller found he obstructed justice like 10 times. But he just repeated "mueller witch hunt" and "total exoneration" over and over and over and over until people started to believe that he was actually exonerated. He wants to do that again. Just tell people everything is under control, tell them everything is fine until people just believe it.
The problem is that this has worked in the past for things no one can actually see for themselves, or at least things they can look away from. People can choose not to pay attention to trump's crimes in office. People can tune out the actual findings of Mueller and just listen to what trump and fox tell them. But people are experiencing corona virus 1st hand. People are getting sick all over the place. 138,000 people are dead. A huge number more have become seriously ill, some suffering permanent health complications. This isn't the sort of thing that people can just tune out. Trump has seriously screwed himself.
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@fauxlaw
Show me another economic system that has endured longer than America's free-market, capitalist system. Show me one.
america doesn't have a free market system. So I can't possibly do that. The government meddles in the market constantly.
And I ask, again, what is stopping you from participating in that small percentage?
vast competition for dwindling resources. There is a tiny, tiny chance for people to become wealthy in america. And there is massive competition for it. The rich do everything they can to prevent people from accomplishing this. A tiny group of people will succeed at this, but by design, the vast, vast majority will fail. So while yes, it is possible I could do that. But I see the corrupt design of the system. I want that corruption ended. I don't want to succeed by condemning other hard working people to poverty.
the economic problems are caused by both partiesNo, they are caused by individuals who give up on themselves.
no, it is caused by an intentionally flawed design. The system is designed to reinforce the wealth of the rich, while punishing those without it.
having a government run by, and for, the rich isn't freedom. It is tyranny.No. Show me the last time you worked for somebody who was poor. SHOW ME!!!!! My God, this is not rocket science, but you get in your own way. MOVE!
I have no idea how your response was related to what I said. I was saying that the rich use their money and influence to make sure the government passes laws that benefit them at the expense of others. Thus we are ruled by the rich, and it is tyranny. Your response was completely unrelated.
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@Greyparrot
There is ultimately ONLY one way.
to keep the rich and powerful from controlling you? Yeah pretty much. If you have a weak government, then the rich have nothing to counteract their power over you. If you have a strong government where special interest groups and political donors have all the sway, then the rich still have all the power over you (but at least the elected officials have to sort of listen to what the public wants).
The only way to move forward is a strong government with strict laws to keep money and lobbying out of the halls of power.
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@Greyparrot
Everyone in government will always be rich because you voted to give them more power every year.
No, there are ways we can get money out of politics. But reducing the power of the government only increases the power corporations have over you. The government are the only ones with the power to reign in corporations.
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@Dr.Franklin
nope, its because of temperature increases
ok, you keep repeating this but have offered no evidence whatsoever to back this up. Either provide evidence or stop saying it.
those may seem like a lot but really arent
if they aren't much, then there should be no issue with the US government ordering that all these steps be taken. But they aren't going to do that because they don't give a shit and don't take it seriously.
the cdc required masks and a lot more and and are now saying to REFUSE opening schools!
because reopening schools without taking proper safety precautions is going to cause another surge in cases and put lots of people at risk. If trump wants to order similar safety procedures as Denmark, then maybe it could be done safely. But they aren't doing that. They are just threatening them to re-open or else.
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@Dr.Franklin
nope, they want to kids education ruined even though denmark and UK ahve been succesful with schoool reopenings
Denmark had it's people listen to safety rules. The US has millions of people refusing to follow safety rules. The 2 situations are very different.
no they didnt make any changes, no masks, nothing just spread out desksthe us IS DOING THAT
that would be a lie. Denmark took lots of precautions. Here is an article about it. It includes:
- installing new sinks
- changing faucets to be hands free
- hiring more cleaners to regularly clean bathrooms and all points of contact (door handles etc)
- guidelines that make children wash their hands every 2 hours
- changing class schedules to keep class sizes smaller and more spread out
- when playing outside children had to stay in the same group (children weren't allowed to switch groups to keep the virus from jumping
- any toys that couldn't be easily cleaned were put away
So you see, they didn't just re-open their schools. They fundamentally changed how their classes and student interacted and put more resources in place to prevent the spread. Trump and DeVos aren't talking about doing anything like that. They just want to re-open now and damn the consequences.
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@Dr.Franklin
you're not getting how social distancing works. The point is to stay inside as much as possible and interact with as few people as possible. Going outside where you will likely interact with more people in a pattern that is not predictable is what spreads the virus.thats not the point- your not staying in your HOUSE
yes it is. The point is to keep people from interacting with other people as much as possible. And when you do have to interact with people, to keep it in a bubble. IE you need to see your family every day, but you should prevent others from entering your home, or you going into other people's homes.
spain ignored it because of the womens march LOL!!!
yep. the government refused to take the virus seriously until it was already out of control. just like trump. He still isn't taking it seriously. At least the spanish realized their mistake.
how does panic help? when your solving something, do you panic??
