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@whiteflame
I just know I prefer it to atleast allow comments so both debaters can negotiate terms after a challenge, easier
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@whiteflame
Hmm... not sure. My guess is that there's some issue with sharing it before it is accepted. I'd like to see what happens after ComputerNerd accepts it, but I'll see what I can do in the meantime.
I remember experiencing this problem before. I think it's a quirk that works itself out when accepted.
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@RationalMadman
I thought it was funny. The older you get the worse your jokes get though.
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@RationalMadman
Homophobia would be a type of prejudice against homosexuals.
Claiming that living in a depraved society contributes to the environmental impacts that cause homophobia, is not the same as saying that homosexuals are lesser than or bad people. It is not even a statement as to whether being homosexual is an ethical thing.
In fact it can be simultaneously true that living in a depraved society causes lots of homosexuality and that being a homosexual is superior to being a heterosexual.
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@RationalMadman
That isn't a homophobic statement.
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@Theweakeredge
The very next sentence I acknowledge a genetic predisposition is possible. I already quoted the sentence. The first sentence might be due to my sloppiness at making myself clear.
It should perhaps read
homosexuality is not strictly or even predominantly a genetic thing.
The second sentence you just gloss over, without considering what the first sentence would mean, given that context.
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That is a rewording of the following statement
believe there could be genetic predisposition, but it is a preference thing.
This statement acknowledges a likely genetic component and mentions environmental reasons as well.
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@Theweakeredge
To be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, a combination of genetic and environmental factors influence and cause differences in sexuality
That is literally what I said.
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This is the dumbest interpretation of the 13th amendment I have ever seen. If we accepted this interpretation, it would mean a libertarian state, utilizing the non aggression principle.
I'd advise you to read the opinions of the judges who passed Roe vs Wade, for a better understanding of why they passed the bill.
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@Greyparrot
Dude literally just invites people to his show and asks them questions. The prime reason they have this campaign of tearing him down is because he interviewed people with controversial opinions on covid19.
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@Yassine
- In history*. The author must be dead, to eliminate the possibility of recourse.
wrong, history just means the past. 20 minutes ago is the past.
- Your argument is only valid for yourself, as the one with the first-person experience. It isn't otherwise. Once the information in your book need be accessed by another party, new considerations other than first-person experience are required to validate authenticity.
Your argument is that it is better preserved, not that it is provably better preserved.
You know what, the Quran is still better preserved than your first-person experience book.
It is possible to be equally as preserved, but not better. stupid argument
I knew we would get into stupid semantics though, as immediately you attempted to alter what the word history means
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@Yassine
Your claim is that the Koran is more accurately preserved than any other book. I am not even going to question that it has been accurately preserved. I am questioning your stupid belief, that if I wrote a book 10 minutes ago and have it in front of me, that the Koran is somehow better preserved than that.
Literally impossible.
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@Double_R
Look at the questions I asked in the op.
I saw this unprovoked attack. I know who was in the wrong, why did the black officers take the attacker's word for what was happening, and arrest the white woman? What type of bullshit story could he possibly have given them to take his side?
You are like at extra information that has nothing to do with the crux of the questions.
Clearly the scenario was meant to set up those questions.
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@Double_R
They stated Russia was planning a false flag. The claim is without evidence.
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@Yassine
Maybe she did maybe she didn't. How do you know? You're not actually providing any reasons to believe in the authenticity of your book.
I knew this would get retarded fast. We have the original manuscript still.
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@Yassine
How do you know that alleged original copy is preserved verbatim from Rand's words? I could just as easily dismiss your assertions, there is nothing compelling me to believe in claimed perfect preservation.
She literally typed them up. This is a retarded round of questions. I could ask the same questions, about muhhamed, but won't because it is a retarded line of quesyioning
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@Yassine
That's the conclusion. How do you establish that? At this point you lost the debate, as you made a bare assertion.
The original copy of her book exists and you can look at it and compare it with the copy you bought at Barnes and Noble
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@Yassine
It has the exact words the author written, I. It contained in the original language
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@Yassine
That would certainly be annoying, especially when you lose. How about: the Quran is better preserved verbatim than [your book
Why don't you explain this. How is it better preserved than Atlas Shrugged?
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@Yassine
No, because I already know what you will do. We will spend the entire debate, arguing over the definition of the word preserve, and I will win because I will use the Oxford dictionary to prove your definition was stupid the whole time.
This will end up a semantics argument. I'll win, but the process will be annoying.
