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@zedvictor4
Illogically considered in regard to the bizarre human concept of indecency, relative to our crazy ongoing body conscious hang ups.
I'll take a page out of the Quran and say that the more you cover people up, the more people have to judge each other based on how they act and think, rather than their physical attractiveness.
That isn't even to mention the pure distraction naked people would be to a civilization. For example, there are some guys who attend women's rallies (particularly the bra-burning or slutwalk ones) just so see women's breasts. Imagine how little they would get done if women were naked all the time.
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@zedvictor4
The richer man represents the Alpha-Male.
I don't think wealth is sufficient to attract a mate.
Besides, both men and women are primarily attracted to looks first.
As horrible as it sounds, I don't think there is sufficient wealth for a 5'0, balding, recessed chin manlet to ever be considered the alpha-male (if that is a valid term for humans).
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The how did you answer a question you thought didn't make sense?*thinking emoji*Juvenile.
Do you understand how massive a contradiction your arguments were?
Actually, you clearly don't.
The data point is part of the context. The extrapolation on the data point is insufficient to reach a deductive conclusion; nonetheless, the data raises the question. That's why the question is interesting: it's currently unanswered by the data I presented, but it's worth knowing the answer.And how am I supposed to answer it?
Based on other data you've found? Polling results?
I'm asking because I don't know myself.
I *can't* explain it with the data I have. That's why I'm asking the questions, you dingus.So it's a dumb thread.
Why have you turned into such an obnoxious brat?
If you can't be bothered to engage in deeper questions that don't have immediate answers, go back to your underachieving, f*ckboy degenerate lifetstyle and leave us people who want to learn and grow alone.
You're just guessing. Anyone can do that. Anyone can come up with anything doing that.Talk about uninteresting.What else were you possible expecting? Yes, talk about uninteresting.
I wasn't expecting anything better from you, to be honest.
Do better or get lost.
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@Greyparrot
You should watch it. It's a nonstop troll network.
Well, I've never thought much more of legacy media than an outlet for half-truths and lies, but if I changed my mind and decided to watch a news network, it sure as hell won't be the troll fiesta MSNBC sounds to be.
God damn.
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@zedvictor4
So the natural female role is conducive to the modern breadwinning role in relation to modern family values and breeding patterns.So perhaps under the guise of feminism and equality etc, we are actually just continuing to mirror base instinct.
The issue with women being the breadwinner, even if it lines-up with their workstyle better than men's (certainly an interesting thought of yours), is that the increased income/social status derived starts to make them self-destruct: they expect men to make more/higher social status Better-Educated Women Still Prefer Higher-Earning Husbands | Institute for Family Studies (ifstudies.org)
Why do women have this preference for richer men if women have a base instinct to be modern breadwinners?
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@Greyparrot
If you watch enough MSNBC, such thoughts come with little effort.
Is MSNBC just a troll channel?
There's no way anyone serious writes this, "What a moron. You probably feel the same way about gay people. You know what is actually a product of mental illness, white supremacy," without trolling.
Even Fox and CNN don't outright troll people.
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Actually it answers every single one of those questions. Money buys leisure time.(Question) "Are the women in these arrangements okay with this?" (Answer) "Money buys leisure time." --- that doesn't make sense.Actually the question doesn't make sense.
The how did you answer a question you thought didn't make sense?
*thinking emoji*
It's a data point with zero context. You expect me to answer if the women are okay with the arrangement knowing nothing of the particulars of the arrangement besides what you have presented?
The data point is part of the context. The extrapolation on the data point is insufficient to reach a deductive conclusion; nonetheless, the data raises the question. That's why the question is interesting: it's currently unanswered by the data I presented, but it's worth knowing the answer.
(Question) "Are men okay with working more than women in every other set-up?" (Answer) "Money buys leisure time." --- that doesn't make sense.No, I'm mortally offended by these charts you've presented. You've found an outlier and made a thread on it, but have done nothing to explain it. All I'm left with is to get offended at bar charts.
I *can't* explain it with the data I have. That's why I'm asking the questions, you dingus.
I expect it takes a higher threshold of earning for men to allow women to be sole breadwinner. That's more or less uninteresting.
You're just guessing. Anyone can do that. Anyone can come up with anything doing that.
Talk about uninteresting.
