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@TheDredPriateRoberts
right so if you expand that a tad and apply it to Congress and the Senate then you can see it's the government vs the people
Lol, what? that doesn't even make sense. The police and congress are 2 very separate entities.
you must have missed where I talked about sheriffs who are often elected to their positions and who's purpose is to uphold the constitution/b.o.r. not write b.s. tickets or enforce victimless crimes, would that be so bad?
probably, yeah. turning enforcement of the law into a popularity contest is a terrible plan.
Consider this for a moment if you can, the recent unconstitutional orders state governors etc have used and enforced, not all police went along with those, so where theses orders just to see how much of the police force was loyal to the government?
what unconstitutional orders?
The government, state or otherwise can't enforce laws without people with guns loyal to them and willing to do their bidding.
ok, but without those "people with guns" to enforce the laws, society fails to function, crime runs rampant.
ever wonder why all the old silly laws rarely get removed from the books but so many get added every year.
no. Removing laws off of the books is time consuming and can be expensive. since it is far easier to just not enforce them, people will often go for that option. new laws get added because that is exactly what governments are there to do. They legislate.
globalism has massively improved the standard of living in most of the world.it sure has, China is a prime example of that isn't it. though all the people who lost their jobs might not thing it's such a great thing.
the standard of living in america has increased in the last 50 years. China has improved alot too. since their standard was so much lower, their improvement is more dramatic. But if we didn't have global trade the standard of living would be lower. People can afford the amenities like cards, computers, foods etc because the costs to manufacture those goods are so much lower. you take away globalization and some more people get to work in factories, but people can no longer afford things because the prices double or triple.
whose main goal is to keep themselves rich and you poor.that is so sadly very true and that is a huge problem we find ourselves in right now, wouldn't you agree?
yes
Pelosi isn't shy to how off her wealth. How about the Clintons?
totally agree. the dem establish (and certainly all of the republicans too) or usually pretty rich.
can't help to laugh every time I heard that term used for anyone who's become rich off tax payer money or by taking advantage of their position.
do you think that this is somehow only a democrat problem? The republicans are just as corrupt, if not more so. that is why we need candidates like bernie sanders who don't have those corrupt connections.
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@Greyparrot
You misspelled indoctrination by state fiat.
it is a fact that as education and level of wealth increase, populations start to lean democrat more than republican. For some farmer in the middle of nowhere, what use does he have for a government improving the lives of people in cities. But for people who live in cities, have more education and a higher standard of living, they tend to understand the massive benefits of government programs.
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@ILikePie5
It’s a simple question. Do you support the violent protests: burning property down, looting, etc or no? Yes or No would suffice. I say no.
that question is designed to be extremely loaded, and therefore it is stupid. Do you support people laying down and dying while being murdered by the police? a yes or no would suffice.
see how phrasing questions that way is useless?
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@Greyparrot
Democrat-run areas are virtual death camps right now and your head is in the sand.
there are some harder hit areas, sure. Those areas tend to vote democrat because urban areas tend to be higher educated and the more education an area has, the more likely it is to vote democrat. causation does not equal correlation.
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@ILikePie5
The Flu has vaccines, Coronavirus does not. The Flu infected 30 million people in the USA but only 30-60k died because of the vaccine.
i think you are confused. the flu only infected 30 million people because of the vaccine. The people the vaccine worked on never got the flu. therefore they are not part of that 30 million. 30-60k of the people who did get the flu (because they weren't vaccinated or got a new strain) died because the flu is much more mild and only kills roughly 0.1% of the people who get it. Corona virus is much more deadly, it kills 0.6%-3% of the people who get it.
You’re making a false comparison between death rates because one has a vaccine and one doesn’t
a vaccine has nothing to do with the death rate. Either it works and they don't get the disease, or it doesn't and it is meaningless. either way it doesn't affect the death rate.
If a vaccine for the flu didn’t exist the numbers would be much much higher.
in raw numbers, sure. If 100 million people got the flu, then 0.1% of that number would be more people dying. but it would still be 0.1% of the people who get the flu dying, as opposed to the corona virus that kills 0.6% - 3% of the people who get it. IE the corona virus is 6-30 times more deadly.
