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@drlebronski
A common drift of Trump and a section of his supporters, yes. To claim fake news, when not.
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@drlebronski
If you 'reference a part of the article, I'll find it easier to have my mind changed.
Only part that leaps out at me is,
"In short, journalists are overwhelmingly liberal/Democrats"
There is no liberal media bias in which news stories political journalists choose to cover (nih.gov)
"According to an October 2020 article by The Hill, at least 119 newspaper editorials endorsed Biden, while only 6 endorsed Trump. While being a left-leaning publication does not disqualify a publication from providing objective media coverage, it means that the American media establishment has essentially become an extension of the Biden-Harris campaign. If a media outlet endorses a campaign, then that outlet should not be trusted to report objectively, because it is in its interest to promote the candidate it endorses."
The media 'hated Trump, for obvious reasons, the entire left did, 'always with the Late Night Talk Shows, the hosts, the straight criticism and disdain, and their clear it's not funny, I'm serious about how much of a problem this guy is to me.
also an article about how trump himself manipulates media https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2016/9/26/13061494/trump-media-manipulation - drlebronski
Ah yes, one man, standing alone against the corrupt giant of media conglomerate. . . I'm joking.
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@drlebronski
Well, the media certainly manipulated public perception against Trump, given that they hated him.
'Even if it was justified, the slant existed.
So it seemed to me, in my general viewing of the media.
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@drlebronski
Early iterations, could probably be called a terror group, hence why legislation and effort by government occurred to combat it.
"1 - Individual groups within the organization plan and perform those acts. The overall group in itself does not perform them, and often don't even condone those acts. At the top level the KKK is simply a white pride group, similar to the Black Panthers. The KKK you speak of, is similar to the New Black Panthers.
2 - Al Qaeda, at it's highest level, wanted to attack the United States, and the goal of the entire organization was to perform terrorist acts, or support the acts of terrorism.
There are many groups who have small sections that commit these acts, but the groups themselves are legal because the organization isn't the one performing them. Hell's Angels, MS13, PETA, the Official IRA, the Black Panthers, etc. But just because a few sub-sections of these groups/individual charters commits acts of terrorism doesn't mean the whole organization is a terrorist group and to outlaw them would be to take away their right to peaceful assembly and their right to express their opinion." - ACrusaderA
Modern KKK seems splintered, and shadow of selves former power,
Hear about them protesting now and then, but I don't pay attention.
"It's kind of a broad topic. There is no "the klan". There are tons of splinter klans. And there is some diversity in doctrine. Ours was basically a blanket of fake Christianity with racial overtones. We were dedicated to furthering "White Christian America."" - shamethrowaway77
A gang member might kill someone, but we don't call them terrorists I think.
Terrorist seems vaguely defined,
There are various different definitions of terrorism, with no universal agreement about it.[4][5] Terrorism is a charged term. It is often used with the connotation of something that is "morally wrong". Governments and non-state groups use the term to abuse or denounce opposing groups.[5][6][7][8][9] Varied political organizations have been accused of using terrorism to achieve their objectives. These include right-wing and left-wing political organizations, nationalist groups, religious groups, revolutionaries and ruling governments.[10] Legislation declaring terrorism a crime has been adopted in many states.[11] When terrorism is perpetrated by nation states, it is not considered terrorism by the state conducting it, making legality a largely grey-area issue.[12] There is no consensus as to whether terrorism should be regarded as a war crime.[11][13]
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@drlebronski
Deleted it, as I thought, nah, I know enough about them, for a vague impression of what they've done in the past.
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@K_Michael
My bad, I didn't mean it as explanatory, or dismissive.
Just a passing remark, I wouldn't pay my comment much mind.
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@K_Michael
Eh, common in cultures or religions, to have customs.
Whether behavior, clothing, so on.
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@drlebronski
Truthfully, I'm not sure quite 'what post #51, is saying.
But doesn't matter, if they feel need, they'll elaborate.
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@Theweakeredge
"Denial of Evolution Is a Form of White Supremacy"
It's in the title?
