Lemming

Eh, about 50 seconds in I lose interest in the opinions of the people in the video.

I'm not sure I agree with your interpretations of the Bible, but it's something for me to think on.

Sorry, for some reason I'm having trouble grasping a simple question, (Not Sarcasm)

Can you ask this in different words, explain what you mean by follow, what/why these contradictions would matter?

The Bible says a lot of things,

From my point of view,

Because it's written of many time periods, situations, languages,

By very many people.

Still, that doesn't mean to my mind that it's unworthy of trust, respect, guidance.

In my 'VERY shallow 'VERY uneducated view,

(Exodus 12:49, Exodus 22:21) and socialism(Luke 18:22).

Do not mean open borders or interculturism.

Exodus 22:21, "21 Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

Those simply mean humane and just treatment, doesn't make foreigners citizens.

Jesus was speaking to an individual rich man, not saying he ought take other's stuff and redistribute it.

'Could argue,

But I'm not certain that's speaking of 'countries being the same country, so much as all being of equal share under God.

But again, Bible says a lot of things,

Nehemiah 13 BSB (biblehub.com)"

Justifying one's actions doesn't depend 'so much on the Bible to my mind,

As oneself, one's values, logic, and interpretation.

Nuance.

The Bibles just an additional whisper of wisdom, points of view, times past, situations that future might be.

But eh, even before being an Atheist, I'm a Nihilist,

Flaws in the Bible don't detract from much of it's history, game theory, art, and 'heart.

For I view the same in social standards, history books, politics, yada yada yada, I'm rambling.

Point I'm trying to make it the Bible can be referenced by many different ideals, even in opposite sides at times,

But that doesn't matter,

Even a rainy day, can find two different individuals reaching two different conclusions,

Still, it can be trusted that the day is raining.

What do you mean by feel?

Eh, I just don't agree with your logic.

A person may desperately want, desire, feel that something fact 'must not be,

And yet, only by denying their eyes, logic, reason, and rationale,

Can they deny the truth.

Personel Facts are a mix of senses, experiences, logic. (Edit, and Choice, I suppose.

'That much I'd be willing to admit,

But when people talk of 'feelings, the mind usually goes to no logic, the most basic and primitive unreasoning animals.

Maybe you're using the wrong words to make your argument?

@zedvictor4

Well, much like ILikePie5's Air, and my Consciousness, Existence is one of those needed 'things, for one to be.

Though maybe some life forms can exist without air, or 'be without a higher consciousness.

They're all bit tongue in cheek answers, I think, made part in fun.

Conan 'is focused on the individual,

But his view has more to do with being better than others, crushing others for one's own benefit/enjoyment, winning.

To overanalyze Conan though,

“The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.” - Genghis Khan

Conan movie took place, aesthetically such, part of the movie, of Mongolia.

Conan's own family, tribe, were crushed, driven before Thulsa Doom, might have been some lamentations, I'd have to watch the scene.

Shortly before Conan was taken slave.

Conan blends in with groups, again warlike group he gave speech to.

Maybe he's become small minded, in the course of being a cage match animal.

Or large minded, but I like to think he's starts strong, primitive noble, and 'grows over the course of time.

@sadolite

Stored food and drinks 'are nice.

Allows grocery transport to places far away.

I 'don't agree that they are contradictory, or that one needs supersede the other.

I believe that national rights and human rights are both constructs,

It's not a matter of one superseding the other,

People will apply the law according to their preferences.

Regardless of nationality,

I'd prefer people be respected, not tortured, not have agreements with broken with.

I disagree,

If a person is part of a company, then they have rights in regard to that company,

Such as a paycheck,

A right to work for that company,

A right to enter the company office,

This does not mean that human rights, fair treatment, or civility towards those 'not of the company, do not exist.

I support 'both National Rights, 'and Human Rights.

All Muslims may follow the beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), as the founder & sole ultimate authority of Islam.

And 'yet,

Different practices exist, different sects, different beliefs, different groups, different Islams,

'Seems to me.

I am trying to say that even claims people view as objective,

Become 'subjective through the human lens.