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@Greyparrot
If I was a Democrat right now, I would be reevaluating why I allow the monkeys in charge to put me at such risk.
true. the president has massively failed, along with lots of other politicians (both dems and republicans). It only further reinforces why america needs universal health care.
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@ILikePie5
A good portion of the deaths come from nursing homes after Democratic governors like Cuomo and Whitmer decided to send those infected with COVID into nursing homes. But ya tell me why it has more deaths when literally the most vulnerable are being exposed to it.
this was a really irrelevant segue. My point is that covid is much more deadly than the flu, which i backed up with stats. your response was "well look at what an evil democrat did!!!". Your response had nothing to do with the conversation, all you were trying to do was point fingers and make it a partisan issue.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
You don't see this kind of explosive outburst if this was just an isolated incident and no one was upset before this.was the time before this on the "isolated incident"? how about the one before that? and before that?
you missed my point. I'm saying this is not an isolated. The underlying anger and rage is because this stuff is happening all the time.
The fact that these are people hired to protect the people and they are instead murdering them certainly makes it worse.I see so if he had been murdered by another black man, eh chalk that up to just another murder? how many degrees of murder are there that some are worse than others?
murder is always bad. But if it is a regular citizen committing the crime, the system is much more likely to arrest them and deal with the situation. When it is a cop, the system tries to protect them and shield them from the consequences. That is much worse.
what, the power to kill people on the street?the power to run and control their own lives, not everyone wants the government to do it for them like most liberals.
there are thousands of years of human history where there were no professional police services. Crime was rampant. The only people who got justice were the rich and powerful. I have no idea why you would want to go back to that.
There needs to be much greater civilian oversight of the police.lol isn't that what elected officials are supposed to do?
theoretically, but in practice no. Crimes committed by the police are investigated by other police. The punishments are often determined by still different police. There are civilians involved in the process, but ultimately, the police investigate themselves.
hey maybe we should expand government and they could increase the police force like they have been doing, seems to be working right?
this has nothing to do with what i am talking about.
more nanny state that will fix it, more globalism too, look how much that has helped the poor over the many years.
globalism has massively improved the standard of living in most of the world. The main issue is still that corruption from rich oligarch's keep much of the wealth in only a few people's hands.
you should really rethink your political ideology maybe.
I have. A government that relies on the support of the people is much more inclined to listen to the people than corrupt oligarch's whose main goal is to keep themselves rich and you poor.
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@Greyparrot
Liberal: The government needs more power.Also liberal: Government gives the police too much power.
lol you are aware that the police and government are 2 separate entities right? Also, I didn't say the police had too much power, i said they need more oversight from civilians.
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@ILikePie5
You’re literally proving my point. One has a vaccine and one doesn’t. For the one with a vaccine 30-60k people STILL died. Comparing the death rates of a disease with a vaccine and one without makes YOU look silly.
The flu vaccine only protects against previous strains, it does nothing to prevent new ones, and there are new ones all the time. So the vaccine is only ever going to be partially effective. The reason the flu kills so many people is because there is nothing that we can do to prevent it. It spreads unchecked infecting 10's of millions of people. 0.1% of those 10's of millions die from it. If we didn't go into lockdown, those 10's of millions would have gotten covid. 0.6.% - 3% would have died. probably on the higher end because once it spread that far the healthcare system would have collapsed from the strain and people who might have survived would have died (like what happened in Italy). so where 30k people die of the flu, you would be looking at potentially millions dying from covid. Even with the most serious disease fighting measures in history, over 100,000 are already dead and that number is still going to continue rising.
Covid is much, much more dangerous than the flu. Pretending like it is just like the flu is childish.
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@ILikePie5
A 46 year old cop had 18 previous complaints with internal affairs. He was punished for 2 of them, both of which were "a reprimand".Your buddy Amy K didn’t prosecute him. But yes continue to blame it on racists.
I think Amy klobochar is trash. why would you think she's my "buddy"?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
where was the anger before this murder, and the anger before that and so on and so on.....
the anger was already there. You don't see this kind of explosive outburst if this was just an isolated incident and no one was upset before this.
is the anger only when it's done by someone in charge of protecting the public? why is that do you think?
The fact that these are people hired to protect the people and they are instead murdering them certainly makes it worse. The fact that those in charge of enforcing the laws then work together to protect the criminals (since they are cops) makes it much, much worse. Because then the system doesn't actually correct the problem, it protects and intensifies the problem.
