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@sadolite
Oh, trust me, I know where you're coming from. Just replace that "pedophile" you mentioned with a Taliban-look-a-like person and there you have it: an exact replica of a pedophile.
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@FLRW
Funny, Singapore academics have strongly criticized pinker for his careless psychology experiments. My professor arrogantly claimed that academics have moved on from "Pinker's Psychology". Pinker may be a good source for the laymen, but he's as incompetent as every other loony, isolated researcher out there who managed to win money through popularity contests.
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@RationalMadman
I ignored that bit (i.e. Conservative) while I was reading his post. My understanding of both conservatism and sharia is localized to the middle east. For example, in the third world, civil law is usually harsher than sharia. You have greater chances of being slapped with a death sentence for minor drug offences because British colonialists in the past had found out that Sharia Law was too lenient on drug offenses. Drug cases in most muslim countries are always handed to civil courts because sharia courts tend to let drug abuses go. Of course, this sort of stuff isnt true for the current, modern capitalist states in the west.
This is why Singapore, the false "Switzerland" of the East, slaps death sentences for drug offenders and why Sharia courts are overruled by Civil courts in Muslim countries because Muslim tyrants fear that sharia is soft on drug offenders. I think harsh punishments are still apparently popular, especially among Muslims.
Of course, the "stoning adulterers, lgbt" part are often favored by Sharia courts and civil courts tend not to overrule that, for whatever reason.
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@Wylted
I guess I just consider Saudi Arabia a Muslim country, not a conservative one. Muslims when they are in charge of a country kill homos.
Actually, that's not far from the truth. The loud ones are currently getting chased. Generally, non-muslim countries reject extradition requests but yeah, what you say is kind of true. There are countless Muslim court cases in which death penalty is sentenced, but can't be carried out because most foreign countries don't consider religious doctrines as justification for extradition. In recent times, If you actually follow Saudi Arabia media, a portion of the clerics of the two most holy mosques has advocated that the world is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth.
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@TheMorningsStar
I don't think ill be able to answer your OP, but I understood what you mean by race realism. I acknowledge that there are racial differences. I have only one reservation: exceptions to the fact. Sure, lots of people say black people are athletes, but where black people are scarce (especially where I grew up or the city I'm studying in), they generally make better academic peers than local ones. Not to mention, they're also way better writers than most local authors; they're more creative in their language expression. Writing isn't an aggressive or violent profession so I see no reason to accept such weird stereotypes. Then again, I don't live in the west.
On a personal level, I do relate with exceptions. I have more empathy than most women. Sure, men are introspective about their emotions but if you actually study them closely, men can be exceptionally deep in their feelings. Women may hold a monopoly when it comes to feelings and parenthood, but I believe that these stereotypes bear no relation to reality other than, perhaps, a comfortable "social cushion" for people to rest their heads on. Exceptions exist and I see them as a reason to reject race realism.
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Well, since I just remembered something, I might as well use this thread for my own self-gratification. My religious brother is a jerk. He really should spend time with his gold-digger GF. That would mean less time for me to be with him, which is what I've always wanted. I have absolutely no interest after our distant fall-out over apostasy and I will never ever trust him ever again. I wanted to spend as much time away from snitches like him as much as possible and yet, he's still here. What a moron.
I've always lived by one rule whenever he invades me with his presence: "don't give him time".
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@sadolite
They're largely bad. Certain phrases trigger certain memories. For example, all of your posts trigger none, except for the phrase you made in your first post. I never liked memories. But, have at it if you have interesting stuff to tell. No idea why I'm now discussing personality with a user thousands of miles away. Whatever.
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@949havoc
...as relevant in their lives in grade school
Good point. I've always wondered why Im forced to learn Kepler's laws instead of Newton's Opticks or Principia Mathematica as part of my elective. I think Kepler is pretty boring but I guess lecturers have to juggle a topic's relevance to student life.
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I've always despised that phrase. I avoid memories all the time, unless I'm under the influence of depression. Imho, memories are generally bad. Thankfully, none of the posts in this thread had any effect on me. I swear, people near me tend to invite bad memories whenever they mention this phrase. Well, I guess that's another thing to like about DART: it doesn't invite painful memories, even if users try to.
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@Mesmer
They do have that duty but a lot of immigrants simply bring their 3rd world problems into 1st world countries. Also, particularly in wealthier countries, bad immigrants tend to sit on the dole and are a massive drain on the economy, let alone all the social problems they bring.
