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@skittlez09
Plus if you look, Oro believed Singularity was Town Cop at the very beginning of this DP. His belief changed as soon as he saw that Singularity had copped him guilty.
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@skittlez09
Dude it’s pretty simple. If you think Singularity is scum then he dies next DP if he’s wrong here.

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Is my youtube search history biased
I’m so confused 
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@warren42
I think user and cookie are both town
Why User?


Wylted what's your character
I think he said Owen.
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@Speedrace
But for now VTL Pie because he didn't even consider the above when he voted for oro. Sounds like trying to get an easy lynch
I considered everything. Singularity is a claimed cop. If she’s wrong we lynch her. There hasn’t been any CC either. Why are you joining with User? And why is is he town? Hes L-2 and hasn’t claimed yet.
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@warren42
What do we think about Wylted's new claim?
He’s a claimed cop. Hasn’t been CCed. We’re not at MYLO. If he’s wrong we lynch him tomorrow.

Oro's? 
I may have a slight idea on who Power Roles are. Oro isnt one of them if I’m correct. Theory is based on the show and what happens.

What about the night kill?
Pretty safe choice since he was pretty active and hadn’t claimed yet.
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@Greyparrot
Obama knew about the Flynn phone calls. He surprised Sally Yates. This definitely leads back to Obama via Comey.

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@Dr.Franklin
shits going down man
Zero empirical evidence of Russian collusion. Zero. Zip. Nada.
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@Singularity
What’s your character and justification?
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@User_2006
Give me evidence of why Oromagi was guilty.
He claimed Cop. If he’s wrong, he does tomorrow. It’s pretty simple really.
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@Vader
Per Singularity’s results.

VTL Oromagi.
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@Greyparrot
They tried to stall this as long as possible after Mueller was forced to publicly announce "no collusion"
It’s funny. Why weren’t these documents released before? Why did it take Flynn selling his House and firing his first legal team for this to come out. McCabe, Comey, and others need to testify and be prosecuted. See how they like their own medicine 
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@User_2006
Fine, I will answer it.
Too late now. You need to full claim.
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@oromagi
Is that what he was being charged for in this court case? The fact is the FBI put him in a perjury trap and entrapped him. They violated existing protocol by not talking to White House Counsel. They didn’t have an attorney present during his questioning. Then there are handwritten documents saying they were going to charge him under the Logan Act which no one has ever been prosecuted under. This is an utter disgrace Oro.
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@Vader
VTL User for Full Claim
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While that is an answer and my next post represents my resentment, Ilikepie5 endures asking.

Since this was the only question Ilikepie5 asked, and this wasn't as important(especially since I shouldn't answer it because otherwise, it will put me at a disadvantage).
All I asked for was a simple answer. Cookie got it, why couldn’t you? Why would it put you at a disadvantage? Are you soft claiming a power role or are you outting as scum.

A normal person would normally stop asking at one point, but Ilikepie5 did not stop, and that would mean something is going on.
If you don’t answer my question properly what do you think I’m gonna do?

And to answer his inquiry, I AM NOT ANSWERING. It is up to one's choice to answer something or not, and his behavior of pushing me means something was up.
That’s all you had to do. Answer my question and say I’m not going to do claim just yet. If I wanted to pursue you I would’ve had to ask the other townies to pressure you. 
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@Greyparrot
FBI needed a sacrificial example to feed the swamp narrative with the mockingbird MSM.

Flynn never saw it coming.

He got the "6 ways from Sunday" treatment.
Guess who was a big part of it. Peter Strozk. Total disgrace to his office and the nation.
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@Greyparrot
Utter disgrace. If this can happen to a 3 Star General then it can happen to anyone. People who were behind this should be prosecuted.
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@oromagi
I think we should pressure User a bit more. He’s been doing nothing and refused for full claim much less talk about it. Singularity can be a safe policy under lynch all liars.
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@User_2006
Can you please fill claim
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@Greyparrot
This is my city, I have to wear a bandana to shop lol.
Jeez Louise
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@Greyparrot
You mean that Texas mother?
Just trying to work to feed her kids. Thrown in jail Leftist Authoritarians
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@Greyparrot
There are a slew of stories out this week exposing totalitarian governments and activist judges abusing their power and locking up mothers and fathers.
It’s a disgrace. I’m happy my State Supreme Court released the woman and my Governor passed an EO staying imprisonment is unacceptable.
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@bmdrocks21
I hope the self-proclaimed "governor" of Georgia doesn't get it, either. Yikes!
He’s playing with fire. If this gets worse, he’s done in 2022. Senate should be fine though. Doug Collins 2020
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@warren42
Is that all you have to add?
What more do you want.
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@Vader
Very well.

