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Though I don't really 'get Hegel, I'd suppose 'humans would have end points.
Less complex animals do after all, I'd suppose,
Though even those less complex animals, behavior 'changes depending on environment,
Humans though, one of our main characteristics I'd say is 'changing our environments, hence adding more complexity, as our behavior changes in the new environment.
Still complexity is just a word,
But is Pi complexity, or an error?
To the point though, just rambling about,
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That link feels a bit more like Season 22, Episode 1.
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I wonder how much a work needs to change, to avoid copyright.
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Personally, I liked South Park post Covid better the first time, Cartman and Butters were much more, 'animated, to me.
Though Stan and Kyles first future sucked, eh, ending wasn't for me.
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@zedvictor4
Personally, I prefer reading, to listening, when people are making arguments,
Allows me to glance back easy, at that previously said.
Though listening to music or spectacle, is enjoyable.
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Connotation, I suppose, in relation to the severity of the groups status or past.
Even 'if a different slur were said with more venom, the connotation holds greater weight, often.
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@TheUnderdog
I'll admit that what little I've 'heard of the American Drug War, that it sounds to have been ineffective, and worse, to have done damage in its attempt.
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Why do people care about some group slurs, but not others?
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@Lunar108
My, you sound bitter, to me?
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@Castin
Fair perspective,
Sometimes I comment more one the conversation, than a person, and avoid @ing people, if I don't feel my comment 'adds enough to the conversation, to be worth notifying them.
Why comment at all, if it doesn't add enough to the conversation, well, sometimes one just likes to aside remark, at no one in particular.
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@TheUnderdog
My argument, is instruction, introduction, of ideas,
Creates progress, where before, none was to be had.
It doesn't matter whether it's Confucianism or Christianity,
They are introductions,
Systems, history,
Great momentums of tumbling giants.
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@TheUnderdog
Have you a high view of the uneducated?
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Lot of variation in that Christian lens though,
Christians I've known, and Christian perspectives I've enjoyed reading,
Did not seem to make or believe "the whole point of being in a religion was so that you got a chance at some afterlife."
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@TheUnderdog
We disagree on responsibility, I see.
As well as ramifications of actions,
I am emotional about drug legalization, due to my experiences with my second brother, he is family, and someone I love.
Experiencing an event, tends to change an individuals perspective,
This does not mean that their new perspective is 'correct, but it has a way of obscuring other viewpoints. (Something I 'try to keep in mind)
I am my brothers keeper.
Well, each to their own then,
And each of our efforts and votes to that we believe.
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@Lunar108
I see no reason for people who believe, 'not to believe, based on said article.
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@TheUnderdog
He is causing psychological and emotional harm to his loved ones by his actions.
He is weakening the fabric of society, by his example.
He is victimizing himself, by his poor decisions and lack of control.
I also sent a PM, that felt too emotion laced for forums,
Felt a bit anger.
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What does an existence merit, from those responsible, if only for one's existence?
Is it society or blood, where one looks in askence?
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@Lunar108
Sorry I don't address all your argument,
You say a lot,
So I respond to what I judge the gist.
My mother tried paying with a Susam B Anthony Dollar once, fast food worker had to get her manager, to make sure it was real.
Some science, history, claims,
Rests more on belief, trust, than in rigorous and scientific testing by the individual.
Some people take some writings as allegory.
Some writings explain the action to take in response to circumstance, though the understanding of 'why may not have yet been.
Cleanliness in some religions (Germs),
Moral outrage over incest (Bad Genes),
Homosexuality (Brutal world where many people died, and societies that had kids may have been more successful)
Servitude (Brutal world, where resources could be scarce, where various forms of government, economics, structure had not been developed)
Religions, look to me, to change to extents, based on people, time, circumstance.
'More than 'just a neverchanging narrative, in some fantastic story.