Well-said. I fully agree.
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@Mesmer
Well, I'm not saying that everyone's attraction should be solely judged in terms of personality. That's not how the world works. People discriminate their preferences along racial lines. IMHO, THIS IS NOT A SOCIAL PROBLEM. Perhaps, I might agree that they are superficial, but that's about the extent of my amateur criticism.
I think there are more important priorities. For example, grief and sadness among divorced couples are often expressed in anger, which escalates violence. Now that is a SOCIAL PROBLEM.
... would be like you marrying a horrendously overweight woman who is 3'10 and 300 lbs. Yes, she's a great cook, an esteemed mechanical engineer and has a love for knowledge, but would you really ignore her physically revolting body for the rest of your life, just because there's "not a reason to follow [the shallowness]?"
Lol. That doesn't sound too bad. Sounds really worth it for the fact that she's smart lulz. I suppose bad hygiene is a red flag.
But if you can hold out against a woman who doesn't have a love for knowledge, but has a smoking hot body with a pleasant personality who is heavily into you, I'd be amazed.
Why not? Can't men refrain from physical attraction once in a while? Unless they're athletes who happened to have athletic wives, I think ideas of love deserve better than just "slamming-genitals". I'm pretty sure the Greeks had their own idea of sex. All things considered, their idea of love also differed from mine.
I understand the need for couples to have problems meshing together with them, all for the sake of prolonging romantic sparks in their married life. I understand the need to prepare for the inevitable "itch" in which the novelty of love dries off. But what I don't understand is why women insist on deriding poorer men as bums and why men insist on deriding fat, unattractive women as bums. Just look at anti-feminists, they're always whining about how fat feminists tend to be. Most of the critics also happen to be men.
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@Mesmer
I know the link is unrelated to the OP, but what are your thoughts on the recent Danish policy against minorities?
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@Mesmer
Oh the OP is purely satire and designed to present all the bad arguments that Progressives make. Don't take is seriously or as my own opinion -- it is designed to be......all this thread is about. Don't take it seriously or you're falling into the trap, too.
Now that I've read your post again, I can see that it's satire. Regardless, I just want to point out that I believe in assimilation, especially when it comes to immigrants. How else can you expect Nigeria to survive other than it heavily favoring its own citizens. Imho, some levels of discrimination against foreigners are acceptable. Nigeria could be an ethnostate and I would still think it's okay. I just think immigrants have a duty to assimilate, or alternatively, they can always return or migrate back to their home countries.
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I think there's a lot of western-educated women staying in Afghanistan. I saw a few tik tok videos about their intention to continue their fight for women's rights. If large numbers of them remain in Afghanistan, I guess the US took in the wrong kind of women.
Apparently, the muslim ulama believes that the Taliban perverted large sections of Sharia Law. So, in essence, the Taliban is not exactly a fundamentalist group. I think they're more extreme than the usual. Good luck trying to wean them off their fundamentalist beliefs.
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Don't know about all of that. I think the more relevant question is: are non-nigerians willing to ASSIMILATE fully in Nigeria?
Further, who really wants to live in Nigeria? Only Nigerians.
Who really wants to live in Indonesia? Only Indonesians.
Conversely, who really wants to live in the US? Everyone.
Who really wants to live in Singapore? Everyone.
IMHO, the answers explain the huge swarm of foreigners in Singapore and the lackluster level of diversity among Nigerians and Indonesians.
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@Mesmer
Well, you're wrong about me being uncomfortable. It's just that I think I've overstayed my welcome. From now onwards, my new responses will be selective, not because I don't appreciate where this conversation is going, but i'd rather leave this as a good memory, rather than one that involves endless back-and-forth. I hated chain emails when I was a freshman.
It's not about fetishes, either. It's about some races being objectively more desirable than others. But that's an uncomfortable conversation to have and so if you don't want to talk about it, then fine.
Don't really care, tbh. I care more for the fact that people should be allowed to discriminate who they like. Here's an example where Caucasian sperms are most desired in Brazil:
This is pretty predictable. Even the rich Asian Indonesians, Singaporeans and whatever asian filth had Caucasian spouses and they had them for a reason; it's all similar to Brazil. Whites are mostly desired. There is a saying among buginese that no white man/woman will ever be homeless; that's because they're all married to rich Asians.