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@Dr.Franklin
its temperature
Who knew the sun can impact temperature 😂
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@User_2006
What are you trying to do? I am confused.
Answer my questions. And full claim
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@warren42
I think my policy today is User. Will you support this if no other suitable lynch comes forward?
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@Nemiroff
I agree with pie. Biden will get destroyed by trump in debates and general PR. He lacks trumps charisma, and lacks the focus and genuiness of bernie/pete/warren. He was a poor choice. The only hope biden has is trump continuing with his daily briefings and medical suggestions.
Historically there’s been only one winner of the White House who has lost both the Iowa Caucuses and New Hampshire Primaries: Bill Clinton, the Comeback Kid. I don’t think Trump’s approvals will go below 44-45 no matter what he does. The 3-4 percent he needs is within the margin of error since Trump, at least in the Midwest overperformed his poll numbers.
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@Imabench
How is it that you post twice and still fail to add anything substantial to the conversation worth responding to and analyzing? 
Idk. Maybe you think I’m right. Or maybe you think I’m so wrong that you’re a at a lack of words.😂
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@Nemiroff
But jump to the most extreme conclusion is counter productive and foolish.
Why? Is it a slippery slope if gun control leads to more gun control? Historically that has been true. Unless you deny historic trends, I don’t know how you cant see that a slippery slope argument is valid. As I mentioned Canada is a prime example just recently. But any who, there’s zero solvency for abolishing the Second Amendment. Only possible method is the Court which will thank god stay conservative from a couple of decades.

As for open borders you don’t acknowledge that it’s a never ending cycle. Please show to me that after illegals are legalized that’s the end. We will deport the rest of them that come after. Not one Democrat has ever said that. Why? As for abolishing ICE or reshaping what they do, you’re inherently bringing allowing more crimes by illegals to occur. That’s their primary job: deport illegals and in a lot of cases violent ones. 
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@Nemiroff
Legalizing illegals who been here for many decades does nothing to change the security or laws on the border. The two issues are not connected, although based on the next segment, you seem to be a proponent of the slippery slope fallacy.
Yes that’s open borders. What’s the point of legal immigration if I can come in illegally stay a couple years and gain citizenship. It’s a never ending cycle.

As for the slippery slope fallacy, in case you didn’t know, slippery slope arguments aren’t necessary fallacies when the proceeding event is likely to occur. We see in various countries in history where slowly guns were confiscated. Most recently that would be Canada where they’re banning more guns because of a mass shooting caused by an illegal smuggled gun.

I say that because none of those are left wing policies and the only places i hear such claims are right wing pundits and trump's twitter. I would love to see your primary source claiming such policies.
For just these two policies. Idk about the others. Here’s Beto O Rourke saying we’re going to take your ARs.

Here’s Dianne Feinstein saying if she could, she’d ban all guns. 

From Elizabeth Warren’s website: “I’ll reshape CBP and ICE from top to bottom, focusing their efforts on homeland security efforts like screening cargo, identifying counterfeit goods, and preventing smuggling and trafficking.”

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wanting time abolish ICE that is tasked with deportations

The end goal here is banning guns. The end goal is ending deportations of those who cross the border illegally. It’s a never ending cycle.


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@Nemiroff
Almost noone is for open borders.
Legalizing illegals is not open borders?

Gun control is not the same as gun ban.
Gun control is the first step in a gun ban. But progressives do want ARs banned. So yes ban guns.

I would call the belief that these are progressive policies is propaganda. Stop getting your info on the left, from pundits on the right.
Why do you assume I do that? I form my opinion based on primary sources rather than media “analysis” whether it be from the left or right.
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@Imabench
the slim faction of the party who are as loudly vocal as they are immensely retarded
This same rhetoric won him 2016. Be careful what you wish for. Trump’s approvals haven’t gone below where he was before his peak (around 44-45%). Trump outperformed polls last time and he will do it again. If the Dem nominee was Hillary, she could win, but Biden as we all know is a disaster in the making. He’s benefited from hiding in his basement the entire time. But when November rolls around, Trump can at least argue he was trying to do something while Joe Biden was in his house arguing that he didn’t sexually assault Tara Reade.