A healthy level of fear is a good thing. It allows you to take actions to mitigate the risk and protect yourself. Instead trump went with lying to everyone, undermining efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus, and now ordering people to go out and spread it under threat.
the CDC once recommenced you to not wear masks in march...
true, they were afraid there would be a rush on masks and then there wouldn't be enough for medical staff. The lie was stupid, but they thought they were doing what was needed to prevent the crisis getting worse.
he told people to be careful about the virus
he also told them not to wear masks, to reopen their economy as soon as possible, to force teachers back to school without safety precautions etc. Saying one thing, then saying the exact opposite over and over and over does not mean you took the issue seriously.
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@Dr.Franklin
they want to not reopoen hindering kids abilites
so they want to protect children and teachers from becoming seriously ill or dead. Oh my god, those monsters....
again denmark didnt make serious cuts to their school reopening, only spreading out deksks and no cases have sprung up from it
they made serious changes to their schools to keep children apart so the virus couldn't spread. The US isn't talking about doing anything like that. The order is "re-open NOW". When asked what safety precautions they should take, the government doesn't give a shit. They aren't going to provide any assistance at all.
people do listen to guidelines, i have seen it myself, the factor is AC and being indoors
no, it isn't. The factor is idiots cramming onto beaches, and into bars, and going to parties. People ignoring the basic safety precautions are causing the virus to spread out of control.
forcing them into a dangerous situation under threats while offering no assistance whatsoever to keep them safe is absolutely attacking children and teachers.no one is saying to do that, NO ONE
Clearly you haven't been listening to betsy devos. That is exactly what she has been saying. She is ordering schools to reopen under threat of having their funding cut. She is offering no assistance at all to schools. No funding for safety upgrades or protective equipment, not even suggested safety standards for how to safely reopen. Just a blanket order to re-open or else.
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@PGA2.0
Your problem, IMO, is that you do not appreciate what you have.
no, the problem in an economy that has been rigged to funnel as much money as possible to a tiny percentage of the population. I understand the US is more prosperous than other countries, but that doesn't mean it's economy isn't fundamentally flawed.
Many problems in much of your economy have been created and perpetuated by the Democrat Party.
the economic problems are caused by both parties. Both of them have almost identical fiscal policies. Basically, funnel as much money to the rich and corporations, then those corporations funnel some of that money back into the political campaigns of those politicians.
It has a priceless commodity they the people of those countries seek - freedom!
no one is saying america shouldn't be free. But having a government run by, and for, the rich isn't freedom. It is tyranny.
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@Dr.Franklin
no, if your outside you are less succpetable to the virus but if you were inside with people, you would be!
you're not getting how social distancing works. The point is to stay inside as much as possible and interact with as few people as possible. Going outside where you will likely interact with more people in a pattern that is not predictable is what spreads the virus.
nope, Iran was hit hard early and still cant recover due to the temperature effect, only italy was hit early on due to their culture of kissing and hugging when they see eachother, smae with spain who is now seeing a rise in cases
Iran isn't known for easily spreading info, so it's hard to tell exactly why they couldn't control it. Italy got hit hard and they were slow to respond, so it got out of control. Their cultural habits also made it worse.
Spain ignored the outbreak and refused to take steps to fight it. I can find a source for you if you like, but there was a case where they had a press conference telling everyone that everything was fine, there was no corona virus issue. But one of the guys making the announcement is sweating and coughing through it. Like 2 days later he was diagnosed with corona virus. It takes balls to tell everyone there is no outbreak, while you yourself have it.
after all the media panic
130,000 people are dead and the count is still climbing. This has killed double the casualties of the Vietnam war in a matter of months. Why would you think panic is not justified?
after all of what cuomo did-banning hydroxoclorquine,
it has been proved to be ineffective against Carolina virus and can have life threatening side effects. Its the assholes telling people to take it that are the problem.
bashing trump and YOU ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY REPUBLICANS MADE IT POLITICAL, ARE YOU JOKING!!
trump refused to take safety precautions. He told other people not to. He is pushing states to re-open even as the virus is spiking. He is ordering schools to re-open under threat even though the CDC is telling him it isn't safe. Yes, trump made it political.
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@Dr.Franklin
the dems are the ones attacking schools
how is that exactly? Are the dems threatening schools to unsafely re-open or having their funding cut?
denmark required no masks and desks spread out, SINCE MAY and has seen great results
denmark was one of the 1st European countries to enter lockdown. They took early and significant steps to fight the spread. Their population actually listened to guidelines about social distancing. When they returned to school, there were government guidelines on how to do it safely (staying spread out etc).
