Kaitlyn

I don't believe in races. 

For example, if 40,000 of those votes came from Hawaii, it might not have been close at all. Hawaii has about 1.6 million people. If about 1/4 of them vote (since voting isn't compulsory in America), that means about 400,000 voted. 40,000 difference with only 400,000 voters is a *massive* percentage difference.

Even if it was our 3 least populous states, 80,000 votes over three states was a very small number. 

Either STFU or engage her like an adult. 

As I’ve told you many times LCpl, nonsense deserves nothing but derision. Stop saying stupid things and I’ll respond in kind. 

I informed her that Trump won 3 swing states by 80,000 votes to win in 2016. A very small margin for 3 whole state elections 

The United States presidential election is determined by electoral votes, not close states or popular vote.

Donald Trump won 304 electoral votes compared to Hillary Clinton's 227 -- a comfortable victory.

She also kept insisting that it’s the electoral votes that matter as if she didn’t understand that state electoral votes are awarded by winning the popular vote in each state.

If you can’t take the heat, go back to the kitchen. Lol

We can clearly see that you're trying quite hard to provoke me with lies and half-truths. I mean, you're doing this to the point of other people noticing your sexism "teen shot after accidentally" the next liberal psy-op (debateart.com) (which is surprising coming from a Roosevelt supporter -- Roosevelt was a big advocate of women's right).

A more interesting question is why are you doing this? Does your wife ignore you at home? Do you like picking on girls? Or are you still stung from me having to hand-hold you through your argument, posting repeatedly as to why your figures didn't match the argument you were trying to make, in order to make it correctly?

So even you consider yourself a girl instead of a woman

Yeah, I know woke community is trying to fix it the wrong way, but you can't deny the racism against blacks.

Well, the penis size is the best indicator for sexual superiority.

If you see all the statistcs about that shown in a map, you'll see that the color representing the biggest size are painted in most part of Africa, and also in Central and South America where blacks migrated as slaves.

Also, blacks have more sexual stamina. I mean if blacks are the best in sports, why not consider them the best in the bed.

but we have to understand that the superiority is not based on the average but on the maximums, and this is where blacks stand out.

I didn’t even know the ideology categorization was under any dispute until this thread, which then led me to this article:

“THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TRANSGENDER IDEOLOGY” (sorry for the yelling)

https://www.media-diversity.org/there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender-ideology/

Frankly, I’m not sure why being an ideology (such as democracy— the horror!) is considered so repellent. Too close to being a religion maybe? 

Human beings developed different capabilities because they adapted to different environments and contexts.

So, you can find creative people in all races, but asians would outperform the other races on this matter, I don't know why. There are other situations in which asians would be outperformed, though, like in sports.

Black people, for example, are physically outstanding. No wonder they thrive in almost all the sports, like athletics, martial arts, boxing, basketball, soccer, etc.

They are also sexually superior which allow them to be ubiquitious in the porn industry.

Stereotypical feedback. Asians and white people seem smarter because they "were", they get hired in a larger extent, improving their average compared to hispanics and black people.

Asian men are not particularly desirable on the global market (geeky stereotype, smaller penises, smaller average height etc.)

I guess they should introduce forced marriages, because 2 incher is not exactly a winner in free competition.

“Transgenderism" isn't one person's idea, it's a collection of ideas advanced by a significant portion of our society

*scratching my head* Yet ya’ll claim it is decidedly not this:

i·de·ol·o·gy

noun

1. 
   

   a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
   

   "the ideology of democracy"
   

… and claim that this “not an ideology!” is coherent…

I can't agree with the latter part.

The ability to give birth is surrounded by many behavioral instincts that are a result of biological ones

None of this is relevant. We are discussing the characteristics associated with our conception of gender. You're going into what causes the behavior for most. The cause is irrelevant to the behavior itself. If one is nurturing, that is considered by most to be a feminine trait. It doesn't become masculine because the individual it turns out is unable to give birth.

Yes, my argument is that gender "must be" based on biology in order to be coherent.

Otherwise, you end up being to make up whatever you want about gender, and thus gender becomes fiction.

If gender is based off of all the traits and characteristics we've been discussing, there is nothing incoherent about it. But in order to make it incoherent you invent caricature to attack instead.