Plus I think there’s a common misconception. The stay at home orders were implemented to flatten the curve not bring it down to zero...to have enough hospital space and ventilators and build logistics for tests, etc. 

With regards to Trump, I’ve observed one thing: whenever he looks weak, he always comes back stronger, whether it be the primaries, the general election, Russia, impeachment. Will the trend stop now? I don’t know. We’ll see in November. Besides, even if Trump loses, GOP easily retakes the House in 2022 and holds the Senate. Because Biden as a President would be a disaster.
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@Imabench
Your last prediction was that Warren would win the nomination because the Dem establishment would rig it in her favor.
They did rig it...for the wrong candidate 🤷‍♂️
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@Nemiroff
I am rather liberal and i agree with all of those points.
He means progressives. Open borders = bad and banning all guns = bad
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@HistoryBuff
Dude you you’re refusing to answer the question that started this whole thing. It’s pretty simple, instead of ad homs why don’t you put specific proposals out there. We haven’t used sources this forum convo. I literally just want ideas with specifics. It’s not that hard. What part of labor needs regulating? Labor and specifically unions? What is it?
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@HistoryBuff
I'm not going to debate banking regulations with you. I can hardly get you to understand basic sentences I use without you completely misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I say. 
Or you don’t have anything. Thanks for the concession. Rather than using ad hominem maybe you should state what you mean instead of dancing around what you mean the last couple of pages.

Here is yet another example of you misunderstand or misrepresenting what I say. I keep telling you that greed is fine as long as it is channeled properly. The point isn't to get rid of greed, it is to make sure that it serves to common good. And we have been doing that for the last 100 years. If you think that is socialism then america has always been a socialist country.
Again, you’ve been advocating policies to decide how much a business owner should be paying their employees which is inherently a govt takeover of businesses. What you’re advocating for is socialism. The labor laws etc are not a govt takeover of the individual finances of a business. What you are doing is completely different.

I'm not using a definition other than the commonly accepted one. Why do you think i am using a special one?
Your definition of greed is paying employees less than employers makes the employees greedy. You nor the govt knows how margins should be working in businesses.

most people don't know what the companies they shop at are doing.
So? Is it inherently harming Americans?

Coca Cola had union leaders in south america murdered. 
Then talk to the govt leaders of South America.

Very few people would have any knowledge of that. Walmart crushes every union that tries to form at their stores.
Which is illegal. Sue them. Employees have the right to form a union and negotiate. Employers have the right to advocate against a union as well. There are laws specifically designed to prevent retaliation for forming a union. If people don’t use laws that already exist why do we need for laws?

Most people don't know that either. Pretending that consumers can control corporations actions is a complete joke. There are near constant examples of companies doing shitty things.
Corporations do what they do within the law. What they do in other countries do in their jurisdiction is no concern to me. If you have a problem with it you’re welcome to stop buying from them. The US has no business regulating what a country can do in another country. It violates their sovereignty.

No one can keep track of all of them. And even if they could, they would quickly find that there are very few companies they can shop at.
You think Americans are stupid don’t you? If we are satisfied with the product, we will buy it. Now if there’s injustice happening in the US that’s a problem that needs to be resolved. But what you said is either in the jurisdiction of another nation or already in violation of existing laws.

oh of course. I forgot that high paying jobs magically grow on trees and are readily available. This argument is juvenile. If corporations all pay as little as possible, then there simply aren't very many high paying jobs.
Competition already exists. 8 dollars is still more than 7.25. If you can’t get a job higher than that then you need to do something lol. Not all corporations pay as little as possible in case you didn’t know. Not all corporations are greedy as I’ve tried to tell you countless times. My own dad pays people 2 dollars an hour above minimum wage to be a cashiers at his convenience store. Plus in believing what you’re believing, competition doesn’t exist . Do you deny economics?

because this topic is not a detailed debate of regulation policy. You keep shifting topics whenever it suits you.
I’m literally going back to where this topic started. You said you wanted more regulation to prevent excessive greed. When I ask you for specific policies you support, you do ad homs.

