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@Earth
I'm thinging about it, and while a suspect Savant will flip town, I think even if Savant is town, it greatly confirms Mharman.
If Savant is town, Mharman is town confirmed
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@WyIted
HIV doesn't lead to aids according to many people in the conspiracy circuits in the black community. So they encourage African Americans to go untreated and that they are being silly if they tell partner
You grew up in the ghetto didn’t you?
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@Lunatic
I am going to bed here soon. Yeah I am down with savant for the banana push. It will also confirm mharman if he is town, so its a win win.vtl savant
Correct, and it will implicate Wylted
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Wow Savant is so scummy. Banana has no reason to CC here as scum. I have meetings scheduled all morning so I’m going ti
VTL savant
VTL savant
I’ll try to get on before the DP ends of if I can
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@Casey_Risk
I'm kinda tired right now, both from work and little sleep, but I'm thinking I may have been right about Savant and Mharman the first time around, lol
Yep I’m done for the night too. We will vote tom morning so be there or be square
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I’m willing to bet money there’s at least one scum in Banana, Savant, Mharman, Wylted. Most likely Savant, Mharman, Wylted though.
That means there’s a chance there’s one scum in Luna, Casey, Earth, Mikal
I can see the Avoider and the BP together leaving Enabler and Doctor out. It makes the most sense to me
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1. Savant - Gram Negative - Salmonella - Doctor Enabler
2. Banana - Gram Positive - Bacillus - 1x Bulletproof
3. Casey_Risk - Gram Negative
4. Lunatic - Gram Positive
5. Earth - Gram Positive
6. Mharman - Gram Positive - Lactobacillus - Doctor
7. ILikePie5 - Gram Negative
8. Mikal
9. WyIted - Atypical - Mycobacterium - Avoider
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@WyIted
Is there organisms that help humans. Maybe the helpful stuff would be scum
Issue is that we are all Genera. The species can vary in how much harm they cause. Some species slim the genus are beneficial and some are not.
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I am cutting myself off at 12:30 btw. I should’ve gone to sleep 2 hours ago but you fuckers just kept me awake. I have an 8:30am meeting too. Fuck me
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@iamanabanana
Go ahead and say your role. Also make sure your paraphrase your justification.
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@WyIted
Given the claims we have seen so far the harm to humans may be the theme
But what distinguishes town vs scum?
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@iamanabanana
Do you want me to full claim?I guess it could be a situation like in caseys russian mafia where me and earth were both called the first tsars, so idk.Unvote for now.
I think you should tbh.
Luna, Casey, Wylted? What do yall think?
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Bacillus can be beneficial via probiotics to humans or it can be dangerous to humans via anthrax.
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@WyIted
@iamanabanana
Even if that is close to a CC there are still slightly more worlds where Savant is scum if we are using modal logic.
+1
Savant is always the lynch over Mharman
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@iamanabanana
Yeah... That claim is too close to mine.VTL mharman
Hold off for now. I would be available tomorrow morning though.
Technically Bacillus and Lactobacillus are different genera. I think we may need your role and justification to better understand things
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1. Savant - Gram Negative - Salmonella - Doctor Enabler
2. Banana - Gram Positive - Bacillus - ???
3. Casey_Risk - Gram Negative
4. Lunatic - Gram Positive
5. Earth - Gram Positive
6. Mharman - Gram Positive - Lactobacillus - Doctor
7. ILikePie5 - Gram Negative
8. Mikal
9. WyIted - Atypical - Mycobacterium - Avoider
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@WyIted
I like you kid
Love ya too <3
We for real like Elon and Trump (you’re Elon)
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@iamanabanana
Can you confirm you are not Lactobacillus
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@iamanabanana
1. Savant - Gram Negative - Salmonella - Doctor Enabler
2. Banana - Gram Positive
3. Casey_Risk - Gram Negative
4. Lunatic - Gram Positive
5. Earth - Gram Positive
6. Mharman - Gram Positive - Lactobacillus - Doctor
7. ILikePie5 - Gram Negative
8. Mikal
9. WyIted - Atypical - Mycobacterium - Avoider
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@iamanabanana
Wait! Where did mharman character claim? I see his claim on lists but I don't see the claim itself.
Let me post the claim list for you, one sec. He did end up clIming
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@WyIted
Why did you ignore my case on mharman? I understand he was cleared afterwards but why didn't you discuss its strengths? Its weaknesses? Your interpretation of it?
