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@HistoryBuff
The republicans have been packing the courts with hard right wing judges so they can use the courts to bypass congress. IE if you get the courts to interpret the constitution in a far right wing way, then congress can do little about it and republicans can get their way by subverting democracy. He somehow has twisted it to pretend that the democrats are trying to do this, when republicans have been doing it for years.How does anyone take this seriously?
You don’t even know what court packing means lmao. What kind of HistoryBuff are you😂
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@Death23
I'll take my chances, and I'd say the odds are looking pretty good right now. PA's the key state in all the models, and even Trafalgar group's polling has Biden in the lead there.
Be careful, it’s within MoE with weeks left
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@Vader
/in
I’ll play cause u play in my games
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@HistoryBuff
a handful of people on here say that. That is a very long way from being an important trend that could affect an election. How would you determine this except via polling? Or are you just making this up?
This just makes it obvious you know nothing about polling lol.
recent polling shows biden pretty close, if not leading, in this category now. As well as winning in literally every other category.
Ok dude. Keep it up.
having a small group of very enthusiastic supporters is good. But when the bulk of the population is sick of him and wants him gone, those enthusiastic supporters matter for less. No one is excited by Biden, ALOT of people are excited to be rid of trump.
People hated Trump in 2016 too. His approval rating is higher than on Election Day 2016. Will the polling that shows Joe winning in a landslide diminish voting against Trump is the question you should be asking. Trump voters will vote no matter vote.
so all those college kids will be voting in their home towns. What is your point?
Say bye bye to your college town margins in MI, WI, and PA. Lack of concentration doesn’t do y’all a favor. An average student’s vote at UMich matters more than his vote in Massachusetts.
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I don’t think Chris switching off of Danielle is indicative of affiliation. I was more so wanting to see if his reasoning gave any indications of affiliation.
Speed claiming Miller to ‘gauge’ reactions warrants an FOS imo. It doesn’t fit his play style to do that at least this early in the game. Could be scum trying to out a real Miller and advocate a policy lynch or could just be role phishing.
Supa also switched off of Danielle to vote for Croc before Danielle even got here which is also kind of strange.
Those are just some the things I noticed. As I said in the signups, I have midterms this week so I can’t be as active as I’d like to be. If y’all have any questions please ping me so I can respond to you
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@dustryder
You have the conviction that Biden does not have a chance, so I wished to know where this conviction comes from if not polls. If from simple hope, all well and good. If from some other measure, even better.
No one here thinks Trump is definitive to win. Some people think that Biden is definitive to win because the polls show him up by 10 nationally.
But to answer your question as to why we think Trump will win. Fundamentals. People feel they are better off than they were 4 years ago. Trump is trusted on the economy far more than Joe Biden. Trump has almost record levels of enthusiasm compared to Joe. College campuses are ghost towns. Supreme Court is on the ballot again, which Joe refuses to talk about (biggest issue for conservatives who don’t really like Trump which can nudge them to vote for him.)
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@MisterChris
2 AWOL users, one already had a vote to begin with, the other didn't. I realized this and moved to the one that didn't have one.
How does that help? The only reason people come on is cause they have a ton of votes. More concentrated voting is better. We can always switch
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@MisterChris
Why’d you change your vote from Danielle to Warren before she even said anything?
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@HistoryBuff
so despite the fact that I have provided stats (in our other conversation) showing that the polls in 2016 were quite accurate in most states, you just continue to repeat the mantra that they were wrong, even though they weren't. I cannot understand this cult mentality of just repeating the same lie to yourself over and over when the facts prove it isn't true.
They weren’t accurate in the critical states. I already proved that to you. You fundamentally don’t know anything about polling or how it’s done. You have a statistician explaining to you why polling is flawed. You just refuse to listen. State polling was off in the rust belt by a mile. Period.
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@fauxlaw
Polls can’t account for social desirability bias. Hell they can’t even get a representative sample in heavily Trump areas cause no one picks up the phone. It’s not even randomized if you think about it.
HB and the Election Mafia are glorified poll readers who don’t know how polls are conducted and the various errors that compound results. Even the averages are inaccurate because the methodology is different which is a horrible comparison of polls.
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@HistoryBuff
alright, i give up. The top is a chart that shows numbers for months.
Why don’t you give actual numbers lol. Can’t find em?
there were cases that were more off, that is true. But i'm not getting into the nitty gritty of polling with someone who straight up lies that 6% is the same as 10%
Glad we agree that the critical rust belt states had insane margins of error. You know they were wrong. They were also wrong in 2018. You choose to believe that they’re right in 2020. I choose to look at fundamentals and questions that avoid social desirability bias.
whatever. Feel free to be surprised as trump goes down in flames. Don't say you weren't warned. But I'm sure you will scream and whine that it was rigged after trump loses.
