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@Reece101
Some people eat turtles,
We don't eat humans dressed up as turtles.
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@Stephen
Ah, so you pedantically snarked.
And 'implied, seems to me.
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@Stephen
I should know better, than to talk of religion with you, but I'll bite,
So you're of the opinion that 'all Muslims and the religion of Islam support child bombers?
I'm 'not saying this, as a nuh uh, you're wrong, I just want to hear your opinion.
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@Intelligence_06
I have to admit, a very common view, would be obedience towards God,
But I'd not say it's the only one,
Or reason enough to condemn the religion or it's practitioners.
In the end after all, it's an animal, not his son, that is sacrificed,
And I'm assuming modern day Muslims don't sacrifice their children, as a regular practice.
I'm 'also assuming Ibrahim's life was full of miracles, and proofs throughout, that gave him faith in this God,
Whether that his God knew better,
That his God would prevent the death,
Other,
I really doubt it's encouraged by religion, for everyone to think of themselves as prophets and miracle conduits.
"hears voices kills their child" #1
I'd call more unfortunate for mental health services, natural occurrence of mental illness,
Or possibly bad 'bad judgement,
But not something I'd condemn Islam for.
. . .
It 'is interesting to hear other of other cultures, and times.
I remember in Romance of the Three Kingdoms,
Historical Fiction,
A hunter kills his wife, and feeds her to Liu Bei,
Who was both grateful and appalled, as I recall.
Liu Bei after losing Xuzhou, his wife and kids, said,
"The ancient had a saying: 'Brothers are as hands and feet; wives and children are as clothing. You may mend your torn dress, but who can reattach a lost limb?"
Speaking of how much he valued his sworn brothers,
Ah, also that baby incident.
Usually portrayed in a 'lighter tone, in modern day, I'd say.
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@Intelligence_06
I 'would think in many societies, we'd be morally obligated to offer help to beggars,
But as Double_R says, some of taxes 'do go towards organizations that offer services to the homeless.
Still, that's a bit a different question.
"Well, giving money = helping, and that is definitely not IMMORAL. However, there are so much to do than just giving him money." - Intelligence_06
And I'd agree that helping a 'bit isn't immoral, but it feels a bit like tossing a cup of water on someone on fire,
Or taking a single light box, from a stack of boxes, an individual is carrying.
May be just too much a wildfire, for individuals to 'easily help homeless individuals,
The numbers, the various reasons for their situations.
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@Reece101
'Maybe,
I don't understand the words and definitions well enough to have a strong opinion.
"A civilization state is a country that represents not just a historical territory, ethnolinguistic group, or body of governance, but a unique civilization in its own right.[1] It is distinguished from the concept of a nation state by describing a country's dominant sociopolitical modes as constituting a category larger than a single nation. When classifying states as civilization states, emphasis is often placed on a country's historical continuity and cultural unity across a large geographic region."
Are the Amish a civilization?
Certainly, they're a society, I'd imagine.
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@Reece101
Fair point,
But even the idea of 'all civilizations collapsing, isn't novel.
"Virtually all civilizations have suffered such a fate, regardless of their size or complexity, but some of them later revived and transformed, such as China, India, and Egypt. However, others never recovered, such as the Western and Eastern Roman Empires, the Mayan civilization, and the Easter Island civilization.[1] Societal collapse is generally quick[1] but rarely abrupt.[2] However, some cases involve not a collapse but only a gradual fading away, such as the British Empire since 1918.[3]"
"Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!" - Ozymandias
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@Reece101
Was meant more as a joke, than serious, but 'bit serious.
I'm more of sadolite's mind, of civilizations falling.
Though semantics 'can be argued.
"It is our will that this state shall endure for a thousand years. We are happy to know that the future is ours entirely!" -Some Politician
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@ILikePie5
One can appreciate that,
Though thinking on it, one might come to the conclusion, it's more taking the long way, to the same end.
That they don't have to buy 'that meal, now means previous money can now go to drugs.