An elephant may be an elephant,

But the blind men's findings are subjective.

I'm trying to say,

Through perception and practice,

Through passing's of batons,

labels change.

National Rights and Human Rights, are not the same thing.

That word could be used instead of intellectually, I suppose.

I think I exist, move, because I exist,

I a human exist,

My instincts, desires, psychological mechanisms exist,

Existence existed/Exist,

Material existed/Exist,

Natural laws existed/Exist,

And through time, chance, the right conditions,

Life on the planet Earth came to be,

Years and years and years passed,

Until complex organisms existed.

I suspect, but do not know,

That the practice of Islam,

Is 'different today, than in it's conception?

In the story, I am reminded of how people hark back to what they see as true or right by their traditions, founders.

Whether in Religion, Society, or Law.

What you say 'does remind me of the Bible,

As well as American Law, regarding the Constitution,

People value origins, tradition,

But 'still, I think people, groups, change.

Below is the part of the Bible I am reminded of.

Interesting point of view,

Though animals rape, kill, torture, for their own amusement.

You'd say their lack of cognitive function, Limited Consciousness/Free Will/Responsibility,

Frees them from evil?

As in a tree falling in the forest, yet none around to hear it?

Though, humans may speak of a mountain as an evil place,

If there are frequent deaths on it, accidents,

I think that's the word in another use, maybe.

I think,

Every practitioner 'is a Founder,

When they influence society around them,

'What a Religion 'is,

Changes with the people,

In my view,

Even with 'Science, one might take this view,

When individuals in past history spoke of Eastern or Western, science, medicine.

They spoke of different claims to knowledge, practices.

And in time, the claims to knowledge, practices, changed.

I believe that an American Citizen is an American Citizen,

I believe that someone 'not an American Citizen, is 'not an American Citizen.

Logically they possess different rights/abilities/privileges,

This does not mean that I think someone 'not an American Citizen, does not deserve rights/abilities/privileges.

It just changes what those rights/abilities/privileges 'are.

Similarly an American Citizen would have 'different rights/abilities/privileges, in 'another country.

I prefer to be an Atheist,

As well as a Nationalist.

Time and Distance are too far, for myself to recall 'exactly how I reached my current opinions.

Too many small steps, experiences, realizations, facts, built up, to recall easily.

As for 'all, it's enough that from my perspective and experiences, I see discrepancies, that lead me to doubt certain claims in various religions.

I consider myself intellectually a Nihilist, yes.

Though in practice, in my humanity, underpinning habits,

Still I move, care, work towards ends.

Can you elaborate on this thought?

I know little of Islam, other than superficial generalities.

True, Muslims exist in more places than the Middle East.

Middle East has potential to rise,

And the West, to fall.

History, Culture, Power of many places on Earth, interesting to read.

I'd have to read more, to have a stronger opinion of 'claimed injustice.

I think it's difficult of Isms to stand apart from their practitioners,

If one speaks of a country, and it's practices, one speaks of generalities, percentages of 'more oftens,

A country of one generation, infrastructure, resources, is not the country of 'another generation, infrastructure, resources.

So the same,

Religion, or 'even individuals, if one separates their life into different pieces of time.

. . .

I think a country worth admiring by my own standards,

Would grant rights to individuals 'not of said country,

Human Rights/Privileges are valuable in my eyes, though artificial,

Due to the existence of empathy, logic.

That is not to say I think countries are wrong to prioritize their own people,

But to actively prey on, disregard any rights of 'other countries, comes off as monstrous.

Though,

As the world has 'shrunk, due to technology,

- eh, thought for a different conversation.

My beliefs are driven by public records, facts, science, accounts, observation, logic, reason, as well as personal experiences.

Also reasons underlying and forgotten.

Though putting all these driving reasons together into a convincing document, is difficult without time and great effort.

I can speak casually about it,

But my casual talk will not be convincing, I think.

Casually,

I don't see God/s, the supernatural, evidence of anything after, or come from the after.

I see writings corrupted by individuals, time, and space.

Facts and claims that don't 'all stand up with time.