The LGBTQIA conception of gender is about how one lives their lives, not about what one feels from one moment to the next.

This isn't complicated, unless you want it to be.

As for only having simple observation in the past, that's true. People based their political opinions of transgenderism off their feelings/implicit knowledge, and I think it's fine to criticize that. Even today, a lot of opposition to transgender people is 'it makes me feel uncomfortable'. But some of us have moved past that onto rigorous studies that show transgenderism is a mental disorder.

The question of whether transgenderism is a mental disorder has nothing to do with the fact that we as humans do, always have, and always will rely simply on our observations to make a determination regarding ones gender and/or biological sex.

I don't need to stick my hand into a fire to know that I will be burnt. Lived experience isn't grounds for argument or dismissal. Otherwise, all the 100,000s of alien sightings are real and you can't say otherwise since you weren't there.

Whether aliens have visited earth is a question about objective reality to which there is an objective answer. Your statement was regarding what trans people should do. They are not analogous.

Those facts don't paint a picture of a stable mind.

Classic correlation/causation fallacy. Trans people are the most ridiculed and least welcomed people in our society. How stable do you think you'd be living in a society where such a large swath of it look at where you draw your most basic sense of self identity and consider you mentally ill because of it?

People like you are the leading cause of the thing you pretend to be so against.

There's an underlying reality to gender that we can socially construct labels for.

Yes, and the reality is that the traits and characteristics we have always used to determine what gender one is has never before came from a biology text book.

Gender is only useful to us in a social sense, so this insistence that it must be based on science/biology is complete nonsense.

Its not like I chose to be born white, and its not like I can change it.

So if its not okay, what can I do to be less white?

No more than one would expect.

Everyone discriminates in response to perceived differences.

It's a basic survival strategy.

Do "Black" people think that Chinese are Chinese coloured. Did anyone ask them how they discriminate in this instance.

Not that anyone is either black or white.

Just visibly distinguishable. 

At what point does very swarthy become black.

Probably never, because skin tone would have nothing to do with the discrimination criteria in this instance.

Interestingly, a lot of very swarthy people are in fact much darker than a lot of very light black people.

Also chill out, because debating online against a 16-year-old, about transgender ideology. It's not that deep.

• Just because you aren't old or bright enough to understand  the destruction such rhetoric inflicts on civil societies, does not mean you get to tell me to chill out regarding the threat you pose.
  

No, this is what reasoned thought and science does. You said you want to make the argument on the basis of science but those two sources don't have any scientific credibility whatsoever.  Southern Baptists and Heritage foundation are hyper-subjective opinion, they literally make their money by agitating the fears of the gullible regarding all non-white Christian males. 

• Greene, Puberty Blockers, Cross-Sex Hormones, and Youth Suicide
  
• Extremely  well distributed across the Right Wing on Twitter, Facebook, reported by FOX News, WSJ, all major right-wing media.
  

• Notice that although Greene represent his report as a scientific study, his study was never published or even submitted to any scientific journal, no peer review was ever sought and a freshman in sociology could explain why Greene's report could never pass any peer review.
  

• Greene himself has his doctorate in Political Science.  No scientists, particularly medical professionals or biologists were involved in writing this report.  No transgendered people participated in Greene's analysis of transgendered behavior.
  

• Greene's thesis goes like this, "there are 33 states where doctors are not compelled to seek parental permission before treating a minor, with an incedible amount of variety within those 33 states regarding circumstances.  Those 33 states have seen a 1.6 per 100,000 increase in suicide among ages 12-23 since 2010 and 2010 is when hormone therapies started become widely available, therefore the lack of compulsory parental permission is causing more teen suicide.
  

BLACK AMERICANS ONLY:

"It's okay to be white."53% agree, 26% disagree, 21% not sure

"Black people can be racist, too"76% of agree, 27% disagree, 8% not sure.

That 26% pretty much represents the 20% of blacks on welfare, and the 6% of elitist blacks like Jadda Pinkett Smith, Lizzo, Whoopi Goldberg (Jewish Surname, no less), Al Sharpton, Jesse "Shakedown" Jackson, et al. Same goes for the 27%; they're the same peoples.