There is a culture among police where they stick together and protect their own. This system regularly allows cops to break the law, even murder people, and walk away scot free.it's almost like they have too much power right? it's almost like the people should have the power right?
what, the power to kill people on the street? Of course not. That is going backwards, not forwards. There needs to be much greater civilian oversight of the police. Allowing them to exist in their own little bubble where they only answer to themselves is a serious problem.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
as I said "the messages from different organizations and "authorities" seem to contradict each other."
so? there is insufficient information to determine what the objectively "best" policy is. That leads to different people coming to different conclusions. That is totally normal.
you see governor blackface has made it a crime NOT to wear a mask, however https://youtu.be/NUHsEmlIoE4 that was from March 8th,
again, so? There is insufficient information to determine what the objectively "best" policy is. So governments are doing the best they can to keep their people safe based on what information they have.
then https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/27/dr-fauci-intv-coronavirus-wear-mask-sot-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/ and when you add in the WHO recommendation you don't find it contradictory?
it's pretty much the same answer. there is no conclusive "right" answer. If there were an infinite number of masks available and everyone knew how to use them correctly (and actually did that) then i'm sure it would be an easy recommendation that everyone should use them. But there is a critical shortage of masks, so encouraging private citizens to buy them up when medical professionals (who are at much higher risk) need them desperately. And people aren't using them correctly, which massively undercuts their usefulness and might theoretically increase people's risk.
Life is complicated. There isn't a single, cut and dry, best answer that everyone should do. You are trying to paint that as some sort of failure or problem, but this is just the nature of the real world we live in.
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@Greyparrot
I am pretty sure all 2.7 million Americans that died last year before Corona was discovered had fears of death at some point, but we did not shut the country down with an Authoritarian government. Our rights did not end where the fears of 2.7 million Americans began.
Because last year's number of people dying wasn't fundamentally different from the year before, or the year before that. A certain level of death among mortals is normal. Covid is not normal. If it had been allowed to spread unchecked we would be looking at deaths in the millions from just Covid alone. That is why lockdowns were absolutely needed. Without them the medical system would have been overwhelmed and collapsed and the mortality rate would spike as there isn't enough to go around. The reason you are able to sit there and underplay how bad covid is, is because the lockdowns have worked.
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@RationalMadman
These riots are going to help Coronavirus spread so rapidly in US vs before, I pity those in Minnesota doing the right thing and staying home being safe or being healthcare workers and shopkeepers among the riots, I am so sorry for them.
They are literally being murdered by the people in charge of protecting them. If that isn't a cause for anger, i don't know what is.
You do not defeat barbaric cops by being barbaric populace, this fuels exactly what they want in order to fight back. You must be smart and patient, play this legally and get the murderer put behind bars.
The problem with that line of thinking is that it requires the system to actually work and punish them. History has proven that in many, many cases that simply doesn't happen. There is a culture among police where they stick together and protect their own. This system regularly allows cops to break the law, even murder people, and walk away scot free. They get a slap on the wrist (sent home with pay, short suspension), then a few months later once the heat has died down they are back on the street abusing people even more. Chauvin is a good example of this. A 46 year old cop had 18 previous complaints with internal affairs. He was punished for 2 of them, both of which were "a reprimand".
People know that cops won't be punished for this shit unless national attention is drawn. Otherwise the issues usually just get quietly swept under the rug. So playing it "smart and patient" just ensures that nothing ever gets done.
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@Alec
I'm on the fence about private prisons, but they're murderers and rapists that we're talking about. Given how much the left respects women, they ought to respect them by punishing the rapists pretty harshly.
I do not accept that people ever give up their human rights under any circumstances. Once you accept that it is alright to farm people for meat because they are bad, how bad their have to be to cross that line is now a very dangerous point. Historically the law has been used by the rich to punish the poor and protect their own power. I reject any attempt to expand that power above what is necessary.
I mean, i know many republicans are heartless, money driven assholes. But you have just transitioned to fictional super villain levels of evil.Poor conduct.
You want to farm people for meat.... that is some cartoony levels of evil. I don't know what else to call it.
