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@drafterman
Btw at least someone knew it was optimal to utilize the 33% and and 43% chance we had of catching scum
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@drafterman
Oh, well... I don't agree with that but. Oh well.
Not much we could do with GP throwing. That was the difference this game.
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@whiteflame
I figured if anyone had a read on me, it was you or Speed. I knew who scum were by DP3, but by then it was too late to do much about it.
Yup, now I know what your scum meta is :)
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@drafterman
Interestingly, if Danielle had not jailed Chris, his oracle role would have activated making an entirely different last DP, but that is how the game breaks.
Doesn’t activate with a lynch
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@whiteflame
I knew you were scum DP2. I was planning on tracking you but oh well 🤷‍♂️
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@MisterChris
I should've tried to attract mafia kill DP1 but was too busy to do so, sorry folks. I feel kinda bad for not using my role well
Wouldn’t have really mattered imo 
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@Speedrace
Yep, pretty sure we would've lost if GP didn't do that
I would’ve played that role so well😭.


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GP trolling killed us, would’ve been a free mafia bait/kill
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I cant do votes rn taking brit to the hospital
Hope she’s ok  🙏🙏
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@Lunatic
VTL Elm

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@Elminster
Read the dp
I’m genuinely curious where I said I wasn’t the Miller when I claimed Miller lol
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@Vader
If you were to be lynched, it would be apart of the cake that goes to your lynch, but only a lil bit. It isn't anything to pursue your lynch over
What? You’re literally contradicting yourself so hard

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@Vader
But it can be, it is not that much of importance tho if we lynch.

You are being hypocritical now
So it is something you’re taking/want taken into consideration?
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@Vader
Yes it is, but it's not something I read into when it comes to your vote. It's like sprinkles to a cake
What? If it’s not even going to be used why say it?
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@Elminster
Supa what do you think of pie saying he's not miller after claiming it ?
???
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@Vader
It's something to take note of. 
But it’s not according you
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@Vader
I said I don't read into it
Then why even say it?
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@Vader
You go on Discord when you are pinged for something on phone. I noticed this morning and yesterday you were on phone when I didn't ping. Like I said, it's only a note and not a read, but a little thought
I have notifications off lol, but this is just contrived af lol
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@Vader
Also gonna pull a mikal read with Pie and say that he's been on Discord a lot more on his phone. He only hops on Discord when pinged. Not gonna read anymore into that but it's just a note
What?
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@Vader
Because you didn't invent it :)
You’re going off topic, why does it matter that I didn’t “invent” it
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@Speedrace
Woof

I'm just gonna do the math out loud to orient my thoughts. 9 peeps here so assuming it's 6 v 3, that's a 33% chance to catch scum. VTNL twice, two scum kills, we get to 4 v 3, that's a 43% chance to get them, but really it's higher than that b/c of investigative results. So I'm not understanding your argument that it benefits mafia to VTNL?
33% today and 43% tomorrow with one night of results 

vs

43% DP4 with two nights of results

The latter assumes there will be actions and they will yield results of some kind that will help town on LYLO. If a cop for example gets an inno NP2, are they going to reveal it DP3? Probably not. But then DP3 there is a guilty. How are we gonna know they are the cop? There’s a higher-inherent risk of manipulation if we VTNL.

At this point we just fundamentally disagree. My vote is on Supa

VTL Supa 
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@Vader
I like that pie is buddying drafter but I'm getting scum read because they think I'm buddying Elm. Racists
How am I buddying Drafter? I’m null on him and Elm
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@Vader
Policy lynching millers was not created by Pie. I'm sure if you look at any other person they'd policy lynch millers too. You are just the first person on DART who uses the meta, you didn't invent it. 
Ok ya so first person on DART. What’s the difference?
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@Elminster
I'm beating a dead horse 

The trade is 

2 shots vs 1

But implies second shot has to be accurate if we miss 1


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1 shot but with the option of 2nps of results to analyze


I prefer the latter. 
Then we fundamentally disagree, and there’s nothing to be said.
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@Speedrace
We have cop + whatever other possible investigative roles and a solid POE to use that on, plus scum could hit a possible protective role. I think it's much safer to get those results than to possibly lynch town
That’s inherent in the risk of lynching any day but a 33% chance is better than a 0% chance. We’d have the same odds tomorrow as LYLO with 43%. Not lynching today only benefits Mafia 
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@Vader
Please don't take this to offense, but you did not fucking invent policy lynching Millers
You drunk dude?
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Mafia are more at risk with being lynched today if we lynch. VTNL eliminates this risk today and just leaves the 43% on LYLO 
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@Elminster
Let's take what you are saying and there are going to be "ccs". That will happen even if lynch and get it wrong. The difference is we still have to solve tomorrow with the same thing happening and be correct or lose 
Sure, but we put people on the record with their votes today. It’s easier to believe people’s actions if we have a core standard on their votes today. 
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@Speedrace
The bickering is just stupid so far.

