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@Double_R
Pick a topic.
I was referring to impeaching him again. If you want that to be the topic you’re welcome to send a challenge. Though it’s practically impossible for you to defend it. You had somewhat of an argument while he was President. Definitely not now though
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@Greyparrot
I admire your brevity.
That debate with him was so much fun. I deadass want to do it again
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@Double_R
If this were Obama or Clinton republicans would have absolutely lost their shit and every user here knows that. But it was Trump so they don’t care.
Why don’t you impeach him again :)
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If Glenn Youngkin uses this right, he will be the next Governor of Virginia.
Turns out NoVa voters aren’t fans of having the government prosecute them if they say school boards shouldn’t be supporting CRT
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@Greyparrot
The videos of the protesters harrassing Sinema in the bathroom and plane were hilarious. Senators from Arizona are the joke of both parties lmfao
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@Ramshutu
You appear to have missed the key point again; please refer to my old post; I’ve helpfully bolded the important parts.Republicans are leveraging the threat of catastrophic default - by filibustering debt legislation - in order to force democrats to use up their spending bill.
There is no leverage if Democrats and pass a bill anyways lol. Do Democrats really value a reconciliation that they could get the next FY over catastrophe? Apparently so.
It’s not that democrats “can just pass the bill” - republicans are holding up the debt ceiling to try and prevent the democrats from doing something.
You mean prevent them from passing trillions of dollars in radical legislation right? If Dems want that agenda covered in the future they can raise the ceiling themselves.
So yes - they are very much trying to hold the country hostage, and use the threat of default to get their way. And as bolded; the democrats have a very good reason to not give in, given that if they do, this will be the new norm each time the debt ceiling comes up (at least under a democratic president)
You didn’t read my response then. There is a mechanism around it. Use it. That’s why it’s there in the first half place.
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@Double_R
End of story? Why? Why is the Democrats failure to stop the default the story, but republicans actively causing it not?
Cause someone with the active power to stop it isn’t doing anything. If they’re gonna cry foul, it’s only credible if they can’t do anything about it. In this situation they can. If Dems want to spend more, they can pass legislation to enable them to.
If a terrorist kills a hostage, would you charge the hostage negotiator while letting the terrorist free?
This analogy is wrong on so many levels. Let me make it easier for you. Democrats are a sniper who has the terrorist in the scope with a shot ready, but choose not to kill the terrorist and would rather let the hostage die.
Ok, so what about the side that doused the house with gasoline and lit the match?
You mean the side that believes in fiscal responsibility right. Every Dem voted to raise the ceiling but most Republicans didn’t. Dems would rather let the country default than give up a mechanism to pass their radical legislation. They have no right to cry foul when they themselves wont do anything about it.
Or as always, they can negotiate like it has been previously done. But I suspect Dems don’t want to give up their ability to pass their radical agenda even though Sinema and Manchin won’t allow them anyways.
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@Ramshutu
Again; the Republicans decided that they will hold the US hostage to a catastrophic economic default in order to force the democrats to use up a reconciliation bill. They did this by filibustering the debt bill - even though there is absolutely no reason to do so - they can simply vote no and allow an up down vote.
Democrats have a mechanism to overcome the filibuster and they choose not to do it. If they want to spend more money, it’s only logical they raise the debt ceiling themselves.
Indeed - the republicans stopped when the democrats offered to pass legislation via removing the filibuster.This is 100% republicans trying to leverage catastrophic economic harm to try prevent the democrats from doing something. They should stood.
GOP has no leverage. Democrats can singlehandedly pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling.
The fact of the matter is there is great reason for it. If the democrats let the republicans hold the country hostage - it will happen again, and again and again and again. The Republicans will keep filibustering debt bills, and then claim this as a precedent.
And Democrats will raise it via reconciliation just like it’s been done for decades and vice versa.
You can’t hold someone hostage - and then blame the other side for not giving into your demands. Your logic is ridiculous.
GOP isn’t holding the Dems hostage. It’s like tying the Dems in a chair with a simple knot and the Dems don’t even try to untie it and escape.
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@oromagi
That was McConnell's plan. He has now agreed to postpone to December so not much need to use reconcilliation.
Well, not really. He made the deal so Dems get more than enough time to get debt ceiling reconciliation bill in the works. Just to alleviate some excuses
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@Ramshutu
Republicans can allow cloture and allow an up/down debt ceiling vote they can all vote no to. Why don’t they do it?
If Dems want to spend more they have to raise the ceiling by themselves. Pretty simple really.
Republicans can allow a vote to extend or suspend the debt ceiling to cover existing approved responsibilities - as democrats each time it was done during Trump; why not this time?The spending is already approved, right?
All I hear is excuses. Democrats can do it unilaterally, yet they choose not to. It’s like refusing to go buy milk unless Joe Biden gives me his approval. I don’t need his approval to go buy milk.
Why should democrats waste an opportunity to legislate in the face of Republican obstruction - simply because Republicans are threatening the country with a crippling default? What would stop trying to leverage a default next time?
