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The kritik that I want to write but probably don't: The world will end before alternative energy can be implemented on a substantial scale, Vote CON.
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Can anyone attest to (and link) a debate where someone actually used 30,000 characters in one round? I don't know if there are any and I definitely don't remember seeing one myself .
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@seldiora
There are 347 DArt accounts, according to the leaderboard. Of those, maybe 30 or 40 visit the site with regularity and about 10-20 comprise 90% of debates and forums. You are one of them. You're doing alright.
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I was looking at the leaderboard and the different sorting methods. I noticed that RationalMadman by far has the most wins, over twice as much as Oromagi, who is second in this category, but he is also 2nd place for number of losses, with only Type1, a notorious troll in the history of DArt, having more losses. So while Oromagi is 1st in points, and RationalMadman 9th, it seems like the best strategy to get a lot of wins is to simply engage in tons of debates, rather than carefully picking a few debates.
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Apparently I type slow. I took a couple of tests and averaged 45 wpm. That was typing prompted words on a screen, not coming up with an original thought.
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@Lemming
People are encouraged to punish their own thoughts. They are taught that they should hate themselves for their sins.
The following verses to what I quoted previously state
"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out,
and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for
thee that one of thy members should perish, and
not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for
thee that one of thy members should perish, and
not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and
cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee
that one of thy members should perish, and not
that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee
that one of thy members should perish, and not
that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
Take that as you will.
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"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Jesus = Big Brother comfirmed
Yes bad thoughts are bad, but punishing people for thinking is ridiculous when we have freedom of speech.
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@sadolite
A. Those were not the only tools used to shape stone at the time. Rasps can produce edges with enough patience that a chisel could not.
B. You claim to work in marble and granite, not in sandstone, which the pyramids were made of. I have no idea if your knowledge is reliable or if it even applies to sandstone.
C. Some experts believe that the ancient Egyptians cast at least some of the stones, similarly to cement blocks, rather than quarrying them, so you may be partially right. Their estimates for the construction dates have not changed.
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@Lemming
I'm not sure that non-renewable resources, are a worry quite.Only resources a human 'needs, I think isFood, water, air, and shelter, and not currently at a threat to run out I'd say.Though 'eventually they would be.
These are no longer the only resources our societies need to survive. In order to sustain our food distribution to population centers, to run our agricultural machines, to get people to and from their jobs every day, to generate electricity, we are reliant on oil and coal. We also have to be careful with climate change. As you can see from the Montreal Protocol, we are capable of destroying our climate, and capable of mobilizing to prevent its destruction.
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@sadolite
You said that you were wrong about Stonehenge, I was talking about the Pyramids, which you haven't said anything about. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was railroading you after you had already admitted, but I was referring to a different point. I'll leave it at that.
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@Lemming
Overexploitation of non-renewable resources is the main one. A lot of people worry about unemployment rising as automation eliminates more jobs. I haven't really researched this one, but a glance at unemployment rates over the last few decades would suggest that the stimulation of the economy is more corellated than it is to an overall trend of increased automation, so I'm not sure about this one. Deforestation is occurring in developing countries to support the agricultural needs of their growing populations.
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@sadolite
And you explain the dozens of records extending hundreds of years back how?
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@sadolite
I don't know, what is the motive of archaeologist to still insist the pyramids were built in 20 years by 10,000 people using wooden mallets and brass chisels.?
This statement proves nothing. A. Scholars do not agree about the construction methods of the pyramids. B. A single pyramid would be built in the span of approximately 20 years. C. The Egyptians would likely be using copper or bronze, not brass instruments. D. There is documentation surrounding the construction of the pyramids and corroboration from visiting traders and diplomats that they existed long before historians could have faked their existence
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This is mostly a thought experiment. I don't think this is workable as a policy with today's technology or culture, I'm just wondering if there's an important piece I'm missing that would cause this to fail assuming it was supported.
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Pollution, food shortages/distribution problems, unemployment, poverty.
Couldn't a decrease in population make it a lot easier to solve these problems?