People marry poor people with looks a lot imo...anecdotally, the inverse...he's 20 (a boytoy).
Lol. I think that anecdote was hilarious.
Well, people are generally irrational when it comes to love. This isn't the best way to live life; if I'm marrying a retail worker, my kids will be dumb and will never read books. That is a fact I will never accept. I'm not going to marry bums.
Love should be without impressions" is just nonsense that doesn't even attempt to see the reality. People won't give others the time of day if they're not physically attractive enough -- that is easily the most important impression and to ignore it is wildly incorrect. After that, generally, men will eventually stop seeing women if their attitude is crap/bitchy (or if he's a degenerate player), regardless of how hot she is. Generally, women will eventually stop seeing men if there isn't enough money (or in rare cases attempt to sperm-jack him if he's that hot, and then cuck another man). When the initial buzz of "love" lessens, people's personalities, status and money start to get measured, but until that buzz dies, people absolutely will Halo Effect all kinds of positive traits onto their partners, even if those traits do not exist.
I'm seeing how arbitrary logic is when deciding on who to love. I just did mine: I'm not marrying bums without book addictions. I think they're bums for a reason. So, I'm understanding that people have a reason, and they're widespread. However, foreknowledge of expected wide-spread predictions isn't a good enough reason for me to follow it. I think it's not nonsense when love is found against the odds. Cohabitation is a new thing among couples, should I follow that and cohabit with my Chinese gf because everyone's doing it? No. It's an unavoidable fact that people are shallow, but IMHO, it's not a reason to follow it.
Well, in the same manner that people choose looks/money, true love doesn't hold among philosophers; it allows abusers more time to harass their partners. Again, that doesn't mean I have to follow them. These are factors beyond my control, but where I have control over things, I will exert control. The things that I can control includes avoiding any of the pitfalls people fall into. The only logic-based decision I made in relationships is avoiding bums with no real love for knowledge.
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@Mesmer
...but that isn't the same as saying the possibilities are infinite. Rather, it's just the human experience being too limited (at the moment) to understand everything. There's a finite amount of chemicals and possible chemical interactions that can happen, even if that number is beyond human comprehension.
Fair enough. Ive read Hume's theory of Probability, but I have just been informed by scholars that Hume did not adequately read Newtonian Physics. I thought I was onto something very grand in Humean probability but unfortunately, I wasted my time. I despise Hume for not reading enough. I think my level of mathematical comprehension is about the same as Hume: it's pre-Newton. I'm afraid I don't possess much insights in that area. Whatever, Ill read Newton some other day but probability is pretty boring.
It's a bit hard to find data specifically on only Western countries, but dating apps have provided plenty of data based on race, albeit some of the data is old...
Huh, I think that your sources mentioned that there are social problems with race preferences. I disagree with her statement but that's another topic for another time. I do believe people are free to like what they see. Fetishizing men/women on race is not a problem imho.
As for your comment about Indonesia, I don't know Indonesia very well, so I don't think I can comment.
Buginese women tend to criticize and whine about my habits. In other words, they criticize my way of life. For example, if I read a lot, they tend to whine about how I should go outside. In contrast, Chinese women are materialistic, so they're more concerned with making complaints about why I'm not making enough money. I don't mind complaints (people have to socialize) but I highly prefer chinese women over malay women. Their complaints are free of personal attacks, unlike malay women. The same applies to the opposite sex, Chinese men are most desirable to the average malay women. Of course, this is my logical way of approaching attraction.
As for males rating attraction in terms of solely looks, yes that's stupid, but looks are by far the most important factor in terms of dating/marriage. As for women being gold diggers, I'm not sure there are many people who will defend gold diggers lol. Gold diggers are purely exploitative and men have to be very desperate/lonely to have anything to do with them.
Well, I think this is a consequence of seeing love in a very logical way. I can't glean your whole perspective, but I do want to take this opportunity that romantic relationships seen in this manner are completely stupid. Love's not meant to be logical.
For example,
People marrying bums with no money but have the looks? That's idiotic imho.
I think the catchy phrase among dreamers that "love should be without impressions" is a better idea. Sure, it's a panaceas for the young, but I don't care. I don't think logically like gold-diggers reasoning why they chose a sociopath millionaire or how men reasoning how their pretty retail-worker spouses turned out to be a Hume Scholar. Lol, those are some silly u-turns. Amazing how abritrary reason can be.