None of that applies to the US. The US was slow to lockdown. People are not listening to safety guidelines and social distancing. The federal government is issuing no safety guidelines for schools, let alone providing any kind of funding, lowering class sizes, etc.
no one is attacking children(except when its nick sandman) or teachers
forcing them into a dangerous situation under threats while offering no assistance whatsoever to keep them safe is absolutely attacking children and teachers.
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oh, i forgot to add their attacks on schools. This week they are out threatening schools that if they don't reopen, the government will cut their funding. But at the same time the government is doing absolutely nothing to help or even provide safety guidelines for those schools to prevent a massive outbreak.
Add to that the report that the trump government is suppressing a report by the CDC warning against reopening schools without taking more steps to increase safety, they look even more like assholes. Basically, they are doing nothing to protect children (or the staff of these schools), but threatening them to force them to reopen even though the CDC is telling them it isn't safe.
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@Dr.Franklin
the cases are risisng because of the hot temperatures and people need to be inside to avoid the sweltering heat being more susceptible to it.
that is the exact opposite of what would happen. If everyone stayed inside then cases would fall. The problem is that they aren't staying inside. They are going out and not taking basic precautions. And to make matters worse, they are being egged on to do this by people like trump who want to make basic safety precautions (like wearing a mask) into a culture war political issue.
why do you think it is now hitting South America,middle east,africa,and southern europe now, all hot places where people need to be inside while other countries liek the rest of europe not so much
no, it's more about timing and successful control of the virus. Europe got hit earlier by the virus. They then took significant steps to get the virus under control and have had some success. South american countries and the US refused to take the steps necessary to combat the virus and are now raging out of control.
its not political
it shouldn't be, but the republicans have made it so. They fought hard to make safety a culture war issue. They thought they could score cheap political points by pretending they were fighting for "freedom" by refusing to enact basic safety rules. But now it is biting them in the ass really hard as cases spike in republican controlled areas while new york has sort of gotten control of the outbreak. Trump now looks like an idiot and is having to back track on masks, as seen by his statement recently saying he has no problem with wearing masks when last week he was outspokenly against it and refused to wear one in public.
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@PGA2.0
Yet people from all over the world flock to your country, fleeing from totalitarian and leftist governments. They want what you have. You want what they have. Why don't you move? They are willing. China has a big gap in the wealthy and poor too, yet the poor have no freedom of expression, cannot speak out against their government. Millions are persecuted and suppressed.
so your argument is that there are worse places in the world, so we should do absolutely nothing about the problems in our economy?
Although you are not as well-off as the billionaires, their companies give you jobs and raise your living standards far above these totalitarian regimes that oppress their citizens in every way while the rich feed off the backs of the poor in their exploitation. There is no synergism their.
ok, so the people siphoning off the vast majority of the wealth let people have enough to stay alive (although in many cases they don't even do that), so we should just be super happy about that and continue to obey and serve them? That is a really shitty outlook on the world.
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@bmdrocks21
Trump will probably lose because he sh*t the bed and tried to appeal to conservative Democrats and black voters instead of his actual base. We want reduced immigration, an end to tech censorship, fixing the opioid crisis, a wall, but he gave us criminal justice reform and more funding to "historically black colleges".
The problem is that his base is not big enough to win with. He won in 2016 because alot of the democratic base didn't turn up and he convinced some independents that "an outsider" was better than clinton. But now they have seen 4 years of what that looks like and it isn't good. He needs to try to bring in new people, but he is totally screwed.
And Tucker is the highest rated cable news program out there, so obviously his ideas are popular. I'm sure you'd agree with at least a quarter of what he says. He has mass populist appeal.
he occasionally says things that aren't terrible. That doesn't mean he should be president. And being a high rated TV personality doesn't usually mean you can become president. And after the crashing and burning trump is about to do, it isn't likely to be in the near future either.
And lefties decided to hate Trump even before he was elected. You see a pattern? The country is so divided, they only care if there is an R or a D next to their name.
fair point. But trump was well known to be crooked and racist before he decided to run. So people had a very good reason to dislike him before he ran. Most people had no idea who obama was before his run for the presidency.
Yeah, and the very people with the power to get money out of politics are the ones with everything to lose from doing so. Interesting how that works.....
I didn't say it would be an easy fight. It will be brutally difficult. The only way to get it though is by forcing it on them. I'd say the biggest threat is primary challenges. we need to make it clear we want money out of politics, and if they won't do that, primary them and beat them with it during the campaign.
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@fauxlaw
American dream bullshyte? It is only if you make so. If your dreams are trashed that's on you. We're done, you're a useless bore.
my dreams aren't trashed. The american dream is. It is extremely difficult, bordering on impossible, for that to happen any more. The best that the vast majority can hope for is lower middle class because all of the wealth is being funneled to the very richest in society.