I actually did agree with you on Mharman but then I scumread you too, so I was confused on what to believe.
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@iamanabanana
Don’t say what you are, thanks for answering
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If it is Savant/Mharman/Wylted I’m going to laugh so freaking hard
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@Lunatic
What? Is your proposed scum team savant/wylted? I am confused.
Savant/X
Don’t know the partner yet.
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@Lunatic
You’re wasting your time responding to Wylted. Look at my most recent post
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
This is not how you play mafia.
I know, I’m working with all I have, and his justification reeks. WF is a detailed individual like me. No way he lets its slide like that.
Then explain how Savant is behaviorally different this game.
The whole fiasco about Wylted changing his playstyle and comparing it to you changing yours (you didn’t) and Savant changing his own (explainable due to Championships). Also he full claimed so easily, and I think he more so hid all of his information till the very end. Also the quickness to townread Wylted for being role confirmable but then voting me just now after I also said I was role confirmable. It’s blatant hypocrisy right there.
If one of them claims something protective, I'll reevaluate. Why haven't you tagged Banana yourself? Here, I'll do it for you. In the meantime, I'm working based off the info I have.
Banana shows up at night anyways and I’ve been juggling 50 things at once at work while trying to play this game.
Avoider really isn't all that different from Brave Townie imo. And it's not the only role where you have to select the NKer for it to be effective. Shield (on MafiaScum) is like that as well.
But it’s negative utility as well, which is the key differentiator. If Wylted chooses a Cop and Cop chooses him, Cop is effectively roleblocked. Shield and Brave Townie are solely positive utility for town.
Mine is actually super weak. And I'm not ignoring the case for scum Savant, I just believe in town Savant more. It's half deduction, half gut feeling.
Is it at the very least there? Savant’s isn’t even there. What microbes is he talking about? I couldn’t find anything on Google about it.
Since when do you care about being confirmable? Being confirmable means jack shit. Plus, you said it's mostly useless, right?
I’m pointing out Savant’s hypocrisy. He put Wylted in the 100% town pile after he claimed Avoider because it was role confirmable. Now after I claimed that, he doesn’t do that with me as well. Why?
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@Lunatic
When you’re caught up, list who you are willing to lynch and why
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@Savant
I don't think we're getting an Earth lynch this DP, and Pie is significantly better than nothing.VTL Pie
So you want to lynch me even though I claimed I have a confirmable role?
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@WyIted
WTF is wrong with you?WTF is Mycolic acid? WTF is a cell wall?!why do we have antibiotics and white blood cells if viruses can choose to avoid them anyway?Is even knowing what Mycolic acid is common knowledge? How did you figure this out?
You talked about cell wall and acid if I remember correctly. Antibiotics and WBCs I got from Google
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@Lunatic
Okay you two are town, or this is t he craziest mafia gambit I've ever seen.
If Mharman is scum, Savant is always scum.
If Savant is scum, Mharman can still be town
Justification for Savant is non-existent.
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@Casey_Risk
No, but again, Savant probably wouldn't be eager to straightclaim his scum character.
We’ll never know till he gets lynched.
??? I genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Savant hasn't been acting any differently in this game from what I've seen. The percentages thing is new-ish, but that started in the previous game, and it makes sense that he'd continue with it
??? You’re comparing my reaction to Earth last game and saying my play style is different because I didn’t react the same way towards Savant when Earth and Savant don’t play the same way.
They both have. Mikal is pure null for me, and you also townread Banana. Contradict yourself much?
I was referring to your balance argument. We don’t have the full picture if either or both of them are town.
Don't get too cocky.
I promise you that I’m not the lynch lol. It’s not going to happen
I just explained this... Character and balance...Pie's logic is so bad, lol
Again, character means jackshit. And I explained the balance argument to you about the negative utility aspect with the Doctor and its extreme weakness by needing to select the scum NKer to begin with. An Enabler probably makes the balance worse.
Also, are you just going to ignore my argument against Savant? Is your justification as weak as his? Because mine isn’t, Savant’s isn’t. Wylted’s is there via the mycolic acid in the cell wall to avoid the impact of the antibiotics and white blood cells
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1. Savant - Gram Negative - Salmonella - Doctor Enabler
2. Banana - Gram Positive
3. Casey_Risk - Gram Negative
4. Lunatic - Gram Positive
5. Earth - Gram Positive
6. Mharman - Gram Positive - Lactobacillus - Doctor
7. ILikePie5 - Gram Negative
8. Mikal
9. WyIted - Atypical - Mycobacterium - Avoider
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@Savant
In order it’s:
Pie
Mharman
Earth
Wylted
Banana
Lunatic
Casey
Mikal
Savant
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I always love how I’m scumread for initiating the game basically everytime.