My opinion.
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@RationalMadman
I read an article by Theakston. It was pretty interesting. If memory serves me right, the Bank of England's Nationalization was widely supported by Churchill. Churchill tried to convince the public by framing (especially in his time as 1945 Leader of the Opposition) Labour programmes as thoroughly his own war-time government achievements. He was lackluster in areas of party management, especially in coordinating opposition to Atlee's socialist policies. Despite having a superb line-up of shadow ministers, Churchill did not adequately use them to construct an alternative to Atlee's proposals. When finally confronted with his more capable front-bench shadow ministers on his policy stances, Churchill said that he preferred to oppose Atlee's policies without mentioning any of the Conservative policies. The job of the opposition, according to Churchill, is to oppose rather than to make policy. That didn't stop him from using popular post-ww2 labour programmes as his own though.
Doubt this is the same as the US. British politicians are more flexible imho. Boris is far more likely to implement left-wing policies especially if the situation demands it. He doesn't strike me as a person loyal to the conservative cause.
Doubt this is the same as the US. British politicians are more flexible imho. Boris is far more likely to implement left-wing policies especially if the situation demands it. He doesn't strike me as a person loyal to the conservative cause.
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He offered to help me a while back, while I was slightly in trouble, even though I didn't mentioned any of my problems online. I think that's a very rare thing to do and I think he's a kind person. I hope life's treating him well.
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@TheUnderdog
Look at my most recent video link. That should give you a clue. It's a meme.
In all seriousness, I don't know much about sigmas. I read a post about wylted bragging about how Sigma Biden was and I went into my usual internet over-indulgence of memes.
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@Intelligence_06
Well, Buddha was a lone wolf. For Underdog, I don't think he resembles anything like the Buddha. I'd like to think that the mere fact that he's surrounded by beta liberals and beta conservatives positions him as a polar opposite to any Eastern Philosophy.
Here is a more apt example illustrating who TheUnderdog truly is (especially when he's surrounded by betas):
At least, that's how I see him whenever he makes these kinds of threads.
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@TheUnderdog
I believe that's called a sigma.
You live outside of the normal hierarchy. Now all you need to do is be rich.
Source: https://youtu.be/um8HNYcsTr8
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@drlebronski
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This is going to sound off-topic, but what do you mean by this? I've seen these drawings twice now, all by different users. Are they some sort of a culture thing restricted to DART?
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@Mesmer
The genes involved in religiosity are kinda at odds with reproductive genes, so they seemed to have developed some nuance. People are still picking partners based on similarity, but too much similarity in certain areas is a turn-off. Evolution wouldn't have selected for people...the nuanced view is that whilst people generally go for people who have similar DNA to them they'll go for people who have *different* immune systems and other different things that prevent health issues......The nuance should be explained above. People are generally picking others who are genetically similar to them, they just won't do so for facets like immune systems. The Catholic Church reinforced this good idea.Genes matter: People marry mates with similar DNA but different immune systems | Genetic Literacy Project
I think the nuance you mentioned seemed to have a positive effect on western society as a whole. I could only think of one problem: wasn't there a royal family in the west who loved inbreeding? I'm not a big fan of monarch type governments so I don't know much but I believe this is a counter-example. Regardless, I think people are susceptible to manipulation. I'd grant that they would marry according to similarities with exceptions given to certain factors. And, whenever there are counter-examples in the form of personality opposites, I'd like to think that although they do attract each other because of their polarizing differences, I predict that these couples will inevitably end in divorces. Additionally, it makes sense that people marry with as much similarities as possible, so long as their immune systems do not end up disadvantaging them.
I'm not sure that the possibilities of language and experience are infinite. There's plenty of them, but I'd say they're finite...
Milton wrote that the Angel Gabriel had to delineate the ideas of heaven and hell according to human experiences. In other words, it's impossible for humans to fully understand what it means for Satan to rebel because human capability is limited. I'm not talking about realms beyond experience.
I'm talking about realms within experience. Largely, they're predictable but the amount of randomness would still make it infinite. Aristotle believed that slavery was a permanent part of human nature, because every nation neighboring with greece used slavery. To date, I think nobody believes in slavery anymore unless the person is an anonymous troll in the internet. Unique experiences exist and I believe that these unique experiences make experiences infinite. My honest opinion.
I've never encountered the notion that Indonesians prefer...