Of my claim of life coming from material and chance,

Science has records of life forms time way back,

Geography of tectonic plates and continents movements,

Higher than Heaven, one finds space, and the void.

Deeper than Hell, a molten core.

Though I use the phrasings Heaven and Hell to speak of shallow pop culture understandings, as they relate to religion.

Of morality, my view is tied to Nihilism, Existentialism.

Though I've a 'VERY poor understanding of either, so I speak loosely.

I think of Islam as a religion which believes in the Abrahamic God,

,

The Religion is 'primarily in the Middle East, which I view as 'currently 'overall having less Infrastructure/Tech/Modernization, than the West.

If people speak of individuals being stoned, then I view this as due to location, culture, more than Islam itself.

Only requires different time period, culture shift, for the West to stone people, Whether for Religion or Atheism.

. . .

Islam has various sects, adherents, thus it's more valuable for me to judge it on individual persons and individual group basis.

Same as other religions, or atheisms.

. . .

My position is driven by Truth, Nationalism, Tradition, Honor.

I prefer my own nation, my own tribe, people,

But that's no reason to deny the value of other's ideas.

No reason to dismiss their humanity, or one's obligation to other life forms.

I believe that there is no god/s,

No afterlife,

That life arose out of material existences workings, habits, chance and opportunity.

I believe that morality is a subjective construct, but that we are wired with preferences, These preferences are hard to deny, and as a game of chess already invested in, may as well follow one's creed.

I'd like to live as long as I can, but am lazy,

Sometimes feel bad about not helping others, but I am self centered,

So, I'll try to love myself more than others,

Find what gives myself enjoyment, be it indulgence of the senses, or meaning external.

Thinking on the logic systems, games we humans have invented and be genetically,

Arguing logically or societally preferring what is best.

Still, perhaps I'll Suprise myself with altruism,

Or by the fact I have times past, perhaps I don't know myself.

#63,

By, "Also the opposite with Atheists."

I mean Atheists 'also,

@FLRW

Likely that's 'already happened many times in history.

The 'gist of your post, anyhow.

Some individuals lack honesty in their reasons for representing groups,

Or change their minds, after experiences in life, I suppose.

. . .

Also the opposite with Atheists.

@Topic

I think my mind on Islam remains unchanged.

I suppose if I took the time every X amount of time,

To state my opinion on various subjects,

I could read it back, and see how my answers change over time,

But I don't and in the gradual process of my mind,

I often miss changes in it.

Of Islam though, I still don't know much,

But even with much,

Likely I'll view it as I do other religions, ways of life, philosophies, movements.

@zedvictor4

Thing 'is a pretty wide word.

What is best Action, Lifestyle, Material Good, might have changed my answer,

But maybe could have used qualifier, so people don't answer food, house, steady job.

@Topic

(Joke)

How many precautions do you take, in trying to avoid Covid?

Frequent handwashing?

Avoiding large groups?

I wonder if one could make a business out of snapping up doctors, banned from practicing medicine,

And simply giving them a different place to practice said medicine, legally,

Charge people cheaper rates for medical care.

Eh, I'm an atheist,

But I see a lot of value in the Bible, values, perspectives, ways of life.

Though not 'all of it.

As for individual and societal states of being,

Well, people have ideas of what's right or wrong,

Not 'necessarily due to fear,

But because of values of what is a good or evil life, actions, responsibilities.

I suppose some might argue that Consciousness is not a thing,

And fair enough there's argument and philosophy for said viewpoint,

But I'd rather be awake than a vegetable in a hospital,

Rather 'exist, than not.

Other organisms may enjoy their senses, situations,

But I'd rather enjoy those senses, situations, with my intelligence, awareness,

Than remove bits of my brain through lobotomy, 'then enjoy them.

Consciousness.

Eh, I understand the rational,

I still think it's an incorrect perspective.

Doesn't matter if it's a Roman and a Gaul,

A Hutu and a Tutsi,

Or an Italian American and an Irish American.

Many of those people thought of each other as different races,

And some conflicts big and small have been related to perceived race.