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@Lunatic
I got a new job also. I am going to be an insurance agent. Studying to become one, made me hate insurance companies though. The fact some of these laws exist, has got to be because some insurance co.pany was unethical enough to attempt some of this shit. Pure evil.
There are 2 types of insurance laws
1. The laws that are there only because insurance companies are evil and attempted evil stuff
2. The laws that help insurance companies fuck over customers.
Very few of the laws exist to actually protect the customer.
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@Yassine
Key word here being "in history", a book written today or tomorrow does not belong to History, only a book whose author is dead. That said, the Quran would still be better preserved than your future novel.
Preserved means word for word the same. Even the iIlyad which predates the Koran is preserved LOL.
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@3RU7AL
i think most people would agree that it would be viewed initially as an exhilarating challenge,
Then you would score it a one on the questionnaire.
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@Yassine
I would be interested in this one
The Chinese communist state is superior to the Western democratic state
A lot of these topics are not sensible at all though. For example, one of many examples
Atheism is unattainable
It's literally a belief system. You attain it, just by being atheist.
Also the Koran being the best preserved book. I could write a book tomorrow and it would by definition be better preserved than any book made prior to it, in history.
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@3RU7AL
We have to look at whether unexpected things give them a high level of anxiety or low level of anxiety. This is not about enjoying novel things or whether you like routine or not.
It is about your tolerance to ambiguity. You can have low tolerance and hate routine and love novel things. It's not about those things.
Let's say you are given a project at work. It is your first day, working at a brewery. The boss says to you, go out and get me 3 contracts to deliver beer to places that serve beer.
Is that a scenario you would find anxiety producing, or would you just be indifferent or happy about the situation?
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@Yassine
- Any thing you're still struggling with or chose to not deal with it?
Only internally, not with the word.
Why not a command for forbearance?
I think the story of Job does enough to stress the importance of forbearance.
It makes more sense that the original Aramaic expression should translate to "fit a thick rope through the eye of a needle" rather than "fit a camel through the eye of a needle", just as its Arabic counterpart does.
What's important I think is the meaning of the verse, which is the same whether you use camel or rope
About that debate though, any interest?
No, I don't like how the debate is framed. I am willing to consider debates titled things such as
1. Muhammed was not a prophet
It's a difficult thing to argue argue refined absurdities though. You would have similar difficulty arguing against obsessed 9/11 truthers.
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I'd rather pick a topic topic the sits outside of both of our comfort zones. Do you ever talk about anything non Islam related? Like for example things relating to work or money etc.
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@3RU7AL
You have been struggling with abstract and conceptual thinking for a while. I first spotted it when you posted about an essay your teacher wanted you to do, but you struggled with it understanding the instructions. It's an essay title that is clear to most people, and I spent a lot of time breaking down what was expected to you, and you still struggled to grasp it.
All I know is the lack of abstract reasoning on your part, means that a lot of stuff will go over your head. A lot of stuff, that would just not go over anybody else's head.
I think the ability to think abstractly is genetic. A lot like IQ. I'm not sure me breaking g that down will help you. I can tell you. I will spend a few hours researching how to improve abstract reasoning, and get back to you, if I find anything. However, I think it's a lost cause .
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@Double_R
It baits you into clicking. After that, you are supposed to drop all biases and use logic
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@Double_R
You have to build popular support before that stage
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@oromagi
Amazing, isn't it, how one's political ideology reflects one's one's theology?You are arguing that Christians should submit to evil. Let's assume that if the devil has any competence at all, you are already enlisted in his ranks.
God defines what is good and evil. Judging by your previous posts, your IQ is likely in the 120 to 130 range.
Why do you struggle with philosophy and lean heavy on pragmatic styles of thinking?
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@3RU7AL
but perhaps not in all situations
Your point is? That the person would be too stupid to know the test is referencing how your feelings would be in general?
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@3RU7AL
you're forgetting that people often enjoy mystery and puzzle solving
They would score themselves a 1.
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I removed all the questions that related to ambiguity, and placed them in this thread. I also removed the questions that check for dishonesty
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@3RU7AL
Here is the citation, but seriously study logic. It shouldn't be hard for somebody with an average level of intelligence to see how these questions relate to measuring ambiguity.
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@3RU7AL
1.I don't like situations that are uncertaincertainty is a childish illusion1.........strongly disagree2....moderately disagree3...........slightly disagree4................slightly agree5.........moderately agree6..............strongly agreeNONE OF THE ABOVE
Incorrect. Here is your answer
certainty is a childish illusion
This answer implies that in the middle of an uncertain situation, you would be comfortable. That is unless you find every situation uncomfortable, because they are all uncertain.