For instance, the amount of farmland it takes to maintain livestock is much larger than the area it would take to feed the human race directly. However, this would put millions of people out of a job where there is already too many unemployed. If we had less people, then we could feed the population without putting people out of jobs.
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@Reece101
Jupiter’s and Saturn’s atmospheres are part of theirs
Jupiter and Saturn do not have solid cores underneath the gas and vapors, so it is difficult if not impossible to define the difference between atmosphere and planet in the case of gas giants.
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@Reece101
A trailer is connected to a truck, but not a part of it. I think there is a distinction. I am also "chemically connected to Earth and its flora and fauna," but I do not consider myself part of the planet.
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@Reece101
Connected is different than a part of.
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@Reece101
You get on or in a bus, boat, train, plane, but only in a car. If you get on a car, then you are on top of it. Similarly, I would not say that I am "on Earth" when I reach the outer reaches of the atmosphere. Once I had landed, I would be "on" Earth. I don't see any evidence for your first post, that the atmosphere is part of Earth. It's Earth's atmosphere in the same way that my pencil is my pencil. It's a possession that I have, not part of me.
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@Stephen
Yes they are. What do you want from me?
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@Stephen
Which one of them is correct ?
As an atheist, I clearly believe they're both wrong.
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@Stephen
I'm an atheist. The bible is often contradictory.
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@BrotherDThomas
Mark 16:16, KJV: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
By this definition, only Christians and Mormons would make it into heaven.
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@SirAnonymous
You copypasta this one. ®
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I would say that it's supposed to be a way of being an example. God commands that His children be baptized, so Jesus is baptized. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is made clear that Jesus married Mary Magdalene, and marriage is another important part of God's plan for His children. This is biased by me being raised Mormon, who support eternal marriage as essential to obtaining the highest degree of glory, so I'm not sure how true that is for other sects.
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Are you saying that you think the bible condones (or to some degree condones) polygamy?
As far as Abraham, he had a second wife naned Keturah. But that didn't involve adultry
So yes to polygamy, which is different from adultery. Currently, the Mormon church doesn't support polygamy, so trying to have multiple wives is considered adultery, but In Brigham Young or Abraham's time this was obviously not the case. So why the change?
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@RoderickSpode
Um, obviously yes? Abraham had two wives and had kids with their handmaidens. Solomon supposedly had 1000 wives and concubines.
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Not exactly a scripture story, but when I was a Mormon, I was always bothered by how polygamy slipped in and out of church approval both in the Bible and in Mormon history in America. It's almost as if God's opinion on the matter is subject to public approval.
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I know very little about Intelligence_06, so the best I can honestly say is that he has done nothing to disappoint me and shows spirit for joining this site at 14 9 (I joined at 15).
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I petition that we only hold the sabbath once every 14 billion years to honor the time of Creation
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That is a more reasonable proposition since we haven't seen any evidence of backward causality in the real world, but we are presuming that time travel has occurred in this scenario as a matter of fact, and must expostulate from that information.
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@WaterPhoenix
It's the one that makes the most sense to me.
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@WaterPhoenix
There is only one timeline. Time travel doesn't actually change the past, because the very first time through, is the only time. Even if you travel through time with the intention of killing Hitler, you have already failed.
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@WaterPhoenix
The version of time travel I believe is most likely is the self-consistent version. In other words, you can't alter the past because anything you do after traveling to the past has already happened. In other words, an attempt to kill Hitler as a child would always fail, because we already know that Hitler was not killed as a child. In this scenario, killing your past self would be impossible, and killing the version of yourself that was "teleported to the past" would not be necessary to prevent paradox or changing the past.
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@RationalMadman
Stimulant
Justice
Strategic Cunning
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@fauxlaw
If God were to turn his efforts towards evil, he would surpass your best by far.
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@fauxlaw
Until AI is sentient, and it is a long way from that, AI is nothing like the creation of Adam & Eve.
