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@Lunatic
In this scenario where you think I am scum why would you think I would be telling the truth about my tracker result on poly?
I don’t think you’re telling the truth about being a Backup and the Tracker, I’ve said as much. You were the second to last person to claim with Poly being the last. Y’all had the option of making Poly a visiting role or a non visiting role. Clearly you chose the non visiting and took the backup role as tracker.
If you think we were a scum team, then any scum role is an option for either of us... This feels like a scum slip
That’s why I said Vice versa? You could be passive or power doesn’t really matter. Now if you’re saying you both could be power roles that’s also a possibility because you both claimed last so any roles are open to y’all to operate out of. I made that post after your banter about power and passive roles. It’s no where close to a scum slip lol
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@whiteflame
I was just in the process of finding all the interactions between us. I’ll make a more thorough list
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@Lunatic
Oh I 100% called him out for it. I don't scum read a bad suggestion from a new player, I correct it.
Must’ve skimmed over it my b
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@Wylted
Also, this post last DP by Poly stands out to me with what we know
The idea of VTNL sounds good. it won't hurt the town and will still leave us with time to scoop out mafia with some cop reads. I don't have any reads on speedrace and I'm willing to put him as a town read simply because the way Wylted interacted with him DP2. As far as I'm concerned, Pie is looking more and more scummy based on his interactions with me today and I'll be willing to lynch him if we decide not to VTNL.
VTNL was definitely not an option because Town’s power is to lynch - surprised Luna didn’t say anything about it. Or maybe I’m confusing him with someone else.
The key thing is bolded with the cop reads. It explains why he kept you alive. Doesn’t really explain who last scum is out of WF or Luna but the plan to keep you alive to manipulate your results is still here. It’s possible Luna is the scum power role and Poly is the passive role or vice versa.
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@Wylted
poly looks opportunistic all game. Can you review lunatics actions and see if he is "breaking up reads" which often deceptively looks like scum hunting.
The key thing I notice after my first half-read/half-skim is that there are zero conversations between Poly and Lunatic.
The closest thing is the derailment of the Poly wagon last DP. But I don’t think they’ve pinged each other once which is really really odd.
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@Lunatic
That doesn't account for this DP, where I know I was roleblocked, and also know some fuckery happened with the cop result. Whether it was a redirect or a frame, they did something. Which means for their to be a god father than one of the mafia was able to use two roles in one night, which isn't normal.
From your PoV then, scum has to be exactly Whiteflame and me then. There’s no room to manuver there. Don’t know why you’re not voting then…
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@Polyglot
It’s hard to read Earth. He claimed bodyguard also in the last game I played with him when he was scum. But he waited until the very last day phase to do this. I think if he was really scum then that would be a last resort claim for him.
Can you tell me what you meant when you said this. Rephrase it for me is a better way of asking it ig
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@Lunatic
Actually, logically now that I am thinking about this, the only situation that makes sense for him (poly) being scum from my POV (knowing I was either framed or you were redirected) is if he is a JOAT that convienently used a ninja np2 the night I tracked him. Because we know they have a roleblocked, since you were blocked last night. Scum usually can't use more than one role at a time, so the only way he could be scum is if he is a JOAT that used a ninja NP2, and the other scum is the roleblocker.If anything this moves poly even lower on my suspect list, since the odds of the happening would have to be pretty lucky. Also they knew the tracker was dead at this point, so unless they had reason to believe there was a watcher, why would they use a ninja ability here? Unless poly is just a straight up ninja and not a JOAT, in which case oromagi's role was just absolutely pointless.
You’re forgetting one thing though. It’s conceivable that Poly is a passive role like GF and his partner is the JOAT with the RB and Frame from your PoV
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@Vader
Pie will cry foul no matter what the balance is anyway
This is objectively false lol. I complain when the balance is shitty, which objectively your games have been more often. Luna’s game was fine just recently.
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@Lunatic
With these smaller games, they can end early no matter what. Just happened with wylteds game.
Well that’s cause Wylted came up with the game on the spot - which I’m sure he’ll confirm lol.
We have a tracker and a cop who could have got a guilty result np1 or 2. I didn't think there would be three protective roles either.
Chris and Speed were heavily weakened though meaning Supa did at least somewhat consider balance.