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@Sum1hugme
"The American System also called for a robust program of internal improvements, projects that today we know as infrastructure. Early on, Calhoun like Clay believed that road and canal construction would tie the sections together economically through transportation links that facilitated commerce and encouraged interdependence. Aside from the benefits to the economy, a salubrious result from mutual economic interests would be the blunting of sharp sectional disagreements over slavery. It was the hope that after a time disunion would be too costly for even the most disgruntled sectionalist to consider. Yet Calhoun gradually gravitated to a localism that caviled over having the government using money for projects that benefitted only one section or even a particular state. More than that practical objection, however, his opposition to the practice would inform his most telling insights in political philosophy."
I suppose one could make the argument that people 'are infrastructure, but many people support legal and 'illegal immigration, on the grounds that 'somebody needs to exist who's poor, to do the jobs richer folk won't.
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@drlebronski
Ah yes, the sign up to view, a bane to many sources I 'might have used in arguments.
It's not an argument I'm invested in enough to go find my passwords notebook.
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@drlebronski
I have mixed feelings out taxes in general, also little to no research, on how it is spent.
I don't like taxes, or having pay taxes on land if 'I own it, because it means I don't 'really own it, that I'm beholden to the government.
But I suspect it's 'difficult to be a powerful nation, without a strong central government, Afghanistan is more an exception, because of weird terrain and culture, from what I've read.
Power is needed to defend what privilege's we have, so we give up some.
If people avoided certain words and phrasings, their causes would go much easier with people.
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@drlebronski
"'I didn't put 'anyone into slavery, 'nor keep anyone in slavery." - Lemmingno one said you did your not being punished your tax dollars are just going to something else. - drlebronski
You are 'specifically insinuating 'everyone but the blacks themselves, 'owe the blacks their tax dollars, ought put them on a pedestle, walk about it three times saying I'm sorry, then watch some 12 hour history channel about all the grand African American culture.
You single out 'blacks for lifting, because of 'slavery.
You 'don't single out 'poor people, it's 'black people in your words.
Never mind the conditions in life that led to poor white, Asian, Hispanic, Native Americans to starting behind in monopoly, it's 'specifically the 'black people.
Never mind the Irishman who came with naught but a potato.
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@drlebronski
I don't mind individuals and groups being Paladins, crusading, working soup kitchens,
But unless I voluntarily say yes, I say 'bah, I'll not be voluntold.
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@drlebronski
I'm not defending slavery, I'm asking,
Are modern African Americans better off currently, than the modern day inhabitants of the spot of Earth, their ancestor originally inhabited?
I'm 'attacking, the notion that slavery in the past, harmed the African Americans of today.
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@drlebronski
A country is effected 'by it's territories.
You think if the Natives Americans had not lost their land, they would be as few and poor as they are today?
You think the Mexican governments integrity, it's unity as a country was not effected by the Mexican War, that such left no lasting marks?
That their GDP is not effected by being removed of Texas?
That the 'living do not still exist in the Middle East, cursing the Eagle?
That 'China, was not harmed by the burning of the Summer Palace, or foreigners interfering with it's government, workings?
Help the poor, yes, though any proper society or community, wouldn't need big government to gain power and sink it's claws in.
I am 'against singling out a race to help.
All this constant give the blacks more exposure and money for nothing, gives me, is an irritation of racial viewing the world, myself.
Though fortunately, I like myself far more than vague racial categories I could be said to belong.
Race, race, race, so 'important to some people, such quality they give it, meaning.
When all that needs be done is treat humans as humans.
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@badger
Yes, well, you're drunk, by your own statement.
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@drlebronski
Would modern African Americans be 'wealthier in Africa, had their ancestors stayed?
Never been brought over?
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@badger
I 'am against reparation's, as was the quote of Double_R, looked to me.
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@drlebronski
It has been a work in progress.
'I didn't put 'anyone into slavery, 'nor keep anyone in slavery.
Nor did any of 'my bloody ancestors, so far as I know.
Nor would it be 'vital to me if they did.
BAH! I say, shall we repay Mexico for Texas, the Native Americans for the blasted third of the continent, the Chinese for our escapades there, crawl pon our knees a scrabbling to the middle east apologizing for all our drone strikes, say sorry bout the nukes Japan?
Shall the descendants of the Russian serfs be paid, shall we give way all our money goods and territory to Africa that they don't 'feel bad of their circumstances?
In the words of South Park, shall I apologize to Jessie Jackson?
Nein, not I.