Democrats can. GOP will just pass it under reconciliation lol. Again there is nothing preventing them from raising the ceiling on their own.
It’s like the Republicans have doused the house with Gasoline, and are holding a lit match; and your suggesting the fire will be the democrats fault for not running fast enough to fetch a fire hose.
Let me help you a little with the analogy.
Democrats are refusing to fetch a fire hose when it’s right next to them because they want to go to a party instead.
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@Double_R
So you blame Democrats for their failure to stop the republicans from sending the US into default. Ok.What about the republicans who sent the US into default?
Slowly moving the goalposts are we? Democrats have the ability to raise the ceiling by themselves, yet they won’t. End of story
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@Ramshutu
You can not prevent the other side from governing; and then claim it’s the other sides fault because they aren’t governing.
Democrats can raise the debt ceiling without a single GOP vote in the House and Senate. Why don’t they do it?
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@Greyparrot
McConnel is playing a weird game here with reconciliation. Reconciliation is like a Trump card to get around a filibuster, but it can only be used once per period.
Well actually they can pass 3 reconciliation bills - one each for revenue, spending, and debt ceiling. They’ve already used spending with the COVID package. They’ve already used Revenue and Spending with the COVID package. They gotta save this last one, or else they’d have to wait till FY2023
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@oromagi
By all means, use reconciliation to raise the debt ceiling. Waste of a reconciliation bill anyways
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@Double_R
If congress fails to raise the debt ceiling and the US defaults on its debts, who deserves the blame for this - Democrats or Republicans?
Democrats. They don’t need a single GOP vote in either the House or the Senate for them to raise the debt ceiling.
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Wtf Mesmer was perma banned? Such a shame
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@RationalMadman
what a stupid rule.
+1
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@Ramshutu
Can’t be that hard. I’m doing 16 hours with ECs and I’m sure I could mod
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Don’t stress too much my man. Never worth it
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@Greyparrot
I support RM
You mean I’m With Him
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@Wylted
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@FLRW
It actually says: Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
So where’s the indictment. Oh wait. No evidence .
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@949havoc
And had another some 530 successful businesses under the Trump Org umbrella. You figure out that success rate. Hint, it's nearly 99%, which outs it squaarely in world class territory. Is your business track record that successful? I'll bet not.
Any business major could tell you that. Just some more fake news
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Anyways I’m done here. If you don’t want to play in games or mod that’s your prerogative. Though I suspect you’ll be back sooner rather than later.
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@Lunatic
I didn't say I was lazy. I played whenever I had the time to do so. Your argument is absolutely horrible and its also a deflection from the fact that you chose to moderate poorly. But the fact that you think the only way to counter a town redirector is for mafia to have a strengthener that you hope isn't dead in order to even counter it proves my point alone. You simply don't know what you are doing. Rather than admit it, you just make yourself look dumber.
You literally said you were lazy in the Discord and wanted to concede because of it lol. You’re not even holistically considering the balance for the game. It was only a 2x Redirector and odds of them choosing the right person are just about the same as a Cop investigating a person innocent. And yes that’s how the balance worked this game. If I didn’t have the Strongman role/modifier, I’d agree it’s bastard, but I did have it. If the Redirector was unlimited I’d agree it was bastard, but it wasn’t. The game wasn’t broken. You screwed yourself over by killing Oro. I don’t have to follow the rules of other mods and neither do you. Deal with it.
I didn't play poker mafia.
My bad. Still doesn’t get over the fact you could’ve quit after reading the OP. Or the fact you could’ve asked questions rather than assume stuff. I thought I provided enough info, clearly I didnt, but you could’ve told me to clarify things. I can’t read your mind. Mods mod differently. If you don’t like it, don’t play, but this game as it was designed was far from bastard.
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@Earth
I'm reading this thread over a shot of everclear.
You gonna play in the next game? Kanye 2024
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@Wylted
I was using a lot of mod psychology. I also love the ideal of martyrs. It makes me think the Muslims are right, if somebody is willing to die for a belief, they must be absolutely certain of it.
Lmfao 😆
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@Lunatic
I literally watched like 30 minutes worth of this gay ass cartoon with episodes about darkus hydra for evil and well as read the whole wiki to make sure his role pm didn't have any immscuracies or discrepancies. And I figured out the theme split for this retarded ass cartoon. Doubt anyone else would have attempted that. On the contrary you are the lazy one since you think clarifying important role mechanics is not the job of the mod.
It was you who said that you were lazy, not me lmfao. It’s your job to research. And once again, I could’ve clarified it better but that doesn’t excuse you from assuming things. Cause when you do you look like the first 3 three letters.
The mime one wasn't even a mafia game, also we played it in live so I already knew the concept was pretty well thought out. He wasn't disguising it as mafia while fucking with the mechanics of how things commonly work.
I was referring to Poker as well. The mechanics weren’t normal. And we both questioned the mod when things seemed vague. You’re actually trying to justify why I should’ve read your mind and put everything out before hand. It’s simply impossible.
