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@MisterChris
Are your fine with replacing Supa and Oro so this game doesn’t end in a draw?
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@MisterChris
At this point I'd settle for a VTNL if Oro can use his watcher role effectively.
Supa is the only person Oro watches and that means you can’t kill Supa. Meaning there won’t be an NK. You can cut the act
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@oromagi
You should never play another game again. This was literally spoon fed to you
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Please prove to me that I am ignorant here.I am under the impression that Pfizer was a joint project vaccine between Germany and Belgium that Belgium ended up the official distributing nation of. Please prove to me that it's of US origin or whatever.
Pfizer is an American company that Donald Trump talked about with regards to vaccines during its development, long before the VP debates. It’s a simple Google search lol
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They trusted a Belgian vaccine (not sure if the Oxford one is being distributed much in US). This was approved by the EU and UK already had tested the Belgian one on their populace without severe immediate aode effects shown (ironic as UK ended up inventing the only internationally sold rival vaccine at present).
It was the Pfizer vaccine which is an American company that they took under the Trump administration.
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@oromagi
Do you and Supa agree to be replaced so we can end this game?
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@oromagi
so now you are arguing that the PM's danielle printed post-mortem are different from the PMs each player received? Is that even legal? Have you ever seen that in a game before because I haven't. Can you cite an example?
Yes that’s literally what I’ve been screaming you for hours now. Danielle is weird, but she did because it’s literally consistent with Pie and Speed’s post saying they have no justification
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@oromagi
Now you admit that TOWN has biographies. Remember six posts ago when you said:"Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none"One of you is lying.
WHEN THEY ARE FUCKING ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just reposted them. All are implicit justification, Danielle never says, "therefore, you are Charles Gittens" the connection is just implicit by obvious juxtapositions.
You’re actually retarded if you think that’s implicit.
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@oromagi
Go back and read bringerofrain's sus on Chris starting about post #80
- Right now I think the fact Chris is the only person who has mentioned role justification is problematic and would like to hear thoughts from others.
- Also can we have everyone state whether they have justification for their role or not so we know if Chris made a scum slip.
etc.Now ask yourself, if Chris and bringer are scum together and Chris has just said he has an implied (unstated) justification before others said the same, would bringer really be bringing that kind of scrutiny down on his scum partner? Particularly when bringer's own role had a pretty obvious implied justification (as do most town)
All of this is possible if they were planning on bussing. You’re purposefully ignoring the empirical evidence that players while alive did not have biographies/justifications, but after they died they did. Chris is the only person who says that Danielle detailed this, which means she said it in his PM. This didn’t happen for any other townie.
MAFIA because "it's unclear if he is more committed to his own status and the status of his group"Pie is using the same argument as bringer did in DP1, so let's remember that bringer was scum.
You’re making zero sense. I hope when this game ends the entire mafia community shames you into never playing mafia ever again. Utterly retarded
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No it isn't, I absolutely understand where she's coming from there. Trump would genuinely push through a fraudulent undertested vaccine to get in people's good books, without any qualms. He's a sociopath bordering on psychopath. I completely understand her answer there. I wouldn't trust jack shit from Trump.
Joe and Kamala both took the vaccine that Trump the Trump Administration made lol
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@Danielle
This game will clearly be a draw. I suggest we replace both Supa and Oro with two other players who read the DPs and decide how to proceed
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@oromagi
this is false. everybody claimed about the same level of justification- unstated but implicit
Read the biographies of Speed and Pie and tell if that’s literally not an explicit justification. Use your fuckin brain you dumbass
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@oromagi
That's a lie. Chris states:"Danielle gave those details and that is the obvious implication I can see, that the reason I am vanilla is because I was held back during my career from achieving my fullest potential. "Implication means unstated. Chris is specifying that he has no stated justification, just like everybody else.
That makes no freakin sense. How tf does Danielle give that that detail but it’s magically implied. Do you have any idea what you’re even saying dude. If it’s implied, how does Danielle give him that detail?
Whatever gambit you are trying when you say "Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none" is obv false.
You retard. The biographies are obviously posted after the person is dead. Speed said he had no justification, so was he lying cause because arguing in Brown v Board is literally justification for Lawyer.
Is Pie lying because being a Secret Service Agent for the Presidents is literally a justification for Elite Bodyguard.
In what realm do those 2 people lie about not having a justification if that’s literally in their PM. The only logical reason is that the biographies are revealed post death. Only Chris has a biography when he’s alive. ChocoPie, Supa, and you don’t.
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@oromagi
How the hell are you still undecided on this. It’s clear every townie didn’t have a biography/justification besides Chris who is blatantly scum. Even reading behavior he’s been pushy rather than calm and calculative this entire game. It’s so obvious
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@oromagi
Our PMs aren’t the exception. Literally every townie said they didn’t have justifications. Cmon man
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@oromagi
I believeyou. Chris does not say that he has a justification, he says the justification is implied.
