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@HistoryBuff
in raw numbers, sure. If 100 million people got the flu, then 0.1% of that number would be more people dying. but it would still be 0.1% of the people who get the flu dying, as opposed to the corona virus that kills 0.6% - 3% of the people who get it. IE the corona virus is 6-30 times more deadly.
That’s not how it works lol. If there is no vaccine, then more people will get it. More people will transmit it and more people will die. With the flu vaccine you remove a lot of people. You yourself claimed the flu vaccine wasn’t effective. Not me. If the flu was a novel virus like the Coronavirus, their death rates would be comparable, cause right now there’s a flu vaccine plus antibodies in the vast majority of Americans that can combat the flu to a certain extent.
TL;DR Vaccine reduces chances of infection, therefore less people get infected and less people die. The Flu isn’t novel and Americans have some immunity against it.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
no, and there's no rational justification for it.
HB refuses to answer the question, which leads me to believe he does support the violence and it’s justified.
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@HistoryBuff
that question is designed to be extremely loaded, and therefore it is stupid. Do you support people laying down and dying while being murdered by the police? a yes or no would suffice.see how phrasing questions that way is useless?
No, I don’t support senseless dying. And the question is not useless lol. Do you or do you not condemn the violence that is going on?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@HistoryBuff
It’s a simple question. Do you support the violent protests: burning property down, looting, etc or no? Yes or No would suffice. I say no.
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@HistoryBuff
My point is that covid is much more deadly than the flu, which i backed up with stats. your response was "well look at what an evil democrat did!!!". Your response had nothing to do with the conversation, all you were trying to do was point fingers and make it a partisan issue.
No. You’re comparing apples to oranges. The Flu has vaccines, Coronavirus does not. The Flu infected 30 million people in the USA but only 30-60k died because of the vaccine. You’re making a false comparison between death rates because one has a vaccine and one doesn’t. If a vaccine for the flu didn’t exist the numbers would be much much higher.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
they got the attention, now it seems in the form of the national guard, more government employees with guns, contraz, well done to them.
It’s gonna cost em Minnesota
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@Greyparrot
If I was a Democrat right now, I would be reevaluating why I allow the monkeys in charge to put me at such risk.
It’s such a shame what happened in nursing homes. Utter disaster. I honestly think Trump has a legitimate shot a Minnesota this year. No one likes their city on fire.
With Gary and McMuffin gone, he can easily gain a plurality. In 2016 he was down 8-10 but only lost by 1.5. Most recent polling shows him down by 5. I honestly think he can flip Duluth from blue to red.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
really? I wonder if they could say that to the black guy crying because he lost his business or the others hurt similarly.
I told them that a death of a black man doesn’t justify the destruction of another man’s property and they were like it’s the only way to get the government’s attention. They were literally advocating for violence. Scary.
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@HistoryBuff
Covid is much, much more dangerous than the flu. Pretending like it is just like the flu is childish.
A good portion of the deaths come from nursing homes after Democratic governors like Cuomo and Whitmer decided to send those infected with COVID into nursing homes. But ya tell me why it has more deaths when literally the most vulnerable are being exposed to it.
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@HistoryBuff
I think Amy klobochar is trash. why would you think she's my "buddy"?
The Democratic Party claims to fight for racial justice but decided to not prosecute their cops. It’s as if Democrats don’t care about black people 🤔
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Aren’t these the same people that want to send cops door to door to confiscate firearms?
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@HistoryBuff
A 46 year old cop had 18 previous complaints with internal affairs. He was punished for 2 of them, both of which were "a reprimand".
Your buddy Amy K didn’t prosecute him. But yes continue to blame it on racists.
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@Imabench
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I’ve seen cops on people’s necks on the TV show dude, but they don’t stay on the neck for 8 minutes after being handcuffed and backup being present. These cops were being filmed and they knew it, did anything different happen? No.
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@HistoryBuff
The point is that 0.1% of people who get the flu die from it. 0.6%-3% of people who get corona die from it. That is 6 - 30 times more lethal than the flu. Comparing them is like comparing how lethal a wiener dog is to how lethal a bear is. It just makes you look silly.
You’re literally proving my point. One has a vaccine and one doesn’t. For the one with a vaccine 30-60k people STILL died. Comparing the death rates of a disease with a vaccine and one without makes YOU look silly.
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@Greyparrot
@TheDredPriateRoberts
I will tell you the rioting and looting HAS hurt the image of what happened and detracted from it. Violence begets violence it has and will end one way or another.
I have liberal friends telling me the violence is justified because it’s the only way for change. People are actively preaching violence and it’s scary.