Technically, it is still fairly analogous to the creation, but not to the fall. The human level of intelligence compared to the hypothetical intelligence of the omniscient God is fairly similar to an AI assistant like Siri or Cortana in relation to a human. They're not totally incompetent, but they can't perform all of the same tasks. The only difference is that AI is already better at many things than humans, such as Chess or Go, whereas Christianity doesn't allow humans to be better than God at anything.
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@User_2006
An interesting point is that "God created man in his own image" Genesis 1:27. For the most part, many conceptions of AI, especially those as represented in fiction are modeled after the human mind (mainly because we intuitively model other human minds). It is only more recently that things like neural networks have been created that are alien to our own brain structure. We are literally unable to think in the same way as these AIs. They don't just think faster, they think in a way that is literally incomprehensible, even to their creators.
This is one of the things anthropologists bring up when they study religion. As an example, the Vikings created a human mind behind thunder and lightning, Thor, because it makes more intuitive sense than some mysterious "science." You can see this over and over again. Almost every culture and religion modeled its spirits and gods as having essentially human minds.
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@n8nrgmi
It seems odd to me to say macro-evolution. What about the evolution of a species that makes it different from a thousand tiny steps like eye color and lactose tolerance? Eventually, you will get a new species from "micro-evolution," so the prefixes are useless except perhaps to indicate a period in which something is happening.
As a result, I disagree that humans have effectively stopped "macro-evolution." It feels as though humans have hardly changed at all since the beginning of civilization, but in the terms of specific (relating to a species) evolution, that isn't a long time. There are indeed fewer physical factors that help promote gene fitness today, with a large proportion of the world's human population enjoying stable diets and environments, but there are other factors to consider.
Evolution is no longer the only force for specific (once again, meaning "relating to a species") change on Earth. Humans have been performing artificial selection for tens of thousands of years, in the domestication of plants and animals, and more recently in the form of GMOs. It is probably only a matter of time before humans artificially alter themselves on a species-wide scale. I hesitate to use the word eugenics because it's historically associated with racism and is mainly conceived to operate through selective breeding. Transhumanism largely favors body augmentation through robotics as opposed to gene manipulation but is a lot closer to what I'm talking about.
tl;dr
"Macro-evolution" is still taking place, but technological advancements will enable humanity to control their own evolution long before it has a large effect.
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@RationalMadman
I consent to be stereotyped.
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@zedvictor4
I'm no expert, so no clear idea, but essentially many-worlds suggests that decoherence and the uncertainty principle aren't just a quantum level thing but scale all the way up, allowing for multiple things to be happening at once, similar to the Schrodinger's Cat, though Schrodinger originally created the thought experiment to represent quantum particles by themselves, not creating an actual cat as a "quantum entity," as you put it.
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@Marko
A tree is not a quantum entity
It depends on what theory you follow.
"Macroscopic decoherence—also known as “many-worlds”—is the idea that the known quantum laws that govern microscopic events simply govern at all levels without alteration."
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@DrSpy
It depends on if you define sound as a vibration in the air or requiring someone to hear it.
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@Crocodile
Mods: Not an advertisement, just helping someone find something.
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@User_2006
If I had a program like the Chinese Room, I might call it an AI, but not all AIs work this way. A neural network applies patterns, which is more general and is closer to how humans think.
My point is that even if there are AIs like the Chinese Room, they aren't the only kind, so I believe that Artificial Intelligence is possible, yes.
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@BrotherDThomas
Galatians 6:9:
“Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
You have given up on me, among others. This isn't Christ-like, as Christ has not given up on anyone.
Matthew 19:26
"But Jesus looked at them and said, 'With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.'”
If Christ doesn't believe that I am irredeemable, then neither should you. Rather than encouraging a "hell-bound atheist" towards sin, you should urge and supplicate with them towards repentance, to accept Christ's forgiveness. Since you do not do this, you have lost my respect, because it means that you do not truly follow the tenets of your religion.
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@BrotherDThomas
Cha Cha, Real smooth...
Just dodge the hard questions, shall we? I asked you why you support lying when your religion says not to, and you ignore me.
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