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@TheUnderdog
For me it's usually 3, but that's not unique to you. That and a mix of getting a better understanding of the opposing belief, which often makes more sense than I originally gave credit for, or is closer to my own than it first read as.
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@TheUnderdog
Yes, animals totally aren't intelligent or capable of speech.
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I think tractor beam is supposed to be short for attractor
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Don't put anyone in prisons because the US prison system is terrible and 70% of prisoners re-offend within 5 years! The only people who benefit from mass incarceration are the companies that the government outsources inmate employment to, at pennies on the dollar.
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@TheUnderdog
I agree. The EU system is still somewhat effective at reducing costs, better than the US in most cases that I've seen, but they also pay higher taxes, so I'm not sure where the optimal tradeoff is. Personally, I would like to see patents on lifesaving medications (if not ALL medications) made illegal, so that any licensed pharmaceutical company can make and sell the product, and you can source it from whoever is charging the least. You can't charge $100 per dose of insulin if your competitor is selling it for $12.
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@TheUnderdog
Which means that the government pays the corporations, rather than the consumer directly. This is where the limitation on prices comes from compared to the US, the government is the biggest buyer, so if they refuse to pay your premium, you're suddenly very low on customers. Meanwhile in the US about 2/3 of people have employee insurance or private insurance, and Medicaid and Medicare have much less coverage than EU public insurance.
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@RationalMadman
There are likely weapons that from soundwaves can make you bleed out of your eyes nose and ears to death.
Supposedly nonlethal, for crowd and border control mostly, but up the decibels or exposure time and it could kill.
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@thett3
It’s different actually. Being a young man you could probably either beat them in a physical confrontation or at least be able to get away.
I was 12-14 at the time. My point is that minors probably shouldn't be seeing any adults naked, no matter their sex.
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AI and stone tools are not genetic, which is either good or bad depending on whether you think humanity can safely adapt to these new changes as quickly as we come up with them. Humans are capable of making very low fitness inventions, such as nuclear weapons, which reduce the probability of humans surviving compared to a world with no nuclear weapons. Darwinian selection necessarily means that every genetic change must confer an immediate reproductive fitness advantage to become more prevalent in future generations. This has gotten humans and other animals remarkably far, considering how short-sighted it ultimately is. This process cannot plan ahead for sudden changes. Evolution does not start promoting a cold adaptive gene in preparation for a coming ice age, it only incrementally updates towards a cold tolerant phenotype as temperatures drop over thousands of years. Humans, especially with CRISPR editing and other bio-augmentation, have a unique opportunity to take the helm and chart our own course in the future, but it's a little scary because natural selection has a 3.7 billion year track record of not screwing up so badly that all life is wiped out, and a ~200,000 year track record of keeping Homo sapiens alive. Humans, on the other hand have understood the process of heredity and natural selection for less than 200 years, and the physical structure of DNA for only 70. That's not to say that we shouldn't experiment, as evolution also has a track record of mercilessly wiping out entire populations when they fail to adapt quickly enough, so the sooner we get out from under that thumb, the better.
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@RationalMadman
I'm bi with a preference for women, actually. As I said before, if the partner is happy with just you, then that's great, but don't pretend that giving them the option of staying loyal or leaving the relationship is equal to giving yourself free rein to have as many women as it takes to make you happy.
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@RationalMadman
I haven't touched the argument or watched the video. I already knew what it was going to be about. I'm trolling about the YMCA's stupid name because I find that more interesting than arguing about bathrooms.
Personally, I don't want to see or be seen naked by anyone in a public facility. I've been checked out by older (30-50s) gay men before, and it makes me feel just as uncomfortable and unsafe as it would if it was someone of the opposite gender.
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@RationalMadman
Equality gets misconstrued a lot to imply that the one in charge or benefitting from a responsible leadership role between the 2 of you overall, AKA shotcaller role, is somehow the lesser partner.
??? How does letting your partners get the same choice as you make you the lesser partner? It's okay to want an unequal power dynamic in your relationship, that's what sub/dom relationships are about, but you are delusional if you're calling it equal.
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@RationalMadman
Imagine if Chic Fil A started serving pork and beef. The name would no longer make any sense, and would convey false information as to the offerings at the restaurant.
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YMCA stands for Young Men's Christian Association, it stands to reason that only young Christian men should be allowed there.
