ILikePie5

Is this a mistake in your chart? I don’t rember a bunny being an NPC

Feel like that can be said for every game of mafia 

Well, shame irontoaster didn’t use his bomb, would’ve taken one more scum with him. Here’s hoping he used his Poisoner wisely, but he was probably banking on getting protected and used his Cop. Oh well.

I visited Banana during the night. Entirely possible that scum bussed Vader by the end of the DP, but I’m sussing Banana at this point for trying to shift the lynch to me with such limited reasoning. I’d like to get her claim:

VTL Banana

Meh sounds like a fake claim honestly. Doesn’t do enough for me to clear the behavioral analysis. I’m good lynching ref today.

Idk this gen z lingo

Gotcha.I would say mine is more of a base item.

Vader: No there are no different tiers to this item

Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and appearantly I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category

Wait… what? How did you read your PM wrong lol

Vtl Vader

I didn’t read it wrong

My role should’ve been 1 word, not 2. I was confused cuz the wiki showed 1 but the PM showed 2. I asked a question and got a clarification. Didn’t read this wrong

This was pretty pushy of you to jump so fast…

You said in your pm it “looked like two words” when it was actually one. Were you drunk and had double vision? Bow you saying it’s a difference between the wiki. Get your story straight lol

I’m ngl when something is wrong I usually tend to say I was wrong. Kind of jumped the gun with this after mod clarification but he told me that he made a mistake with how it was worded. I was literally just about to post that before you made a post

Tbh call this omgus all you want but feel like Luna is trying to divert attention away from the pressure he’s facing from Mikal and trying to deflect it to someone else. He seemed extremely snappy to call that a “scum slip” and jump on it but I’ve seen in other games when that happened he didn’t jump as soon as possible. Slight fos kn that alone

Look Up antidote and tel me why campfire is the poison healer 

Kinda tilting that no one is listening about this campfire thing. It’s kinda damning and I’m about to crash out 

I visited Luna because they were most confidently town 

In your opinion, but it was also combined with the fact that I counter claimed him.

More than that a campfire isn’t primarily used for poison. It’s for regen in general so why would he make an entire role around that. It’s the same issue I had with the short sword when I was pushing supa and changed my mind. Sure copper is a thing but it has way more variations than that. It’s very similar. Sure campfire can slow poison but it does not remove it and it also is not the main purpose. 

If anything your claim would make more sense as an antidote or something which has the purpose of removing the effect. 

I literally do not buy this at all

Please read into this. 

I can't be properly online for a little bit, but I also can't let this particular misinformation go unchecked. This is the mistake I made internally on Day 1 when I said that my justification was bad- I didn't understand how health regeneration mechanics worked.

Ladies, gentlemen, creatures of other persuasions, open your Terraria Wikis to the Health regeneration page.

It's complicated, and I won't go through all the details, but the gist is this: There is a value called the Regeneration Rate. When you have Poison, it brings that value to -4, meaning you're losing health per second. However, a Campfire adds 1 to that value, changing it to -3.

So, in other words, the presence of the Campfire mitigates the effects of the Poison, which is exactly what I already said about my justification.

ok so what I’m getting at here is that, correct me if I’m wrong, but after finally finding out what cerulean role does, it mentions that usually it’s announced at the beginning of each day. So unless that thing is like an even-night use only, then he’s lying about it

It couldn't, though. Mharman said that if someone was poisoned, it would be announced at the beginning of the day. Weren't you the one who asked?

Since you are still on this, I'll just say it. I am a vanilla. The loom mostly crafts things using mostly silk and the items are usually vanity based, thus I am vanilla. It's a huge part of the reason I wanted to lynch supa day phase one after savant CC'ed him. I still buy savant is a vanilla, but three vanillas was kind of a lot to buy.  I also thought I could bait a night kill with strengthener without much risk of CC'ing town with another role. I am probably going to regret saying this because now Pie and Ref are going to use this argument against me to say I am scum and I really didn't want to go down this rabbit hole. If your gonna lie as town, I feel like you gotta roll with it, fake it til you make it. But with Ultra saying he visited me I honestly have no clue unless I was blocked or something, because I don't have an active role. 

Yeah, it's very weird and I don't know what to make of it. But I also don't think that Luna would likely lie about not receiving whatever it was that he was supposed to receive as scum. What's the upside for him?

I don't really see the benefit here. Like I said, assuming Ceru is town, it's highly unlikely that the scum team poisons somebody tonight. Otherwise, Cerulean could easily confirm his role, which just hurts the scum team even worse. Only way someone gets poisoned tonight is if Ceru himself is the NK. Letting Ceru live isn't informative here like it would be for a claimed DP3 Innocent Child, for instance.

Let's take a detailed look at Ref's scum read progression on Vader since he's calling me a liar. 

I first start scumreading Vader in post 230 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=8&post_number=230

All Offenses where Ref defends vader:

Blatant 1st Offense: Ref immediately counter votes me when I place my vote on his scum buddy. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=8&post_number=240

Blatant 2nd Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=10&post_number=286

Mikal Votes supa: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=13&post_number=389 

(At this point he pretends to flip flop) https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=14&post_number=400 (Notice here he even sets me up as scum bussing in the case vader is scum, can't ever give anyone appropriate town cred for pursual of this lynch lol)

Blatant 3rd Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=14&post_number=397 (Defending his scum buddies fake claim against mikal)

Tries to shift the lynch away from vader: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=423

Starts diminishing his read on Vader by saying it doesn't qualify as a "LAL thing": https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=435 ('This isn't shaking out to be one of them')

Blatant 4th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=439 "Supa feels honest to me"

His scum slip revealing TMI about how many claims mafia received, just for fun: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=443

Blatant 5th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=17&post_number=481

Blatant 6th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=17&post_number=492

Blatant 7th Offense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=17&post_number=505

More Supa defense: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=18&post_number=528

Randomly puts vader back in his scum pile despite defending him: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=22&post_number=642

At this point he dis-appears and doesn't re-appear until its time to hammer. He places the final vote with no real apparent progression demonstrating what made him switch back to vader, even in his final vote says its to "avoid a no lynch".

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=31&post_number=917

It's ironic that 5/7 blatant defenses come after mikal starts showing doubt, much of the doubt mikal shows seems to stem from these interactions with ref period. Ref was always in supas camp until it was no longer viable to do so. 

Vtl Luna

It's strange to me Luna can't attest to my visit. Granted, I think it would only be apparent if he had a night action to use last night. The new "even nights only" information seems like a convenient way to not verify me and to justify not strengthening anyone last night. 

You are ignoring the latter half of the reasons I pursued supa. At first he was just the best option. But then he wasn’t scum hunting, omgused and admitted hiding PM mistakes from town for self preservation reason which had contrasted behavior from a recent game and I pointed all this out many times during the late day phase surge to get him lynched.

My main issue with these as reasons for implicating Cerulean is that, unless someone else claims a means to do so, there is no response to the Poisoner role and we know at least one exists in this game. Maybe that's true - it's a 1X role and it's town, so it's possible there is no town response to someone being poisoned - but it seems weird for a role that gets a mod confirmed announcement to lack any means for town to address it. 

how the hell am I your only scum read lol

Yeah… clarifying even night didn’t sit well with me either, though I’d have to believe he hard bussed his partner throughout the entire DP, and I’m not there yet.