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@bmdrocks21
I know your point wasn't that rich people only support Republicans. I was showing that, since a decent amount of rich people support Democrats, obviously the Democrats have something to offer them as well.
yeah, the democrats are also corporatist and right wing economically. The only real difference between the 2 parties are culture war nonsense.
I'm happy about the party becoming more nationalistic in trade policy and labor economics, but they have a long way to go. Hopefully Tucker Carlson 2024 :P
oh yeah that would go well. Trump is looking at a historic defeat because he is an idiotic, loudmouth, racist, reality tv show personality. So we should replace him with an idiotic, loudmouth, racist, entertainment tv show personality. That is definitely what america wants....
Righties hate him, so I would find that surprising. Especially since the moderate Democrat voters treat him like a god.
righties hated him before he was even elected. Fox news treated him as the anti-christ for proposing what was essentially a republican healthcare plan. It didn't matter what he said or did, the right was going to vilify him. As for democrats, they liked him because he talked a good game. He was eloquent. He made people feel like things would get better. But he fundamentally failed to actually fix those things.
Exactly. Mitch McConnell is sending millions of dollars to smear Chris Kobach in Kansas in favor of an establishment type. From what I understand, the Democrats do that too against Left-wing candidates. Very frustrating. Although I would probably disagree more with those types of candidates on economic policy, it is refreshing to see people who aren't paid off getting power.
agreed. But until we get money out of politics it is extremely difficult to do that. As long as billionaires can funnel huge amounts of money into super pacs to fund campaigns for their lackeys, it is extremely hard for people to get elected who aren't bought and paid for.
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@ILikePie5
You’re welcome to keep believe that. There are countless examples where that’s not true.
there are examples of people winning the rigged game. But just because some people get very lucky and manage to pull this off does not mean the game isn't rigged.
You choose to live in a world where you believe everyone is out to get you and as a result don’t try or work hard enough. Wake up.
no, i live in reality. The rich get richer and most other people get poorer or tread water. that has been the economic trend for decades.
Give me a break. You wouldn’t want to fix the system either. You said so yourself. Stop being a hypocrite.
what? when did I say that?
This is what you said not me. Do you fit in this category that you created. If you do then you’re a hypocrite. If you don’t then having money and power can enact policies you’re in support of. Which is it?
the only people who can win at the game are people who are incredibly corrupt or extremely cut throat. Since I am neither of those things, the odds of me winning the rigged game are extremely remote (like virtually everyone else).
Assuming I someone managed to win the game without being corrupt or cut throat I would hope I would have the moral fortitude to act in the common good instead of only in my own self interest. But I will never know the answer to that. Wealth and power have a way of breeding corruption and greed. It is likely that the actions I would need to take to get there would undermine my morality.
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@fauxlaw
will you ever tire of making excuses for yourself? STOP! You do yourself no favors. Do I care if Bezos is 1 in 1,000,000? Should you? I guess if you're convinced you'll never make it, I guess you won't. No, I'll guarantee it. Like I saId: YOU AND YOUR MIRROR. CHANGE THAT GUY. Best place to start.
blah, blah, blah american dream bullshit. The american dream is pretty much dead. The idea that "anyone can make it" is a lie. Most people never will. And it isn't because they are lazy or stupid or whatever nonsense right wing people feel like saying. The system is designed to keep people down. It is designed to funnel wealth to the very top. So yes, a small percentage will become moderately well off. A very few will become wealthy. And an absolutely minute number will become rich.
Kids being born today have way less opportunities than their parents did. And those parents have less opportunity than their parents did. You can keep pretending like the american dream is real, but you are just lying to yourself and helping the rich continue to rob everyone blind.
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@fauxlaw
Who says? You? ha! tell me who Jeff Bezoz was when he graduated from Princeton in 1986. His dad owned a bicycle shop; his mom was 17 when he was born. Now, not just approaching 1%, he IS THE one percent. The only people who say "you will never" are the people who never will. Argue for your limitations; they yours. Sorry, I don't play there.
ok, but you are kind of making my point. Jeff Bezoz is a one in a 100 million kind of case. He worked super hard, had a great idea and had alot of luck. He managed to win the rigged game. But now his company is working tirelessly to crush smaller businesses out of existence and take over the marketplace. He actually perpetuates the problem and makes it harder than ever for other people to win at the rigged game.
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@ILikePie5
We both agree that money correlates with power. We both want money. I’ll work for it. You choose not to.
that is not what I said. I do work for it. But I also realize the system is rigged against me. We will never have it fixed in time for it to particularly help me. But I want my kids to have more opportunities than I have. Sadly, the way things are going they will have significantly less opportunities, just like my generation have less opportunity than my parents.
And why would you as a rich person protect yourself and not pay as much taxes? You’re a hypocrite. You want to be rich and are saying you would willingly do the same thing you accuse rich people of doing. We all would.