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@RationalMadman
I will admit that I don't fancy them fucking and being with other men in that way but I'm not gonna set a 'no male friends' nonsense barrier. Within reason they can even flirt with other guys if that's their nature, what I ask to you is why is this immoral?
This is the only moral problem. If you want to have an open relationship, it has to be open both ways. That means that they can fuck other men (or women if that's what they like). Saying "within reason" like you're being generous with their freedoms as if you own them, meanwhile you're freeing yourself to have sex with as many women as you want? Absolute hypocrite. If you have an open relationship but one or more of your partners feels perfectly happy to only have you, the more power to them, but it should be their choice.
I personally have some problems with the institute of marriage from a legal standpoint, especially because it makes breakups more costly, so I would recommend not getting married at all if you go the polyamorous route. The tax benefits, etc., are minimal compared to the potential downsides if a relationship ends, especially since polyamorous marriages are more likely to fail than monogamous ones.
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@TheUnderdog
The middle of the chair is where your asshole is, not the base of your spine. Back of the chair hole would be perfectly fine. Alternatively, sit in a soft enough chair that there is not too much pressure on your tail.
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@TheUnderdog
You are making shit up. I have done over an hour of looking and could not find a single instance of this being the case.
In this article, the company Sanofi owns the patent for the Lantus brand of insulin.[1]
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@PREZ-HILTON
Polywitch. Please begin a new thread with that as a topic instead of sidetracking this thread.
I seem to remember recently having a conversation about abortion with you in a thread about gender reassignment surgery.
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You can also use plastic garbage bag and put it in cardboard box so that it is even more protected from water. This increases it's durability.
Drainage is important for raised beds to prevent overwatering, so anyone doing this should poke some small holes in the bottom of the bag.
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@TheUnderdog
We have corporate welfare because the government paid for the production of the patents, but the corporations get the revenue form the patents.
The corporations get the revenue from the patents in the EU as well.
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@TheUnderdog
Lots of chairs already have holes in the back.
See director chairs, folding chairs, etc.
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@TheUnderdog
But the EU has the government own the parents whereas in America, we have corporate welfare.
I have found no evidence online that this is the case.
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@TheUnderdog
I'm not changing my chromosomes to be a hyena. Whether it's by brain uploading or CRISPR editing, I intend to become something beyond human limitations. i.e. transhuman.
The technology probably won't be developed with that intent, but I genuinely think we will get to a point in the next thirty years that anyone (with enough money and connections) who wants to grow a tail can do so.
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@TheUnderdog
"human" is simply the vernacular for homo sapiens. A trans woman (at least with current technology) is genetically male (XY). Similarly, I don't care if someone decides to identify as another species. I expect that if I live long enough to see the technology develop, I will become something that you would not define as human either.
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@TheUnderdog
??? Where do you think the government's money comes from?
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@TheUnderdog
That's not an argument, just a statement. Yes, this law is different than anything currently in place and would require big changes. That doesn't make it good or bad by default.
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@TheUnderdog
Are you suggesting EU based pharmaceutical companies don't make money?
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@TheUnderdog
I don't have a specific set of questions but this legal text from the Terra Ignota series might prove insightful on my general stance.
A Minor is defined as a sentient being, regardless of age [or species], who has not passed an examination demonstrating sufficient mental competency to make moral, legal, and life-or-death decisions, or who has passed such an examination but can be demonstrated to have lost said competency and can no longer pass a comparable examination. No person shall be prevented from taking such an examination for any reason including age [species or synthetic origin]. No limit shall be placed on the number of times a person may take such an examination. The Office of Minors of the Universal Free Alliance must make the opportunity to take such an examination available to any Minor within 24 hours of request. Such examinations may be offered by the Universal Free Alliance Adulthood Competency Exam Office, or by any other Authority whose examination process is approved by said office.
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@TheUnderdog
Instead of defining personhood by species or genetics, administer a personhood test. Anyone who passes the test qualifies as a legal person, whether they be alien, robot, dolphin, or a furry claiming to be a deer. If part of their identity means that they don't want that legal protection, then that is their choice.
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@YouFound_Lxam
So, a living human that is morally wrong to kill, is a human that has been birthed. So, let's say the baby is halfway through the vagina. Is it ok for me to stab the half of the baby that is in the mother still? There has to be an absolute point.
Wouldn't this require stabbing the mother to get to the unborn half?