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@badger
I don’t exactly have an economic plan drafted onto my website but this is why I generally support policies aimed an ensuring all Americans have as close to an equal opportunity to be successful as possible. So things like ensuring that schools are equally funded so you don’t have rich kids getting a better education than kids in poor neighborhoods, progressive taxation and estate taxes, finding ways to reduce college admissions… essentially anything that targets the less advantaged aside from just handing them money.The reason I don’t believe in reparations is because it’s the wrong approach. I believe policies targeting the less advantaged in our society the best way to move forward because it will have the effect of uplifting those who are still impacted by our past but will do it in a way that is fair and just to all Americans.In the end I think we all believe mostly the same thing, that our fortunes are and should be the result of our decisions. What I think is largely overlooked by the political right is that the circumstances we are born into has a big impact on our ability to make good decisions. - Double_R
Then badger, are we not in agreement?
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@badger
All of those dead Americans was the 'least we could do?
The ravaged country?
Brother killing brother?
People beaten, starved, inhumanly treated in military prisons?
Number or Ratio
Description
750,000 Total number of deaths from the Civil War 2
504 Deaths per day during the Civil War
2.5% Approximate percentage of the American population that died during the Civil War
7,000,000 Number of Americans lost if 2.5% of the American population died in a war today
Not that 'I maintain the war to be fought for slaveries purpose.
I say state rights.
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@badger
Freeing the slaves 'was, something different.
"If someone says, you whiters are just a bunch of slavers"
It's annoying, hypocritical, and a poor depiction of reality.
Thus a brief history lesson is given.
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@n8nrgmi
Though I might be wrong, I think there's been 'multiple occasions Trump could have been Censured, with the support of 'both parties.
Which would have 'hopefully, driven a wedge between Trump and the Republicans, given Trumps showboating and complaining about anyone's who swims sideways of himself.
The wedge being driven in more and more 'each censure, until to 'finally the Republicans 'abandon the Trump train 'fully, 'despite any losses in supporters.
But Republicans are known for loyalty, political cohesion, ultimatums of 'questionable impeachment, 'difficult.
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@n8nrgmi
It was as many things as there were the reasons and actions taken by the people there.
Though we 'do tend to judge based on main outcomes. Well, 'I do, in any case.
An insurrection, would have gone differently, if there was even 1 competent individual attempting it.
So yes, I imagine the half assed, would be large reason of my interpretation.
It's just the Left attempting to claim that Trump attempted a coup.
Typical over-reach on their part, their hatred of Trump is as transparent as ever.
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@Fruit_Inspector
My takeaways, from what video said,
1. racism is normal
2. White people are incapable of righteous actions on race, and only undo racism, when it benefits them.
3. Anti-Liberal?
4. Knowledge is socially constructed.
1. Everything is racist, I 'suppose. But not necessarily is everything racist 'enough, to matter.
Every time someone has hair color, you might say this effects people of different hair color differently, but who cares.
Everything might as well be sexist, and every other form of discrimination as well.
Or everything is inclusion.
But we don't care about 'everything, and 'every amount.
2. Might as well be 'every race.
I also disagree with thought.
Be as if saying a person is incapable of an unselfish act, if they believed they would ascend/descend to Heaven or Hell, based upon their actions in life.
3.Anti-Liberal? Ah, silence is violence, kind of deal?
4. Knowledge 'is a bit socially constructed, what we have. But it's not 'just that.
True that people of different experiences, tend to have different perspectives.
I've still yet to decide 'what people mean by CRT.
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@Fruit_Inspector
To state that denying evolution is a form of white supremacy, 'is rather silly.
I'm 'still unsure what the definition of CRT, as everyone keeps giving different answers.
I'll admit that certain characteristics in individuals, can cause different action in response to other people.
Tall people are often CEOs I've read.
'Maybe blacks 'are stopped by police more, for no reason 'except their skin color.
Certainly a white kid growing up in the ghetto, seems likely to get popped in the mouth, for using the N word.
Still,
I'm 'pretty sure, Americans are no longer of the position,
That blacks are second class citizens in America.
That women can't vote.
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@Fruit_Inspector
@drlebronski
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Blasted media, calling the capital riot an 'insurrection, again, and again, I find it grating, and a clear attempt of convincing by repetition.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Fair point, though certain laws and policies, 'have existed in history, which we'd call racist. By their explicitly.
Though they are obvious, and 'intentioned to single out groups.
If one defines racism as differences of statistics between groups.