I didn't say I would do that. I said that someone who won the rigged game would do that. In order to win the game, you likely need to be the kind of cut throat asshole who would screw over other people in order to get ahead. People like that would have no interest in fixing a broken system that now benefits them.
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@ILikePie5
Yes you can. Get rich and do something about it.
lol, so your argument is that all I have to do is win a super rigged game, and then I can get rid of the rigged game? Why would anyone try to do that? If someone wins the rigged game and becomes rich, then the rigged game now protects them. They now benefit from the economy being rigged in their favor.
No, the much better plan is for all of us to reshape the economy to take power away from the corrupt billionaires.
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@ILikePie5
My instead of complaining, get off your ass and work hard and get rich.
I do. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't recognize and try to do something about the rigged shell game that is our economy.
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@bmdrocks21
I'm not sure one party is much better than the other. They just have different masters. While Republicans have low taxes, for instance, Democrats get lobbied to give valuable deductions and credits.
agreed, the people running both parties are essentially just slightly different flavors of the same corruption. They both pander to the rich and powerful and don't give a shit about anyone else.
and this isn't about billionaires not wanting government services. According to politifact "Among the top 100 donors in the Open Secrets list, 33 were billionaires, and of those, 14 gave primarily to liberal groups while 19 gave to conservative groups." That isn't a clear split one way or the other.
my argument was not that all rich people support the republicans, it is that the republicans only care about rich people.
And I don't think you would argue only the Republicans would bail these companies out. Obama had his own stimulus package.
nope. Obama was right wing on alot of issues, like alot of the establishment Dems.
Yeah, the GOP is corrupt as f*ck (has been for decades), and I have no idea why GOP voters don't do anything about it. They care. Both parties are corrupt, though. That is why Bernie was popular among Dems. That is why an outsider, Trump, was popular among Republicans. They offered what people perceived as an escape from the "establishment".
agreed. And the establishment of both parties will do anything in their power to keep that from happening. They would much rather lose to the other party, than lose ground to anti-establishment people in their own party. for example, the dems have made huge sums of money telling every donor that trump is a fundamental threat to america. The republicans did the same thing by telling everyone Obama wanted "death panels" or Benghazi, or whatever stupid outrages they came up with.
They have designed the political system to recycle the same people into power over and over and over. This ensures that no one who isn't bought and paid for gains any real power.
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@bmdrocks21
And while the English language wasn't forced on people, we didn't throw welfare money at immigrants who made little money because they didn't learn the language. The de facto official language has always been English.
so you acknowledge that there were millions of americans who didn't speak english as their primary language, but still insist that america has always had a unified culture? how are you getting your brain to believe those 2 completely contrary things?
And Native Americans weren't ever Americans. They have their own tribes and reservations and are separate from America.
are you suggesting native Americans are not american citizens?
That is an issue. I agree, first generation immigrants can never fully assimilate into another culture. But you should design citizenship and public schooling to be based on American values such as the aforementioned Bill of Rights, ensuring they have English proficiency, patriotism, etc.
again, you appear to be saying that the US government should make it official policy to destroy the culture of anyone who moves to the US. That is not going to happen.
You have absolutely no right to someone else's labor. You cannot force Christian bakers to make a gay wedding cake.
You are looking at it backwards. It isn't about whether the gay couple had a right to the cake, it is about whether the cake shop has the right to refuse service based on sexual orientation, which they should not. We wouldn't allow a shop to refuse to serve black people. Similarly, we should not allow a shop to discriminate against gay people.
They want to force acceptance on other people. So much for it just being about "what consenting adults do behind closed doors", huh?
baking a cake does not mean you accept their lifestyle. It means you made a cake, exactly like you would for any other person on any other day. No one asked them to go to the wedding. That couple asked a store to do exactly what they would do for any other person. They refused based on bigotry. They should be legally liable for that.
Forcing small children to have gay and transgender ideals taught to them in schools. That "sexualizing" children.
oh i see. So teaching children about reality that you don't like is wrong. gotcha.
No, I'm just not going to mince words with you. Some cultures are absolutely savage and disgusting and have no place being in America.
again, your racism is super blatant right now.
Slavery was a mistake. It held the US economy back and was a partial cause of our bloodiest war.And the Irish were treated worse than slaves, so don't give me any of that crap.
agreed. The US was founded on racial discrimination. That includes black people as well as irish people. But we are trying to grow and change from that past. Change was needed and it still is. Your argument seems to be that it was bad in the past, but we changed. So now we should stop changing. But change doesn't ever stop. You can stand in the way for awhile, but ultimately it is coming.
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@Vader
The leftist assume that the Church itself is in support of the sometimes cruel methods and corruption inside the church. The Church's ultimate goal is to be an uniting force into driving good. The leadership of the church causes many leftist to believe the church is bad (eg: r-word priest, money loitering, evasion). Those small few have clogged the minds of the left and there goal now is to destroy the Church as a whole.
what church are you even talking about? there are probably dozens of branches of Christianity in america. Let alone all the other religions.