Though the less 'weight of some drug addicts, implies some don't plan much money towards food anyhow.
Food's perishable, but other items can be hawked for petty cash.
Still, not all homeless are drug addicts,
And I'd think likely regardless, many appreciate food or other needs.
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@Reece101
Long ago, the dinosaurs lived together in harmony. Then everything changed, when the giant meteor attacked.
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@Lunar108
To quote myself, as I'm lazy.
"The Binding of Isaac,
While it's true that Isaac was not sacrificed in the end, and that it seems certain God never intended him to be sacrificed in the end. He 'did still tell Abraham to sacrifice his son.
Bible has numerous different versions and translations.
Though an atheist, I pretty much translate it however I want now, as I figure the original meaning to be lost, or at least very difficult to ascertain with certainty, so what matters to me is what perspective 'I find enlightening or useful.
The Binding of Isaac,
I can view as perhaps human and child sacrifice was practiced in antiquity, and this passage of the Bible was Gods way in telling his people he knows already that they fear, respect, and revere him to such an extent. That they 'never need commit human sacrifice again to 'prove their devotion to him.
For my idea of God would be 'displeased by human and child sacrifice.
But there's 'still the problem of a man being asked to do something we'd consider immoral. . .
Hm, perhaps can be resolved by God would not have asked the same thing of a person unwilling to commit such an act, but he chose a member of his people that 'would, that he might teach him and the rest of the people, otherwise.
Though other people have different interpretations I'm sure.
I'm still an atheist, but looking for meaning in the Bible is still interesting to me, from time to time.
Though my understanding of it, on a scale 1-10, I'd rate a 1."
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I'm 'pretty sure I remember a number of pieces in the Bible, 'condemning religions that practiced child worship,
But as I'm too lazy to research this, I'll just assert it without proof.
That being said, Christianity is different than Islam,
And people, groups, have different interpretations of events.
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@Bones
I just can't take video seriously, one second in, one introduction and image, and my perspective is set, but maybe that's my problem.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Fair point,
Something I'd hazard to argue, that I'm unsure about,
Is before societies became so 'mobile,
Villages, city quarters might have had residential beggars, so to speak.
Individuals that the community knew, and 'had known for a long period of time.
That maybe communities would more often look after their own,
That's just me 'guessing about the past though.
Still, modern world, feels it has less real world community interaction,
Peoples lives gotten larger, but smaller,
Phones and mail and internet, we communicate with people far away,
But not our neighbor next door.
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@3RU7AL
Likely a reason I prefer not giving to charity, or helping others 'over 'much,
Is preferring myself,
Or not preferring them 'over myself.
If my second brother was willing to get off drugs,
I'd be willing to empty my bank account to pay for rehab,
At 'least once.
If I 'knew giving a thousand dollars to a homeless individual would be 'certain they'd improve their lot in life. . .
Not sure I'd do it,
Too 'many people in the world,
And seems my altruism has limits,
Though I may open doors for someone struggling with a package,
Pick an item off the ground for an elderly individual who dropped it,
Take time to give directions to an out of towner,
I dunno,
Perhaps strangers are intangible, vague, in sense of the importance one gives in helping them.
Egoism and Altruism clash,
And by variables I can't see,
One wins, or the other.
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@Intelligence_06
Likely, if individuals or exist,
That prefer not to wear masks,
If in groups, would prefer other's to share their values.
Expanded all the more, the higher their percentage.
Though such is the same for mask wearers, I suppose.
One feels impelled by peer pressure,
Everyone is wearing masks, I ought to.
No one is wearing masks, I ought not.
That person is not confirming with the group and/or me?
They ought be.
. . .
Not that people aren't individuals, or have good reasons for their beliefs,
But at the least, I think of group think.
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@3RU7AL
No, because I find myself tripped up,
By considering too many. . . variables.
Too many points of view, definitions, syllogisms.
I've been thinking this recently after seeing,
Though I'm suspicious of the motives and character of the poster,
Still that's neither here nor there,
Point is a problem I've long had,
I'm not sure 'what my values are,
What I believe, or why,
I worry it just often comes about, in half formed logic and reflex.