Well, I don't believe my whole reply to this point would be particularly useful but I'll write my honest opinion anyway. I believe there is a hierarchy of attraction. Western countries with plenty of diversity would still prefer caucasian partners in most cases. Im just throwing darts at a board because I don't really know; I'm just speculating. I feel like I've exhausted all of my insights, but at least, even though my particular point on attraction may sound dumb, at least I wrote it as honest as I can make it.
For indonesians, we don't see caucasians often, unless you're the son of a rich general. So largely, normal Indonesians settle for the next best thing: the Chinese.
Personally, I think males rating attraction solely in terms of looks are equally stupid as female gold diggers. I mean, girls should really stop conflating wealth with personality and guys should really stop conflating looks with personality. My opinion.
Maybe those particular examples are context dependent, but these people will still pick these context-dependent partners based on similarity, sexual attractiveness etc.
I think this is a fascinating sentence. I had wondered how to make a good sentence that summarizes all of my ideas but I guess yours would do fine.
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@RationalMadman
Indeed. I watched a couple of old documentaries and I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of support for Ghani's government, in spite of its widespread corruption. Most of the support came from women, which is pretty obvious. I'm assuming the reason is that once you've tasted freedom, you can never want sharia back. I think it was only in 2019-2020 that Ghani came under fire for allowing conservative members to debate dress codes. He also had a tendency to turn a blind eye towards drugs and corruption. I'm still not sure how the Taliban won against approximately 17,000 US-trained Afghan commandos. It seems impossible for the Taliban to defeat all of them in a single week. The Taliban had no armored divisions, it should've followed that the Commandos would beat Taliban in any hand-to-hand combat. I don't understand how Afghan collapsed in under a week.
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@StevenCrowder
Some USSR satellite countries prospered under communism. You have to be more specific than that.
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@Lemming
No significant organizations that I know of, exist in America, that insist upon purity of religion or race.
Well-stated.i think that's an admirable principle to hold, not that I'm saying that I've changed my views about this.
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@Lemming
Well, generally, people do assimilate. I think the question is whether they're willing to renounce barbaric beliefs in favor of secular values that permeate Europe/US. To date, Islam hasn't reform itself into anything substantial. Attempts to reform said religion by the think tanks of the west are regularly looked at by the ulama who regularly publishes various opinions read by most of the muslim public. I don't know about the US but you can ask around if the muslims in your area read any of the muslim scholars. Muslim scholars are unanimous in their fundamentalist voice, so sticking to the general "Have you read any of the Ulama" suffices. I still think there is a calculated risk when a country deals with any muslim. Are you willing to let them convene their behind closed-doors attacks on democracy? Perhaps not, after all, they're only doing it in private. Ethnic lines are irrelevant. I often conflate whites/blacks as of the same cloth, but that's me. It's not a valid criteria because people can trace their genetic trees to various races.
The responsibility of housing refugees, in so far as they are allies, remains a moral obligation subjected to degrees of religiousity. If they're religious about Islam, perhaps you can send them to Saudi Arabia. The monarch is often trusted as a valid substitute to the caliphate; democracy isn't trusted as a valid substitute. I know this sounds dishonorable, but I'm just giving you my opinion.
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@zedvictor4
Lol, okay well, i suppose that's one way of looking at it. It's a good joke, and a good life advice especially for long-term planners.
As to your qeuestion, i'm not a big fan of any organized religion. The Upanishads had good metaphysics, but again, I never really liked organized religion. Just look at how Hindus treat minorities, that should give you a clue. I've done a bit of a spat with some dart user a while back and I remember that I took the side of secularization. Any country with elements of secularization is always preferable than a religious dustbin with elements of religiousity imho.
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@Lemming
I think the US should refuse extended kin and that only the interpreters (if they are really westernized) and their spouses (alongside their children) should be allowed entry. The main criteria for admission should be outrageously high, such as being a christian or having spouses that are fully westernized.
The thing with Ilhan Omar is that she could turn fundamentalist at any time. That's the problem with muslims. They could turn moderate but because of the lack of worldwide Ulama support (slim to none) for the moderate faction, they could turn fundamentalist in a single day.
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@thett3
I fully agree. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Iraq should bear the responsibility of housing them. India's already taking steps to house Afghan Sikhs. I'm not a big fan of the Sikhs, but India's doing a fantastic job of managing the crisis.
