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@Speedrace
But you have no way of telling who liked it and who didn't. For all you know it could've been someone who is not even playing
Could’ve been himself for all we know
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@Lunatic
Literally just saying I win with the mafia and leaving it at that would have been enough if that was my actual goal lol. People were dismissing it, why take it a step further unnecessarily?
Town cred. The one thing you didn’t have Bastard Mafia and were caught because of it
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@Lunatic
No circumstances help the mafia by outing that info needlessly. This is silly.
I explained to you why you would have to do it.
However I am sticking to my guns here, and not claiming til day phase 2 under any circumstances. If that results in my lynch so be it, but at least you will understand my position on not claiming til dp2 if I'm lynched.
Then be prepared to be lynched. That’s how you were going to proceed against me two games ago right?
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@Lunatic
I cannot full claim this day phase. Your gonna have to trust me on this or try and lead a lynch on me. The circumstances here are very different from bastard states though. Why would I out I was the third scum if I was actually the third scum?
For the same reason you did in Bastard Mafia. Not to mention it seriously under powers scum if they accidentally kill you. Especially considering you’d be the prime target cause of your experience
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@Lunatic
@Vader
I think you should full claim
Unvote
VTL Lunatic
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So last time there was a game where the 3 scum weren’t in one PM was Warren’s Bastard Mafia game. In that one Lunatic was the one not the in PM with Disc and Cookie as scum that were in a PM. He signaled to them very early on in DP1. This is obviously some huge WIFOM going but it warrants a full claim imo. Last time he essentially told who his buddies were leading me as town to identify the last scum and win the game. He wouldn’t make the same mistake twice.
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@Lunatic
I have information in my role PM that tells me there are 3 mafia in this game. 2 share a PM, and the third one is not in the PM. I asked supa if mafia knew that my role existed, he said they do not.
Never heard of a role like this
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@Crocodile
Wait are you supposed to tag a mod when you vote or unvote
You don’t have to. I do it when I remember cause it makes the job of the mod easier
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@Vader
@BearMan
VTL BearMan
Any preliminary thoughts?
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@Vader
@whiteflame
Little experience. I have the basic concept and I’ve played the basic form of mafia before, though certainly not in this context.
Good to know. By basic do you mean vanilla mafia where there’s only mafia with only killing powers and town with no killing powers?
Unvote
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@Vader
@whiteflame
VTL Whiteflame
Please tell us any and all experience you have with Mafia
Please tell us any and all experience you have with Mafia
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@MisterChris
So you are eitherA. Sick of everybody's shitB. A Jesteror C. Making a bad joke
D. He needs to read the Seven Realms Series - a medium length series of novels that is full of twists and turns. Karn and Tyburn are ruthless against each other - I’ll promise you that
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@Vader
Send em now for the night is dark and full of terrors
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Any person with a brain can see the media “moderators” are biased af. All someone has to do is watch George Stephanopoulos‘s townhall with Trump and then Joe Biden. That’s all you need to see.
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@Bullish
@SirAnonymous
@BearMan
Y’all gotta get in
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@HistoryBuff
The US captured bagdad pretty quick too. that's not going so well.
It’s not me that trusts the Iranians, it’s you. You’re the one giving them money to “stop” their nuclear testing. You’re willing to trust the Iranians. I’m not. You’re willing to defend Qasim Soleimani, I’m not. Keep in mind everything was going fine until Hussein decided to fuck stuff up leading to ISIS. The Iran Deal was a disgrace. You’re naive for trusting the Iranians
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@Greyparrot
Radical Islamic Terrorism was a big issue 2016. Its non-existent now and hasn’t been for 3 years. You never hear the media talk about how ISIS is gone, no terror attacks in the US, just like Trump said. Travel ban worked to perfection. Crickets from the media.
Trump passed cruelty against animals act. Zero from the media. Trump passed right to try. Zero from the media. Any sane individual can deduce from that, that the media is garbage
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@Greyparrot
What is really sad is that the USA military industrial complex stood to make a fortune selling arms to Israel to counter the terrorists that were funded by Obama.It's a sick world, the elites in DC.
Irán doesn’t have the balls to go to war with us. We’d capture Tehran in a matter of a month
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@Greyparrot
You probably think we should let felons own guns and vote too.
💀💀
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@HistoryBuff
They made a deal which allowed the US to inspect their facilities to guarantee they weren't making nuclear weapons.
Citation please
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@HistoryBuff
lol, money that was stolen from them decades earlier was returned. Why are you so bent out of shape about returning stolen property?
Only you would willfully give back money to a state sponsor of terrorism
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@Greyparrot
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@Greyparrot
Ok history genius, you tell me exactly why Biden thought he was corrupt. Exactly what investigation. Be specific.
The timing is hilarious. Joe Biden met with Ukrainian official that was part of Burisma with Hunter. His own office told him there were ethics concerns and Joe went with it anyway cause Hunter can’t do shit. The dude got kicked out of the military for doing Coke and landed a 6 figure job in an industry he knew nothing about.
Only morons would believe that someone could get a job in a field they know nothing about, for six figures. It’s painfully obvious they only hired him cause of his connections. Joe was warned and he didn’t do shit
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@FLRW
Remember that the reason the USA has Trump is that it ranks 32nd in IQ in the world.
Ooooh new face. Welcome!
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@oromagi
- I keep telling people that I suck at scum and nobody believes me.
Been a while since you were scum lmaooo
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@MisterChris
Hammer hammer hammer hammer hammer.#1 rule of mafia: Speed is scum.