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This might be the case for some families, but there is nothing to suggest it is the case for all.And nothing to suggest it isn't.
The way burden of proof works is that a claim requires proof before it is believed. Otherwise, you believe things without proof.
Furthermore, you can enter the realm of the negative proof fallacy, in which the person hearing the claim is required to disprove the statement. That's dangerous territory to enter because it's far easier and quicker to make claims than it is to disprove them.
So, for the above reasons, I don't find your counter-argument convincing in the slightest.
This also doesn't address many of the questions I raised in the OP:- Why are stay-at-home dads working considerably less than breadwinner mothers, relative to all the other possible set-ups? To be clear, when I say "working", I don't just mean going to a job but also work involving the house (e.g. gardening, cleaning etc.)- Are the women in these arrangements okay with this?- Are men okay with working more than women in every other set-up?There are plenty of questions raised that have interesting nuance. If you want to consider that "really uninteresting", then you're entitled to your opinion.Actually it answers every single one of those questions. Money buys leisure time.
It doesn't. Let's look:
(Question) "Are the women in these arrangements okay with this?" (Answer) "Money buys leisure time." --- that doesn't make sense.
(Question) "Are men okay with working more than women in every other set-up?" (Answer) "Money buys leisure time." --- that doesn't make sense.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I care because it enables their delusion, of which is a product of mental illness.What a moron. You probably feel the same way about gay people. You know what is actually a product of mental illness, white supremacy.Yeah, it's scientifically backed. It's remarkable when the science agrees with your worldview.Oh really? You better check the American Psychiatry Association for an opinion on gender dysphoria then.Nobody believes that conservatives suddenly believe in science. You idiots are still denying the science of climate change and global warming.
This is 100% a troll.
No one can earnestly write this amount of antagonistic rubbish.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That's my opinion.A girl with an opinion is like a dog walking on its hind legs — it's not done well, and you're surprised to see it's done at all.
Does anyone actually laugh at your jokes? Like ever?
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@zedvictor4
Yep, derived from the Frenck/Italian pantaloon/pantalone..
I didn't know that lol.
Which were sort of both underpants and trousers.
Society has definitely moved past that lol.
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@Best.Korea
Anyone who says "both parents should be working" is an idiot.If both parents work, then who raises kids? Babysitter? Yeah, great thinking, really.Honestly, the stupidity of today's people is beyond belief. Thats why this society cant survive.
Yes, although there is another side to this.
It's true that if both parents are working, someone else will need to take care of the kids. School does part of that job, but not all of it.
I think both parents seem to need to work nowadays (in many Western countries) because all prices have an expectation built into them that *both* parents are working. There is roughly twice the amount of disposable income available, hence, for example, a house costs twice as much. No one is getting ahead by having the husband and wife working because *everyone* is working.
So, not only do we have the disadvantage of no one being home to take care of the children, but none of these families are getting ahead by working more.
The big benefits I can see from both parents working, at least macroeconomically, is that there are many people doing many more jobs, and also that women are now able to self-actualize via a job. Albeit, a lot of those jobs are not jobs that contribute in a real way to the economy (not every manager is needed), and women tend to gravitate to these jobs. Also, I'm not sure every woman wants to self-actualize through her job, and data from 2015 indicated mothers prefer to stay-at-home, if given the option Children a Key Factor in Women's Desire to Work Outside the Home (gallup.com)
The overall effect of all this is that childless women and fewer women get to self-actualize at work, and also we have some more useful workers in the economy, all at the expense of everyone having to work and children seeing their parents far less than they did 100+ years ago. I don't think that's a great deal.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It's honestly because stay at home moms are that way out of a sense of nobility and stay at home dads are in general lazy pieces of shit.It's certainly plausible that this is the case, but how do you know this?For one your data bares it out.
You could inductively make this conclusion, but not deductively.
For example, an alternative, inductive explanation is that men are far more efficient at being the stay-at-home supports to breadwinners.
We also know that your typical stay at home dad is a guy that thinks jobs are beneath him. "I have a PHD, I can't accept a factory job" so you have real long gaps of unemployment for people unwilling to just do whatever the fuck it takes to feed their children. I am a man, if I have to rob a bank to get my kid fed, it's going to happen.
I don't see how you know this either, at least from the data.