I'm well-aware that more than 3/4 of muslims in the US are college graduates. They're generally smarter than most other muslims, but suspicion should be applied nonetheless. If they support sharia law in handling family matters, even in the smallest problems, then the US has a problem.
I'm well-aware that more than 3/4 of muslims in the US are college graduates. They're generally smarter than most other muslims, but suspicion should be applied nonetheless. If they support sharia law in handling family matters, even in the smallest problems, then the US has a problem.
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@Sum1hugme
You're proposing a compromise between fundamentalists and westernized Afghans. I think the fundamentalists believes less in democracy, with only a fraction of the conservative Ulama considering democracy a valid substitute for the caliphate. To be honest, this sounds good on paper but the Taliban will just consider the northern alliance as satanic. The majority of muslims, if given the chance, will revive the caliphate over the preservation of democracy. This belief is even more pronounced in islamist factions. I'd be more open to your proposal if the Taliban had no extremist backgrounds.
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@3RU7AL
Are you talking about the difference between authoritarian and authoritative parenting? Is that what totalitarian and communist mean? I don't understand the question, please rephrase.
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@Wylted
If I was the afghan president, I would have just acted ethically, so nobody would be tempted to overthrow me.
Not me. I would siphon money from the state's finances with the sole purpose of ensuring that I live a very comfortable life in exile. I'll do it without any sense of regret. I think the lure of financial stability is too great, especially when global warming threatens the world into extinction.
That's probably why I'm not in any leadership position in any of my student clubs. Well, okay I suppose that's understandable.
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@Mesmer
I managed to read your referenced ideas and Data WordPress.
As I understand it, the Catholic church had been discouraging cousin marriages since medieval times. I observed that the blog makes a claim that IQs are generally higher in Catholics due to the 92% reduction in cousin marriages. I agree that Islam's support for cousin marriages inevitably lowers the IQ of Arabs as seen through the "gaps"(whatever they may be) in the studies. Im still confused, the blog makes a big deal of people preferring extended kin, but then references the Catholic church's longstanding crusade against marriages between relatives. Relatives are similar; if the claim is that people prefer similar values, then it would follow that they'd still marry their relatives in spite of the Church's directive.
I'm guessing for the Catholic church, genetic dispositions matter little in the grand scheme of things. After all, they're told to avoid 4th cousins. I think the argument that we prefer similarities seems to shift from the naturalistic claim that instead of marrying genetically similar individuals, people will be more predisposed to context-dependent cues. I think the latter is more sensible than the former.
The possibilities of language are infinite. The possibilities of experience are infinite. It thus follows that people marry not according to similarities, but rather their collected perception of their spouses at any given time. I mean, cosmetically, people rank races and consider some race more attractive than others. For example, Indonesians consider Chinese to be more attractive than their own Buginese counterparts. I maintain that these are context dependent. I'm pretty sure the Arabs have their own context-dependent preferences that exempts Yellow,Black and White people.
As I understand it, the Catholic church had been discouraging cousin marriages since medieval times. I observed that the blog makes a claim that IQs are generally higher in Catholics due to the 92% reduction in cousin marriages. I agree that Islam's support for cousin marriages inevitably lowers the IQ of Arabs as seen through the "gaps"(whatever they may be) in the studies. Im still confused, the blog makes a big deal of people preferring extended kin, but then references the Catholic church's longstanding crusade against marriages between relatives. Relatives are similar; if the claim is that people prefer similar values, then it would follow that they'd still marry their relatives in spite of the Church's directive.
I'm guessing for the Catholic church, genetic dispositions matter little in the grand scheme of things. After all, they're told to avoid 4th cousins. I think the argument that we prefer similarities seems to shift from the naturalistic claim that instead of marrying genetically similar individuals, people will be more predisposed to context-dependent cues. I think the latter is more sensible than the former.
The possibilities of language are infinite. The possibilities of experience are infinite. It thus follows that people marry not according to similarities, but rather their collected perception of their spouses at any given time. I mean, cosmetically, people rank races and consider some race more attractive than others. For example, Indonesians consider Chinese to be more attractive than their own Buginese counterparts. I maintain that these are context dependent. I'm pretty sure the Arabs have their own context-dependent preferences that exempts Yellow,Black and White people.
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@n8nrgmi
It's about 14 billion for minimal military presence. I'd still consider that a lot, imo.