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@Greyparrot
I just don't understand the complete authoritarian lockdown accompanied with wall to wall panic coverage when nature does what she always does culling the sick, the old, and the weak as she has done for a billion years. It's like people are not even aware 2.7 million people die naturally (and normally) every year in America.
if you can't understand why people don't want to be very, very sick and/or die, then no one is going to be able to explain it to you. Covid makes alot of people extremely sick and requiring hospitalization. It makes alot of people die. It is many, many times more dangerous that the kinds of diseases that happen every year,.
What is so special about 2020 that makes the world immune from basic Darwinian principles?
what makes 2020 different is that we are dealing with a MUCH more dangerous disease than normal.
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@ILikePie5
I’m telling you that people still died even with a vaccine. You blame it on the different mutations of the flu. I said that coronavirus also mutates so it’s a pretty similar comparison.
I never said a cororna virus couldn't mutate. I said that corona virus and influenza are very different diseases, which they are. Comparing them is comparing apples and oranges.
if it was very effective, people wouldn't die from the flu. It is moderately effective at preventing previous strains from coming back. but since there are new strains every year, i wouldn;'t say it could ever be "very effective".30-60k people dying out of 30-60 million cases is very very effective. 0.001 death rate is very effective imo. But once again we differ on semantics.
the death rate of people infected has nothing to do with vaccines. If someone got the vaccine and it worked, then by definition they never got the disease and aren't in those stats (because they never got infected). It seems like you don't actually understand the stats you are using. The point is that 0.1% of people who get the flu die from it. 0.6%-3% of people who get corona die from it. That is 6 - 30 times more lethal than the flu. Comparing them is like comparing how lethal a wiener dog is to how lethal a bear is. It just makes you look silly.
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@Greyparrot
Bruh you’re the one that’s claiming viruses don’t mutate when they do
no i didn;t. Do you just make stuff up for fun?
Flu vaccine was very effective and still 30-60k people died.
if it was very effective, people wouldn't die from the flu. It is moderately effective at preventing previous strains from coming back. but since there are new strains every year, i wouldn;'t say it could ever be "very effective".
edit, sorry grey parot i hit reply to the wrong person.
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@Dr.Franklin
2.they do want riots, it gets the people rowled up
that doesnt make sense.
so many more whites are shot by cops
How many are chocked to death on the ground after "resisting arrest"?
4.he absolutely said some things offensive, he praised fidel castro, told blacks to be at up cops and much more
and that has something to do with kneeling because? Face it, a black man chose to kneel and the right lost their shit and couldn't stop crying. They need their safe space where black men do as their told.
5.im talking about the people at the top, a divided nation helps them with their goals
and riots hurt their authority and their pocket books. Riots and bad for business. they do not want them. They do want police to keep the poor in their place, so they have no issue with them murdering black people.
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@Dr.Franklin
2.To keep a divided populous, ever heard of a term "divide and conquer"
Yes. but that doesn't mean they want riots. Riots represent the loss of governmental control. Riots mean the government cannot control it's citizens. They love playing partisan games to play people off each other, but that doesn't mean they want cities burning.
3.blacks are more likely to get in violent confrontations with the police than whites thus are shot at a rate higher than whites but whites are less times to get in a violent confrontation and are still shot more proportionally
but blacks are much more likely to be met with a violent or confrontational attitude from police than white people. So those stats are fucked. It's easy to say black people get in more violent confrentations, because police are much more likely to provoke black people or just lie and say they were violent when they weren't. As is the case in point. The police reported he was resisting arrest, that was a lie. If he hadn't died he would just have been another stat of a "violent black man". Since he did die, everyone knows he is a murder victim.
4.exercise all the rights you want,we have the absolute right to criticize it and call it complete and utter bullshit, which it is, oh and the dems do cry
lol you can't handle a black man kneeling. He didn't say anything, he didn't even do anything rude or offensive. He simply knelt down. the easiest possible thing in the world to ignore. but instead the right cried and cried and cried about it.
5.humans beings have motives that benefit themselves
true. like not being murdered by police. The protesters are trying to benefit themselves and their families by actually getting that right.
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@Dr.Franklin
2.the government wants riots not police brutality, they arrested someone who defended their livelihood from rioters
why would the government want riots? that doesn't even make sense. The police are the enforcement arm of their power. They don't want to do anything that could undermine that power. So they don't care what the police do, they don't care about black people or their rights.