Do the participants in the telephone game lie, when they play,
If I misjudge the weather,
When you ask if it's raining,
I say yes, though it turns out it wasn't,
It 'was looking like a drizzle 5 minutes ago, I was sure.
. . .
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@TheUnderdog
If I could commit my 2nd brother into rehab against his will, I would.
I'd further argue that he ought be 'legally identified as insane at various moments, due to his state of mind at times, as well as his years of drug use, misuse, and overuse.
Vaccines and drugs are not synonymous.
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Well, 'maybe just legally insane, when under the influence of certain drugs,
Though not so much when 'off them for a period of time.
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@Lunar108
I sometimes think people 'are their ideas. . .
But that thought aside, I'd agree people often attempt to put their passion against the concepts, rather than the individual.
Though I don't recall hate the sin, not the sinner in the Bible, and I am going by paltry Wikipedia research,
Matthew 7:1Chrysostom: Wherefore He does not say, ‘Do not cause a sinner to cease,’ but do not judge; that is, be not a bitter judge; correct him indeed, but not as an enemy seeking revenge, but as a physician applying a remedy.
Still, despite such attempts to direct one's passion against the concept, rather than the individual, the individual usually winds up related.
Whether in hatred of drugs in an individual, action must be taken, if proactive, such as an intervention led by qualified professionals, rehab.
(In the best of cases)
In worse, well,
People often rail against America's war on crime,
We saw in history how the Communists in Russian, led their war against 'capitalism, yet so many of their people suffered in it.
Though that's not a dig at Russia or Communism, so much as hating the concept, not the person.
All the 'world, has it's share of concepts, and those who follow them, entangled.
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Though I sometimes think, America's unravelling string, will 'be its inclusivity.
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@Lunar108
One respects the table saw, that buzzes the very air with it's turning, and destructive power,
One respects the rain, and it's implications for crops, road conditions,
One respects the concept of an angle, for it's various contributions to architecture and furniture construction.
What I'm getting at, is that I think beliefs warrant respect, IN GENERAL.
Of course, we're going to give 'less respect to beliefs we disagree with, for various reasons, be they logic, aesthetics, culture, so on.
But there's 'something respectable, about beliefs that 'drive individuals and groups,
One doesn't always 'like them, or appreciate their results.
But one respects the power they have.
. . .
Though I suppose some beliefs have 'less power than others,
Whether because it's a weak belief, or the belief has a weak hold in an individual or culture.
Monster under the bed, weak belief,
Though it's well to respect it, in how one handles their children's fear of it.
Though if an adult had such a fear, it-
I'm going off topic.
. . .
I stick with the respect of power argument.
As well as the psychological reasoning that when other's respect something, your approach matters.
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Though I can understand people disrespecting an idea they think is stupid (Any idea, I'm not saying Theism is stupid)
I also think a reason for some anti-theists disrespect for theism, is a dumbing down for the 'reasons theism exists, theisms implications, and contributions.
But said dumbing down, can exist for many ideas,
Sometimes a laugh and making light can work, but that's usually only if the other person can quickly see your perspective, and I mean 'truly see your perspective.
Which requires great similarity of thought, environment, nature.
Though often that similarity, though great, comes about easily.
People of similar nature, upbringing, intelligence, knowledge, culture.
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@Lunar108
Reply to Lunar108 #63
So, how would you take action, in this hate you have, for your idea/perspective Islam?
Voice it?
Advocate for legislation?
Call for society to condemn it and all it's connected to?
Other?
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@Polytheist-Witch
You can't separate a philosophy that you think is hate filled from the people who practice it. No one says white supremacy sucks but I can hang out with white supremacist. I am sure atheists will say "sure we can" but that's a lie. No one does that. So you can say it to please some here, I know better.- Polytheist-Witch, Post #60
Of course, that's an extreme example,
It'd be even easier for a white guy to hang out with a racist white friend, or a black guy to hang out with a racist black friend,
Probably be annoying if they bring up their belief too much, maybe a dealbreaker if they act violently on it,
But I expect in history, many people have put aside their personal convictions, and continued to 'hang out with other individuals regardless.