No he literally admitted what he said was in his PM. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5723/post-links/249575
In fact, I don't think Chris has explicitly stated the implied justification but I guess its something like "you are VANILLA because racism held you back" it makes sense to me and this type of justification seems to match perfectly with all of the PMs that are TOWN verified. Why would you insist that having a briefer PM with less biograpy is more TOWN when you can see for yourself compared to verified TOWN, our PMs are more the exception?
Town literally don’t have biographies. If they did Speed would’ve said it and Whiteflame would’ve said it, but there was none. It’s so obvious Chris is the odd one out, out of literally everyone
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@oromagi
Just hammer dude. It’s literally such an easy decision. Everyone had the same PM structure as you, me, and Supa have right now. They literally said that
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@whiteflame
@Speedrace
I hope y’all eternally shame Oro if this ends in a tie or loss for us
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@Vader
If Oromagi big brained us by bussing his scum to make him look more town then GG to him.
If he was then he would’ve just hammered Chris. Oro not you can be scum unless yall are just trolling. It has to be between me and Chris and it’s literally Chris
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@oromagi
What grievance do you have against me? I literally don’t understand. Everyone is literally spoon feeding you and you refuse to eat
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@Vader
It's so obviously Chris that I refuses to vote Pie and end in town losing, it's 3v1, If Pie or Me die, it's Chris by POE.
There’s no going to be an NK. Oro watches you because you’re confirmed town, so Chris can’t kill you. If he kills Oro or me he loses. No point in VTNL
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@oromagi
Stop listening to authority and use your goddamn brain
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@oromagi
Use your brain for a second. Why does every dead townie say they don’t have a justification if they did. Like wtf dude
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@Vader
Oro is literally saying his PM is like ours and everyone else’s but refuses to vote Chris.
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@oromagi
My PM is more like Supa's and Pie's but I am not deceived. I can see four PMs written by Danielle that match Chris's description more than mine or Supa's.
Are kidding me? Pie, Whiteflame, and Speed ALL said they don’t have a justification. You don’t, ChocoPie doesn’t, and Supa doesn’t. Only person who magically has one is Chris. Come on man.
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@Vader
Yeah. In all honestly there is no way in hell if whiteflame said it and my role that Chris can be town unless it's bastard.
Not just you, Pie and Speed said the same thing.
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@oromagi
Danielle gave you your PM, what does it say
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@MisterChris
Right. We all get that GF isn't detected by you. Point is, it's not like you're the only role. GF can't counter watcher and the killing and protective roles, only you.
Watchers and Trackers are counters to Godfathers lol. Speed’s role was neutral because Town or Scum could be protected. Elite Bodyguard it’s 50/50 chance and only the mod knows what the results were, plus we don’t know if Pie was just killed or he died protecting Oro or someone else.
So you've conveniently spun a narrative around your claim but ignored that the balance makes no sense, especially since your role ensures that the goon is fucked. It makes much more sense for mafia to have a JOAT or something.
The balance makes perfect sense. A Bodyguard dependent on mod that dies too. Watcher counters Godfather and Town Lawyer is neutral. I’m the only investigative role and it works both ways - guilty on Bringer but inno on GF.
Because this is Croc and Croc does everything at a rate of never.
What that makes no sense. If Croc was scum and had a role why would the NP not end early if he submits his actions? Even if Bringer did it for him the NP would end early.
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@oromagi
People with no justification in their PMs:
Speed: “I'm Charles Hamilton Houston, I'm a lawyer and can stop someone from being lynched in the following day phase, no justification.”
Pie: “Aight so ya I don’t have a justification but it’s hella obvious why I’m this role as the character.”
Whiteflame: “My role does not include any justification.”
Oro: “I don't have a justification although it is not hard to connect character to role.”
ChocoPie and Supa have already said there’s no justification. Only Chris says there is
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@MisterChris
I frankly think Godfather would be easily outweighed by 1 protective role, 1 killing AND protective role, a watcher, and a justice (an OP role when 2 players is 25% of the entire game). The remaining mafia member only makes sense as you.
No it wouldn’t because GF inherently prevents POE cause I’m the Justice.
OK so Oro is town. Glad we agree.
Oro and Supa are town. If either of em was scum they would’ve hammered by now.
Bringer would've instructed Croc as to which person to kill and all Croc would've had to do is log on Discord and say the word without even reading the DP. You just made up Croc not using his role.
Speculation much? So why’d the NP not end early lol
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@Danielle
I think Oro is on me unless he unvoted somewhere
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@MisterChris
Now you are flailing.There can only be one scum because 50% scum or more = game over.
First look up the term Third Imposter dude. It’s an Among Us term.
A GF wouldn't balance out all these roles when the other mafia member is a goon. The best answer to the problem is that you're NOT a Justice and you're scum.
If there’s a Godfather it would make perfect sense cause POE leads to lynches like last round. Easy mislynches for scum as GF
I'm saying that your claim to be a Justice and have NO other details while Oro, the most town confirmed player here has them makes no sense.