Not so much morality in 'general,
But my own.
I blame nihilism, yet the will to live.
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@Double_R
That's a bit my take as well, I don't really fault people who give,
Even just one day better for someone, is one day better.
But it's still giving fish, not fishing poles.
And taxes are a fair point, how 'much must an individual help,
In the thought of taxes, our efforts 'are already helping, albeit not that specific individual.
One 'could argue not helping, is similar to watching a man drown, and saying "Well, I already paid the lifeguard to watch people, not my fault he's not here."
But then, trying to rescue a drowning person is dangerous, might drown you as well.
I wouldn't say I've had an interaction long enough to 'know, any homeless individuals.
Had a 'couple minute long interactions,
Ah wait, then there was a time I talked to some people at,
Haven for Hope, in San Antonio, Robert G. Marbut - Wikipedia.
As part of clinicals.
Involved talking with X number of people a day, and just writing on interaction,
Reasoning was 'some homeless have drug problems, mental illness, or both.
There was also a clinic or something there, that gave out treatment, 'and medicine I 'think.
Still, even that, isn't 'much 'knowing an individual.
Eh, I walked around San Fransisco a fair bit once, on a vacation, looking at sites,
'Lot of homeless there as well.
Hm, but you say 'met,
Ah wait, there's my second brother, I know him quite well.
Sent you a PM on him, as I don't feel like public speaking of his affairs in public, much this moment.
. . .
Food, Clothing, and Shelter,
'Was money, before paper currency and coins came about.
I'd argue.
. . .
I would describe my current moral values as egoism,
And 'vague limited altruism, motivated by empathy and cultural values.
(Edit, also perceived situational necessity, probably/maybe, reason for altruism)
. . .
I find child labor depressing.
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@Lunatic
I'm not sure it 'fits the conversation, but your comment reminds me of a video.
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@Double_R
Impression I've had of late, is that regardless of their competence,
'Certainly for Biden, 'maybe for Democrats,
More effort needs be given explaining what they are doing, have done, are working towards.
In 'more than vague statements.
Something I often think on that I saw in job,
Is people can 'easily not appreciate your work, if they don't 'see it or 'you.
Even if work is done, or you are working hard.
Coworker worked 'just as hard as me, but did so quietly, unobtrusive, people thought he wasn't a good worker, but he was.
Appearance is reality, bah.
Though, even all this said,
Doesn't mean I like or dislike Biden, and Democrats, 'work.
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@Stephen
Someone through mistake, accident, ill intent, or lack of knowledge,
Slaughters an animal in an incorrect, or overly cruel fashion.
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@warren42
Well, 'ask anything, doesn't mean 'answer anything.
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@Wylted
Well, DDO has an intrusive number of ads, so maybe it makes a fair amount of money.
I've no head for the value of items.
'Most I could have offered was $50,000 outright, X amount of time ago, but near all of that got invested into buying a house.
And even that I'd 'guess might not be enough money.
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@airmax1227
@#3
Yes.
Also, I've always wondered what the site was 'worth, if an individual wanted to buy it,
Though I doubt I could afford it.
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@airmax1227
Of Debate.org
Wasn't/Hasn't been mentioned/informed to the general users, so far as I know.
Who the owners are, how to seek help or report issues.
What's being done to fix the site.
Or instead if the site has been pretty much abandoned so to speak.
I like to think I'll stay on till the end, no matter the state (Out of a whim)
But other than the regular passages declaring "To the lifeboats, DART and DebateIsland Ahoy!"
Management, and Moderators never really gave an explanation much.
Though bits of the site 'do seem to get fixed from time to time, some debates removed for violating policy, and users 'possibly banned.
Just seems like it'd be nice to know what's it all about and what.
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@RationalMadman
Righto,
Sent the books in school question,
Since most people have been to school as kids,
Schools might have assigned people the same books, fun that people share interests,
Some people might come from different cultures, fun to see other cultures school differences.