Wasn’t me screaming rigged for the past 4 years
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@HistoryBuff
I literally showed you how the polling was a 6% difference in 2016. You then repeat over and over and over that it was 10. Even though your own stats disprove your point.
No you haven’t. Your link shows November numbers. Click on your own link dude.
There were isolated cases that were further off than 2%. I said 2% was the general trend.
Which cases are you talking about? The critical states were the ones I mentioned in my post especially the Rust Belt.
But why would I engage with you on a break down of statistics when you can look at a 6% difference and straight up lie that it was 10%? You are deluding yourself and will say and believe whatever reinforces your worldview. You want to believe that trump will win, so even though he is losing pretty much everywhere that matters, you insist that all the available evidence is wrong and your own extremely biased opinions are the only things that matter.
I know he’ll win lol. You rely on polls at your own peril. They didn’t improve in 2018 and won’t improve now. I unlike you know how to read polls. I know the systematic biases that arise in the polls. You don’t. There’s a reason why NYT/Siena polls showed that they didn’t reach Trump supporters in his strongest regions in PA and OH.
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@HistoryBuff
lol, some polling was off by 2%,
I literally showed it was much more than that lol. Why are you lying?
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@HistoryBuff
Generally speaking, trump overperformed his polls by about 2% in critical areas.
Post 144. 2 my ass
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@Greyparrot
Lol, polls only skew one way since 2016. The left isn't afraid to virtue signal with polls.
Trafalgar was the most accurate pollster in 2016 and 2018. The races are within the margin of error. No one legitimately believes Joe is up 10 nationally besides the glorified poll readers who lack basic understanding of polling in the first place. You don’t get a representative sample of white working class men who overwhelmingly support Trump in the fracking regions of PA. You have to weight them using an arbitrary number you think is right that defines what you think the numbers on election night will be. It’s a flawed concept
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@HistoryBuff
it was off by a couple points in critical states,
MN - 8.0 (Only two polls taken in October)
WI - 7.2
OH - 6.9
IA - 6.5
MI - 5.3 (Not counting Trafalgar which was the most accurate and the pollster Nate Silver shits on the most)
Only a couple points huh
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@HistoryBuff
I provided links to exactly what I was using. Did you not look at the evidence I provided?
I meant for the HRC data. The link you used shows the polls for November not October.
Again, no. I am looking at the link you provided. Some of them show her up by as much as 10 points. some show a tie or trump winning. some show 5 point lead. The average of these polls is about a 6 point lead. The polls show biden winning by an average of 10 points. in some of them he is up by 16 points. In absolutely none of them is trump winning or even close to winning. Biden is much further ahead than hilary ever was.
There’s only one poll that showed Trump winning and that was an LA Times tracking poll. Everything else was HRC up 6-12 which is pretty much what’s going on right now. Not to mention 538 doesn’t even use every poll. They’re actually trash in their projections.
This statement says alot more about you than the election. Basically, you refuse to believe reality because you don't want it to be true. Biden doesn't need to win Missouri to be president. If he gets Pennsylvania (which the average of polls gives him a 7 point lead in) then he is very likely to win the election. Why waste resources in an area where that will be a tough fight if you don't need to win it? You put your resources into the areas you are more likely to win that are critically important.
Why waste resources in an area where you’re up by 7 instead of going on the offensive in places like Texas lol. You flip Texas, you win the election. Polls only show Joe a couple of points behind or ahead by 1 or 2 right. Joe Biden knows the polls are way off because his internals say the same thing. You and I both know how the polls turned out in 2016 and 2018. Where are Senators Nelson and Donelly? Wheres Governor Gillum? The polls mean nothin if you can’t get an accurate sample. Funny enough they don’t cause even NYT/Siena missed Trump country in PA and OH by a mile
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Definitely don’t watch anime unless u count Bakugan and Beyblade
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@Greyparrot
People are genuinely afraid to poll, especially with all the unreported violence against Trump supporters.
They’re literally missing swathes of Trump voters. If you follow Nate Cohn he released a map of where his poll got answers in OH and PA. The place where there are like 1-2 or none is literally all Trump country if you look back to 16
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@HistoryBuff
nope. The access Hollywood tape came out october 7th 2016. on that day they were 5 points apart. a week later they were 6 points apart, which is as far as the spread between them ever really got. certainly from that point on it only got closer.
Where are you looking lol. Just go back to RCP and literally every poll has Hillary up by 8-10 right after Access Hollywood.
Either way, it doesn’t really matter. There’s no way Joe is up 10 nationally and is tied in Florida or up 1-2. If he was up that much he’d be campaigning in Missouri, not Pennsylvania.
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Just a heads up guys I probably won’t be as active cause I have midterms this week
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@Lunatic
Both of you mentioned you are busy for the weekend. What if I wait til Monday or Tuesday, you are good to sign up then?
You can start whenever, I just can’t promise activity cause I have midterms this week. That’s why I’m in for replacement rn. If you’re fine with bare minimum from me you’re welcome to put me in.