3.all things consider which means violent confrontations with police per capita by race-whites are more affected
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
4.are you joking? everybody was tolaking about it and protests were happening but kapernick DISRESPECTING our flag and our veterans when they did nothing wrong is terrible, he is kneeling right in front of veterans who are bearing the flag, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICE BRUTALITY
he knelt down. He didn't spit in their face. He didn't say anything negative about them. He knelt to draw attention to police brutality. The right loves to accuse dems of crying, but kapernick is a perfect example of the right crying their little eyes out because someone chose to exercise their rights.
5.The goals of the protesters from what I can tell, is anti white and anti-cops in general, riots are EXACTLY what the gov wants so congrats, your fueling J.P morgans next bog check!
lol so the goals of people you have never spoken to and know nothing about, must be that they are evil people and therefore are bad. you aren't even pretending like you think they are human beings with their own motives and rights.
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@Greyparrot
Even if your worst-case suggests 200k deaths form COVID, which is a highly suspect number considering all the cases of deaths reported WITH COVID being added to the numbers of death FROM COVID...
the current numbers are almost certainly low. Since the tests are/were in such short supply, they didn't bother testing alot of dead people because they didn't even have enough for the living.
We are talking about an increase from 2.7 million to 2.87 million dead a year. That's a 4% increase in morbidity, and the country is supposed to go into a tailspin panic over that?
The mortality rate of the seasonal flu is about 0.1%. The mortality rate of corona virus is still a bit hard to say and varies based on how well countries have contained it. But numbers vary from 0.6% to like 3%. That is 6 - 30 times more deadly than the flu. Where the hell did you get 4% from?
People are outraged because WHO and people in the media told them to be outraged. This level of panic isn't universal across the globe. America has gone full crazy with the authoritarian lockdowns, mostly triggered by US corporate media with the wall to wall panicporn coverage.
are you kidding? America has done the bare minimum. In alot of places they didn't even bother with the bare minimum. That is why the US is now the epicenter of the epidemic.
Even if the numbers are fairly close to seasonal flu, Panicporn media certainly won't allow the public to know that as it will directly lead to a mob riot against authority for overreacting and the media itself for instigating the whole scam.
the numbers are nowhere near to close to the seasonal flu. something like 6 - 30 times more deadly.
I heard some protesters actually smashed some windows out at CNN's headquarters. Your temple is under assault HB. Are you not concerned?
I don't even watch CNN. I've told you that already. But you don't actually care about facts or reality, do you?
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@ILikePie5
What makes you think a coronavirus vaccine would be effective then lol. The seasonal flu and the coronavirus are both viruses that can mutate.
one is influenza, the other is a corona virus. They are not particularly similar. That's like saying humans a kangaroo's both walk on 2 legs so they must be exactly the same.
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@Dr.Franklin
1.they were absolutely going to take their guns, it failed in the vrigina senate
lol no
2.the issue was never resolved though and it lead to more crime and more racial unrest. The gov wants races divided
ok, all the more reason why the people have to force the government to take action. You acknowledge the government wants the police to abuse black people, but then condemn black people for trying to do something about it?
3.Blakcs have all the rights in America, this is a ethical police issue, nothing to do with race as all variales considered(crime,per capita)whites are more affected
on paper, sure. In practice, hell no. If the police systematically treat people of different races differently, then those races do not have the same rights.
4.MLK respected america and brought justice for all, CRAPernick keeled for the anthem that respects veterans and stands for freedom.Bad analogy
Kapernick tried to bring attention to the police murdering people and abusing people. Kneeling is the absolute, bare minimum people could do to try to draw attention to the issue. If even that is too much for you, then there is nothing they can do short of violence.
5.the people in power want this, they need a divided population for their goals, dont feed into it, the people in power want riots, they WANT a divided america and not a united one where we stand for justice against bad cops and stand for unity
Exactly, which is why we all need to support the goals of the people protesting. We need to demand that real action be taken, which is exactly what the protesters are doing. By condemning people fighting for their rights, all you are doing is making sure people stay divided.
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@Greyparrot
lol, Pretty sure 600-800k people don't die to Covid.
The flu killed 34,000 people in the US in last year's flu season. Covid has already killed triple that (102,000) and we are not even half way through the year yet. So even with historic levels of preventative measures being taken to prevent the spread of Covid, it is killing, far, far more people than the flu.