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@RationalMadman
Fair point.
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@RationalMadman
Of the subject I know little, thus don't have a strong opinion.
One might argue that excessive pain comes from malpractice,
"A 1978 study at the University of Veterinary Medicine Hanover indicates that shechita gave results which proved "...pain and suffering to the extent as has since long been generally associated in public with this kind of slaughter cannot be registered..." and that "[a complete loss of consciousness] occurred generally within considerably less time than during the slaughter method after captive bolt stunning."[56] However, the lead of the study William Schulze warned in his report that the results may have been due to the captive bolt device they used being defective.[56]"
"Nick Cohen, writing for the New Statesman, discusses research papers collected by Compassion in World Farming which indicate that the animal suffers pain during the process.[57] In 2009, Craig Johnson and colleagues showed that calves that have not been stunned feel pain from the cut in their necks,[58] and they may take at least 10–30 seconds to lose consciousness.[59]"
"Temple Grandin says that the experiment needs to be repeated using a qualified shochet and knives of the correct size sharpened in the proper way.[60]
Studies done in 1994 by Temple Grandin, an Associate Professor of Animal Science at Colorado State University, and another in 1992 by Flemming Bager, Head of the Danish Veterinary Laboratory, showed that when the animals were slaughtered in a comfortable position they appeared to give no resistance and none of the animals attempted to pull away their head. The studies concluded that a shechita cut "probably results in minimal discomfort" because the cattle stand still and do not resist a comfortable head restraint device.[64]"
"Temple Grandin—a leading designer of animal handling systems—gives various times for loss of consciousness via kosher ritual slaughter, ranging from 15 to 90 seconds depending on measurement type and individual kosher slaugtherhouse.[65] She elaborates on what parts of the process she finds may or may not be cause for concern.[66][67] In 2018, Grandin stated that kosher slaughter, no matter how well its done, is not instantaneous, whereas stunning properly with a captive bolt is instantaneous.[68]"
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@RationalMadman
In Judaism, shechita (anglicized: /ʃəxiːˈtɑː/; Hebrew: שחיטה; [ʃχiˈta]; also transliterated shehitah, shechitah, shehita) is slaughtering of certain mammals and birds for food according to kashrut.
I Googled,
kosher slaughter wikipedia,
That's what popped up.
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@RationalMadman
I only skimmed a short blurb of them on Wikipedia,
Wikipedia not 'best source, but is 'light introduction to topics, I think.
"Temple Grandin is opposed to shackling and hoisting as a method of handling animals and wrote, on visiting a shechita slaughterhouse,
I will never forget having nightmares after visiting the now defunct Spencer Foods plant in Spencer, Iowa, fifteen years ago. Employees wearing football helmets attached a nose tong to the nose of a writhing beast suspended by a chain wrapped around one back leg. Each terrified animal was forced with an electric prod to run into a small stall which had a slick floor on a forty-five-degree angle. This caused the animal to slip and fall so that workers could attach the chain to its rear leg [in order to raise it into the air]. As I watched this nightmare, I thought, 'This should not be happening in a civilized society.' In my diary I wrote, 'If hell exists, I am in it.' I vowed that I would replace the plant from hell with a kinder and gentler system.[69]
Efforts are made to improve the techniques used in slaughterhouses. Temple Grandin has worked closely with Jewish slaughterers to design handling systems for cattle, and has said: "When the cut is done correctly, the animal appears not to feel it. From an animal-welfare standpoint, the major concern during ritual slaughter are the stressful and cruel methods of restraint (holding) that are used in some plants."[70]"
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@Castin
Yay!
Now you'll be part of the next time I send questions towards a mass bunch of users.
Lot of people seem to enjoy learning channels on YouTube, but to be expected for debate site users, maybe.
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@RationalMadman
Animals certainly seem to feel fear,
From what I've heard people say of group behavior,
Or when they're being forced into a suspicious place, with suspicious smells.
I'm sure animals can with training recognize dangerous animals, or objects.