The double standard and clear racist divisiveness by the media and the left is quite clear. As Ben Shapiro points out here regarding the recent criminality and violence in Chicago, and how the media never reports on the race of the offender when they are BLACK, but always when they are WHITE on a black victim. 

Largely because "It's ok to be white" is a political slogan used by people on the right

we're so polarized right now that anything associated with the other side is immediately condemned.

I wouldn't be surprised if a survey with statements like "Black lives matter" or "We should make America great" yielded a similar result. People will immediately associate the slogan with the movement.

Ask "Are all white people bad?" or "Are all black people bad?" and you'll get a very different outcome. People are stubborn and polarized, but most of them aren't racist in the way that you're thinking. And I know that's an unpopular thing to say.

That's shocking 26% agree .

I wouldn't even call blacks the most racist segment of the population even with that ridiculously high amount of blatant racism. 

White liberals are about 75% racist

sexist? Well that didn’t take long for you to cry sexism. Poor, poor victim. 

knickers? You must be a Brit, otherwise you must be over 50. But as a self declared White Nationalist I would guess you are South African.

Your original argument was that the U.S. election was close because there was a difference of 80,000 votes in the end. I told you that U.S. election isn't contested based on popular vote,

But only an imbecile wouldn’t know that the electoral votes are the result of state by state popular votes. I didn’t know you were an imbecile until later.

I had to correct you many times?

You corrected me by telling me you made false assumptions in your uninformed opinion and needed me to educate you? 

You're the only who was instructed like a little child,

I’m the only who? A child? It seems you don’t know anything about children because god didn’t want you to be a Mom.

It's fine. I've got plenty of time.

You’re not as young as you think. A woman’s expiration date comes up pretty fast. Take this friendly advice though - always remember, A moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.

Lastly, this line of 'white savior' reasoning has been disastrous for White countries. 

And yet even some blacks realize just how whites saved those who were brought to America (less than 336k), who do far better than those taken to the Carribean and South America (over 10.7 million) during the Atlantic Slave Trade.

jesse peterson youtube whites saviros at DuckDuckGo

brandon tatum white people saved us at DuckDuckGo

These are but two examples, I can give plenty more.

Um, you’re not even American toots

so you can’t make anyone feel inadequate 

your wee woman brain, (do they let women go to school in your country?)

was really on display when you made your false assumptions about the 2016 election and needed me (or some other guy) to explain it too you.

So, no kids though? That would be hard to deal with if true no doubt. Some people say, including a lot of women, that a woman without children is a curse.

Are you barren? That’s sad.

Do you have any proof that you are in fact a woman?

Are you familiar with how the American military fills its’ officer ranks?

Are you familiar with how your country fills its’ officer and enlisted ranks or are you ignorant on the subject?

Do you understand what the word “equates” means?

If you are a conservative, in any country, that equates to being a Republican in the US.

Just like a liberal in your country would equate to being a Democrat in the U.S.

Do you have dictionaries in your country? 

Are you seeking moral support from the disabled guy? That’s a big female thing, right?

If you are a conservative, in any country, that equates to being a Republican in the US.

Clearly you are ignorant of the constitutionalists and independents. 

Not just observable, physical characteristics, but also behavioral ones. That's why we have gendered concepts such as 'mother nature', as nature gives birth and that's one of the essential functions of a mother (i.e. female). That's why nurturing is typically associated with females. There are plenty examples of typical female behavior extending into gendered notions.

Yes, you are correct - behavioral characteristics are part of it as well. However the ability to give birth is irrelevant to ones behavior.

My point of contention isn't that transgender people could never 'pass', despite the biological reality misaligning with their outward physical transformation.

No, but your arguments align with the notion that gender 'must be' based on biology in order to be coherent. I'm pointing out that they have never been. We may have always understood it to be what makes the difference, but in our everyday lives the only tool we have ever had to tell the difference is simple observation.

My point is that transgenderism is a mental illness that shouldn't be indulged in -- just because you can look like the opposite sex doesn't mean you should. By allowing transgender people to engage in their mental illness, you're doing as much harm as telling a schizophrenic that the voices in their head are real and should be listened to. 

What one should do is entirely subjective. Since you are not transgender you really have no business telling people who've been dealing with these issues what they should be doing.