The other type is some lazy guy unwilling to work, less qualified than the above but same general reasoning.I will tell you there are exceptions though. The woman who is working 2 jobs to put her man through medical school. That's her supporting her man and it means she can retire in 8 years and live a nice lifestyle.
Sure, these set ups can happen.
I also personally had a situation where I quit a job on impulse and when[...]
So, you're getting your arguments from personal experience?
A woman asks her man to quit his job and take care of the kids so they can move to a new area and she can accept the new job offer for 6 figures. The man does this.What happens is she'll lose respect for him because he doesn't make as much as her (income of partner is a trait only women care about). She'll start treating him like shit and then she will cheat or leave him for another man. That stay at home dad did what was right for his family but was naive and now has likely permanently damaged his income potential.Either they aren't the bread winners because they are lazy bitches or they aren't the bread winners in the relationship because they are henpecked, and emasculated losers. It isn't their fault but they need to correct the situation.
Is it possible to have a trophy husband? You know, some pretty boy that doesn't do much but is gorgeous?
Also, I don't understand why a woman would be with a guy that they can henpeck into not working a job. It seems to be that you agree the usual case is women select for men with greater status/wealth than they have themselves. So, what would be the point in henpecking a guy into not working, when a part of his attraction is generated through his ability to work?
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I would presume that where men are stay-at-home dads, women are earning an inordinate amount of money. Really uninteresting question.
This might be the case for some families, but there is nothing to suggest it is the case for all. It's entirely possible that the family is just scraping by, yet the husband refuses to do much work to help out. Dead-beat dads/husbands are certainly real.
This also doesn't address many of the questions I raised in the OP:
- Why are stay-at-home dads working considerably less than breadwinner mothers, relative to all the other possible set-ups? To be clear, when I say "working", I don't just mean going to a job but also work involving the house (e.g. gardening, cleaning etc.)
- Are the women in these arrangements okay with this?
- Are men okay with working more than women in every other set-up?
There are plenty of questions raised that have interesting nuance. If you want to consider that "really uninteresting", then you're entitled to your opinion.
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@Reece101
Unions also make people work less too.
Would you like to provide any evidence/data to show this?
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@Greyparrot
How do you know he drinks a lot?
He will often come on the forum and simply state that he is currently drunk.
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@Double_R
We know that transgender people have an increased suicide risk for some reason. We know that this reason is not caused by bullyingSerious question; are you reading the studies you are citing? Here is what your own study said about that:ResultsVictimisation and mental health were key risk factors across the dimension self-harm and suicide identified through all analyses.
Which study?
we shouldn't tell transgender people that they are the opposite of the biological sex they were born. Enabling people's delusions harms them, ESPECIALLY when it's a mental illness producing those delusions.It’s not us telling transgender people that they are the opposite of the biological sex they were born into, it’s them telling us.Yes, it's them telling us first, and then people like you being complicit/indifferent to it.[No response]
I'll just assume you agree with this.
You also reposted a study you claim shows that transpeople are disproportionately purveyors of bullying despite that I showed you a study from the same source saying that they were both bullying and being bullied. You never addressed that yet here you are repeating the same claim with no adjustment.
Incorrect.
You were the one who failed to respond to my defense of the source The transgenderism debate (debateart.com) (people can see that you never responded after that).
Also, I never claimed that transgender people were not bullied at increased rates, so this does not contradict any of my arguments.
Spamming a bunch of studies to make yourself appear well informed is nice little tactic but if you don't understand what you're posting it just makes you look dishonest.
Dude, if you can't address the arguments I'm making, instead of saying 'too many source', just concede so we can be done with this.
I think transgenderism is a mental illness which causes trans people to feel certain ways. They think those feelings means they are a different gender/biological sex. I don't think we should enable mental illness.Even if I granted you that transgenderism is a mental illness, you have made no attempt to argue what we should do about it. All you've provided is that we shouldn't treat these people with the dignity and respect they are asking for, which is a head scratching response to acknowledging someone as mentally ill.So what is your solution? What have all of your dozens of studies concluded on that?
No, you silly goose. The studies don't explicitly say what should be done. They are there to construct the necessary premises and arguments needed to reach my conclusion. None of them by themselves reach the conclusion that transgenderism is a mental illness.