Depends a bit how one 'defines white supremacist, I suppose, how active,
But even with the active, some people can hang out with such,
Depends on the circumstance,
Be more likely for people to hang out with supremacists when it was/is acceptable in a society.
More likely for people to hang out with supremacists if their belief isn't taken to extents one can't stomach.
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@Lunar108
I'd agree that respect is earned,
But I also think people tend to give it automatically to certain situations and positions,
Though even in such automatic givens, said respect can be lost.
And these 'give'ins, depend on culture.
Parents, Children, other people, positions in society whether garbage man, teacher, government, certain ideas and concepts depending on culture.
I prefer people deserving respect,
Deserving obedience (To an extent) per circumstance.
Of Islam, I 'really don't know much, and can't speak much.
Though 'most ideologies I've read of, whether Atheist, Theist, Democratic, Monarchy,
Can be turned on their heads, depending on the actors, the circumstance so to speak.
One minute, 10 seconds in, An American Carol: Radicals Christians
There 'have been times in history, regions, individuals, groups,
Of 'many a belief, again, 'Including Atheism,
Where they have been less than savory, to our current values,
Of which even all of ours on this forum, vary.
. . .
Sorry I'm a bit lazy in addressing your points, I'm going to try to cheat,
But would you say your reasons boil down to different culture and values?
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Something that occurred to me is whether or not one supports Kyle Rittenhouse or the 2 dead men in terms of morality, one must definitely be horrified at guns and America's easy-access culture regarding them. - RationalMadman, Post #1
Your thought is incorrect,
Though 'some people may be horrified by America's gun culture, others are not.
I am not horrified of America's gun culture.
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@ludofl3x
I'd say the law has the potential for 'more danger than guns, rather than less.
Far reaching effects, forced compliance, currents of change, influence, and the shaping of the nation.
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@Greyparrot
An argument that without knowledge or understanding of government and politics, how can people's votes be genuine/meaningful?
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@ludofl3x
Even a mandatory vote, doesn't mean they believe in the system,
Be easy for them to just vote randomly, without care.
I've known people who aren't
conspiracy nuts, just don't feel their drop of a vote matters, in the ocean of votes,
So they declined to vote.
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@zedvictor4
Anyone conditioned, will say what anyone conditioned, is conditioned to say.
I'd agree.
If every person in the world, regardless of theist or atheist,
Had their life, morals, ethics, choices, stretched and examined,
I'm sure people would have contradictions, or lack sound explanations for everything.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Higher numbers represented those with more power, in the board game we had.
At first I thought you meant invert the 'power and numbers of the ranks.
Which could be fun, if you gave the unit's special abilities.
For chess, do a handicap, of you can't move your king.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think I 'still have the 'physical board game version.
Haven't played in years.
I 'think one strategy my family would use, would be to put all out mines in one location in the back, to make it 'seem like they were protecting the flag, but the flag would 'really be somewhere else.
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@TheUnderdog
Even if people think others are at risk of hellfire, it's not so easy to force one's beliefs in America, currently, I'd say.
Though maybe that depends on what beliefs.
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Besides,
"Islamic law prohibits forced conversion, following the Quranic principle that there is "no compulsion in religion" (Quran 2:256). However, episodes of forced conversions have occurred in the history of Islam."
People vary.
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@Polytheist-Witch
An issue with many classifications, definitions, even in science.
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@Polytheist-Witch
@FLRW
I thought it was somewhat interesting,
Though I don't know if it's the 'oldest religious icon to be used with vampires.
Lot of bloodsucker mythology in history,
And what one 'defines as a vampire, bit hazy.
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Personally, I think a number of mythological and fantastic creatures 'do exist in a fashion,
If only as metaphors, symbols,
Vampire is pretty common an expression of a bloodsucking upper class,
Though when I say bloodsucking, I mean of money, liberty, and life.