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@bmdrocks21
I don't think "conservative" actually means anything any more. The term has become so watered down it means nothing.
The republican party (the leadership of it anyway) is about serving rich people. (please note the dems are a whole lot better). So that is why they are so obsessed with taxes. Rich people don't particularly need the services of the government. They have the money to do whatever they want anyway, so why would they want to pay into that system? Also, they know they can make the government borrow money to bail them out anyway (see 2008 financial crisis as well as current crisis). So even if they don't pay any taxes, they know they can still get the things they want from the government anyway.
The republican party have used "conservatives" for a long time. They might agree with them (or might not), but they don't actually fight for them. They will put up a token fight to fire up their base, but then they go back to what they actually care about. Making the rich richer.
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@fauxlaw
That is such a load of crap! What, you abdicate control of your destiny that easily? Get an education. Learn to think critically. Use your head to whorl smart, not just hard. Is that so hard?
I have an education. I do think critically. I see that the vast majority of wealth is controlled by a very few number of people. They have, over the course of decades and even centuries, designed an economic system that protects them and their class. They have systematically devalued labor and experience and concentrated as much wealth and power into their own hands.
So yes, if you work hard all your life it is possible to succeed. But you will never be among the top 1%. You will never be wealthy or powerful enough to make any real change. But that is how they sell the lie.
And the current economic crisis has actually highlighted that point. The people who are critically important are the people who run our hospitals, drive the trucks full of goods, stock our grocery stores etc. But those people are getting completely screwed over. It isn't them the government is spending trillions of dollars to support. It is businesses and millionaires/billionaires. When it comes down to it, the system is designed to protect the rich, not you.
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@fauxlaw
What is stopping you from being rich?
A system designed to prevent most people from becoming wealthy by devaluing labor and experience and massively over valuing executives and share holders. There are exceptions that manage to become wealthy in this system, but the vast majority of people will not. And it is absolutely designed to work that way.
There's money to be had. Go get it. Get out of the street and start thinking for yourselves. Do for yourselves. I am not going to do irt for you. No one did it for me.
Are you claiming you are a multi-millionaire?
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@bmdrocks21
Yeah, we did have a unified culture. We had universal appreciation of the Bill of Rights, a common language: English, among other things.
oh, so all those native Americans spoke English? And the Chinese immigrants, they spoke English too right? And all the Mexicans who became Americans when the Texas joined the US. America was founded on immigration. That means people from all over the world. It has never had a unified culture.
But "crushing" cultural identity is hardly what needs to occur. If you come to another country, you leave your old country and culture behind. You become an American. Not a Columbian who just so happens to reside here because they wanted a better job.
That is not how anything works. People don't just forget their heritage when they move.
Respecting gay people's rights to sue bakers repeatedly who won't accommodate their lifestyle?
yeah, absolutely. Bakers should not have the right to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. you don't have to like someone's life or approve of it. But if you discriminate against them, absolutely they should be able to sue you.
Respect their right to sexualize children?
what does this even mean?
Third world shithole via letting in a constant flow of immigration from the third world and granting amnesty to illegals. From the guy who thinks we shouldn't "crush their culture", I bet you have no problem letting backwards ass peoples come here and maintaining their backwards ass culture because that is the "nice" and "tolerant" thing to do. You just love that morally superior feeling at the cost of a country, don't you?
you forgot to try to hide the racism.
A "whites only" police state wouldn't have brown people by the way. That is just silly.
well you need laborers to work and die for you. that is what america was founded on. Ruled by the whites with lots of people of color for labor.
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@fauxlaw
Before making your snide commentary about the rich, why don 't yoiu research what percentage of all taxes paid are paid by the rich? Afraid of what you'll find is the true history, buff?
what's your point? The people who control like 90% of the wealth pay a larger percent of the taxes. Of course they do, they have all the money. They also build in loopholes so they pay a lower effective tax rate than you do.
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@fauxlaw
Yeah, I'm conservative. The money supply is in better hands in the private sector.
this statement essentially translates as "yeah the rich should hold all the power and wealth and the rest of the country should serve them". If you believe that, then there is little anyone can do to convince you otherwise.
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@bmdrocks21
Slavery isn’t a value of... anything really.
believing you have the right and obligation to enslave others is certainly a value. One which america was founded with.
Why are you so offended by Christian values? We are and have always been a Christian majority country. Cultural homogeneity is a strength and diversity is a weakness, so why are you against having a unified culture?
Because america has never had a unified culture. The idea that you can crush people's cultural identity and subsume them into your own is a sick joke.
