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In what way? I don't see how our claims are tied. Though I've also never played Terraria before.

No one has asked. And I didn't strengthen anyone, I am actually an even night strengthener. Didn't see any reason to oust that information. 

Scum had a choice here: let the claimed Cop have a chance to get some results, or bank on them using their Cop or Poisoner role and try to get a kill. Knowing that he was the Bomb meant that trying to RB him would put scum at just as much risk (he hinted as much saying the Doc shouldn’t visit him), so it was either let him go wild with the Cop or take him out. There was a risk of losing one scum on the process, but the risk of one or more Cop results could outweigh that in a game this large.

So, yeah, I could see making this call. I probably would have done the same in their shoes. POE hasn’t been that dramatically reduced after DP1, he was the only claimed Investigative role, and that Poisoner was an ongoing risk to them as well. Bank on the view that he’d want to go on being a threat in the game? I would.

Lunatic should be able to confirm someone (me) visited them last night. 

I just thought of an interesting question. Who here would be bold enough to try and NK Toaster after his claim? 

If we don't have a poisoner announcement by next DP I agree. The only thing that makes me hesitate is maybe the poisoner targeted town-Pie and it got blocked.

Mharman, would Casey's role as stated block a poisoner because it isn't immediately lethal?

I do not buy cerus claim at all. 

I was planning to come into today hard claiming this anyway, so I don't mind doing it now.

I am Campfire, Poison Healer. I don't believe my role only exists to counter Iron, so scum must have a Poisoner.

The fact that nobody is poisoned suggests to me that the person who tried to do it was blocked or otherwise unsuccessful.

Yeah, I was wrong about Vader. It happens. Everyone is wrong sometimes. But I wasn't the one who put momentum behind the WF wagon. Mikal was the one who was pushing WF hard. You can look back at my progression during DP1. I outright said that I didn't really have any better alternative lynches. It was Mikal that offered WF as an alternative. What would be the point of me trying to defend Vader as scum without really trying to move the lynch in a different direction? All that would do is make me look sus when Vader inevitably flipped scum. 

Interesting. I may or may not be the one responsible for that. 

Yes. Why would you give scummy behavior a pass because their claim looks good?

Behavior is what matters. 

Besides what we give scum Andrew pass to our protective roles by claiming one to bait them after they are caught?

Lets go on behavior. Help me lynch her. 

Behavior you can trust but mods can literally provide any role justification etc. they need. These games really should be all vanilla vs all goon so people have to learn this skill again

Why do you ask for claims. Who gives a fuck. Just lynch banana and get Casey's claim if she is still around DP2. If banana is scum we probably don't need Casey's claim either just lynch without it

I'd like a role claim from Banana, but what is your case for Casey? Is it just that they were on the Whiteflame wagon? Or did you have other reasons to be suspicious of them?

I started scumreading Supa a long time before his wagon even took off, I just used my vote to pressure inactives during the latter half of the DP and switched it to Supa to hammer him. I said multiple times that he was the best lynch target after I realized that I had misread Mharnams reply and that Supa wasn't guaranteed a fake claim, which was why I was originally skeptical.

Also, I have a reason to believe that an evil player was roleblocked last Night. If someone wants to claim that, they're free to do so and I can elaborate. Not 100% necessary, we're not in a bad position right now, but I just want to put that on the table.

We saw contradictions in his behavior and story; the soft claim was just the catalyst that generated that original activity. Mikal sought out soft claims only. Now you want over half of town to have claims out there DP2 when we're down a cop.

You need some bullshit like a mass soft claim to get things moving DP1, the mass soft claim was that. You don't need it DP2. We have flips, we have an enormous DP1 thread, we have possible results. Talk about those.

I also find Banana suspicious, but I also find Ultra suspicious too. Both have been very quiet and were on the Whiteflame wagon. I would like their reads.

I hate this version of town play. I don't think anyone else should claim. I don't think Tvell should have claimed.

We already lost the cop. We are just formulaically demanding claims from any scum read, if we keep doing this either we'll reveal more power roles or give the scum better POE to hit the ones that remain hidden. It's lazy and accomplishes nothing.

What is the point, honestly? We already have several scummy claims out there. Have we lynched anyone based on that? The one scum we did catch we caught through behavior and motivation, not because he had a scummy claim.

I'm rereading DP1 in light of the flips. Will be pretty busy today but should be able to post at some point.

Fine. Owl. I travel between buildings and make noise. I'm the Compulsive Visitor.

Maybe, but I think you as scum would have gone for the bus anyway. It'd fit with your style.

Why am ai town for not jumping on supas lynch? 

It implies she knows supa is town? Obviously if he was scum and I was scum I might have reason to hesitate

See my post #661. 

I'm townlocking Savant for today minimum unless someone can provide me an example of him running a risky claim like that as scum.

I really struggle to follow how lost he is. Specifically because I used axe and iron axe to clarify what I was asking for and his is short swords - and references a copper sword in his pm. Much less he said he was on the wiki 

https://imgur.com/a/Wp7K397

Can someone tell I’m nuts for thinking it’s impassible to mess this up. Is he really this dense accident or is it a fake claim scrambling.