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@Greyparrot
You ever watch Cops? That shit is eye opening into what cops do and how they act. I’ve seen my fair share of white people slammed to the ground and knees on necks. Obviously not for 8 minutes and after handcuffs + backup obviously
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@HistoryBuff
no i didn;t. Do you just make stuff up for fun?
I’m telling you that people still died even with a vaccine. You blame it on the different mutations of the flu. I said that coronavirus also mutates so it’s a pretty similar comparison.
if it was very effective, people wouldn't die from the flu. It is moderately effective at preventing previous strains from coming back. but since there are new strains every year, i wouldn;'t say it could ever be "very effective".
30-60k people dying out of 30-60 million cases is very very effective. 0.001 death rate is very effective imo. But once again we differ on semantics.
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@HistoryBuff
one is influenza, the other is a corona virus. They are not particularly similar. That's like saying humans a kangaroo's both walk on 2 legs so they must be exactly the same.
Bruh you’re the one that’s claiming viruses don’t mutate when they do. That’s actually a defining factor of viruses, especially RNA viruses, which the corona virus is. They tend to mutate a lot. Flu vaccine was very effective and still 30-60k people died.
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@Dr.Franklin
Twitter would ban Trump if he said “there is nothing they can do short of violence,” he’d be blocked
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@HistoryBuff
No. The seasonal flu mutates constantly. Vaccines only ever cover previous strains. Since it is constantly changing, they never fully effective.
What makes you think a coronavirus vaccine would be effective then lol. The seasonal flu and the coronavirus are both viruses that can mutate.
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@HistoryBuff
Covid has a mortality rate roughly 10 times higher than the seasonal flu. The two are in completely leagues.
The seasonal flu also has a vaccine and still 50-80k die lol
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@HistoryBuff
no, being deathly ill and requiring hospitalization is very much not semantics. The risk of spreading a potentially fatal illness to my loved ones is absolutely not "fine".
To me deathly ill and requiring hospitalization is fine compared to death. The risk of spreading it to your loved ones will happen regardless of any measure.
there is no evidence of that. There have been documented cases of people getting corona virus multiple times. So no, getting it does not mean you can't get it again.
Maybe you should study up on your biology. Antibodies prevent the disease from causing more harm each time you get it. That’s how the immune system works. The symptoms will definitely be less severe.
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@Greyparrot
Trump being more racist than Joe Biden is a joke
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@Danielle
The overwhelming majority of cops are trash which is why there is a systemic problem.
Where’s the evidence? This is a radical claim you’re making.
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@Danielle
I haven’t seen one person support the cops in the George Floyd case
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Such a shame. White people are Nazis for protesting. These protestors are “peaceful”
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
lol so poor = black to him
Forgot about this one lol. What does Trump have against him? A case in 1970 where he didn’t have to admit that he was discriminating and instead had to read a piece of paper? Calling countries shitholes? What else? Saying there were fine people in both sides at Charlottesville?
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@HistoryBuff
my definition of "fine" does not include hospitalization and struggling to breath as I potentially infect everyone I love and quite possibly kill them. If that is "fine" to you, then you are a very strange person.There is a very big gap between dead and "fine".
We just differ on semantics. I’ll be happy if I don’t die even if I have suffer. Fine means in the future, after everything has occurred. The future doesn’t exist if I’m dead. Plus I already said that we have to be more careful around vulnerable populations. After you get cured and you have antibodies, you’re practically chillin
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@HistoryBuff
no, this is quite simply not true. 1) corona virus can still be a horrible, debilitating disease in a significant percentage of people who get it even if it doesn't kill you. 2) basic prevention methods obviously help, but they are in no way guaranteed to protect you.
How is it not true lol. If it won’t kill you you’ll be fine lol
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@RationalMadman
I hope this helps Trump to lose the next election, I really loathe him with a passion.
Amy K was the reason those cops were roaming free
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@Imabench
We're only three months in, this shit could get a LOT worse before we get to a point where things can get back to normal
It’s all in the optics. I honestly think I had Corona back in February. I had all the symptoms. It was also sad that was the day I found out a buddy was going to ask out the girl I like to prom :/
Ive been teaching Middle School classes online since Spring Break. A lot of the admin where I teach think theres a pretty good chance this stretches into the start of the next school year in August, and that online teaching could last into 2021. Thats 6 months on top of the 3 we've already had, and who knows if we'll be any closer to normalcy by then compared to where we are now :/
I think we honestly will be fine. Around half of the deaths were exclusive to nursing homes, plus the death count is likely inflated due to the fact hospitals get more resources for having Corona deaths. But who knows. My college is opening.
If you’re healthy you realistically should be fine as long as you wash your hands etc. Avoid the elderly and ore existing conditions and everything should be alright. We flattened the curve and built infrastructure to combat a second wave. It’s time to reopen responsibly.