And again, I've explicitly said we should treat them with dignity and respect. Stop begging the question by making the assumption that treating with 'dignity and respect' can only mean accepting their gender identity. Much as we treat schizophrenics with dignity and respect, we should treat transgender people the same way, despite both of them having mental illnesses. That's not hard to understand and you've had several attempts at it now.
I don't specifically know off the top of my head how to treat gender dysphoria, but that's going beyond the scope of this discussion. I will look into it.
You have provided precisely ZERO data to support your idea that we should let transgender people do whatever they wantBecause that's a ridiculous interpretation of my position. The only thing I've argued is that we should treat these people with respect and that your claims regarding what they believe are wrong. These are very basic ideas, if you need data to explain empathy and understanding I feel really sorry for you.
No, no. You've certainly argued much more than that.
For example, you've claimed that they're the most socially ostracized group. That was unsupported by any data. You aren't making a whole lot of claims that require data, but you're certainly making some.
Finally, I'll just assume you agree with everything else in my post that you didn't respond to.
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Not sure why I gave you above average intelligence in that other thread.
I don't need you to verify it. My intelligence exists independent of your assessment.
Your subject matter is barely interesting and your insights are non-existent.
Nice opinion.
I think your drunken rambles are irritating and a complete waste of whatever intelligence you might have.
That's my opinion.
Either you used to be smarter or I used to be dumber. We can hope for the latter for both our sakes, I guess.
All that alcohol was eventually going to catch up with you.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It's honestly because stay at home moms are that way out of a sense of nobility and stay at home dads are in general lazy pieces of shit.
It's certainly plausible that this is the case, but how do you know this?
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This thread is a Dart school shooting. Roose brought a machine gun.
What an utterly delusional take.
Roose's insults were pretty generic, he just made stuff up about people, and he came out looking like a stalker -- that's just a cursory inspection.
Roose keeps dropping points he can't respond to, and it's clear that some of these dropped points are blows that land on him, hence this is another bad look for him.
This was an L for Roose.
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@zedvictor4
In the U.K.Pants is pantsAnd trousers is trousers.
Yes, but most people on this website are American.
I'm pretty sure the U.K. is the only place in the world to have a different meaning for the word "pants".
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For various reasons, at least in the United States, men work more than women. This is true for various household set-ups. FtpheDCaYAAbi4m (640×480) (twimg.com) (taken from: The Myth of the ‘Lazy’ Father | Institute for Family Studies (ifstudies.org) ). You could argue that's unfair for men, you could argue that men are choosing to enter this arrangement voluntarily, but in any case it's what is happening.
However, the last bar caught my eye -- it was the worst gap in terms of sex inequality between men and women. When women were the sole income earners, men were working far less than anyone else in any other set-up FtnnW0lX0CYpD2Z (984×965) (twimg.com) . I'm by no means a Feminist, but this certainly appears to be an instance of genuine equality that women face. Not only are these breadwinner women working at a job infinitely more than men, but they're getting about half the leisure time these men do, too. Albeit, caregiving and housework were roughly equal, which is strange because stay-at-home mothers found ways to do far more "work" in general (see first graph), hence the smaller gap between breadwinner men and stay-at-home mothers.
So, the point of this thread is to ask this: why is this happening? Why are stay-at-home dads working considerably less than breadwinner mothers, relative to all the other possible set-ups?
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@PREZ-HILTON
Don't respond to his trolling. Wait until he makes a more substantial argument, then crush itI will do whatever you tell me Goddess.
I don't mind being called a Goddess :)
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@PREZ-HILTON
The Jews will replace you.You won't like what they replacing law abiding, middle class whites with. Besides if you want to live in a third world shitholes,. You don't have to live in thee United States, you can go live in Haiti and see if you like living in future America.
Don't respond to his trolling. Wait until he makes a more substantial argument, then crush it. The reason he trolls is because his real arguments are weak, and trolling gives him strength despite his weakness.
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@TWS1405_2
Their inability to respond with anything but Ad Hominem or irrelevancies indicates how good my arguments are. Watching people fail to address my arguments properly is quite satisfying.This goes for Double_R too. I’ve experienced the same.
I'm not sure I agree with this.
