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1. Wylted
2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Owen
5. Earth
6. Lunatic
7. Savant
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Backup: Barney
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Double Voter is a scummy role in my eyes, which is why I used the excuse of “I’m confirmable” to try to delay my full claim as much as possible. I agree with you that role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation
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@JoeBob
I’d rather go after you. You say your a comfortable role. When will you be confirmed?
I’d rather not. I’ll be confirmed 100% before MYLO. Either way, help me pressure Disc
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@whiteflame
I think you'd have to believe that WyIted would give out a lynchproof role to scum, which they can activate at any point during the DP, for this to be true. I get the comparison to the Magistrate, but that role at least required some anticipation of a wagon forming since it was only usable during the NP, and couldn't be used on yourself (to my knowledge).
Mod psyche wise, I think it’s in the game cause he had the role before. And Wylted has talked about a Silencer before I think. But that’s also why he’s in the extended POE instead of the 3 I have. Also, Owen hasn’t said his justification yet. How does a Howard Dean “rant” (if you even count it as one) lead to lynchproof? If anything, he was forced to drop out
Yes, that's what I said. Given that no one else has claimed to have results from the NP, I'd say the lack of a CC isn't proof positive, so the lean town pile makes sense to me.
It’s an odd enough role that it could be a fake claim, but the lack of CC so far puts him null/lean town.
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@Savant
Given that scum have already messed with roles and might do so again, I'm not sure we should be pushing for everyone and their mother to full claim. I think there are probably general questions we could ask about DD's role before we make them tell us everything.
I disagree. If anything, we should get the full claim of one time traveler, especially one who has been ignorant of everything happening.
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1. Savant
2. Pie
3. Whiteflame
4. Lunatic - DP1: ???; DP2: Big Red: Silencer
5. Casey - Bill O’Reilly Rant - Reporter
6. JoeBob - DP1: Big Red: Silencer; DP2: ???
7. Disc
8. Austin
9. Owen - Howard Dean Rant - 1x Lynchproof
10.Barney - Short Man Rant - Hated
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@Casey_Risk
Alright, fair enough. I am the Reporter. I can target someone at night to see if they visited anyone. Last night I targeted Savant, who did not visit anyone.
What’s your justification?
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@whiteflame
I'm fairly confused by this. Why is Owen anything but strong town given that he just confirmed himself to be lynchproof?
He said it’s only for one day. It could theoretically be a scum role like the magistrate, but that’s why he’s in the lean town/null pile.
JoeBob is an odd one, too, though I guess I understand how he could be in PoE if you believe he's pulling a pretty big gambit. I don't see how the claimed investigative role automatically places Casey in the "Strong Town" pile, either.
If anyone wants to CC it then I’m open to it, but now that he’s claimed Reporter, I’m moving back to null/lean town. The way he described it, it’s a Tracker, not a Reporter.
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@Casey_Risk
Alright, I'll say this much: I am an investigative role. I'd prefer to not give more detail just yet.Also, please remember to tag me if you are going to vote for me.
What were your results. They can help us with POE.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
Help me pressure Disc please
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What is with this confirmable role meme you keep spamming? Am I wrong in remembering that you said you couldn't confirm your affiliation with it?
I can’t, but I already soft claimed too early on, and my role is weak/broken for scum anyways.
So let’s get on with this. Full claim Disc
VTL Disc
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Alright so
Pie, Barney, Casey, Austin <— Strong Town for now
Owen, Savant <— Null/Lean town
JoeBob, WF, Disc <—POE
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I honestly want to push Disc for going after someone who has a confirmable role while ignoring people who do not have that and ignoring inactives. For now I’m okay with getting a claim from Casey because of post 80
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@Owen_T
You can try to lynch me. I don't really know what else I can do.
What’s your justification? What links Howard Dean to 1x Lynchproof
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@Owen_T
Okay so I'm Howard Dean. My ability is the Howard Dean scream, I can become immune to being lynched for one day period.
What’s the justification?