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@ILikePie5
The seasonal flu also has a vaccine and still 50-80k die lol
No. The seasonal flu mutates constantly. Vaccines only ever cover previous strains. Since it is constantly changing, they never fully effective.
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@Greyparrot
Where's your yearly outrage over the flu deaths as people walk around spreading it to old people with co-morbidities?
Covid has a mortality rate roughly 10 times higher than the seasonal flu. The two are in completely leagues.
Oh yeah, CNN forgot to signal the right time for your outrage. Or did they?
I don't watch CNN.
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@Dr.Franklin
not true, the virgina gun rally racked up so much news coverage and was peaceful
true, but they were protesting something that doesn't exist. No one is taking their guns. A man actually was murdered by the police. and it happens fairly regularly and most people (especially on the right) completely ignore it.
the riots in 2016 happened and it seems that nothing changed?
true. it brought attention to the issue. but the urge to ignore it and paper over the issue is extremely strong in the halls of power. They don't want to address the regular abuses of police. They need to understand that unrest isn't going to stop until it is addressed.
what about MLK, rosa parks, etc
important steps on a long road. But the history backs up the idea that until it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that the issue needs to be addressed, the rights of black people is pretty well always overlooked.
mlk laughs at you,rosa parks laughs at you, violence destabilize a movement
because peaceful attempts have been so successful? colin kaepernick is an excellent example of a completely peaceful protest. the right vilified him and basically ran him out of his career. They would rather black people be murdered by the police than allow a man to kneel.
so many good people have gotten their message across without violence
in some cases, this is true. But unless the people in power decide it is necessary to actually address the issue, they will do nothing. There is decades of history backing that up. It is only when they have no choice that they will act. Burning police precincts are a pretty clear sign they need to act.
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@Dr.Franklin
Justice for floyd by...looting the neighborhood and black zones
Why do you think everyone in a large and diverse group is exactly the same? There will always be bad actors in every group imaginable. Those people have very, very good reasons to be angry. There have been many attempts to protest peacefully that are completely ignored or actively suppressed. When the problem doesn't get better and peaceful attempts to draw attention to the issue go nowhere, what other option are you leaving but violence?
Some of the people in those crowds are thugs looking to burn stuff or just steal stuff. Alot of them are otherwise law abiding citizens who realize that unless they use violence, no one will ever listen to their voices and their friends and families will continue to suffer or be outright murdered, as happened in this case.
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@ILikePie5
We just differ on semantics.
no, being deathly ill and requiring hospitalization is very much not semantics. The risk of spreading a potentially fatal illness to my loved ones is absolutely not "fine".
Plus I already said that we have to be more careful around vulnerable populations. After you get cured and you have antibodies, you’re practically chillin
there is no evidence of that. There have been documented cases of people getting corona virus multiple times. So no, getting it does not mean you can't get it again.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
basically if you can breathe comfortably, it's not working for you.
ok, then maybe i understood your opening statement. the "um, what?" made it sound like you either didn't understand or you thought this was a crazy statement. However everything you just described basically backs up the statement they made. So i fail to see what your point was in this thread.
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@ILikePie5
How is it not true lol. If it won’t kill you you’ll be fine lol
my definition of "fine" does not include hospitalization and struggling to breath as I potentially infect everyone I love and quite possibly kill them. If that is "fine" to you, then you are a very strange person.
There is a very big gap between dead and "fine".
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
They're saying that they aren't certain that having the public wear masks will actually help. Having seen some people wearing masks and how they use them, i'm not sure they're wrong. I've watched several people lift up their mask to rub their face (because it is hot under the mask) then put it back. So if regular people don't use the masks correctly, they don't provide much benefit, they could even theoretically make it worse.
But primarily they are saying that giving these masks to regular people when there is a critical shortage for front line workers only endangers the front line workers potentially making the crisis worse. They are saying that the primary focus for PPE (personal protective equipment) needs to be front line workers.
I am not necessarily arguing that they are correct. but you seem to be confused by what they are saying.