I've personally found that Double_R is way more engaged with me on topics whilst generally avoiding Ad Hominem and irrelevancies. I don't necessarily agree with Double_R on much and some of his arguments are clearly bad, but at least he's providing arguments which aren't riddled with obvious fallacies and do make me think (we've had dozens of back-and-forths here: The transgenderism debate (debateart.com) )
Sidewalker, on the other hand, is the most worthless member on this website. Most of his posts are antagonistic trolls or sarcasm because he gets thumped the moment he attempts to write what he really thinks. The only reason I continue to engage him is because somewhere in the back of his mind he knows I've got him bested, and watching libtards have their dearly held arguments nuked in front of them makes me smile: Is it okay to be White? A lot of Black Americans don't think so (debateart.com)
IWantRooseveltAgain isn't much better, but he's slimier about it. He'll ignore what he can't turn into a personal attack, and he'll deflect/pivot from the topic just to attack people. He's equally antagonistic but will occasionally try to make some sense, so I think he's marginally better than Sidewalker.
Having said all this, I haven't engaged with Double_R that much, so maybe time will change my opinion of him...
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@Double_R
we shouldn't tell transgender people that they are the opposite of the biological sex they were born. Enabling people's delusions harms them, ESPECIALLY when it's a mental illness producing those delusions.It’s not us telling transgender people that they are the opposite of the biological sex they were born into, it’s them telling us.
Yes, it's them telling us first, and then people like you being complicit/indifferent to it.
The level of perceived superiority over these people expressed by your statement is remarkable.
Yeah, it's scientifically backed. It's remarkable when the science agrees with your worldview.
I'll reiterate my argument by greatly expanding upon the studies I've provided:
Hostile society/individuals do not cause transgender people to kill themselves en masse
(1) I think we can already agree that transgender suicide is higher than the general population. You claim it's due to a hostile society/Individuals.
(2) Transgender people who self-report not experiencing discrimination still have these elevated risks of suicide Suicidality-Transgender-Sep-2019.pdf (ucla.edu)
(3) Suicidal transgender people also typically don't cite bullying as a reason for their attempts at suicide A systematic review and meta-analysis of victimisation and mental health prevalence among LGBTQ+ young people with experiences of self-harm and suicide | PLOS ONE
(C) I can cite more data but this should be sufficient to make the conclusion that discrimination doesn't cause transgender people to kill themselves, therefore needing another explanation
Transgender surgeries do not remove the increased suicide chance
(1) You've claimed that we should support the gender expression of transgender people. Let's see what happens when we appease transgender people's wish to undergo genitalia altering surgeries.
(2) Transitioners in San Francisco (a super-pro trans area) still had the elevated chance of suicide relative to the general population, despite the various surgeries 11524_2014_Article_9921.pdf (nih.gov)
(3) Other studies from other areas have the same conclusion Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada (biomedcentral.com) LGBT-2017-0011-ver9-Zeluf_3P 180..190 (nih.gov) Factors Associated with Suicidality Among a National Sample of Transgender Veterans - PubMed (nih.gov) The Effects of Hormonal Gender Affirmation Treatment on Mental Health in Female-to-Male Transsexuals: Journal of Gay & Lesbian Mental Health: Vol 15, No 3 (tandfonline.com)
(3) There is even a high quality study that found transitioning increased the risk of suicide Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf (ucla.edu) . Similar studies found the increase in suicide as well Suicidal ideation and attempted suicide amongst Chinese transgender persons: National population study - PubMed (nih.gov) LGBT-2013-0048-ver9-Rood_3P 270..275 (nih.gov)
(C) Therefore, the evidence suggests we should not support transgender people in getting surgeries related to their gender dysphoria
Transgender people do not have brains of the opposite sex (i.e. transgender born a male = mostly male brain)
(1) Some pro-trans people will claim that transgender brains resemble the opposite biological sex (I don't think you made this claim, but it will make my case)
(2) A study found that while some regions of a transgender brain may resemble the opposite biological sex they were born into, the brain is mostly the same biological sex's A Review of the Status of Brain Structure Research in Transsexualism (nih.gov) Same result was found when brain imaging was used Structural, Functional, and Metabolic Brain Differences as a Function of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation: A Systematic Review of the Human Neuroimaging Literature (springer.com)
(3) Both studies noted that transgender people's brains were basically always homosexual, hence the pockets of the brain that were the opposite biological sex