Then I have trouble going along with that as a definition.
It also just becomes a headache, classifying every single human characteristic into groups, are redheads represented equally, blondes, tall people, short people, people with big noses, people with small noses, people with 'this combination of traits, 'that people with 'that combination of traits.
I 'really don't care at a certain point.
And end up finding the fixation upon equal outcome, irritating.
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Though on the other hand, I'm not bothered, if the public schools teacher spends more time with the poor kid, if they know their parents won't help them any in homework.
I 'would be bothered if the school expected me to 'pay more, to help the poor kid.
Though 'voluntarily helping them, would not bother me so.
I'm also bothered by some people's 'focus on race, I wouldn't be so bothered if they just wanted to help the people in society who needed it.
But I'm bothered, they want my money without asking, to do so.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I'm doubtful.
Just seemed an offensive thing to say, but use limited logic and justification for.
But, the statement again,
. . .
Maybe it's the distance we've traveled in 'generations, that matters more, than the distance we've traveled in land.
We've 'all traveled generations, experienced the survival of the fittest in relation to imagination, advanced cognition, or whatever element it was that separates us from our evolutionary forebears, if one goes with the theory of evolution.
If a person believes in evolution, I imagine that variable, more than snow, that's shaped humans 'all.
Though sure, white skin vitamin D, healthy fat Inuits, Sickle cells in people living near malaria, Neanderthal DNA, still all exist.
But again, perhaps it's the 'generations traveled, weeded by the survival of the fittest in relation to imagination, advanced cognition, or whatever element it was that separates us from our evolutionary forebears, if one goes with the theory of evolution.
Rather than land distance traveled.
I've never studied genetics.
Or evolution, I don't know why humans couldn't have evolved on multiple continents at once, or traveled on different continents 'during evolution, or a continent 'before Africa.
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@Fruit_Inspector
How an individual chooses to interpret something, can be the racist element, I'd say.
or instance a racist 'could claim,
"Humans evolved from monkeys into humans, then spread from Africa to the rest of the world, and evolved further, clearly blacks are closer to monkeys than the rest of humans."
If an individual is determined to justify some claim, or perspective.
Words, can be constructed a variety of ways.
Also, no reason creationists couldn't claim the Garden of Eden was in Africa.
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@drlebronski
Should reparations be provided for slavery? - drlebronski
Vague.
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@badger
@Topic
Debating, is just being able to find information, logic, and argue charismatically.
Which is useful in life, as 'many jobs in situations require use of 'finding, logic, and convincing other people.
A person doesn't 'need to be toxic, to be a fine debater.
If one is positive, constructive with others, they need not make enemies, and instead, can find a number of friendly acquaintances.
Bad friends are a danger and a drain,
Average friends are a bother, an entertainment, occasionally a help.
Good friends are a boon, lifesaver, and entertainment.
Though I don't go looking for friends, myself.
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@triangle.128k
Men, who by their will and effort, helped lay the foundation of America.
Who had virtues, as well as sins.
Many who were impressive in their own fields, be it as writers, lawyers, farmers, soldiers, merchants, physicians, so on, so forth.
'Possible relation in Elbridge Gerry - Wikipedia, but I'd have to go history digging.
Founding Fathers, I consider worthy of admiration, respect, emulation.
Though 'again, I say they were 'not 'without their faults, or behaviors I 'don't admire, respect, wish to emulate.
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@drlebronski
Not talking about me, alright, just curious.
I view murder as more 'intentional to kill.
I disagree that the drug question is a 'conspiracy theory, as those need be a bit more in the woods or off kilter, so to speak, in my eyes.
Handwritten notes taken when the Medical Examiner briefed prosecutors on his findings suggest it was very high – but not necessarily fatal.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],” the notes say.
“Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” the notes indicate. “But I am not saying this killed him.”
Drug addicts, depending on drugs used, frequency, number of years have weaker hearts.
I don't 'need to say he had three times the drugs in his system, than an average person could handle.
It's 'enough that he has a history, it's 'more that he had a 'significant amount of drugs in his system at arrest.
The body is a funny thing, mix of tough and delicate.
And an individual with a 'history of drug use, 'under the influence, 'admist a panic attack,
It is not 'shocking, hiss death, 'nor are drugs uninvolved.
The knee didn't help.
He said he couldn't breathe 'before he was put on the ground.