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@ILikePie5
I think we honestly will be fine. Around half of the deaths were exclusive to nursing homes
the reason for that is that if you have enough equipment, like ventilators, you can keep younger people alive even if though it makes them horribly sick. The reason that they have been able to keep it in check is because the number of infected has been kept mostly under the threshold of completely overwhelming the medical system. If that happens, you will huge spikes in deaths among younger people. And as the lock downs wind down and people refuse to social distance, it is very likely the infection rate will spike.
plus the death count is likely inflated due to the fact hospitals get more resources for having Corona deaths. But who knows. My college is opening.
no, if anything the stats are probably too low. Lots of people have reported that they simply didn't have enough tests, so they didn't bother wasting them on corpses. So lots of people died in cases that might have been corona, and they simply didn't check due to lack of resources.
you’re healthy you realistically should be fine as long as you wash your hands etc.
no, this is quite simply not true. 1) corona virus can still be a horrible, debilitating disease in a significant percentage of people who get it even if it doesn't kill you. 2) basic prevention methods obviously help, but they are in no way guaranteed to protect you.
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@Christen
So we can argue all day about whether or not he deserves the power that we have given him, about whether he is competent or worthy of that power, but ultimately, his power comes from us.
you kind of miss my point though. We could elect a chicken president, but since it has no concept of what that power is, or how to use it, it in fact has no power at all. Trump is like the chicken. He is an imbecile. He has no real concept of how to get things done. He doesn't understand the limits of his power, or even what his job is. He fails to understand basic principles of reality (like don't drink cleaning products or you can't nuke a hurricane).
You are correct that his power comes from the people who elected him. But his ineptitude means that this power is largely wasted as he can't use it. Therefore he is not "the most powerful person in history of the universe". He is a man-child who has been placed into high office and is proceeding to throw tantrums when he can't get his way.
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@Greyparrot
this is, in no way, a response to what i said. The website was bad, that has nothing to do with obamacare's underlying plan being flawed because A) obama based it on a right wing plan, and B) republicans did everything they could to sabotage and undermine it.
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@Greyparrot
When everyone is a racist, noone is a racist.
lol, not everyone is racist. Trump is super racist. Biden is kinda racist. That is 2 people. But I realize that you need to believe that everyone is terrible in order to allow yourself to support the racist man baby.
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@Greyparrot
Obamacare was a republican plan ...Pelosi drafted it while Republicans voted against it. What kind of fake news are you listening to?
it's a slightly modified version of a plan from a right wing think tank and Mitt Romney. It is a republican plan. But they didn't make any attempt to discuss the plan with Obama and come up a version they could live with. They just systematically undermined it guaranteeing that millions of people would fail to get healthcare.
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@Greyparrot
Was Trump a racist the 8 years he was a registered Democrat under the W. Bush Administration?
yes, of course he was. I already established he was committing crimes by discriminating against black people back to the 70's.
I thought registered Democrats can't be racist.
Clearly you don't pay attention to anything I say. I have already confirmed that Biden is a racist. How many more dems do you want me to list off by name? But i suppose it is easier to just use straw man arguments and try to talk past me than to actually respond to things I say.
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@ILikePie5
HB is a leftist hack. He’s probably gonna vote Biden but he’s too much of a pussy to admit it here
Biden is terrible. He is still an objectively better choice for america than Trump. Whether or not leftists hold their nose and vote for one corrupt rapist over the other is a decision that many will need to make.
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@Vader
Not to mention Obamacare does nothing for Middle Class who struggle by paying fully for taxes and receiving very little compensation.
agreed. Obamacare was a republican plan that the democrats picked because they foolishly thought republicans would support their own plan. It doesn't go anywhere near far enough to fix the problem. It was, at best, a half measure designed to treat some of the symptoms while doing absolutely nothing to address the underlying problems.
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@Greyparrot
So what..more than 5 democratic presidents inherited economies where black unemployment was falling. What is the excuse?
what are you talking about? what excuse? America has been trying to move forward from massively systemic racism for decades. That takes time, alot of it. So yes, trump inherited a great economy and a situation in which black people's lives were improving. I don't see any way that this says anything at all about trump's blatant racism.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, I just now saw his non-response explaining why FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton had booming economies, some more than Trump at some points, yet they were not able to replicate the Trump unemployment numbers at any point for Black Americans.
You are trying to compare apples to oranges. The american economy, and society is constantly changing. Comparing black unemployment numbers while 40 years ago to today is useful in some metrics, but to use them to say whether a president is racist or not is a complete joke.