(C) Therefore, transgenderism is caused by things unrelated to the opposite gender nature of the brain
Transgender behavior is erratic and unnecessarily violent
(1) Unexplained, erratic or unnecessarily violent behavior is often indicative of a cognitive issue
(2) Transgenderpeople are more likely to bully others than to be bullied Frontiers| Transgender Identity Is Associated With Bullying Involvement AmongFinnish Adolescents (frontiersin.org)
(3) Meta-analysis finding that 40%of trans people have been incarcerated ajph201823846_becasen1..8 (nih.gov)
(4) Transgender people mostlikely to be intolerant of speech ongender identity oncampus to the point of thinking violence is acceptable TheMissing Data Depot on Twitter: "2022 survey of >40,000college students finds large differences in abstract support for“using violence to stop a campus speech” based on genderidentity. For example, 37% of agender students said it's “always”or “sometimes” acceptable to use violence while only 4% of womendid. https://t.co/Z6UG31JGs5" / Twitter
(C) Transgender people are erratic and unnecessarily violent
Transgender people have many, many indications of mental illness
(1) Transgender people havegreatly elevated rates of anti-social personality Sci-Hub| Correlates of Gender Dysphoria in Taiwanese University Students |10.1007/s10508-009-9570-y Anti-social personality disorder is a mental illness
(2) Transgender people are 4 times more likely to have a mental illness than the general population Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study (liebertpub.com)
(3) Mental illnesses correlate with each other
(C) Gender dysphoria is probably a mental illness, based on correlates alone
Conclusion
We know that transgender people have an increased suicide risk for some reason. We know that this reason is not caused by bullying, having the wrong genitalia, or having a body-brain mismatch (they're just gay). We know that transgender people are erratic and unnecessarily violent. We know that transgender people have far more mental illnesses than the general population.
Therefore, we should consider the gender dysphoria transgender people experience as a mental illness because none of the standard narratives explain it, doing so gives us consistent predictive validity, and transgender people exhibit unexplained behavior which fits that of a mentally ill person.
You claim they are delusional yet you have made no attempt to show how. It is a tired strawman attack by the political right to pretend that transpeople are making biological claims with regards to their gender but the LGBTQ community’s definitions on gender have almost nothing to do with biology.
You're bringing the conversation back to square 1 and we've already been there and done that.
I've claimed that gender extends from biology, and extending gender from mental illness is not a good idea. You, now saying that I've made no attempt to show how, is incredibly wrong and frankly I think you're just lying, giving that we've been back-and-forth for over 12 posts now.
To be delusional is to convince oneself of that which is untrue. Explain specifically what it is that transpeople believe that is not true. Be absolutely clear in your definitions.
We've done this already as well.
I think transgenderism is a mental illness which causes trans people to feel certain ways. They think those feelings means they are a different gender/biological sex. I don't think we should enable mental illness.
You have provided precisely ZERO data to support your idea that we should let transgender people do whatever they want, so let's keep that in mind.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
How would you notice I wasn't around much when you weren't here?Um, Because your posts would still be there if you had made any.
Oh, so you admit you go looking through my posts.
I'm pretty sure there is a word for that...
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You're so keenKeen? What are you 15?
I'm sure you love to imagine I am.
I'm 142 lbs, 5'10".142? Yikes? A lot of junk in the trunk no doubt.Would you pass the forearm test?
Oh that's apparently excessively fat.
Please tell me what weight I should be. You seem like an expert on women, given that you know nothing about them.
<3Is this supposed to represent your boobs?
It's a loveheart, Roosevelt fangirl.
I now genuinely think you don't interact with women much lol.
Exactly. You love my attention.I noticed you weren’t around here much when I was out flying.
How would you notice I wasn't around much when you weren't here?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
My body and face are very decentBy what standards? You’re not American so that’s strike one. How much do you weigh?
I know you like collecting information about people so you can use it against them, but I'm secure enough in myself so I don't care about this.
I'm 142 lbs, 5'10".
Ok then. What country are you in? I’ll be there tonight.
Awww. You're so keen to have your pink and white love-hearted underwear pulled over your head.
I love it <3
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@n8nrgim
*unzips pants*
Happy?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
you want to impress women enough to keep them around.Keep them around? On this chat room?