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@Owen_T
Hi everyone sorry for the inactivity. I still need to catch up on things, I've had a hectic day. I should be more active now.I
Great so you haven’t been silenced. Please full claim.
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So if Owen doesn’t post, then we can safely assume that he has been silenced, in which case we lynch JoeBob for lying. If JoeBob flips innocent, then we lynch Owen tomorrow for faking being silenced. Pretty simple. Even if Owen waits till the last second in the DP to post, he has to be scum
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Alternatively it could be that scum Owen is faking being silenced. His character isn’t really a rant snd there was some suspicion about that last DP, which may be the basis for why he was targeted. A town silencer targeting someone seems like negative utility though unless they know for certain that individual is scum.
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So if Owen is silenced then JoeBob or Lunatic could have silenced them assuming the NK processes last, which it does (got confirmation from Wylted). So then the question is who silenced who. Cause if a hated townie and a scum silencer exist, then scum can win at LYLO regardless if a hated townie is alive or not since they would silence a townie and their vote wouldn’t count.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Owen not posting situation is something to note but with a silencer I wouldn't lynch just based on that.
He may not be able to talk but he can still communicate via upvote or something like that.
As you point out joebob could be lying about not using it. It could also be that lunatic used it before the switch... you know, different timelines.
JoeBob could certainly be lying about it. But why switch with someone and then kill then as well. That’s a waste imo, but it’s still a distinct possibility. Also, Lunatic didn’t have the silencer before the switch.
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@JoeBob
What did you dislike about what Casey said?
It’s screams try hard to me. There’s a lot of repetition like you’re explaining to a baby. Owen has played 2 games and he knows how it works. It just seems disingenuous to me like they’re trying hard to help/buddy someone they know is town from their POV
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The response he gave in post 58 served to imply an attack on me asking in the first place and attempt to redirect the attention elsewhere. Compare this to an alternate response that doesn't involve claiming, which could look something like "I do not want to claim for x reason".
You can use hypotheticals all day. Though you have yet to answer why not Owen, who has done nothing. Going straight to lynch Pie when Owen has not even posted is odd.
The response he gave implies defensiveness while the response he could have given implies conditional cooperation.
I’ve been cooperative since the beginning. I already said my role is confirmable DP1 to avoid a rabbit hole. If your role isn’t confirmable then you should full claim before I do.
Further dialogue along the same line consistently kept that same tone.Back to work my next break is in a few hours.
You also haven’t joined the I want Owen to role claim wagon. Why do you refuse to acknowledge him?
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Savant
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
Help me pressure Owen for a role claim
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@whiteflame
So is the idea to lynch Pie? Because I'm not down for that with a confirmable role, even if it doesn't confirm his affiliation. I don't love that he avoided answering your question, but that's not reason enough for me to pursue that lynch. I have other reasons to be against it based on what he has hinted at so far as well through his softclaim.
I actually did answer his question albeit via another question.
That being said, I have a similar PoE to you with the exception of Austin, who I'm townreading based on his saying that his role supports the existence of Barney's Hated. Maybe I'm just not in the same headspace as you and Pie, but Austin said his role is highly indicative of his being town and at least softclaimed something that suggests a Hated in the game. Savant says he's somewhat confirmable, and I agree that he's behaviorally above board.
What’s interesting to me is how Disc has focused exclusively on me. Owen has not said a word this DP. Austin’s soft claim to me is scummy, but if he says it’s a town aligned role then maybe it’s fine. Keep in mind that tomorrow we are forced to lynch Barney because of his claim, so it’s imperative to catch scum this DP.
So that puts my aim squarely at 3 people: Casey, Owen and you. We have character claims from the former two and nothing from you so far, but you're the least behaviorally sus of those three, so I'm open to getting a role claim from either Casey or Owen first.
I’m fine getting a role claim from Owen and then a character claim from Disc. No one in the time traveler category has claimed yet to my understanding, which is restricting a lot of information. Help me pressure Owen
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Alright that's all the deflection I need to hear let's lynch the sucker.