Then you are incredibly misinformed. This is one of the major problems today. The people who are doing well see the system and think it's great because they are doing well. While the 10's or 100's of millions who are getting crushed by the current economic system get completely ignored.
If you live under a liberal mindset I’d agree with you. Before this crisis, a majority of people thought the economy was doing amazing. If you live under the mindset that the govt should do this and do that to help me then I can’t help you. You just fundamentally believe more govt is better. And keep in mind welfare already exists and the non educated white voters supported Trump. Everyone wants more money. But everyone has the same opportunity to innovate. Work your way up. You sitting there doing nothing complaining that the govt isn’t doing enough doesn’t help the problem. Especially considering how raising the minimum wage to 15 would cause job loss, destroy the backbone of America, and cause inflation.
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@HistoryBuff
The US needs stronger banking regulations for starters.
Again like what? Specifics please.

regulated capitalism is having it both ways. I don't claim to be an expert on every field. That is why we have government departments in charge to regulating those fields.
There’s no such thing as regulated capitalism if you want to get rid of greed. The correct term would be socialism in this instance.

again, i have been very clear that greed can be a force for good when channeled properly. I am saying the government needs to regulate that greed to make sure it serves the public good and not just a handfull of rich oligarchs.
Why should we use your definition of greed? What constitutes public good? If people like what they’re buying they support the business. If they don’t like it, they stop buying and go to a competitor. Are you Americans are idiots by supporting companies of products they like?

One interesting idea I heard was tying the amount you could pay a CEO to a proportion of the average wage of employees. EX. 100 times the average salary of your employee. Since CEOs all want to pay themselves more money, the only way they could do that would be raise the average wage of employees.
You realize that disrupts the margins even more of a company that already runs on small margins right? If raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars will kill businesses, the ratio sure as hell will. The solution is simple. If people don’t think they’re getting paid enough, they can leave and seek a job somewhere else. Not to mention the severe inflation that your proposal will cost the economy.


But again, I am not an expert on the field. I don't pretend to be. And I am quite certain you aren't either.
Then why are you arguing for something you know nothing about. You have yet to name one specific regulation and details that you’re advocating for. That leads me to believe you have no details and are rather advocating for something that doesn’t exist or exists but are ignorant of the consequences of it. I never said I was an expert. I however know that the status quo is sure as hell working and there’s no point in changing it. Because decreasing someone’s standard of living forcefully to raise someone else’s is inherently immoral.
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@Dr.Franklin
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@HistoryBuff
Labor standards for a starters. IE limits on the amounts of hours an employer can require a worker to work. Safety regulations, for example having sufficient fire escapes. There was a rather famous case of an employer sealing all the exits so his employees couldn't steal things and 146 employees (mostly women) burned to death. These are just a couple examples, there are many, many things that need proper regulation. 
All of these already exist. An employer cannot force someone to work. Labor laws already exist. Fire exits already exist. New regulations. What new regulations do we need. Details please.

Companies are inherent greedy, yes. I am not saying that we need to stop their greed. I never said that. I said that we need proper regulation so that in their pursuit of profit they do not act against the common good.

You’re saying we need more regulation and haven’t said anything about them. If greed isn’t bad why shouldn’t we keep the status quo anyways. You can’t have it both ways dude.


For example, we all agree children shouldn't be allowed to work in a dangerous factory. Children would be cheaper to hire than an adult. We are infringing on a company's ability to make money in order to protect children and serve the common good. We aren't doing it to get rid of greed. We aren't doing it to prevent them from making money. We are doing it to protect society (and in this case children).
But you specifically say we need to stop companies’ greed. Companies are always going to be greedy. If you’re saying we should quantify greed then your morals are not where they should be.

most of them didn't really make that money either. They squeezed it out of the labor of others. -HB
Lets get back to the point. What regulations would you use that would stop this? Specific details please.
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I think my vote today will remain on User. He hasn’t done anything substantive. He dodged my question which there’s no reason to do unless you’re scum.
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@HistoryBuff
No, i feel like I am being very clear but somehow you are still not understanding me. Greed is a powerful motivator and can be channeled to accomplish great things. However if you do not put lots of checks and balances in place to keep that greed channeled into a constructive direction, you end up with horrible consequences. People end up dead or financially ruined. That it why we need capitalism, but with strong government regulation to make sure that people profit, but that it is good for the country and the people, not just a small handful of rich oligarchs. 
Laborers are ALWAYS going to earn less than the owner of the company. What regulations do you specifically advocate for? Please give some specifics.