Exactly. You love my attention.
That wedgie offer is still available.Really? but then I’ll know where you live. And you’ll become a victim again.
It'll be worth it. I'd laugh so hard seeing a dumb old oaf with his underwear wrapped over his head. The only thing left to do is guess what color they are.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That got a bad rap on being submissiveAh, I see now.You like to be dominated by women, hence why you keep @ing me.Do you want me to give you a wedgie? Is that why you want to know where I live so badly?[no response]
You didn't respond to this.
I reckon you like being dominated by women, but you're just too embarrassed to admit it. That's partially why you keep lying about your job title and credentials -- you want to impress women enough to keep them around.
That wedgie offer is still available.
I still think you should consider this new profession. It’s really your best chance at making a decent living. And I’ll be your pimp for 50% of the take.Do you have a decent body and face though cause you kinda sound like a pig.
My body and face are very decent, yes. Does that help you masturbate to the thought of me dominating you? I promise I'm not Asian, either, because they're too submissive for you.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That got a bad rap on being submissive
Ah, I see now.
You like to be dominated by women, hence why you keep @ing me.
Do you want me to give you a wedgie? Is that why you want to know where I live so badly?
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@Sir.Lancelot
Do you feel threatened by an intelligent woman? Is that it?Roosevelt is threatened by asians, women, and anyone with an average IQ.It’s why he feels the need to fake a Harvard degree and military service to cope with the stress of losing forum arguments.
You're the 4th person to independently come and tell me this.
I'm finding it hard not to believe this is all true.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Stop deflecting.
Why do you want to know where I live so badly? Are you a peeping tom? Are you a stalker?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Do females get to vote in your country?
You really want to know where I live, don't you? That's about the fifth time you've tried to get that information.
You seem like the kind of guy to follow a woman home from work just to know where she lives, just to watch her get changed through the window.
No offence.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You keep trying to make me out to be a ditzy airhead (I'll leave other people to judge whether I am or not).
Do you feel threatened by an intelligent woman? Is that it?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yes. Keeping Blacks and Whites (and really any other race) together causes unnecessarily violence. It's painfully clear that races don't get along. You might find an individual or even a small community that's okay with differing races, but put 10,000s, 100,000s or 1,000,000s of people from different races together, and there will be violence because of the differing races.Did you get this from your parents or your white supremacy meetings?
No, I get this from studying data and reading scientific studies.
I've never been to a white supremacy meeting.
Yes, you are my ashamed. I own you.I’m you’re ashamed? Oh that’s nice.
I'm sure it's nice for you. Probably the only female contact you've had in a decade.
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@Greyparrot
Or look at Japan. Very few tribal conflicts there for some weird unfathomable reason...
It couldn't be because Japan is racially and culturally homogenous, right?
That can't be the reason because MSNBC and Wikipedia didn't say it was.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
No. Because I don't want an old, feminine man like you knowing where I live.Right, because if I knew that I could come find you. No, your ashamed
Yes, you are my ashamed. I own you.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Nice try, but you're not going to get my country that easily.Because you’re ashamed? You know your country is inferior to America? So you are ashamed of your country but not ashamed to declare you are a white supremacist.But you can look at any site. It won’t giveaway yourself. Or do you really not look at any “independent outlets” and stick to gossip magazines
No. Because I don't want an old, feminine man like you knowing where I live.
Yes, because I make it clear that all races should have their own spaces/countries, not just Whites.Ha, and there own schools and drinking fountains too?
Yes. Keeping Blacks and Whites (and really any other race) together causes unnecessarily violence. It's painfully clear that races don't get along. You might find an individual or even a small community that's okay with differing races, but put 10,000s, 100,000s or 1,000,000s of people from different races together, and there will be violence because of the differing races.
This isn't even to get into the double standard of having White groups in America, wherein any White group is made out to be 'white supremacist', and groups of other races aren't attacked in the same way.
America isn't even the worst of it. Look at places like Brazil wherein there isn't a clear racial majority, thus the races all fight for power.
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@Sidewalker
Keep trying, I made her and TWS both climax with one post and I wasn't even trying, try different approaches till you find what works. Maybe tell her you think she's smart, she is so needy about that, that will probably work.You're getting Kaitlyn wet.
Why are you obsessed about the state of my vagina/underwear?