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swanjolras:
gosh but like we spent hundreds of years looking up at the stars and wondering "is there anybody out there" and hoping and guessing and imagining
because we as a species were so lonely and we wanted friends so bad, we wanted to meet other species and we wanted to talk to them and we wanted to leam from them and to stop being the only people in the universe
and we started realizing that things were maybe not going so good for us- we got scared that we were going to blow each other up, we got scared that we were going to break our planet permanently, we got scared that in a hundred years we were all going to be dead and gone and even if there were other people out there, we'd never get to meet them
and then
we built robots?
and we gave them names and we gave them brains made out of silicon and we pretended they were people and we told them hey you wanna go exploring, and of course they did, because we had made them in our own image
and maybe in a hundred years we won't be around any more, maybe yeah the planet will be a mess and we'll all be dead, and if other people come from the stars we won't be around to meet them and say hi! how are you! we're people, too! you're not alone any more!, maybe we'll be gone
but we built robots, who have beat-up hulls and metal brains, and who have names; and if the other people come and say, who were these people? what were they like?
the robots can say, when they made us, they called us discovery; they called us curiosity, they called us explorer, they called us spirit. they must have thought that was important.
and they told us to tell you hello.
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@TheUnderdog
False dilemma fallacy. Just because the "humans and only humans are people" definition is bad, doesn't mean that the only alternative is "all animals are people"
As I've said before here and elsewhere, the intellectual complexity of dolphins, chimps, elephants, etc., are high enough that they should receive at least the same moral considerations of a human child.
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@RationalMadman
As far as herbivorous options go, grasshoppers are herbivorous and already being eaten in many places. As for butterflies, it makes much more sense to eat the caterpillar before it wastes a bunch of time and calories developing into a butterfly.
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@TheUnderdog
Or you could stop defining morality around whether someone is human and instead around whether they're a person.
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@RationalMadman
I can see the parallels, and there is definitely such a thing as going too far in indulging others' beliefs. But I think that the correct stance is closer to the current policy towards trans people than it is of trans people decades ago or furries today.
I think I was seeing it from the wrong way, to me, it feels natural to keep that part of myself to myself, but I was ignoring people who do feel a greater need to express their identities. Thanks for that insight.
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@RationalMadman
In their personal lives with close friends who they trust, or out where it affects prudes like UnderDog?
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@YouFound_Lxam
There's definitely less racism than there used to be, the last KKK lynching was in 1981 compared to approximately 76 a year on average between 1865 and 1950 (6500 total in that time period), but that doesn't mean it's gone or not a problem.
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@YouFound_Lxam
That's not what physiologically means.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I believe that it shouldn't be a free for all. I would support some restrictions
55% of Americans self report as being pro choice, only 20% support abortion in the third trimester (28% if you include people who said it depends on the circumstances)[1].
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@YouFound_Lxam
This isn't my area of expertise, so I don't have a lot of sources I can pull up at a moment's notice. I also live in a state that's less than 1% black which makes it difficult to give more personal examples. The general rule though is that psychologically people are more comfortable with people similar to them than not, which is why finding out someone likes the same sports team as you is a great way to start a friendly conversation. Groups tend to be more exclusive than not, so by default the state of white majority in businesses has perpetuated itself since the civil rights movement, which really wasn't all that long ago.
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@PREZ-HILTON
We could go so far as to term your position a pro-life moderate, where you are strongly opposed to some abortions on grounds of personhood, and myself as a pro-choice moderate on grounds of bodily autonomy. Our positions are very similar, but I consider myself pro choice because I would still prefer all abortions to be legal over no abortions to be legal.
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@YouFound_Lxam
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@Sidewalker
Well duh, astronauts have to take care of themselves, everybody knows that.
Change their own diapers and everything.
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@YouFound_Lxam
No, I think it depends on how the person presents themselves, and their academic level.
Far too many people are biased against blacks because of stereotypes, and never given them a chance to present themselves at all.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I am pro life I can tell you that is not the pro life position. I see no issue with the morning after pill and think abortions that there are good medical reasons for is fine. I think a doctor and a woman should be making a choice together and the choice should never be "I don't feel like taking responsibility for the situation I am in"Abortions withing the first 8-12 weeks I really wouldn't even consider abortion.
Major pro life platforms would disagree
Both support flat bans on abortion. "abortion abolition"
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@PREZ-HILTON
I have read the 48 laws of power and they all contradict each otherNever outshine the master but also become indispensable.
Robert Greene said that no one should follow all of his advice. "Anybody who did would be a horrible ugly person to be around." [1]
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