Sorry about walls of italic text, don't feel a 'need to read it all.
I don't know much of the subject, but a number of the words, sentences, imply to me a desire to humanely slaughter animals.
"According to Islamic tradition, the animal is brought to the place of slaughter and laid down gently so as to not injure it."
"The blade must be kept hidden until the very last moment while the jugular of the animal is felt."
"It is also compulsory that each animal must be slaughtered individually and in seclusion, according to some schools of thought. In a poultry farm or slaughter house, one animal must not witness another animal being slaughtered as it is makruh.[citation needed]"
"Stunning the animal with a bolt-gun, as is the standard practice in USDA FSIS inspected slaughtering houses, may cause instant death. Most Muslims regard meat from such a slaughter to be haraam, considering such meat as carrion. However, some accept this on the grounds that a stunned animal which is not slaughtered recovers to lead a full normal life, therefore stunning does not damage the lifeforce of the animal and is halal. This argument is, in fact, untenable as the animal which actually dies as a result of stunning obviously cannot recover 'to lead a full normal life'; it is only the animals which are not 'damaged' by stunning that can recover fully. There are always a small percentage of animals that always die from the stunning process. It is this mortality of a small number of animals that renders the whole stunning process unacceptable according to the halal system, in the view of some. However, all animals are stunned before commercial slaughter in New Zealand and New Zealand is a major exporter of halal meat.[20][21]
It is for these reasons that there are ongoing questions and conversations within the North American Muslim community as to whether meat processed in these slaughterhouses meets the standard of "halal" (as opposed to dhabīḥah). At the center of this debate is the doubt as to whether this meat could qualify under the allowed category of the food of the People of the Book (Jewish and Christians). The first consideration being that standard slaughtering methods could cause the animal to die in a way other than slaughter (death through exsanguination).
Debate continues among Muslim jurists and the general Muslim population about whether or not stunning, anesthetics, or other forms of inducing unconsciousness in the animal prior to slaughter are permissible as per Islam. Several halal food authorities have more recently permitted the use of a recently developed fail-safe system of head-only stunning where the shock is less painful and non-fatal and where it is possible to reverse the procedure and revive the animal after the shock.[22]"
. . .
"The procedure is done with the intention of causing a rapid drop in blood pressure in the brain and loss of consciousness, to render the animal insensitive to pain and to exsanguinate in a prompt and precise action.[9]"
"Forbidden techniques[edit]
- Shehiyah (שהייה; delay or pausing)—Pausing during the incision and then starting to cut again makes the animal's flesh unkosher.[12] The knife must be moved across the neck in an uninterrupted motion until the trachea and esophagus are sufficiently severed to avoid this.[5] There is some disagreement among legal sources as to the exact length of time needed to constitute shehiyah, but today the normative practice is to disqualify a kosher cut as a result of any length of pausing.[13]
- Derasah (דרסה; pressing/chopping)—The knife must be drawn across the throat by a back and forth movement, not by chopping, hacking, or pressing without moving the knife back and forth.[14] There are those[15] who assert that it is forbidden to have the animal in an upright position during shechita due to the prohibition of derasah. They maintain that the animal must be on its back or lying on its side, and some also allow for the animal to be suspended upside down.[16] However, the Rambam explicitly permits upright slaughter,[17] and the Orthodox Union as well as all other major kosher certifiers in the United States accept upright slaughter.[18]
- Haladah (חלדה; covering, digging, or burying)—The knife must be drawn over the throat so that the back of the knife is at all times visible while shechita is being performed. It must not be stabbed into the neck or buried by fur, hide, feathers, the wound itself, or a foreign object (such as a scarf) which may cover the knife.[19]
- Hagramah (הגרמה; cutting in the wrong location)—Hagramah refers to the location on the neck on which a kosher cut may be performed; cutting outside this location will in most cases disqualify a kosher cut.[20] According to today's normative Orthodox practice, any cutting outside this area will in all cases disqualify a kosher cut.[20] The limits within which the knife may be applied are from the large ring in the windpipe to the top of the upper lobe of the lung when it is inflated, and corresponding to the length of the pharynx. Slaughtering above or below these limits renders the meat non-kosher.