Do you realize how it makes you look like a massive creep?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So all your black friends accept your white nationalism ideas such as
Yes, because I make it clear that all races should have their own spaces/countries, not just Whites.
Not every Black person accepts that, so I'm not friends with them.
Maybe if you had friends, you'd understand better.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Some of them are, yes. I also have friends of different races. Freedom of association is great.So do you keep your white nationalism a secret to all your many black and brown friends?
Absolutely not. Why would I want to keep friends who force me to lie about who I am? Why would I lie to people like that? That defeats the whole point of friendship.
I literally told you in the previous post that I stay informed through independent outletsUn huh, and when I asked what independent outlets you replied independent polls. Lol
An independent poll is a singular example of an independent outlet. Not hard to understand, champ.
You can easily check independent financial websites for that.And how often to you to that? Name an “independent financial website” that you use.
Nice try, but you're not going to get my country that easily.
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@TWS1405_2
-->@IwantRooseveltagainInformed about what exactly?Politics. Current events. World events. The economy. Basically what’s going on in your country and the world.All of those can be more accurately derived from independent sources, plus my friends often tell me of anything if the news is big enough.Ditto!I have a “brother from another mother” that works with units attached to FEMA. I get my inside news from him.
Nice, nice.
That's a much better way to get news. I'm glad you have that resource :)
But relying on friends to keep you informed doesn’t exactly make you a responsible adult.I literally told you in the previous post that I stay informed through independent outlets as well. I'm not sure why you totally ignored that.IWRA purposely ignores a lot when he knows he cannot refute it.He cherry-picks everything and more often than not creates a strawman laced with ad hominems. It is his M.O.
That's what I've seen, too. What a mess this MSNBC fanchick is.
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@Greyparrot
Yep. MSNBC fanchick.MSNBC is truth and truth is MSNBC.It's all he knows and all he needs to know, as in an ode to a Grecian urn.
That's pretty sad. I'd be ashamed of my dad if he was that much of a delusional boomer.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Such as independent polls that capture the real sentiment of the public.Lol. I see. In order to learn about the situation in Ukraine, you look for an independent poll.
I gave polls as an example of how I stay informed, not the only way.
The Ukraine-Russia war is highly politicized with many parties involved having an incentive to distort the truth.
I would look for public opinions of this event through a poll, but I think it's awfully hard and probably not worth attempting to get the immediate truth about what is happening there atm. This seems to me like an event that we need to wait for the truth to emerge, due to all the Russian, Nato and legacy media propaganda.
If you want to know what the GDP growth is in your country, you check the polls. That’s beautiful
You can easily check independent financial websites for that. There's no need to turn on a t.v. or read a news article.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yes, it's amazing having friends. You should try it sometime.Are they also White Nationalists? They are such a fun group to be around.
Some of them are, yes. I also have friends of different races. Freedom of association is great.
But relying on friends to keep you informed doesn’t exactly make you a responsible adult.
I literally told you in the previous post that I stay informed through independent outlets as well. I'm not sure why you totally ignored that.
You are more a dingy broad who spends her time reading gossip magazines.
I'm actually more of a nerd who would school you in a debate.
Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race.
To varying degrees, all of those things are threatening the White race.
Did you have a point, fanchick?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
plus my friends often tell me of anything if the news is big enough.Wow
Yes, it's amazing having friends. You should try it sometime.
All of those can be more accurately derived from independent sourcesSuch as…
Such as independent polls that capture the real sentiment of the public.
I'm sweet and nice to people who deserve it.All alone. No husband. No children. Fast approaching your expiration date. Lol
You really have no idea how old I am lol.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Informed about what exactly?Politics. Current events. World events. The economy. Basically what’s going on in your country and the world.
All of those can be more accurately derived from independent sources, plus my friends often tell me of anything if the news is big enough.
Legacy media doesn't inform you about those things, either. At best, they give you a distorted view tainted by the narrative they want to push.
Thank you for calling him a fanchick, too. The feminine vibes I get from Roosevelt's posts deserved to be recognized.Ooop, back to your hostility. Why can’t you be sweet and nice like most girls. No wonder you aren’t married.
I'm sweet and nice to people who deserve it.
Did you put your dog collar on, fanchick? Or you still wearing your mother's clothes?
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