I'd also expect you to use some common sense here. If you are taking an extreme view because you can't possibly have 100% certainty, than clearly anyone using common sense and who has a reasonable IQ level, will know to interpret it to mean
In situations with 70% certainty of knowing the results vs situations where you have 10% certainty, are you significantly more likely to experience anxiety.
This isn't a difficult concept brutal. If you struggle with logic, than you should really work on it, since this site is one where we debate to see who uses logic better.
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@3RU7AL
D0 you think about what you say?
It measures tolerance of ambiguity. I think it does about as well as possible for a short survey, particularly since a teamed of trained psychologists developed the test.
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@3RU7AL
D0 you think about what you say?
It measures tolerance of ambiguity. I think it does about as well as possible for a short survey, particularly since a teamed of trained psychologists developed the test.
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@3RU7AL
It is a 1 to 6 scoring.
nopein the same waydog peopleand cat peopleare evenly distributed between the "left" and "right"
I doubt they are evenly distributed. But with ambiguity, we do see evidence that dictators in non democratic regines tend to have an intolerance of ambiguity.
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@zedvictor4
So what makes you label me as liberal?
I don't. The test measures tolerance of ambiguity. I think liberals will score lower in general. However if you have a mental instability. The mental instability would effect the test more than political leanings if it related to things dealing with ambiguity. A person with a disorder that causes them to engage in word salad, will certainly be fine with ambiguity
So the test was deliberately ambiguous.
Not at all. It tests for ambiguity.
Ergo, top score 12, lowest score 6.....And I would have scored 12 like most other honest participants.
Each question has a possible score from 1 to 6, leaving rooms for any score ranging from 6 to 36.
12 would not be the top score.
And nut jobs would have deliberately scored 6 in a futile attempt to disguise their paranoia.
That's incorrect. I am anparanoid person and told you mys score was high
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@Yassine
Unfortunately I am a genius, with great work ethic and the ability to easily climb social hierarchies. So I would apply for jobs that were bottom of the barrel and then get to a 6 figure position within a couple of years and then quit because I felt like having money would make me go to hell.- It didn't occur to you all those wealthy White Christians greeding around...?
I just thought they were unwilling to be uncomfortable to save their soul.
How did you deal with the doubts & the contentious things in the Bible & Christianity?
NY digging deeper into them. Learning the culture at the time, studying the words that the verses were interpreted from. Learning the events at that time, etc.
For example. The turning the other cheek I mentioned thinking it was a command to be a door mat. The speech was about how to commit a non violent revolution, like grand did. The Roman's would only be allowed to smack people with their left hand, so by presenting your other cheek, they were forced to smack you with the incorrect hand.
The same speech he says, if your enemy asks you to carry their belongings one mile, carry them 2, because Roman law said romans were only allowed to have the community they were occupying carry stuff for one mile.
With the camel and the eye of the needle. Jesus did not make up the phrase. A lot of rabbis before him used it, so I looked at the context those rabbis said it in. The rabbis meant it was hard and used it as a way to just help get the message across.
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@Yassine
How did you lose your faith the first time? Was the change emotionally driven or intellectually driven?
A bit of both. As a kid I studied the bibble very hard. Reading it over and over, and taking it very literally. It affected me negatively for a while. Jesus says, it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich person to go to heaven. Unfortunately I am a genius, with great work ethic and the ability to easily climb social hierarchies. So I would apply for jobs that were bottom of the barrel and then get to a 6 figure position within a couple of years and then quit because I felt like having money would make me go to hell.
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I also took, turn the other cheek too seriously and allowed myself to be abused and to be a door mat. I began to hate christianity. I thought at first, if God was real, certainly even me destroying myself is worth it, because following him is more important than earthly pleasures. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't force myself to believe though. Finally I accepted God was not real.
I read something in a Bible that said, cast your bread among the water and it will return 3 fold. Without telling anybody I took a piece of bread and threw it in a toilet and flushed it. I shit you not, 3 days later, I went to the bathroom and 3 pieces of bread were floating in the toilet.
Another time, I was in am accident and an angel came to me. He said that God Loves me and will take care of me. He comforted me.
I brushed off these things as my mind playing tricks on me, but a few years ago, a belief just came over me. I can't explain it.
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@oromagi
What compassionate God would create a hell for his children or withhold a heaven? If God is compassionate than such realms must not exist. If God is not compassionate than he does not merit my faith.
He merits your faith whether he is compassionate or not. Even if he were evil, he would merit it. You are merely human and cannot possibly comprehend his morality in any sane way.