The jading of money, and a life apart.
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@sadolite
I don't watch TV much,
But I've seen plenty of ads about vaccines on YouTube, Still see them now and then.
This article suggests that they already convinced a number of people, and that the rest might not be worth the ad money, to those who run the ads.
As for a brand war, my guess would be they've profits enough, without infighting,
Many people who get shots, research the shots themselves, their side effects and recommendations.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I assume the,
"Computer says. Correct.Christians loved sacrificing kids. And having sex with them .This shlt will be all in the Google search response "
Is you think flawed information will continue to exist in the future.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I hear what you say lemmings .But .Can yoy see anothe dozen or so popping up after these ones?Like really strong lasting ones. ?
I don't know,
I don't understand the modern condition very well.
Technology/Environment has changed greatly.
Knowledge always 'existed, though not everyone could read it,
In the material world, nature, the stars, leading to conclusions of concepts in math, sociology.
Knowledge 'written, communicated, now exists far more,
The internet, phones,
But is that 'new or the same, I'm unsure.
. . .
I'm also of doubt, of Atheisms strength,
But perhaps this is just my own interpretation,
Born with Nihilism and Egoism.
. . .
Still, people must find a way to live,
We are still social animals,
I think religions, beliefs, systems, and views will continue being created, followed, modified, rediscovered.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
In my opinion,
Yes and no,
Some concepts, are pretty durable,
Or to say, man's condition, remains rough enough the same,
But the way people view situations change,
And situations themselves change,
People sometimes talk from on high, of people's past methods,
But is it because we as 'people are better?
Should our environment regress. . . .
Still, even with an expiration date, milk of 'roughly the same variety,
Is brought anew by the milkman, each week.
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@Lunar108
Religion's beliefs fracture,
As with Atheist beliefs,
Time turns,
People fall,
People rise,
Ethics rearranged anew.
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Though people may 'say, or 'seem to follow script, history, book, and law,
As was written ages past,
So to say, maybe we can't step into the same river twice.
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Sometimes, I think on people in different times and places as aliens,
I've heard of a trope once, called Blue-and-Orange Morality - TV Tropes,
How shall one judge an alien?
If man's a mix of nature and nurture,
Nurture being far enough removed,
Disquiets one's expectations.
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Sometimes, I think on people in different times and places as aliens,
I've heard of a trope once, called Blue-and-Orange Morality - TV Tropes,
How shall one judge an alien?
If man's a mix of nature and nurture,
Nurture being far enough removed,
Disquiets one's expectations.
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Seems to me, that even simply being 'aware of something occurring, lends effect, responsibility, and voice, to the listener.
Though, the 'magnitude of effect, voice and responsibility varies.
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@sadolite
No, I find it interesting, but I've nothing much to say either.
To me, it 'could be an advertisement, but my first impression is a bent altruistic, artistic hobby, looking for inspiration.
I made a bowl, a cup holder, and a chess board box without pieces, in high school, woodshop.
All primitive, but it 'was fun to make items.
Also other items I forget.
Currently, no items I 'need though,
Nor any projects that come to my mind.
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@TheUnderdog
Well, a number of believers in various beliefs 'have forced their beliefs on others.
Whether in religion, science, economy, yada yada.
Even Atheists, have forced their belief unto others, believing it better for them to believe their truth,
As well as other motivations, in doing so, I assume.
Not 'so viable currently, to force 'every belief one has on others, in America currently,
Even one's of Heavens, Hells, or lack of.
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@Vader
Babykilling, vs forced suspicious injection by government.
Is how some conservatives view it, I imagine.
Some conservatives are 'very open to people living their own lives, not being interfered with, so long as they aren't interfering with others.
There's also the issue where a number of individuals are doubtful about the 'need for a vaccine and the danger of Covid.
Bit random article, don't feel a need to click it, bit unrelated.
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