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@Savant
Banana is your strongest town read despite having made two posts total?
It’s not in order.
If this is about RM's posts, I think they help banana, but it's not a lock. Don't see how it makes banana more towny than the only claimed doctor, a potentially confirmable role. Or stronger than anyone whose posted a lot more.
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@Casey_Risk
Okay, so one thing I couldn't help but notice about Pie is how he hasn't really taken into consideration my argument about Savant likely not faking his character in this game. Like I said:Hold on, I just realized that everybody knows Salmonella, so it's probably not a fake character claim, and I don't think Savant would be eager to straightclaim his character so early.
Doesn’t mean that he’s not scum. They have two fake characters to ask about plus their own characters. We can’t do theme analysis this early, so we’re stuck with behavioral analysis and PM justification.
This is significant, because in the last game, it was the main reason Pie was townreading Earth in spite of the evidence against him. And honestly, I'd say the case against Earth was about as strong as or stronger than the case against Savant right now. This feels like a change in playstyle for Pie.
That’s a false equivalency. Earth is Earth. His play style was exactly the way it was as town, which I explained to Mikal. In fact, I think I said that if Earth is scum, Survivor was the fake claim or he was claiming his true character. His behavior though matched his town behavior even though it was scummy. That characterization doesn’t exist with Savant.
The other argument of mine he hasn't responded to? Balance. I'm getting the feeling that Mharman, Savant, and Wylted really are all town, and part of that is balancing. Doctor is like Cop in that it's considered a pretty standard role, but it can also be very strong. The Enabler adds a bit of swing, but a role like Wylted's which can still potentially stop the NK even with the Doctor or Enabler dead helps prevent too much swing. It's actually some nice balance, and from what we've seen of WF so far, he seems to have the knack for it. Of course, this is all assuming everyone is telling the truth, but again, that's what my intuition is telling me.
I disagree. Wylted’s role is like a pseudo Bulletproof Ascetic in the sense that he has to choose the correct person + the fact that it can be negative town utility. Regardless, I’ve started to townread Wylted and I already townread Mharman, so they can exist. The Enabler doesn’t make sense to me at all. You’re also forgetting that Banana and Mikal haven’t checked in yet either, and as you said, we don’t know the roles.
Honestly, it might be way too early for me to narrow it down this much, but I get the feeling that the scum are among (Pie, Luna, Mikal). So yeah, I'm down to lynch Pie tonight. Even if he's town, it really helps with my PoE.
I’m not the lynch today. Plus my role is confirmable albeit it being useless till something happens. Move on.
Why do you townread Savant? What behavior or character/role/justification reason do you have?
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@WyIted
Forget about your justification, here are my town reads: Banana, Earth, Pie, Mharman, Wylted, Lunatic (weakest)
Everyone else: Mikal, Savant, Casey
My order to lynch:
Savant
Mikal
Casey
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@WyIted
I don't even see justification tbh. I got the paraphrase and that character description seems disconnected from the role altogether.Also aren't virus and disease synonyms?
Bacteria and Viruses are different technically speaking.
I know my girl is studying something related to medicine and I say I have the flu if I am sick and she seems to get upset and I explained to her that flu is just another word for sick and she lost her shit on me.
Valid
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@WyIted
I don't have a justification and I am going back and forth on savant because a lot of his thoughts mirror mine so it makes me not want to scum read him
Yes you do, you’re just doing a shitty job of explaining.
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@Earth
tbh, you might be barking up the wrong tree regarding Wylted. His justification makes sense. He just doesn't care if virus is the wrong terminology.
I know. I can see the justification but he’s just doing a shitty job of explaining it probably. Which pisses me off massively cause I care about the details and you assholes don’t, which is why we lost the last game
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@WyIted
You told me to paraphrase so I paraphrased. Obviously I don't know these terms well so I choose ones that I think are similar. I don't know the difference between virus or disease or illness. All of this is the same thing but you are getting a paraphrase.
🤦♂️
Forget I said anything, literally justification helps us catch scum. Mharman’s justification makes perfect sense. Mine makes sense. Yours is sorta there. Savant’s is non-existent.
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@WyIted
If TV is not a disease what is it?
You said WF said that TB was a virus in your PM. That is not true
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