im not backed into any corner. I know corporations are the backbone of the economy. I have never disputed that. I have also never said we should get rid of profit. I don't know where you are getting this stupid ideas. I am not saying them. Why do you think that the choices are unregulated, chaos or communism?
You said corporations are inherently greedy because they want to earn money. To stop greed you need to get rid of their desire to earn money. What am I getting wrong here? Please explain. 
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@Greyparrot
He’s contradicting himself so hard lol. He knows corporations are the backbone of the economy and to get rid of profit you’d inherently need govt control. He just refuses to admit it when he’s wrong so he’s backed himself into a corner.
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@HistoryBuff
I want corporations to make jobs and make money.
But that’s greedy and greed is bad right?
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@HistoryBuff
the free market created the current system. It has failed. The free market is good at certain things. But primarily, it is good at making money. It is not inherently good at looking after the needs of people. Which is exactly what a healthcare system needs to do. 
Ya Obamacare was “free market.” It more government. A free market breeds competition which decreases prices across the board. Basic economics really.

This is just an incorrect statement. It's like saying that a man has a sandwich. If I also give him a drink I must be stealing the sandwich!!!.
No that’s a terrible analogy. A better analogy is a person likes a veggie sandwich. You’re going to take it away and give the person a chicken sandwich. You however don’t know whether the person is going to like it or not. That is with the person. If the person likes veggie sandwiches better he’s going to keep the veggie sandwiches whether he likes chicken sandwiches or not.

Medicare for all, by definition, covers everything. So no one is losing any coverage. No one is losing insurance.
I never said they were. Strawman 

At worst they are maintaining the same coverage they have now.
Now this is false. Some people are going to get less coverage than what they already get, namely people who utilize private healthcare because the govt isn’t efficient. Prime example is Canada. Sure you’ll get your treatment but after a long ass period of time.

The vast majority will be getting much better coverage. No one is losing their insurance. Not a single person.
You’re contradicting what you said earlier. Some people will be losing what they get. The question isn’t whether they’re losing insurance it’s whether they’re going to lose the quality of their insurance. If people like their insurance why do you want to force them off of what they like and onto what you like. Does the govt know what I like?

of course you can have it both ways. We have been working on that for the last century. We want the competitive advantages of capitalism, but the control and concern for the public good. That is exactly what regulations are for. They contain the excess and the greed that is one of the main drawbacks of capitalism.
You’ve said corporations are inherently greedy because they care about profits. You also claim that greed is inherently want. There “regulating” greed still leaves greed which is inherently bad per your logic. You can’t have competition if the govt decides prices and payrolls and where someone buys products.

You are misunderstanding me. Greed is what drives corporations. That greed is necessary and can be a force for good. However, that greed is often at odds with the public good. That is why strong government regulations are desperately needed. That way we get the benefits of competition and capitalism, without the horrible side effects of uncontrolled avarice.
You say corporations are greedy. Strong government regulations require complete control of the corporations to get rid profit which is inherently to you profit is inherently greedy. So which is it? Your premise is that we need to get rid of greed by regulation. Greed will exist as long as profits exist. How do you get rid of profits? Govt. What does that result in? Socialism 
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@Greyparrot
HB is arguing that companies shouldn’t be greedy by making profits. To get rid of the greed he wants more government regulation. Enough so that the govt controls how a company acts. Vaguely familiar to socialism huh?
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The current system lets millions go bankrupt and countless people get sicker and/or die. The current system is broken as hell. But you think the government who is too incompetent to manage healthcare?
Who created the current system? 🤔🤔. Maybe a free market approach across state lines with more competition could lower prices. The free market is proven to work historically. And the fact remains, with Medicare for All you’re going to force people off of the health insurance they like.

no, i want reasonable regulations of businesses so that we can guarantee that they act in the public good while they also try to earn a profit. For example, companies used to use alot of child labor to earn a profit. As a society we decided that should not be allowed. Companies bitched and moaned about how that limited their ability to make money. But they adapted, and as a society we are all much better off for it.

If left entirely to their own devices, corporations will do horrible things in pursuit of profit. The government needs to be a check on that greed to ensure that the public good is being maintained.
The whole point of a corporation is to earn money. That’s the definition of business. Without the money incentive there won’t be business. I hope you realize that. You can’t have it both ways. If you want to eliminate greed you won’t have corporations. You’ve already mentioned that companies are inherently greedy and greed is inherently bad. Congrats you’ve just destroyed the economy by destroying businesses.
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@User_2006
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