Unnatural,

Or the unexpected, unusual,

Is a moment one ought be wary, I'd think.

@thett3

I don't think Whoopi needs to be canceled for that clip,

I'd rather hear and understand her point of view.

Though I 'might disagree with her view.

4:40 in.

Eh, personally I'm not even sure I understand her point,

The way it 'sounds,

Is that she's saying for 'us, and how we interpret the Holocaust, it doesn't need to be about race, but rather inhumanity, that we 'don't act such a way, no matter the group.

But then she confuses me by saying,

The show irritates me, people interrupting one another, not even time enough for someone to speak their mind 'clearly.

What's there to debate?

Often a line can be said in a different way, so that the words change, but the meaning remains, sentiment.

Procrastinating or not, I found it interesting to read.

What do you mean?

I think the solution is success, prestige, and logic explained.

We trust experts because they are right more often than those wrong.

We trust explanations that make sense/reason.

Though when mistakes are made, or logic is not explained satisfactorily, prestige suffers.

Take Covid, I 'greatly dislike ads that just say, Take the shot, take the shot, take the shot, I am an actor paid to be a doctor.

Or when errors are made, it knocks the prestige/trustability.

Though errors exist, and it's not wrong for professionals to change their view.

. . .

Still with all this said, Experts, (Joke)

Solid infrastructure based on helping the homeless, 'does sound the way to go.

Might be I misread, Tylenol,

And possible dangers, but I don't know enough to think that.

And I suppose the logic that people ought avoid popping a pill 'every time they're in pain makes sense,

But I don't advocate for that either.

Proper use instructions,

Warning labels,

Are good,

I'm not 'sure that Tylenol 'need be a doctor restricted drug,

And I'll admit that people are more likely to commit suicide when they have means,

And less when they lack means,

But suicidal ideation comes and goes,

Just the 'idea of suicide is relatively common, I am 'guessing.

Even when means are removed,

Honestly are a 'lot of ways for determined individuals to off themselves.

, Rambling,

Not practical to safety proof public at large, for 'all items.

I'd have to read more, to have a stronger opinion,

But sounds as if a many of those overdoses are suicidal in nature.

'Certain types of pain medication are addictive,

Such as morphine.

But morphine not a regular painkiller anymore for everyday person.

Something like Tylenol is.

Though 'some people can get used to using Tylenol for 'every pain, and overuse it, causing toxicity,

 think such is easily avoidable for most people.

. . .

There 'might be some issues regarding people with chronic pain,

And taking pain medication vs other methods,

But I don't know much about that.

. . .

Or if your thought is leading to the idea that pain medication is similar to recreational drugs,

Blocking out pain as acceptable,

Well, alcohol for example, often ends in too many adverse effects,

Thus people shun it as a socially acceptable pain solver,

Degrees of differences, make a difference.

Conduct numerous scientific experiments, where you isolate some communities of humans,

And have the adults never state an opinion on the question,

Where did we come from?

'Or state that they've simply 'been here so long as memory goes.

I'd think myself, that skeptical theism is a reasonable outlook,

One at 'least as old as Job.

A pleasant disorientation.

I would 'figure, but don't know,

That food banks would be better able to keep track of individuals,

Help more people, see to it that people 'are helped in basic needs.

Video was more as joke,

I've said what I've said, if we disagree, I don't know what more to say,

Or what more to consider from your viewpoint.

An impasse,

Least on my end.

A turtle 'is a turtle,

And a human dressed up as a turtle is 'not a turtle.

"According to the Islamic faith, Abraham (Arabic: إِبْرَاهِيْمُ, romanized: ʾIbrāhīm"

"Abraham[a] (originally Abram)[b] is the common patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam"

The stories and depictions have differences, though.

That different Anti-Theists of different religions, might have different complaints.

Subjectively,

In how displeasing or impairing, it is.

Can ask other people on scale of 0 - 10,

Can include qualifying statements of describing a 1 or a 10,

That they don't say 10 for a cat scratch.

Maybe if one made quality games that could perfectly run on $100 computers.