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@Wylted
Ah, okay. I'll try to approach this without any apostate bias. You can always ask a local imam. I'd avoid Baathist/Ahmadiyya because they are fairly westernized.
Well, Jesus (Isa) is a major prophet in Islam. For instance, he'll actually descend from heaven to smite Satan's serpent in the end of times. He's also responsible for miracles, up until the point of crucifixion in which muslims argue that he did not die, but rather he ascended to heaven to meet Allah. The other Jesus that died for your sins was not the actual Jesus.
Anyway, Muhammad won't be there in the end of times. He passed away. So the responsibility of ultimately destroying Satan and his serpent lies with the only living prophet left: Jesus (Isa).
In other words, Jesus is important insofar as he will serve Allah's purpose in judgement day, but not so much in daily worships because Muslims are told to regularly practice the worship of Allah only in accordance with the ways of Prophet Muhammad.
For example, you'll never see a muslim praising David, Jesus, Jacob or even Ishmael but you will see a muslim regularly praising Muhammad.
Tl;Dr Jesus is alive but his teachings are permanently replaced by Muhammad.
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@Wylted
I think It's not going to be any different from any Islamic state. Unless they're secretly Baathist/Ahmadiyya, what I think that will happen is that the Afghans will turn their countries like Pakistan/Saudi Arabia, with similar laws of stoning and amputation.
Ulamas are predicting that Allah will grant them an oil field if they do turn Islamic, so there's also that.
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@Wylted
Are you implying that you're reluctant to fully embrace it? Why do you say "almost"?
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Well, Sharia allows forgiveness, even if you've apostatized. I think it shouldn't be surprising to any observer out there about the Taliban's grant of amnesty. Now, if the women were to persist in their stubbornness after the fact, well that's the part I'm interested in.
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@oromagi
...i am asserting that Afghans were objectively more free under NATO influence than Talaban and so, liberation from foreign oppression is less accurate than subjugation to a new foreign oppressor.
Well-said. There were a couple of music artists blooming in Afghanistan. I don't think there's going to be much left when the Taliban starts perverting education in favor of religious fanaticism. Plus, Kabul had a vibrant Sikh and Hindu population. I'm not a fan of them, but I think those certainly won't last long in a Taliban state.
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Civil unions are actually the best option for runaway apostates. I've asked old apostates and they seem very happy with civil unions. I won't generalize that this is the best option for other groups tho.
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@RationalMadman
I recently saw Biden's justification for leaving Afghanistan and I think Biden is right, counter-terrorism has evolved and there is no need to maintain an expensive permanent military presence. I think using the US as a scapegoat is a lazy way of overlooking crucial facts. The Taliban is a fundamentalist islamist group and they have more reason to hate the US than anyone. I'm not surprised that Pakistan shares some of these values, I think cheap jihadists are easier to maintain and control. All Pakistan has to do is one: point fingers at Israel and the West.
I think it's more likely that Afghanistan will turn into a religious dustbin despite their secular backgrounds. Most Muslim countries with secular backgrounds do tend to turn into an Islamic state. Afghanistan will just be another poorer Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm never going to the middle east, ever.
I think it's more likely that Afghanistan will turn into a religious dustbin despite their secular backgrounds. Most Muslim countries with secular backgrounds do tend to turn into an Islamic state. Afghanistan will just be another poorer Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm never going to the middle east, ever.
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@zedvictor4
I think that's about as bad as the status quo. I think there are Russian mercenaries operating in libya. I wouldnt be surprised if Wagner starts employing some of them to start settling in Afghanistan. Regional warlords do need mercenaries in their battle for control. Perhaps these military groups will be a permanent thing in the middle east. After all, there are only wars in the middle east.
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@Lemming
They do taste great. Perhaps I should get some now that I've read this.
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@FLRW
Doesn't God want you to get vaccinated? He killed more than 500 Catholic priests and nuns who have died from COVID-19 in India to make an example that prayer doesn't work.
Ok lol. I'm not proud of laughing at this but whatever.
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@zedvictor4
The Afghans will typically resort to corruption, but with the Taliban's tight hold on Islam, Afghanistan will soon turn into another Islamic state. I think the question is how US-educated Afghan's women's rights activists will survive such a barbaric reversion. IMHO, from the interviews I saw, they're too loyal. Afghanistan can't be saved. They should leave and search for a western country that share their values.
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