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@Greyparrot
The presidential election isn't a nationwide popularity contest anyway. The President can lose California by 10 million votes and still win.Many of the conservatives moving out of California are moving to swing states. Thank you Gavin Newsome.
California is a liberal hellhole. Aren’t they like billions in debt even after having the largest state economy in the nation? People are taxed the crap out of and they still run deficits. 🤦♂️
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@Imabench
There's this idea that Trump or any politician nowadays will get 43 to 44% approval no matter what, and thats absolutely true during times of normalcy, but a national pandemic with 6 digit deaths of Americans and a recession worse than the one that began in 2008 can throw that entirely into jeopardy considering how unprecedented such a combination of events is..... If major hurricanes start sweeping across the south and hit areas like Florida or North Carolina, that will just compound things to a level that no president would be able to politically endure.
I will respectfully disagree. Trump’s approvals won’t go below 43-44 regardless extraordinary circumstances. Even before and after Covid his approvals remain unchanged. It’s pretty safe to say 43-44 will support him no matter what.
I don’t think natural disasters and Covid will have much impact honestly as long as Trump frames the blame on China which is definitely warranted. Then affiliate Joe with China off of Hunter and it should be good for him. Trump just has to make it another situation of lesser of two evils by November which is very easy for him considering Joe’s gaffes.
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@Imabench
Maybe by a few points but compared to Trump he's in much better shape in terms of approval from Americans
Eh kinda. Trump’s approvals (44%) are better than Biden (43.7%) but the disapproval’s are worse for Trump (54.1%) than Biden (46.2%). Trump will get 43-44% no matter what, but there are a lot of people who don’t consider Biden favorable or unfavorable. Once those ads start hitting and coverage on Biden increases, disapproval’s for Biden will go up. And remember, Trump is more popular today than Election Day 2016.
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@Imabench
The idea that these blunders are going to 'expose' who Biden is to the people and turn them against him is pure fantasy.
Not really, as more people started to get to know him his approvals have decreased.
People already have a good idea of who Biden is: An imperfect mistake-prone centrist Democrat who may not be the smartest person in the room but overall can surround himself and listen to people who do in order to get the job done when it matters most.
That’s a problem. The President is supposed to be the leader. Having a bunch of cabinet officials running the government is not leadership by any means.
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@fauxlaw
Joe Biden said he will beat Joe Biden. I rest my case: He's a would-be idiot, but he doesn't get how it's done.
People that don’t hear the “t” are deaf, change my mind.
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@HistoryBuff
Joe Biden is definitely more racist than Trump lol. Biden was proud of working with segregationists in the Senate. He was anti-busing. He wrote the 1994 Crime Bill that resulted in the mass incarceration of black people. He was buddies with Robert Byrd a former member of the KKK. He said that if black people didn’t vote for him they weren’t black. All of this was done in the scope of the government. Now what has Trump done that is even remotely similar to any of these.
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@Greyparrot
You're assuming Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter are not going to interfere in the election.
Luckily Americans still watch TV
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@HistoryBuff
Biden is terrible. He is still an objectively better choice for america than Trump. Whether or not leftists hold their nose and vote for one corrupt rapist over the other is a decision that many will need to make.
You’re confusing objectively for politically.
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@Imabench
Right, so this changes pretty much nothing.
To the contrary. People still don’t know Joe as well compared to Trump because the media doesn’t cover Joe’s gaffes. When the ads come rolling along with the debates, Joe’s approvals aren’t gonna plummet and alienate Bernie bros who will stay home or vote Trump.
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@Imabench
Don’t worry buddy. Just wait till TVs are bombarded with Biden’s gaffes. Everyone who hates Trump still hates him. Not everyone who’s votIng for Joe likes him
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@Greyparrot
HB is a leftist hack. He’s probably gonna vote Biden but he’s too much of a pussy to admit it here
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@PressF4Respect
Did you even read your own link?
Bruh no offense but you’re deaf if you heard “be” instead of “beat.” Turn up the volume a bit. You can hear a distinct “tuh” sound
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It was obvious he was wrong. Proper procedure is to handcuff and get him up, not sit on him for like 5 minutes. As a watcher of Cops, the TV show, it’s fairly common for police officers to put their knee where they did if the person is resisting arrest and is brought to the ground. However, it shouldn’t have lasted long especially with backup present.
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@fauxlaw
She’s the modern William Jennings Bryan
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@Vader
Well it was fairly obvious, but it was MYLO and our goal was to put pressure on the town so they'd be forced to vote.
Ya kinda annoying. If I make it to DP3 I generally can point to scum pretty easily.
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