- Iqqur (עיקור; tearing)—If either the esophagus or the trachea is torn during the shechita incision, the carcass is rendered non-kosher. Iqqur can occur if one tears out the esophagus or trachea while handling an animal's neck or if the esophagus or trachea is torn by a knife with imperfection/s on the blade, such as nicks or serration.[21][22][23] In order to avoid tearing, the kosher slaughter knife is expertly maintained and regularly checked with the shochet's fingernail to ensure that no nicks are present.[24]"
"It is forbidden to slaughter an animal and its young on the same day.[29] An animal's "young" is defined as either its own offspring, or another animal that follows it around, even if of another species.[citation needed]"
"Temple Grandin is opposed to shackling and hoisting as a method of handling animals and wrote, on visiting a shechita slaughterhouse,
I will never forget having nightmares after visiting the now defunct Spencer Foods plant in Spencer, Iowa, fifteen years ago. Employees wearing football helmets attached a nose tong to the nose of a writhing beast suspended by a chain wrapped around one back leg. Each terrified animal was forced with an electric prod to run into a small stall which had a slick floor on a forty-five-degree angle. This caused the animal to slip and fall so that workers could attach the chain to its rear leg [in order to raise it into the air]. As I watched this nightmare, I thought, 'This should not be happening in a civilized society.' In my diary I wrote, 'If hell exists, I am in it.' I vowed that I would replace the plant from hell with a kinder and gentler system.[69]
Efforts are made to improve the techniques used in slaughterhouses. Temple Grandin has worked closely with Jewish slaughterers to design handling systems for cattle, and has said: "When the cut is done correctly, the animal appears not to feel it. From an animal-welfare standpoint, the major concern during ritual slaughter are the stressful and cruel methods of restraint (holding) that are used in some plants."[70]"
"The OU's condonation of Agriprocessors as a possibly inhumane, yet appropriately glatt kosher company has led to discussion as to whether or not industrialized agriculture has undermined the place of halakha (Jewish law) in shechita as well as whether or not halakha has any place at all in Jewish ritual slaughter.[74]"
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@RationalMadman
I think both came into existence out of consideration for the animals to be slaughtered, or how it might emotionally effect humans.
By this I mean, both methods sound attempts to kill animals with 'less pain or fear, rather than more.
As well as ideas of what is healthy or unhealthy to consume.
Also cultural ideas of good or ill behavior, uses of animals and their material.
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@zedvictor4
I think the eyepatch looks awesome on him,
If I knew nothing about him and another candidate, and 'had to vote on 'looks,
He'd likely have my vote.
@NoOneInParticular
Eh, people 'infer he said Jesus was imaginary,
One 'could argue it was just a case of poor sentence structure,
Though he'd have been better off kindly explaining such 'if it was the case, than his actual response to the girl.
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@Stephen
I've no comment at this time about the morality of his action,
Just that I don't think I'd be willing to vote to convict him.
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@badger
Sometimes I feel bad about eating meat,
Sometimes I think on how animals might be mis-slaughtered or kept.
Sometimes I think there might be other food sources that are more cost efficient per effort.
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@Stephen
I don't know, my question log thing says,
Stephen» has deleted one of the questions received from you, yesterday.
And there's also an answered question that I sent to you 7 months ago,
Though I don't know if you can answer said question whenever, and it'll still show 7 months ago.
Still, I usually check my question log, and avoid sending questions to people who already have one unanswered question,
As I assume they don't 'want me sending them questions,
So I assume you answered that question 7 months ago, then forgot about it,
Then deleted the new question yesterday,
Then saw the old question you answered, and had a question of your own.
Though I may be wrong, such is my guess.
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@bmdrocks21
"Harry, did you put your name in the goblet of fire?" Dumbledore asked calmly,
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@sui_generis
Not something I've given deep thought,
Off the top of my head opinions,
Defending,
Social Norms.