If by “change” you mean see my beloved country become a degenerate third world shithole before my very eyes, then yes, I do hate your so called “change”.
it's weird that you think respecting people and protecting them and their rights are qualities of a "degenerate third world shithole". Perhaps you would be happier in a "whites only" police state where the scary brown people could be properly suppressed?
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@fauxlaw
the direct comparison is that Muhammad, like it or not, was also a politician, as I demonstrated by source.
the critical word in your sentence is "also". IE he was a politician. But he was also the primary prophet of an entire religion. Washington is very much not a religious icon. Therefore a direct comparison between them is silly.
You can make judgement about whether or not Washington is worthy of a statue based on his actions. However, doing the same calculation to Muhammad is pretty much impossible without directly attacking a religion.
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@Greyparrot
Blind change is predictably a bad thing. Ask the billions of species now extinct.
making changes that improve people's lives is not blind change. Also, that is exactly how evolution works. We would not exist as a species with a great deal of change.
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@fauxlaw
I'll take the guy who actually produces something any day of the week.
that has nothing to do with the topic. My point was that 1 is a revered religious icon, the other was just a politican. They are not directly comparable when it comes to monuments.
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@bmdrocks21
As in there should be no government sponsored religion, probably. But should the government be run with consideration of the values (Christian values) upon which it was built? Yes.
one of those values was slavery. So no, what the values were at the time of the creation of the country has nothing to do with what our values are now.
It still supports religion, aka not atheism.
you have the freedom to worship whatever you want. However that worship should stop at the doors of government.
And it was allowed and practiced for most of the history of the country until things went to crap in the early 1960s.
and women weren't legally people. Things change.
I'd say we need more religious influence in politics now. And by that, I don't mean quoting the Bible as proof of why we should do things.
That is a horrendous idea. You can believe whatever you want, but the US government needs to represent everyone. That includes christians, muslims, Atheists, everyone. Trying to make the government more christian just makes it a government that does not represent millions of it's own citizens.
Now, as "secularization" occurs in our governments, now you have "drag queen story hour", some even pushing to allow "gender reassignment" for children, pushing the culture of casual sex which results in higher divorce rates/unwanted pregnancies/objectification of women.
blah, blah, blah, culture war bullshit. i get it. You hate change.
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@fauxlaw
But, history says Muhammad was ALSO a politician. That's what it was about. Not such a poor comparison
again, was Washington a religious prophet? no. Was Muhammad a religious prophet? yes.
So one is a religious leader. One is just a politician. My point is accurate and you have done nothing to disprove it.
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@bmdrocks21
Only if you are arguing that it is a "secular" state meaning "not a religious theocracy".
no, i mean secular. As in a separation of church and state.
"In God We Trust" is our official country motto.
and every citizen can trust any god they want to.
Heck, school prayer wasn't even banned until 1962.
ok. but it is banned and has been for over 50 years.
This secularization of the country has been a major push by lefties for a little less than a century.
secularization has been pushed in most modern countries. Because having a country where religion is involved in the state creates serious problems.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, it's amazing what happens when brown-skinned people are allowed to identify as Americans and not some hyphenated tribe.
so because a relatively small percentage vote republican, that means they are all totally ok with racism? That is a weak argument even for you.
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@ILikePie5
Which Muslim country? Saudi Arabia? Oh wait...
Saudi Arabia is also a US ally
If we leave Israel it wouldn’t be long before it gets destroyed by the radical Islamists.
As it is, yeah. Israel acts like assholes because they know the US will bail them out of any problem. The US should made aid contingent on them not acting like dicks. If they want to continue to try to annex Palestine, then they are deciding they want to go it alone. If they are destroyed, then it would be their own doing.
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@ILikePie5
It’s called having an ally in the region that has faced the problems for half a decade and knows the Muslims
Ok, but america could just as easily make those muslim countries allies. Choosing to back one repressive regime over another doesn't make all that much sense. Especially when the repressive regime being backed by the US requires billions and billions of US tax dollars to keep it afloat.
I know you want to abolish Israel. That’s fine. It’s your opinion. Just know the Palestinian leaders and their supporters in the Middle East want the same thing
I have never said that. I have said that Israel should have to give back the Palestinian land they have stolen. And having a blank check from the US government to be as repressive as they want and still get billions of US tax dollars doesn't help the situation. It makes sure the Israeli's have no reason to ever negotiate in good faith. They can steal more land from the Palestinians and also get paid billions by the US while they do it.
By blindly supporting Israel, the US helps to ensure no permanent solution can ever be found. It just deadlocks the middle east.
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@Greyparrot
It's entirely plausible 1/3 former Mexicans recognize that illegal immigrants to America from Mexico include rapists.
it's also entirely plausible that most people of mexican decent don't like it when their president says people of their ethnicity are rapists.
Trump will never be a Mexican president.
no, he is however the president of the US. Which includes millions of mexicans.