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@Lunatic
More denying responsibility that you added a wierd mechanic, worded it vaguely, and assumed I would pick up on some random word in the role PM. Anything to avoid responsibility. Usual pie.
I’ve already said I could’ve made it less vague by providing an example, but that still doesn’t absolve you of not asking questions because you were lazy.
No I wouldn't have. I refused to play disc's "bastard" games precisely because they were weird twists on mafia which I had no interest in playing.
You played in Bullish’s game with odd mechanics lol. I even said in the OP there are hidden mechanics in this game. You could’ve quit before the game even started.
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@Lunatic
You mod it wrong everytime then. And know I am not going to ask about some vague concept that could be theme related like wtf world would anyone ask about that? Your the mod. You tell the players how their role works instead of leaving them in the dark lol Especially if there is wonky mechanics.
I’m not psychic that I could predict all the questions you’re going to ask. Whiteflame was dealing with a new interpretation of Lover and he asked me a ton of questions for clarification. If you don’t know you ask, but you were lazy this game so you didn’t.
If there is wierd mechanics you should let players know before they sign up and waste their time.
There are weird mechanics in a lot of games. Even if I said it you’d still have played lmao
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@Lunatic
But still isn't how a strongman works as your own link pointed out so why the fvck I would assume it had uncanny characteristics? Regardless that is still beside te main point of how you mod town redirectors is absolutely fucking retarded.
Then maybe you should’ve asked like any normal human being would if you’re confused about what “modify” means lol. The point was the you could attach the modifier of not being blockable or redirectable to any action you take. I could’ve made it clearer and included an example but you still could’ve asked instead of assuming. And this is how I mod with Redirectors everytime lol. No mod mods the same way lol.
That doesn't refute the fact that this isn't how redirectors work. Whether he was out of redirects was beside the point, I might have continued to play even if he had unlimited redirects. It's the principal that you would design a town role that takes precedence over both mafia night kill and roleblock, and rather than admit you are wrong and change that mechanic, double down and defend it. I am not playing in fucking retarded silly games that play around with wierd mechanics. Waste of my time. You should tell people ahead of time that you are bastard modding if thats the type of game you are into so I don't have to aste my fucking time with it.
Again: you could’ve Strongarmed so I did give you a counter to account for my mechanic. If I didn’t give you the mechanic, I would be more sympathetic to your cause, but the way I designed this game, I specifically accounted for that. If you don’t like weird mechanics that’s on you.
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@Lunatic
Your own link clarifies that its a kill modifier btw. The way you made your strongman work is not how the strongman usually works. Which is fine, but acting as if it should have been obvious is just wrong and your own source is proof of that.
Your role clarified you can use it as a Modifier to another role in the Super JOAT lol.
And NP3? I can't attach a strongman because evil is dead. There is literally no counter to the redirector but praying that he doesn't redirect me into oblivion every night. Chances are he wouldn't have again, who knows, but it's the principal of the thing. The fact that you made a redirector invulnerable is absolutely autistic. I am asking max the question now to see what he says.
Well there’s a reason why he was only a 2x Redirector. And you could’ve still Strongman killed anyone of your choosing. The counter is still there.
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@Lunatic
Pie explained that the "strongman" could be used as a modifier to the roleblock to bypass that (that is not what a strongman does lmao), but it still only let's me counter one of you, and you were the unknown role at the time.
Strongarms go through even if you’re roleblocked. It’s not some unitary role that only bypasses Doctors lol. Here’s the description straight off MafiaUniverse:
“The Strongman will, if they perform a kill, have immunity against this action being manipulated with (including Roleblocker, Redirector, etc.) or protected against (including Bulletproof, Doctor, Bodyguard, etc.).”
If this was a normally modded game, I could kill you and block the redirector, but apparently redirector can somehow redirect both the kill and role block and if poly is using it on me everynight then there is literally no counter to that.
You weren’t able to NK anyways cause of the Virgin lol. And there is a counter - attach Strongman to your actions.
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@Lunatic
You doubled down on a losing argument because your a prideful piece of shit. No one mods like that. Go fuck yourself faggot cunt.
I don’t really care how others mod, cause this is how I mod and I’ve been fairly consistent with it.
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@Lunatic
Pie is literally sucking the fun out of this game for me anyway. I hope he chokes on trumps dick and dies, little faggot.
Have fun in Antarctica!
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@Lunatic
There is absolutely no fvcking world where a night kill and a roleblock don't supercede redirector. That is OP as fuh. The rest of the balance is whatever; I had mike explain it to you in detail that no one mods like that. If your going to give every town member a power role then you have to let mafia have a counter to them. It seems like you tried to do that here but the redirector thing you know you were wrong on and doubled down on because your a prideful sack of shit. Fuck you bro. You suck as a mod.
I’ve always modded based on how I described it to Mikal and you last night. And there was a counter. I don’t know what you’re talking about lol.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Polyglot
Endgame is up
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