It is common of individuals to weep and cry for their mothers, when apprehended by the police.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think that every slave/human trafficking victim should be freed and compensated by confiscating assets from their captors/traffickers. - Discipulus_Didicit
I'm not sure that's a 'bad proposition, though I'd need to think about it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Well, that 'does make more sense.
Possible it was just a miscommunication, as the topic seems created to speak of Pre Emancipation in the USA, slavery.
So he might have taken your post #25, to be speaking of that, rather than modern slavery/human trafficking.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't see the problem with TheUnderdog's logic, in post #40?
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@Theweakeredge
@drlebronski
Eh, I 'think I'm mostly argued out of the George Floyd, Derek Chauvin, situation.
Said my piece in this thread and others.
. . .
Still, embers when poked, might flare a bit of heat.
Also I suppose I'll mention an article I found interesting, to Theweakeredge.
But first, for you drlebronski.
"People who say it was justified because floyd was criminal dont get the point." - drlebronski
Are you referring to myself, if so, can you quote what I said, that I have more context, of what in particular you mean?
First of all even if he did all those things doesn't mean he deserved to be suffocated slowly for 9 minutes. - drlebronski.
"Jesus: 52 Put your sword back. People who live by the sword die by the sword" - Matthew 26:52, The Voice translation.
Deserved. . . . . . . . . The 'way people 'live, 'results. Not always, but often. Smokers get lung cancer, criminals get into altercations with the law.
I don't mean to say, Floyd was a criminal, he deserved to die, because I don't 'believe that.
I 'do believe, The 'way people 'live. . . 'results.
second of all Derek Chauvin didn't know who Floyd, Didn't know he committed any crime. - drlebronski.
I am not familiar with the fine details,
Were the police told he had paid by a counterfeit bill,
Did the cashier tell the police the 'name George Floyd (Enabling them to look him up in their data banks),
Did they enter his license plate in their data banks,
Did none of the police recognize his build or name as a career criminal and mention it to the others,
Did George Floyd present 'symptoms, of being under the influence of narcotics,
Was George Floyd a giant of a man.
third of all The point is that he was murdered for no reason other than he MIGHT have had a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. - drlebronski.
I disagree that he was murdered. Accidents happen, es- Ah calm down Leaning.
Especially to people with medical conditions, who abuse drugs, and are in the midst of a freakout.
People who try to justify it are inhumane. - drlebronski.
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. . .
I 'really don't care to argue this again, but the embers are stirred.
Why is it that every time something contradicts their views, they suddenly lose all of their self-awareness? - Theweakeredge
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@drlebronski
When I was a kid, my dad would tell us not to put our hands in our pockets, when inside a store, less it look as though we had stolen anything.
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@drlebronski
Honestly, there 'are incidents ,where it's no one's fault but the police.
But I'm hazy on statistics, I just think the video is funny, with a bit of truth.
but what would you expect after decades of police brutality - drlebronski
Vague question, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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United States.
People sometimes complain about not being able to drink, yet being able to join the military.
Really, can join the military as young as 17, drinking age being 21.
I suppose they could simply not allow people to be 'deployed to combat zones, until age 21.
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@drlebronski
Not saying he didn't say that, or even implying he didn't say that, as I don't know. But I 'do like references to sources.
When someone makes a lot of arguments though, individual one's don't seem as bad, percentage wise.
Plus I'd imagine he could be convinced that some of his views are wrong, assuming he's changed his views over time.
I suppose for natural disasters, and localized climate change.
It would be good if government, or preferably a nonprofit organization 'not funded by the government, existed to help people during such trying times. Whether to help them settle back in, rebuild, 'or move, find somewhere to live, or a job.
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Already exists I suppose, but I don't know much about the subject.
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@Marauder
I don't recall Trump ever using compromise, or friendly interactions with the Democrats, during his term.
Though I can agree that Trump did/does have a following.
Maybe, I'm missing interactions of his though.
Something I liked about Abraham Lincoln, was his ability to work 'with his Team of Rivals. Though maybe they being involved together, in Civil War, helped unity.
Part of Trumps charisma 'is his disregard of political correctness, and alienation of the media.
Bit of a glass cannon strategy though, and not even 'much of a cannon. As any mistake is magnified.
Likely you're right about Shapiro though, that he has his 'own form of charisma, appeal.
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