Calling it a mental illness is nothing but a meaningless subjective opinion.

Classifications of biological sex are a "human construct", sure, but that doesn't give license to classify or term things however you want.

Who decides what classifications and or terms are valid?

If I'm second or third class, you have no class.

Uh ho, good one toots! 

You're really trying to make fun of someone for being disabled, someone who potentially is disabled through serving his country in the military?

He wasn’t disabled in his short military service before he was sent packing. He’s “disabled” because he can’t get anyone to hire him.

It’s a great counterpoint because in America the people with the lowest education  enlist in the military, and the army is at the bottom of the armed services.

I, on the other hand was a Captain in the Marines and a helicopter pilot. 

Oh, I forgot to tell tootsie you are also childless.

I'm not American, 

Well that explains a lot. You are second class or perhaps third and talking out of your ass about a country you don’t live in.

LOL

LOL! That guy is a disabled LCpl from the Army.

The question now is: are you smart enough to be hit by the irony?

He's not smart enough, obviously. LOL!!! 

I'm not a Republican.

Ya, your political ideology is conservative. That equates to Republican or worse, libertarian.

Uh no. It took you five posts

Um maybe you are dense so I’ll rephrase for you. Once I went looking for the citation, it took me less than a minute to find the information to confirm what I already knew.

Firstly, I'm surprised that people read or listen to any news media at all

You supported this bogus statement by saying that Trump won decisively after polling said he had no chance.

It took me less than a minute to find a citation.

But don’t feel bad, not knowing what you are talking about is practically a prerequisite for being a Republican.

Oh you engage in stupid appeal to authorities as well.

oof, didn't take you long either to find his Achilles Heel.

If you want to present the three states, the split within those states, and how the margin within those states was extremely low, please feel free to start any time.

Please feel free to start using critical thinking skills any time IF you are able. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/

“The most important states, though, were Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes”

You've responded to like 15% of what I wrote. I guess you agree with everything else I wrote.

• I just cut the repetitions and tangents.
  

OK, let's' stop right there.  

You are asserting that there is such a think as a Transgender Ideology and that it is defined as "The notion that people can be born into the wrong gender/biological sex is an acceptable interpretation, and not a mental illness,"

YFL asserts that Transgender Ideology is , "  "gender identity is as important as biological sex," which is a radically different claim.

The first assertion is mainstream scientific reporting of observable facts and not a belief in any sense (and therefore not ideology).

I suggest you start a new forum topic where all the bigots get on the same page about what Transgendered Ideology believes and then try to find at least three examples of influential people making such a claim in questions of public policy.

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Elon Musk’s company was aiming to send the nearly 400-foot (120-meter) Starship rocket on a round-the-world trip from the southern tip of Texas.

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This morning's disintegration of SpaceX's Starship in its major test flight led immediately to an implosion-like move in Dogecoin, which has plunged 8% over the past three hours, as of 12:15 p.m. ET. Prior to this move, the stock had moved steadily higher. Thus, over the past day, this token has declined only 5.8%, which is still a considerable move, even for this volatile meme token.

Transgenderism is an ideology. Trans people currently bang the pots and pans about "trans issues" and "the trans perspective". Trans people group up and collectively bargain for political rights under the umbrella term of transgenderism. Trans people assume that their perspective, of which is hotly contested, is valid, and will argue in favor of their perception of transgenderism.

Christianity is an ideology. Christian people currently bang the pots and pans about "Christian issues" and "the Christian perspective". Christian people group up and collectively bargain for political rights under the umbrella term of Christianity. Christian people assume that their perspective, of which is hotly contested, is valid, and will argue in favor of their perception of Christianity. 

• The obvious difference is that nobody is born a Christian, they are made Christian by their belief. 
  

 If we accept the science, then transgenders are born transgender, no what beliefs they hold about their condition.

• Just as there is no ideology of left-handed peoples there is no ideology of transgenderpeople.  Left handed people can deny their left-handedness, train themselves to no follow their nature, but such supression should be unnecessary in any free society.  A left-handed American may claim the same rights as any other American and the asshole who seeks to eradicate left-handedness in American society is an anti-American villain.
  