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@HistoryBuff
i'm not really sure what this sentence is supposed to mean. What spread are you talking about? what about access hollywood? I'm guessing whatever this is is well known in right wing circles, but i don't know what you mean.
Hillary was ahead by the same margins in the polls after Access Hollywood and we all saw how she ended up winning
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@HistoryBuff
hilary was only a couple points ahead at this point in 2016. And i'm not going to try to defend hilary. She wasn't a good candidate. Biden isn't either. But they are both much better than trump. And it is looking more and more likely that Biden will be the next president.
Biden is the same spread Hillary was right cause of Access Hollywood. We all saw how that ended up
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@BearMan
Side shifter dense ass piece of fuck
Tf does that even mean lmaooo
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@Vader
Lol you get mad when someone calls you a cunt?
You mean funt?😂
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BearMan called Lunatic out for his gameplay in Naruto and Lunatic responded in the same fashion. I don’t see how it’s a personal insult. Both were attacking the play itself.
They both ended up dropping the topic anyways
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@Lunatic
Part of the main reason I like playing mafia is that you can be aggressive with people and clean slate it going into the next game.
Amen
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Current Mafia
None
Signups
RM- Pirates of the Caribbean
Lunatic- Ultimate Weeabu Universe (UwU Anime mafia)
In the Hopper
SupaDudz - Danny Phantom, Avatar The Last Airbender, My Hero Academia
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
Speedrace
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, danielle, PressF4Respect, crocodile
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@BearMan
Id say your night actions were spot on. Your reads allowed you to be spot on. You could be talked out of your reads which is the the only problem I saw which is why I said to lynch first.
Your play this game was probably best of any town this game in terms of Night Actions
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I personally don’t care about name calling and insults. I had no problem with Supa calling me names. For all we know it could’ve been a legitimate mafia strategy to frustrate town and force them to mess up somehow creating a mislynch.
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@Bullish
The MafiaScum wiki is IMO the most authoritative database on definitions related to forum mafia on the internet. My modding practices come from there. Any game where a majority of the players have a role is by definition rolemad.
Good to know. And we have differing definitions. Mine and Speed’s games are rolemadness where everyone has a role.
No one in this game had the same 2 actions, but that doesn't mean they can't.
Clearly after Speed’s game
Pie was right in the end that one of the claimed JOATs was scum, but I have made a game with 2 JOATs for a live mafia game before.
I was on Supa more so cause he hid his results and hadn’t been answering questions properly.
There's no literature out there, certainly not on MafiaScum, that no 2 town roles can be the same.
Rip CCs
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@Lunatic
Your lynch was pretty goofy, because dp3 it was either you or intel, and it was found intel was scum. I mean if they thought it was a bus that its one thing, but I don't think anyone mentioned a bussing theory. Your lynch was a bit random lol
The plan was to lynch Skitlez then Speed. But just to be safe we switched to Speed last minute. I didn’t want Speed talking his way out with BearMan and Chris. We had 2 lynches so I was like why not. Better to cover our flanks
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@Speedrace
Welp lol
Ya it was basically to just secure our flanks. I always thought Skitlez was scum cause Intel confessed he visited him.
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@BearMan
Hope Pie doesn't mind me putting this out. We already thought you guys were scum.
You’re good lol
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@Speedrace
I was afraid that if you’re were scum you would’ve talked your way out of it. The plan was always to lynch you and Skitlez no matter what
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@Speedrace
Be honest tho I don’t wanna wait for bullish
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@Speedrace
Just be useful and vote skittlez next round
That’s the plan
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@Speedrace
Scum is between you or Skitlez which is pretty obvious.
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@Speedrace
Why would I hammer Intel last DP instead of convincing town to hammer Supa since he was gonna die anyway
Town cred lol. Either way I want to lynch Skitlez first then you
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@Speedrace
I am the ENABLER and a 1x BP. I didn't claim that for OBVIOUS reasons. A number of people, who I don't know, depend on me. If I die, those people become vanillas. That's why I said the game wasn't town favored last DP. It's also why I kept asking everyone a couple of DPs ago to fully explain their PM justifications because I think any PM that mentions the word Internet depends on me.
Won’t affect me or BearMan anymore. Why shouldn’t we lynch you?
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@Speedrace
And I say Pie because he was only role confirmed, not town confirmed. I'm more on Chris though
What about Skitlez? Scum is between you and Skitlez for sure. Chris is town just based on the fact he counterclaimed Warren.
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@Lunatic
I have midterms coming up so I’ll be a replacement if u need it after Ragnar and SA
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@Speedrace
If Supa is suicidal then there might actually be 4 scum
Not possible. It’s 5-3 rn. If it was 4-4 we would’ve already lost
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@Vader
I’m not indicating anything: I think your analysis was short. Goodnight. Fuck everything right noe
Goodnight lol
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