I also agree that drafter seems to scumread Elm for personal reasons and his tunneling of him is not helpful. I don't remember ever seeing him as scum tho so I don't know his meta as scum
I frankly don’t care about those two. I’m voting to lynch Supa today. I’ll take the 33% and 43% and putting people on the record today about their votes than let scum choose the two people to NK
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@Vader
The interaction part is where I see the most red flags. Why is Pie pointing out something drafterman said a year ago and looking at him to test his reaction? How does he know what drafterman is thinking at the time this is going. What would be the motive for Pie to focus in on something from a year ago just to ask for Drafter's opinion on something. To me, it doesn't add up in anyway. The only reason that post would've been brought up if drafter told Pie about the post, which leads me to believe they have some form of communication with each other. Drafter even says it wasn't recently where he said Miller claims. Why would Pie remember this info at all? These don't add in anyway
Cause I invented policy lynching Miller’s and Drafter disagreed with it?
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@Speedrace
wdym "scum couldn't do that"?
Claim cop or any other power role at the beginning of the DP
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@Elminster
The difference is there will be a lot more information out. Look at the roles that are dead and look at the flips. Mafia can't cc every role. More information betters the chance of accuracy on the lynch. 
You’re assuming that information will be substantial or won’t be messed with, plus you’re assuming that tomorrow we’re going to have results. Results aren’t town confirming.

2 people will die either way. Do you want the mafia selecting both or the town being put on the record selecting both?
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@Elminster
Disagree fully with this for all the reasons I told drafter. 

Christ man, not you as well 
If you’re basing your chances on “odds” we have the same odds of lynching scum tomorrow as in two days + the 33% we have today. It only helps mafia if we VTNL today because the 33% chance goes to 0 if we VTNL
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@Elminster
I think what stands out to me is the massive amount of contradictions he's posted and the vanilla claim on top of that 
His aggression was different. “Why the fuck are we lynching.” That statement is pure aggression. Then he comes after me for asking if Drafter believes my claim, which doesn’t even involve him.

The issue with supa is it's hard to read him because I'm fully convinced he doesn't read anything except what he's tagged in and tries to fill in the blanks blindly

He did this last game as town. If anything him being town confirmed made him even lazier. 
Everytime he’s scum he’s caught when he tries to pull gambits or says something off. That’s what he literally did today.
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It’s pretty obvious we should be lynching today.

6-3 we have 33% chance of hitting scum
4-3 we have 43% chance of hitting scum

Two lynches vs only one lynch is the best move. That way we can POE ourselves and with the help of scum.

We know night results will be conflicted with CCs and stuff - it’s only logical 
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@Elminster
You said this was his "meta" I believe. 

Please explain 
He does/says something that he wouldn’t normally do, which immediately identifies him as scum. His own pitfall becomes the things he says.

His outrage that you were being “lynched” with 1-2 votes on you is not something he’d say. In what realm is 1-2 votes lynching? This is literally against his behavior
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@Danielle
This is also why Supa's declaration that he wouldn't be posting today felt a bit off to me. 
Whenever he is scum he is usually talking from what I remember and that’s what ends up being his downfall like in Zelda Mafia. It’s the biggest advice I gave him: keep your mouth shut 
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@Speedrace
But otherwise I'd prefer to VTNL. We're pretty much guaranteed to have a cop, so I'd rather get that result than potentially going into LYLO
What makes you think scum couldn’t do that? It’s literally likely that we have a CC tomorrow if a cop does exist and at that point we have no room for error
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@Barney
What was your character claim?
Larry Underwood
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@Vader
Even so, VTL'ing Elm without reason wasn't smart until he explained it, which is still false. 
This literally makes no sense lol. There were only 1-2 votes on Elm. You can’t tell me that a lynch was about to take place?

Especially considering Elm had been talking at that point
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@Vader
Keep believing me saying why the fuck are we vtl'ing means that I said to VTNL when it never specifically said that. Lol not gonna argue this
What else does this mean lol that Elm was in risk of being lynched with 1 vote on him?
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@Vader
There's no point in arguing anymore because you don't understand my point
Cause you literally don’t have a point
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@drafterman
I bet you if we stopped talking about Supa and started talking about Elminster he'd magically have another raid break.
I’m like 80% sure Supa is scum. “Why the hell are we lynching” when there’s only one vote? Gimme a break
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@Vader
Above

And yes it isn't. It was a reactionary to seeing Elm being voted quickly in the DP without any leads in the NP
What? There was literally 1 vote and that was Drafter lol. How is this any different then a regular DP lmao
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@Vader
Yes, but that contrast what he literally said where he says that you shouldn't put Millers as instant scum. He literally said me you and him were town bickering, thus putting you in town, going against his belief
What are you even saying dude. This is literally contradictory
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@Vader
I never said I don't want to lynch ever. This is a lie
You’re telling me that: “why the fuck are we lynching” isn’t a support of VTNL? 
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@Vader
He literally did that
What? Where? He literally said he believes I’m legitimately the Miller and hence Town lol.

He said that he buys you as town, but said he doesn't believe Miller should be written off as town, but has you as town with only 3 posts and a claim
Well ya no shit Sherlock 
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@Vader
Please point me to a post where I explicitly said "Lynching now is bad." I gave a statement about the pros and cons to both is the most I've said
That was literally fluff lol. You said you didn’t want to lynch, now you want to lynch Drafter?
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@Vader
I can argue the same with you and Drafter. Why do you have to test drafter out of all people over something he said months ago.
If he goes back on what he said, he’s scum. If he doesn’t then he’s null. It was supposed to be a gotcha to catch scum lol, not so hard to understand.

Even if that isn't the case, why are you not calling out drafter for basically going against his own logic and reasoning? I also am not buddying Elm cuz I'm clearly voting
What logic and reasoning lol. You’re making zero sense right now. You’re assuming that I’m using Miller as a fake claim to fool Drafter into thinking I’m town, so why tf is your vote on him and not me?
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@Vader
Incorrect. Elm had votes from Drafter and whiteflame on the first page and I just read it and skimmed and asked, why the fuck are we lynching. 
Since when is having 2 votes lynching?
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