• To say that left-handedness  is the exact same thing as right-handedness is inaccurate, but that is not what left-handed people are claiming when they claim to enjoy civil right under the law as everybody else.  They are only claiming they are the same before the law.  Likewise,  a transman is not claiming to be a man, he is claiming he has the same civil rights as any man in America.
  

Transgenderism is functionally a political ideology.

• Your opinion is powerless to force somebody to believe an ideology they don't.  If somebody tells you they are not a Christian, good social behavior is to accept the claim.  Telling people that you know that they are secret Christians when they assure they are not is anti-social menacing.  Likewise, when the trans community says, "No we are not an ideology" you can either be civil and accept that claim or be an asshole and insist that they believe things that they deny believing.
  

That is an incorrect context to observe the number in as that would be a popular vote winning margin, not an electoral vote winning margin (again, the United States has the electoral vote system).

If someone won a state by one vote, thus winning all that’s state electoral votes, which is how it works in all but Nebraska and Maine, would you say that person won that state decisively or it was a very narrow victory? And if they won all 50 states by one vote each thus sweeping the electoral college except for a couple votes , would you say the victory was comfortable or very narrow? Use your brain to answer.

It's funny because Greyparrot is right in partially blaming the parents

Like they say. Whether it's genetics or environment, your parents are still to blame

The whole notion of "feminine" is a conscious extrapolation of the biological female

Agreed, except that the concept of "biological female" we are extrapolating from is based entirely on observable characteristics such as genetillia and physical traits like soft facial features or non muscular arms.

No one arguing that biological sex is all about chromosomes has ever wandered around town measuring people's chromosomes before committing to address them as a he or a she. The only reason we know any of this is because we learned it in a text book but now "anti-transgenderism" advocates are pretending like this is what they've always been talking about with regards to gender. That's absurd.

I could show you plenty of naked photos of women right now that you would look at and, absent the context of this conversation, would easily accept is a women. So don't pretend what you learned in a biology text book is what society has always been talking about with regards to these terms.

In other words, people (at birth) not fitting into either the XX or XY category are quite low, and people can be placed into XX or XY after birth with various behavioural observations.

The frequency of occurrence is not relevant to the point. There are only two sexes because we have only defined two sexes. That's a human construct. It is based of off biology but biology includes many other variations, so when one claims there can only be two genders because that's what biology says they are just factually wrong.

And do you think self defense is a good argument here where the US has 5 times the homicides of other developed nations?

What does it mean to be "starved of opportunities"?

• Behind a paywall but the title suggests that there are ideologies regarding gender, not that the condition of Transgenderism itself is itself an ideology.  Do you see the difference?
  

Please don't pretend you want to discuss the modern scientific perspective and then introduce the Southern Baptists as a legit source.  We  Americans officially don't have to give one single fuck what the Southern Baptists. 

• Well, then you agree with me that transgenderism is not an ideology and we are both just waiting for you to remove your head from your ass.. 
  

• As a mattter of public policy, people may choose their gender identity and pursue their happiness therein as they see fit
  

• If you were to more directly ask biologists if transgenderims is a biological, most biologists say yes but to an unkown degree... A 2008 study compared the genes of 112 trans women who were mostly already undergoing hormone treatment...
  

• Gender incongruence among twins
  
• In 2013, a twin study combined a survey of pairs of twins where one or both had undergone...
  

80,000 votes isn't a low number 

In the context of 150 million votes cast in that election it certainly is

It's entirely possible that a number of these shootings were performed in self-defense against criminals,

Gee, if only someone or some organization tracked these events so we could know the circumstances of each shooting 

No shit Sherlock, but had 80,000 votes gone the other way, Clinton would have won the electoral college.

BTW, Biden had 304 electoral votes in 2020 but Trump said he won the election in a landslide.

yet he won comfortably

That’s a lie. He won by a total margin of 80,000 votes in 3 states and he actually lost the overall popular vote.

Terns shot after accidentally getting into wrong ca.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2023/04/19/two-texas-cheerleaders-shot-after-girl-mistakenly-tried-to-get-in-wrong-car/

Teen shot after knocking on wrong door.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-ralph-yarl-teenager-shot-after-wrong-house/story?id=98624730