Morals and ethics are often treated as objective.
Attacking,
Nihilism.
People will find new morals and ethics, as justified by their desires.
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@Danielle
I think immigration 'can strengthen a nation,
"Shang Yang enacted policies to compensate for the shortage of manpower in Qin. As Qin peasants were recruited into the military, he encouraged active immigration of peasants from other states into Qin as a replacement workforce; this policy simultaneously increased the manpower of Qin and weakened the manpower of Qin's rivals."
On the other hand, some people argue that later mishandling of immigration, was one of the many reasons for Romes decline.
"in the fifth century the Romans lost control of the immigration process. Armies were sent to the Middle East to counter a hostile, newly invigorated Persia, leaving the West open. The Germanic tribes were allowed in, but once inside the empire they were not assimilated but retained their cultural and political identities, eventually combining to form armies within its borders that the Romans could no longer overcome."
Though some point out Rome's success in offering citizenship as it conquered.
"According to tradition, the once-great and formerly welcoming city of Rome had been founded in the eighth century B.C. as an asylum, a Latin word meaning “sanctuary for refugees.” As Rome grew from monarchy to humble republic to unrivaled empire, the Roman people developed a winning formula for ending wars, fostering stability and achieving widespread, lasting economic success: They extended citizenship to non-residents of the capital.
By any conservative account, Rome’s government did so three times by Claudian’s day: first, in its wars of Italian conquest in the first century B.C.; then, during its aggressive period of colonial expansion in the first and second centuries A.D.; and finally, in 212 A.D., when Emperor Caracalla granted citizenship rights to every free-born person in Rome’s orbit."
Personally,
I was fine with immigration when I was younger, and even 'now I don't much care, though more due to apathy.
But for individuals who 'care about their tribe, people, blood, history, forebears,
Mass immigration seems to me, daft.
. . .
Of your arguments,
I 'do suppose that people here due to asylum, 'ought have better living conditions than what we saw with Trump.
But I simply cannot agree with just letting someone immigrate or stay too long due to asylum.
I don't really care if there's a shortage of workers for bad jobs in America,
Maybe we ought pay more, eliminate some jobs.
Of free movement compared to lockdown,
One is an action a community takes on itself,
The other is an uninvited guest.
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@Yassine
If you don't mind a personal question,
What brought Islam to such truth and value, in your life?
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@Lunatic
@Mikal
Feels 'very schoolyard,
Couple of. . . . 'individuals, pushing another individual,
Saying fight, fight, fight, or you're a "pussy" - Mikal
I can't say I approve.
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@ILikePie5
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@Lunatic
Eh, I care enough to read what he says and consider it.
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@Stephen
Opinions by 'Politicians of the British 'Empire,
Speaking of a religion different than their own, of a culture different than their own, of national powers different than their own.
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@Stephen
Say to those who believe that they should forgive those who expect not the days of Allah, as it is for Him to recompense people for what they have earned.
Surah Al-Jathiyah 45:14
Same source I used last time,
All I can say is I'm unfamiliar with Islam,
But given your past statements on Christianity, and our disagreements there,
I find it difficult to consider you a font of knowledge, concerning Islam.
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@Wylted
Sounds an insulting post to me, #30.
But ah well, I've said what I've said, and don't think I've anymore I want to say.
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@Wylted
Eh, well, we've both stated our opinions on the subject.
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@Wylted
I'd have to read the History of the Crusades to have a stronger opinion,
But I'm thinking there was killing and conquering on both sides, various times, same times, sometimes.
From what I 'do vaguely recall, Saladin was often praised by people of the West, for his wisdom, chivalry.
I'd have to read more on Islam to have a stronger opinion,
But from what little I've read, there's wisdom, kindness that 'could be gained in it's study, practice.
Same with Confucianism, Christianity, Judaism, and various other religions, philosophies, I'm sure.
Ah, got phone call, last thought.
Mentioned by Chaplain Henry Gerecke-Nuremberg Chaplain
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