And it's supa, his balance is pretty unpredictable if you remember the 2 vigges he had in the last game me and you were scum together in.
Ya ik, but none of his games have ever ended after DP2 with Town losing. He’s a bad mod for sure, but he’s not dumb enough to create a game where town loses in 2 DPs. Even our scum game lasted like 5 DPs
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@Wylted
you always bitch that SupaDudz games are unbalanced. It shouldn't be too hard to believe that could be the case here
A man can hope. Plus Lunatic has always been the one who gives Supa more credit saying some of his games have been balanced
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@Lunatic
I don't see how. BP is one of those swingy roles that has just as much potential to hurt either team in my opinion.
But MYLO on DP2? Last Time that happened was RM’s game and Idek what he was doing.
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@Lunatic
With whiteflame it's mostly the claim. A vanilla claim here is better for balance, but with 3 protective roles I think balance goes out the window a bit. I tried tracking him last night for the record.
If we’re looking at balance then Poly has to be scum.
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@Lunatic
What are your thoughts on whiteflame?
Rereading DP1. I actually may have found something
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@Wylted
I think whiteflame might be the safe bet here
I disagree. I think Poly’s role has no use in the game. We both know Beloved Princess is a common mafia claim. MYLO on DP2? No way Jose.
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@Lunatic
TBH I think scum is more likely you and whiteflame, though saying that doesn't really do me any favors here. I know I was framed so I think scum has vets on it, also my tracker result from np2 makes it hard for me to think poly is scum unless I just got incredibly unlucky and tracked a godfather or ninja or something.
Or he just didn’t do the NK lol
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@Lunatic
Yeah they should have killed you or role blocked you. Because speedrace was useless after disc died. So they know that they either have protection against the cop with lawyers or godfathers, or they did something like what supa and whiteflame did in TUF villains.
If Wylted is scum he’s already won. His results don’t matter much here. Reread DPs and see if you find anything
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@Wylted
it could be poly and whiteflame here. I think we should all take a breath and reread the DPs in reverse
I think Poly is 100% scum. He’s the safest lynch. After that it’s 50/50 between WF and Lunatic
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@Wylted
I was kept alive for a reason, so scum did not fear me getting an accurate result. That says something
I was thinking the same thing - implies a GF, Lawyer, or Framer.
If you’re scum it’s already GG cause no one here believes Supa only put a 1x Detective in the game. Btw you said you were roleblocked NP2 right?
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@Lunatic
I was framed then, because I don't believe supa didn't put a cop. Mafia probably just won with that frame right there. Scum is in whiteflame, poly, and pie. I am guessing yall just blindly lynch the guiltied result here though, so GG
Actually, results don’t matter at LYLO.
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@Wylted
guilty on lunatic
Interesting. Though I honestly want to lynch Poly more
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Polyglot
Who do you want to lynch and why?
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I can only play on mobile. Dunno if there’s a capability for that
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I still don’t like Poly’s claim. A Poly/Disc team is conceivable to me. I’d like to lynch Disc first tho.
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@whiteflame
I'm considering it, though I'm not so sure that it's optimal.
Why not? If Disc is scum, great. If he’s not, then Speed is confirmed town going into LYLO assuming 2 scum
However, if the above is DD's response to being put at L-1, then I'm willing to do it. Just give me a bit to sort through my thoughts.
If we lynch Speed and he’s town, it doesn’t confirm Disc.
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@whiteflame
Lynching Disc helps confirm Speed. It’s the optimal path today
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@Wylted
If that was a scum.slip, like I think it was, it confirms poly as town and leaves the remaining scum as most likely tuf or whiteflame and a small chance of it being speed.
Not mention Supa being a moron with balance again
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@Lunatic
Ironically I think speed is scummier behaviorally of the two. And unfortunately if he is telling the truth than speed is gimped, but if he is lying I guess there is still a world where speed is town, so there is more scum equity in lynching disc. I guess I can kind of agree that disc isn't the worst option here.
If Disc flips scum, then I’d say WF is next in line.
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@Lunatic
only if there is 3 scum. I am hoping that isn't the case as this would be scum sided slightly, but it is a possibility.
Nah I doubt it. Supa aight that crazy. He should really get his games checked by someone like Drafter.