He doesn’t even have his PM rn. What’s with the rush? Why not wait till he gets him PM? I’m confident that he won’t have stuff written m.
Oro is confirmed because he outed scum.
That doesn’t mean he’s confirmed. He could be bussing. If he was scum he’d lynch you rn, which makes him town tho.
That's because Bringerofrain was alive NP1. Croc being the only scum member left makes more sense for reasons stated above.
That makes no sense. If this is true why didn’t NP2 end faster lol. You’re saying NP1 was fast cause Bringer was alive but NP2 was slow cause he was dead, but then how’d an NK happen NP2 lol
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@Vader
I beg you to not rush this and wait until Danielle gives Oro his PM again
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@oromagi
If Pie was TOWN and actually believed that either Chris or Supa was scum than he would used JUSTICE to see if one of them matched him or not.
Croc already did NP1 and both came out to be Town which literally proves there’s a GF because you came out as town affiliation as well.
Instead, he (falsely) claims to check my alignment because he is SCUM and needed to self confirm himself and already knew that Chris and Sup were TOWN
If I wanted to lie I’d choose people that have already died lol, there’s no reason to choose people that are alive.
If Sup were scum he would have NK'd last night for sure. I don't know Chris well enough to say but withholding a NK and hoping to buy cred next DP is def a Pie move.I'm still heavy on PIe.
Chris this entire came has been pushing someone to lynch. Does that fit his behavior in any way from past games?
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@Vader
@MisterChris
Please don't be swayed by Pie.it's mathematically impossible for his reasoning to be true...1 scum, 3 town...2v2 split on whether we have implied justifications or not...
Clearly Oro is being the Third Imposter
Clearly this has no bearing on who is town.Consider the other things too:- Pie ruins the game's balance
No it doesn’t. There was no investigative role to begin with. Justice makes perfect sense with Godfather. Only way to catch GFs is Tracker/Watcher.
- Why would Oromagi, a watcher, have more details than Pie, the most OP power role of the game?
Wym. My role doesn’t work properly if there’s a godfather or lawyer.
- Oro is town confirmed whereas Pie isn't.
No one is confirmed. Oro is 95% town tho because Watcher has to exist with a GF from my POV. My role cannot confirm anyone unless I caught Bringer NP1 but Croc chose Supa and Chris.
- When Croc was Croc, NPs took the entire allotted time to finish. When Pie is Croc, they finish in a reasonable amount of time. That's not a coincidence
No it didn’t. NP1 ended fast. NP2 took the entire time which is consistently with Croc never showing up and forfeiting his night action.
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@oromagi
Yeah, but you invented a wincon when nobody has a wincon.
Me and Supa both have win cons lol. Do you not remember having a wincon at least?
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@oromagi
totally out of place against the other 6/8 of PMsUnseen PMs that don't match with the four PMs we've seen is not a TOWN tell- that just increases the scum likelihood. The fact that you sus Chris for having a PM that sounds like most others is also sus.
How about we wait for Danielle to give your PM so your memory is refreshed
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@MisterChris
Danielle not bothering to include details for vanilla is one thing, but I would think she would include something for you. Plus with you, town is absolutely LOADED in comparison to scum. The balance makes no sense
So she used details for you as vanilla but not Supa?
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@oromagi
Not one of them says "You win with the Town"
This part was paraphrase. I’m just talking about PM structure. Only name, role, mechanics, and affiliation is mentioned in my role and Supa’s role
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@MisterChris
I think Pie is playing us for fools. I can see Vanilla having nothing more to say but Justice? And with Oromagi's also containing more detail then I'm obviously not the only one here.VTL Pie.
If I’m playing you then Supa has to be playing you. We still don’t know what Oro’s PMs say cause he deleted them.
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@oromagi
Don't be so gullible. Look at Whiteflame's PM a the top of this DP. Whiteflame is VANILLA but gets a detailed PM. The justification is not explicit but obvious. All the revealed PMs conform with Chris and mine style.
Mine and Supa’s PMs are designed as I mentioned in the question I asked you.
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@Vader
It didn't make much of a mistake, but if someone caught on it could've affected the game.
I did catch on to it but I assumed you didn’t read your PM properly lol
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@oromagi
Chris is scum or this is bastard modding let’s go
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@MisterChris
I'm town so this is bastard modding if I've ever seen it
Nothing we can do about it
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@MisterChris
You're telling me you had a character name and your role, and nothing else whatsoever? No other text? No details about who you were and what you did?
Based on my role, yes lol, which is why you scum slipped
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@oromagi
Simple Yes or No question: Does your PM say just this
You are Benjamin Banneker. You are the Watcher. You win with the Town
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@Vader
Agreed. It seems that Danielle is justifying the roles after death
Yup
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@Vader
He had a role. You claimed vanilla. I'm telling you as a vanilla I had no justification
I’m literally a role and there is no justification whatsoever. He literally scum slipped so hard
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