Lol go ahead and lynch someone who has a confirmable role over people who have contributed nothing to the game and haven’t even character claimed.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Is it one of those roles that could be town or scum? If so I don't really care.
So again, why me over Austin if this is the case?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If you said that then I missed it. It isn't noted on the list.
I did say it in DP1.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What makes you so sure he is lying about being confirmed by MyLo?
What makes you so sure I’m lying about being confirmable?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Pie is the only one out of those four that hasn't already claimed so let's start by getting a claim from him.vtl pie
What about Austin?
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1. Savant
2. Pie
3. Whiteflame
4. Lunatic - DP1: ???; DP2: Big Red: Silencer
5. Casey - Bill O’Reilly Rant - ???
6. JoeBob - DP1: Big Red: Silencer; DP2: ???
7. Disc
8. Austin
9. Owen - Howard Dean Rant - ???
10.Barney - Short Man Rant - Hated
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So I’m all caught up. A couple of thoughts: if JoeBob is admitting to having his role swapped with Lunatic, then a Role Swapper is likely. But this doesn’t affiliation confirm JoeBob. A scummate could’ve switched scum JoeBob’s role with Luna’s. After all, silencer is a scum role. Now here’s the issue in what JoeBob said:
I have a new role and character, not saying what it is.My role and character from DP1, is what it says lunatics is.
Lunatic had already character claimed last DP, and JoeBob hasn’t confirmed that he has Luna’s character, which is odd. Why hide that?
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@JoeBob
I have a new role and character, not saying what it is.My role and character from DP1, is what it says lunatics is.what kind of sorcery is this
So who did you use the Silencer on and why?
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2. Whiteflame
3. Casey
4. Owen
5. Earth
6. Lunatic
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Backup: Barney
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DP1: 8-2
DP2: 6-2
DP3: 4-2
Actually, both options town gets one lynch opportunity and one forced lynch on Barney. But the difference is that LYLO we have more odds. Unless it’s 7-2-1, but as I’m typing this time expired
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Let me do the math on VTNL.
DP1: 8–2
DP2: 7-2
DP3: 5-2
DP4: 3-2 is LYLO
We should 100% not be VTNL here, but it’s too late to even choose.
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@Savant
Can you explain your vote on Owen a bit more? I don't feel super strongly about him, but he's at least a better option than policy lynching Barney.
It was to get him to answer my question, which he still hasn’t.
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1. Savant
2. Pie
3. Whiteflame
4. Lunatic
5. Casey - Bill O’Reilly Rant - ???
6. JoeBob
7. Disc
8. Austin
9. Owen - Howard Dean Rant - ???
10.Barney - Short Man Rant - Hated
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@whiteflame
My experience with him has been that if he felt it was worthwhile, he'd argue for what he's seeking, and the lack of attention on it beyond asking DD a question about why he's not seeking it doesn't sit right with me.
I still think you should character claim. No one has answered why they townread you.
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@Savant
If he is, it's not for the reasons you said.
My reason was math. He’s more likely town than not, but we’re forced to get rid of him barring any better lynches because of math. What reasons are anti town?
And even though he's lynchable, I already said I'm hesitant to go after him in that same post.
That’s fine but we’re going to have to at some point in the game
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@Savant
I town read Owen right now, since they are putting more effort into posting than I would expect as scum.
???
That means viable lynches rn (based on votes) are Barney, Pie, and JoeBob. I don't love Barney being on there, and I think we have room to expand our scum hunt, but I see Pie's behavior as anti-town for reasons I've already stated.
So Barney is a viable lynch but I’m anti-town for suggesting it?
I'd like whiteflame or Luna to take a look at his posts and see if they agree.
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@Owen_T
I think Barney is definitely safe, they're putting a lot of effort into organizing scum hunting
Explain
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because I town read him. Seems obvious.
What makes you townread him?
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@Owen_T
I thought you were talking about he weird "what do you know" question. I didn't see the scum read one.I don't scum read anyone so far. There isn't really anything to go off of.
Okay, then who do you townread?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Idt you ever answered my question. Why should we not get a claim from Whiteflame?
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