Notice how he doesn’t even try to say why he lied to everyone by not saying he had been converted until you came in. He’s definitely scum. No doubt about it
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@Speedrace
It says this in Oro's pm...? I'm inferring that character would stay the same
You can spin it all you want lol
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@MisterChris
I don't think it's even a given that there is only 1 scum left, or that there started out as 1 scum. Either way, we've got a solid theme split, and I want to investigate it
Freudian slip. He admits he got recruited and his character stayed the same
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@Speedrace
This actually made me realize, doesn't character not matter? Because the person recruited keeps their own character if they're recruited meaning no theme split
Freudian slip
Why would I do this as scum?? That would be incredibly obvious to literally everyone.
Clearly it wasn’t to anyone besides me lmaoo
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@MisterChris
Yeah it doesn't add up. I think he did it for town cred with me.
I think it’s a gambit to clear himself. He’s notorious for doing it. Logically it makes no sense to continue saying BM was TP knowing that he himself was the TP and had been converted.
Watch. He’s going to come out and saying he was lying just to make the real TP come out or something
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@Lunatic
@MisterChris
The Deathnote character was able to kill people by cursing them. So was Speed's character.
Now this would make more sense than the simple fact mine and Oro’s were bad guys.
VTL Speed
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@MisterChris
Speed can not be TP, because I targeted him. It only leaves him as scum. The potential justification for him being roleblocker is:"a prophecy that ironically comes to pass when he is blindedby the sun (symbol of god) and subsequently killed by Scar, the self-styled "wrath of God".This is a pretty good metaphor for roleblocking (blinding) and then subsequently nightkilling as scum.Thoughts?
I really don’t know much about anime but if it’s in the Wiki then it’s a possible fake claim Lunatic could’ve given out or one Speed found himself.
My biggest concern what I mentioned earlier. Why did Speed reveal he was TP only after you said you targeted him. Prior to that he was sus on BM for being a TP knowing full well he was the TP and had been converted.
It makes zero sense to hide that from town knowing that you’d confirm it lol.
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@BearMan
Oof gl then.
Thanks! Hopefully the curve is large😬
I could see speed being manipulative. Rn I'm really confused on who to lynch because both of you are possible scum candidates.
It’s what he does. It’s why I said we should lynch him before just to be safe. No offense to you but you get convinced rather easily.
It’s a simple question tho. Why did Speed hide the fact that he had been converted? Why did he continue to sus BearMan for being a TP knowing full well he was the TP that had been converted. He only comes out after Chris says he targeted Speed. It’s a gambit. A pretty obvious one at that.
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@BearMan
I'm comfortable with lynching pie, as he needs to study for that midterm of his and he's a villaiVTL Pie
It’s tonight lol. After tonight I’m free. But did you read what I said? Croc is the only one who is Vanilla.
Speed hid the truth knowing that he was “converted” until Chris came out and publically said he targeted Speed.
This is literally last game where Supa hid that piece of information from town and he was scum. Why didn’t Speed reveal he had been converted and continued to engage in the notion that there was a TP and Scum out there instead of just scum.
There’s literally no reason for him to hide the fact he was converted. Zero. He lied to our faces and I’m getting lynched? Cmon man
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@Speedrace
I sus you based purely on character
So behaviorally I’m town? And you’re assuming I’m WIFOMing about like 5 things at one time? Ok
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@MisterChris
Furthermore the fact that Speed wasn’t Vanilla should throw a doubt on Croc cause he’s the only claimed vanilla
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@MisterChris
So Speed lied about being Vanilla. Wow. He doesn’t say at the beginning of the DP that he was converted by you to be vanilla which would essentially confirm you and him as town.
Why does he sit on this the entire DP so far?
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@Speedrace
Oro may have tried to choose someone who he thought wouldn't be an obvious choice for recruitment. Regardless I still think it's Pie, Croc, Warren in that order
If he was using the route of best scum partner it’d be Warren, Speed, Me, Croc. If he was going worse, it’d be Croc, Me, Speed, Warren. Either way it makes no sense for me to be the lynch lol.
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@MisterChris
Garou was always a "bad person," but power corrupted him. That could be the theme.
I think that’s an important distinction lol. Lemme phrase it this way. We know Oro didn’t use the fake claim. You have to be assuming I’m using my true claim as my official claim when there is explicitly a fake claim out there knowing that my character is a villain just like my scum partner. I also was the last to claim anyways. Why on Earth would I claim a character that directly relates to Oro’s? That’s some massive WIFOM I’d have to be doing.
Also what useful thing has Speed done for town?
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@Speedrace
There's a small chance of him being scum but not as much as you or Croc
You mean you or Croc. Oro chooses you over me 9/10 times
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@MisterChris
The "Light Yagami" character is the protagonist of the Death Note series. That means he is the main character, NOT that he is necessarily good or bad. From what I know, he starts off good, and ends up evil. Maybe that is the theme split?
Does Garou do the same?
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@MisterChris
Why would Oro be so willing to throw Warren under the bus if they were scum partners, especially since evidently the scum team pretty much accepted Oro's execution?
Warren is a huge fan of bussing. Rolecop would essentially confirm him as town. They never expected a Justice would pop up with results on Oro. It’s a simple case of bussing too early imo.
With that being said Speed would be the next person on the list Oro would choose. He’s always stated Speed is “always mafia.” Im the last choice out of the 3 of us. I was literally inactive cause of midterms
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I’ll put my vote on Warren so Skit or Chris can hammer if they want.
VTL Warren
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@Speedrace
Drafter had two villains and Bullish did something similar. I don't even behaviorally read you though so if Bear says he's not a villain then I'll go with that
They aren’t Lunatic lol. But ok
Where
I think it was DP1. But ig it doesn’t matter cause couldn’t have been recruited before NP1. My b
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