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So we have one more lynch before LYLO. Good. Forget anything and everything I said before. Well except for the fact Poly’s claim is still shit and I scumread him just for making it. I don’t honestly believe that Supa put in a role that could put town at MYLO or end the game.
Anyways we should lynch Disc here. If Disc flips town, Speed is confirmed along with Wylted leaving
Pie, WF, Poly, Lunatic
If he’s scum then even better we can lynch whoever.
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Alright I just realized I’ve been running under the assumption that today is MYLO.
Unvote
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@Lunatic
One of the main reasons you scum read earth was because of the multiple protecters theory, so you are literally contradicting yourself. Also you are proving my point for me by pointing out misterchris also had a protective role which I forgot about and wasn't even referring to. So a doctor, a doc enabler, a bulletproof, and a 1x are ALL town? Maybe. But by your own logic with earth you should be more skeptical of the doc claim.
No? I never said one or the other has to be scum. I’ve seen numerous games with a Doctor and a Bulletproof.
When did I ever lynch you just because your claim? I don't remember but if I was lynching you it had something to do with behavior.
No it wasn’t. You literally told Grey to shoot me in the night but ok lol. That’s besides the point.
I am starting to town read poly based on the fact you almost mislynched him and that my result confirms his claimed role.
Your role just confirms he didn’t perform the NK. Or it just means you both are scum
You on the other hand have like 0 behavioral motive to scum read poly here outside of just not believing his claim.
Actually it’s simple POE, which I will explain here in a bit.
You are forgetting or choosing to ignore that if he is town you potentially end the game or put us in MYLO. You are blindly buying into the doc claim, if he's scum there is nothing to stop a night kill. So, on the contrary, why do YOU think speed isn't lying?
Well there was an investigation on him by Wylted and it was innocent. If Speed was scum he’d have hammered.
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Aight I’m here. First I’m going to respond to stuff directed at me after I left. Then I’m going to lay out a step by step case.
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Anyways I’m at work so gotta head back. I will lay out a detailed statement after work around 10:45 CST about why Poly has to be scum. Until then don’t lynch me. Lunatic is trying to talk his way out like he did in a game before.
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The game is literally solved yall. In any situation Poly has to be scum
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Scum can’t be Speed or Disc cause they would’ve hammered by now. Unless you believe it’s exactly Speed and Poly or Disc and Poly. Poly is still scum
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@Lunatic
You are discounting that there could be 3, or 2 mafia and 1 third party.
No cause there are only 2 wincons. So no TP. We talked about this.
Can’t be 3 cause scum would’ve won. Can only be one. When’s the last time you saw an 8-1 game. And you have been scumreading in pairs so clearly you don’t believe it’s 1 or 3
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@Polyglot
I don’t think we should question too much the game balance. Actually, I would think my role makes sense in this game giving your role as restless spirit. If I was killed early on and you died in the night, a restless spirit would balance the game out a bit.
No? Cause I have to die and my role doesn’t work on MYLO
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@Lunatic
I mean you want to potentially end the game over a yolo lynch lol town should be worried
Yolo? What? I gave my reasoning
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@Lunatic
There's also multiple claimed protective roles, we didn't think that would be the case either. You can't presume to know the balance here. Especially in a supa game. In fact you are usually the one to call supa out on bad balancing
There are only 2. One is a 1x which Chris who didn’t even know he had it. Second is Speed who has an Enabler in the form of Disc.
And yes I do call him out over it, but he’s not that bad to force MYLO on DP2.
And we both know that Beloved Princess is a common scum fake claim. You lynched me over it if I recall correctly. What changed here? Why are you so adamant on defending Poly? Why do you town read him?
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@Lunatic
Did supa literally confirm that it was 2 scum?
I mean we had a discussion and he used 2 scum. Why you think it’s 1?
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@Lunatic
Or he is town and actually has that role. Why wouldn't he claim bomb or hunter? This dude is brand new and has never seen a beloved princess, so unless hes got a scum mate feeding him that claim, I doubt he pulled that one out of his ass. There really is no reason to call a bluff here, unless you think hes done something particularly scummy other than claim when he was asked to.
Beloved Princess has no place in this small of a game. It would lead to insta MYLO. Based on your talk you’re the second scum
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