There is only one party that hyphenates the American tribe into warring competing factions and that is the divisive Democrat party.Even you were quick to toss in the hyphenated American term so flippantly.
ahh i see. So it is divisive to recognize people's heritage. But calling them rapists is totally inclusive....
Every hyphenated attack on America is dividing the nation, as the left loves to do.
what? recognizing people's heritage is an attack on america? Jesus that is some jingoistic nonsense.
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@ILikePie5
Cause of the Middle East and the shithole it is
so because the middle east is a "shithole" that means america has to funnel billions of tax dollars into israel? That doesn't make any sense.
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@Greyparrot
"poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids"
ok, biden is kinda racist. How is that relevant to what we're talking about?
You're delusional if you think legal Mexican immigrants care about the Mexico tribe anymore. There is a reason why they are here legally. To join the American tribe.
You think being an american citizen means you don't give a shit about your heritage? You think that makes you perfectly ok with having people from your homeland, your friends and family called rapists? Being a US citizen does not make people automatically stop caring about those things.
Many legal immigrants from Mexico identify as Americans and will vote again for Trump.
identifying as american does not mean you agree that mexicans are rapists. And less than 1/3rd of latinos support trump according to that source. Why do you think this supported your argument?
The only Tribe Trump believes in is the American Tribe.
but we keep going over how he divides people. ie, mexicans are rapists, protesters are terrorists, democrats are traitors. He is dividing people into tribes all the time. He stokes the "Us vs. them" mentality constantly. Saying he doesn't do that is a joke.
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@Greyparrot
People from Mexico cross the border illegally and rape. Mexico is not America.Trump is not a Mexican President.
He is the president of america. So fear mongering and slandering millions of mexican americans, their families and friends is an extremely divisive thing to do. It is but one of a huge number of examples where trump tries to divide people into groups so that if you are in "his" group you will be afraid of the other groups. That is a core part of how he got elected.
Pretending he doesn't do that makes you look delusional.
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@fauxlaw
Why do I keep finding evidence that history is not your friend? 622 BNCE, Muhammad, tired of being persecuted in Mecca, migrated to Medina. That city asked him to be their leader; he accepted. "During his 10 years in Medina, Muhammad became more than just a spiritual leader. He put his administrative and political skills to good use, effectively acting as the town’s leader… Islam was evolving from a religious movement to a powerful political one."
what was the point of this? I said muhammad was a religious leader. He was. Your post did not dispute that in any way. he is a religious figure, so comparing him to washington is not a good comparison.
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@Greyparrot
More like the American bourgeoisie told Britan to go pound sand. You are so confused lol.
my point is that your description of marxism is ridiculous. You choose to see differences where you want to. But when you don't want to, then everyone is a marxist.
There are way more illegal Mexicans from the tribe nation of Mexico. They are distinctly not American.
And there are millions of americans of mexican decent, who have family in mexico or are dual citizens. Calling mexicans rapists is divisive.
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@Greyparrot
They are not Americans
there are lots of mexican-americans.
The are, ask the Democrat mayor of Olympia.
you just proved my point. Labeling an entire group of people as criminals. That is a textbook attempt to divide people.
Just the ones who willingly or unwillingly support an UnAmerican Marxist transformation of the country.
Lol, as i have already explained. You either don't know what marxism means, you just don't care and are using the term in an attempt to slander. Joe biden is as far from a marxist as you can really get. He is economically right wing. But you still think he is a marxist.
The only Tribe Trump believes in is the American Tribe.
lol you lay out examples of how he divides people into "tribes", then attempt to argue he doesn't do the thing you just described. That is some double think if I've ever seen it.
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@Greyparrot
The only Tribe Trump believes in is the American Tribe.
You can't actually believe that do you? He is constantly trying to divide people. Mexicans are rapists. Protesters are terrorists. Democrats are traitors. etc. It is his bread and butter.
If the academic Marxists can tie skin color into class like Biden did saying "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" then any Marxist will support race-baiting. It's a convenient Alinsky tool the Marxists can use to seize power.
lol do you actually believe that biden is a marxist? He is basically a republican. If biden is a marxist to you, then the entire country is.
BLM is a tool for Marxists and is actually founded by, funded by, and run by Marxists. Go read their manifesto on their website. "Economic injustice" is a core Marxist belief.
you haven't explained why you think economic justice is marxist. Every country in the history of the world has had issues with economic injustice. The vast, vast majority of them were not marxists.
Go study up on Marxism, specifically the part where the proles seize power from the bourgeoisie.
ok. the american "proles" rose up and seized power from the british. Are they marxists too? Rising up against injustice does not make you a marxist. It sounds like you don't actually know what marxism is and just use it as a term to attack people who disagree with what you want. So even right wing people like Biden become "marxist".
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