Trump inherited an economy on the rise where black unemployment was falling. that trend continued during his presidency and he wasn't able to pass anything (due to incompetence) to derail that. That does not mean that he is somehow a friend to black people. That doesn't undo his lifetime of racism.
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@Greyparrot
He has a 3-year recent history of being a terrible racist. Not a single Trump policy has hurt minorities.
he hasn't been able to pass very much because of massive incompetence. That's like saying i did 1 whole thing today, and not one of them was a crime.
There is nothing new that we have learned about Trump since he has become president. Trump has consistently been who he now is for more than forty years.
fair. He was a lying, misogynistic racist when he was elected. He still is.
So, the question that I ask Black America and White liberals is this: When did Donald Trump suddenly become a racist? Before he entered the world of politics, he was branded as the life of the party; now that he is president, he is being branded as a racist.
he's been a racist for years, his entire adult life. I mean trump was sued back in the 70's by the justice department for illegally blocking black people from living in his buildings. This isn't some new conspiracy that is being brought up. I mean he wanted the (wrongfully accused) central park 5 executed. He repeated that belief even after DNA evidence exonerated them. He is a long standing racist.
The obvious answer to my question posed here is that Trump and his relationship with minorities is very complicated, but the lazy media keeps trying to proffer simplistic answers to a complicated issue.
by complicated you mean "he has done many, many blatently racist things" but he also does some not blatantly racist things when he can profit from it. Oh yes, his greed perfectly counters his racism. What a saint.
When exactly did Trump become a racist?
Since at least the 70's. But probably his entire life.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
America has seen booming economies under many Democrat Presidents, yet nowhere near the unemployment numbers for blacks that Trump was responsible for during his tenure.Exactly how did those Democrat presidents fuck up where Trump succeeded? Let's hear the excuses.
I don't even understand the question. Obama was handed a disaster from his republican successor. He turned that into a massive success. Trump was handed a massive success and no crises had emerged during his entire tenure in office. He also didn't manage to pass virtually anything he wanted to do, so he didn't have much of a chance to affect the outcome. It's not that Trump has somehow succeeded where others have failed, it's that he was handed a winning economy and didn't do anything to affect it. Now he has had a crisis come up during his tenure and it has been a complete debacle.
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@Vader
His action haven't killed anyone. The coronavirus killed those people.
ok. but that's a bit like a teacher saying "i didn't kill the kid, the cracker he was choking on did. I just sat there and laughed at him". Technically the teacher didn't kill the kid, but they are damn sure responsible.
he knew about the virus. We was warned repeatedly. He chose to do nothing for weeks while other countries got ready. That inaction lead to deaths of thousands, maybe 10's of thousands.
So yes, corona virus killed them. But his actions (or lack thereof) allowed the corona virus to spread as badly as it has.
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@Alec
lol so in a society where people are already trying to turn the prison system into a profit making endeavor so they can get rich off the suffering of others, you want to literally harvest people for their blood and meat. I mean, i know many republicans are heartless, money driven assholes. But you have just transitioned to fictional super villain levels of evil.
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@Vader
Trump hires well rounded people around him. He surrounds himself with the right people. Trump has been a great president for his term. Democrats will take the Coronavirus and twist it into a Conservative thing
which "right" people are those? The nepotism that sees him hire he massively unqualified family members? The host of people who he's hired, then fired because they were terrible? One of the main feature of the current administration has been historic levels of turnover and constant in fighting and back biting.
He hasn't surrounded himself with the right people. He has turned the white house into a reality show where everyone has to fight each other and suck up to trump. He is a disaster of a president. And democrats don't have to "twist" anything about the corona virus disaster. Trumps actions have killed 10's of thousands of americans.
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@Greyparrot
Often that isn't their intention, but it is the outcome of their actions.There is an overwhelming amount of documentation showing the rise in fatherless black households correlated to the rise in direct welfare payments to black mothers.
I have never argued the current design of social programs is perfect. It is deeply flawed and needs reform. But cutting social programs and throwing those people out in the streets to starve is absolutely not going to improve the situation. and that is what much of the republican party would love to do. So if your options are bad social policies that keep people in poverty, or no social policies that will see your children starve, there really is no contest.
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