Hell is not a biblical concept, it is bullshit made up because it gets butts in seats. He doess not withold heaven from anybody. It's your freewill . You decide whether you go or not. If you die without taking the steps, you won't go to hell though. It's my personal belief you can get redemption after death, but even if you can't the fire and brimstone message is wrong. The Jews have no concept of hell, and when you get into the new testament, the closest thing you get is satan at the end times, being thrown into the lake of fire.
I assume, you know how to get to heaven, but if you don't. Here you go
John 3:16
New International Version
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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@Yassine
I doubt you'd even consider a Jewish or secular translation of your Bible, as that would simply obliterate your faith.
It would literally be the same thing LOL,
When I translate German to English, I don't do so based on my belief, I literally just swap the German words for english ones. I know German, Spanish and English. and I can tell you, you pretty much just swap words. It doesn't matter if I am translating religious work or political beliefs I disagree with. It's going to be the same translation either way. Facts are facts
- Doesn't change anything about the gross inaccuracy of the translation. Going back to OP, what made you change your mind? On what? Also, deep down, what makes you really believe? What would it take for you to change your beliefs?
I can't think of something specific, but it made me think the Koran is not necessarily a violent book, just because some Muslims interpret it that way.
What makes me believe in God, is a feeling. I was a lifelong atheist, though I was raised in a Christian household. At about 37 I just started to believe. Like something was implanted in me. I had some spiritual things I experienced in the past as well, I tried to reason my way out of.
If you are asking, what it would take to make me Muslim, I'd have to know that Muhammad was not a mere cult leader. I would have to know, the man was sane, was honest and that his words really came from God.
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@Yassine
Also, there is no sense to a non-practitioner translating a book. Would you trust a Muslim translation of the Bible?
Bible translations are done by massive teams of translators who are a mix of belief systems including Christian Jewish and atheist.
The correct interpretation is what we are after, not the spin of ideologues. The jew you are speaking about loved the Koran and was only interested in accuracy. The mistakes I have seen pointed out by Muslims are things like "he sad man, when it should say everyone" Perhaps from non native English speakers that Don't know in the lot of contexts man means the same thing as "everyone ". Another criticism I read was another petty issue about the translator saying something along the lines of "don't doubt the koran" and they said it should say "no doubts within the Koran" which literally means the exact same thing, but the first sentence is easier to understand.
These are stupid criticisms, tbh
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@Yassine
Because he was paid money and is an academic capable of the job. You could just as easily say Muslims hate the translation because it is the most accurate one and gives away their plans
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@Yassine
I checked that translation, it's pretty inaccurate to say the least. What else can you expect from a Jew translating the holy book of an adversary faith.
Fucking jews, am I right?
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@zedvictor4
That's because your post was seems nonsensical to me. I will try to make sense of it though.
Seems like a disingenuously constructed survey....(One either agrees or disagrees)
IT was constructed by psychologists merely trying to determine tolerance of ambiguity.
Whereby, honest answers should render everyone similar.
Would you believe anyone if they said that they had scored 6/11?
That would be odd if everyone had the same exact tolerance for ambiguity
I think that a genuine score of 6/11 would be more indictive of mental state, than of political leaning. ( A mental state comparative to a socially recognised norm)
It would be. The test was not meant to measure political leanings. I am looking for a trend , and so far it seems to hold true
A genuine 6/11 would probably live in the backwoods with a shed full of guns for company, and in reality would be a very paranoid 36.
It is impossible to score a 6/11 on this test
And by the way....I'm an on the fence non-voter. Still prepared to put my trust in majority British thinking.
As you should be
So what would you expect me to score?
Probably on the lower end of the scale. Even lower than normal liberals.
N.B. Question 6 is somewhat misleading......Hence 6/11.
There is no such thing as misleading questions. Only misleading answers
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@RationalMadman
Penguin makes an English version of the Koran that is pretty well translated. So accurately translated, that Muslims hate the penguin version.
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@Yassine
I've been arguing with you lot about faith, mostly Islam, for a while now. I'm curious, have any of you changed your mind or revised your views about the religion or any topic regarding Islam after our exchanges. If so, what topic? Why? Or why not?
I have. I usually don't admit it when it happens and just continue to argue, but you have changed my mind about a lot.
The one thing that annoys me about you is you Don't give straight answers on fruits. Should being a homo be tolerated? My vote is no. You always dodge this yes or no question though. I feel like you are here to spread a positive message about Islam, or at least what most westerners consider positive as opposed to having an honest discussion.
Despite this holding back of honesty, I have found your words very informative and enlightening.
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