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@WaterPhoenix
that's kinda borderline.... instead of swapping out words just read it and then sum it up
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@bsh1
We should also look into the possibility that one scum is WaterPhoenix, and the other is an inactive that couldn't tell WaterPhoenix to NK someone else.
This provides a scenario in which:
1. The killing of Disc makes sense (because we have a noob scum without his teammate)
2. Bsh1 could be town(which would make sense given that it is possible that NKing Disc would hurt his chances if he were scum)
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VTL WaterPhoenix
We should also look into the possibility that one scum is WaterPhoenix, and the other is an inactive that couldn't tell WaterPhoenix to NK someone else.
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MOST SCUMMY
WaterPhoenix
bsh1
Club
Greyparrot
Wylted
SupaDudz
warren42
oromagi
LEAST SCUMMY
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@Club
Didn't you read the OP? The cop was killed in the night.
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@Alec
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@bsh1
That doesn't make sense either. If I were scum, why would I NK the player I spent the better part of a DP constructing a mislynch on? If anything, I would have deprived myself of a readymade target and would have wasted a ton of effort with that NK. So, no, I don't think it makes sense to say that both of the lynchwagon targets had to be scum. That's why I am finding this move by mafia so truly bizarre.
Your point is actually pretty fair.
On the other hand, if you anticipated you might be lynched this DP, you may kill off Disc to make yourself look town.
On the other other hand, scum could be nooby, which again points to WaterPhoenix.
TBH, I have my suspicions on you and your fair point may have saved you this DP, as it did take away some of my suspicions.
I think WaterPhoenix is more likely to be scum than you are. Plus, in lynching WaterPhoenix, we get to test my role thory about Valg & co. vs. Fae & co.
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@bsh1
A shapeshifter, but also a loyal subject of the Valg King. My links to the valg king would make me town if valg are town. And valg are definitiely town since disc, the valg queen, was town.
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In post #11 of this DP, bsh1 says: "It feels odd that mafia would kill either of the two lynchwagon targets last DP (myself and Disc), because arguably they would have been the best mislynch opportunities. "
And he's right. Any scum that isn't disc or bsh1 would have two easy mislynches.
This means that since one of them is dead, scum can't be outside of disc and bsh1, unless scum is nooby.
If scum is not noob, than bsh1 is the mafia since scum would be between him and disc and disc is already confirmed town, making bsh1 scum by PoE.
If scum is noob, than it points directly to WaterPhoenix, given that everyone else has experience.
We have one scenario that points to WaterPhoenix, and one that points to Bsh1.
Scum is between them or both of them.
So who do we lynch?
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meanwhile, WaterPhoenix claimed a half-fae character and a rebel against the valgs in Post #52
In addition, his role PM paraphrase describes a character that manipulates information. That does not sound like town to me.
My guess is that he paraphrased his actual PM and than changed his role to vanilla. That sounds like noob scum to me.
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In post #27 of DP1 Oromagia asks WaterPhoenix "which valg are you"? implying that he knew valg were town. This implies that he got valg in his role PM and was a townie.
As such, were can put oromagi firmly in the town pile.
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It feels odd that mafia would kill either of the two lynchwagon targets last DP (myself and Disc), because arguably they would have been the best mislynch opportunities.
Scum must one of those two lynchwagon targets.
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@Alec
That's not what "f in the chat" means.I don't want sex, not even when I'm married.
That's bread and sauce. When I at pizza, it has dairy free cheese.
I had no idea dairy-free cheese was even a thing.
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@n8nrgmi
i disagree. even if trump was right that they came from shit holes doesnt mean it's safe to assume it based on their skin color. it's still a racist thing to do....
You don't even know that he was assuming that and based off that assumption you call him racist.
He knew that Omar was from Somalia, so why wouldn't he know about the others?
there was no reason to link them with their home countries other than race.
How about the fact that they were all in immigrant families?
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@mustardness
I'm simply just asking if you believe in self defense.
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@Ramshutu
He put in the minimal effort it takes to beat type1, why not just let him have his small reward?
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@n8nrgmi
Doesn't matter. All that matters it that he told a white person to screw off back to where he came from, which shows that he is an equal opportunity belligerent.what the british ambassador born in the usa?
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@n8nrgmi
He was factually correct, and treatment based on facts is not unfair.how do you know that trump knew the country of origin of each of them? that seems far fetched. just because you could know the info doesn't mean you would,
why doesn't trump say those sorts of things to white people from shitty countries?
BRITISH> AMBASSADOR> AND> TED> CRUZ>
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@Ramshutu
He should get some reward... a minimal reward equal to the amount of effort it takes to beat type1.
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how can you think it's fair to just take a group of colored skinned people
It's not "colored skin people" it's just "people who advocate the same ideology that destroyed their countries".
and tell them to go home if you disagree with them
Telling them to go home is not the same as saying "try them out over there first, and then come back."
when you know nothing about their country of origin
Trump did know about their country of origin; the information is out there.
when he doesn't do the same to whites?
British. Ambassador. (And also Ted Cruz).
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@n8nrgmi
why doesn't he tell white people to go to their ancesteral country and try their ideas out?
Actually he told that to a British ambassador.
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@Ramshutu
Again - one or two - I’d have no issue with - but 9 is a clear abuse of lax moderation with the intent to exploit the lack of moderation to jump the leaderboard.
That's moderation's fault, not the person who accepted the debates.
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@n8nrgmi
My heritage is German, you could tell me to take my ideas back to Germany first (assuming that my ideas were the ones that destroyed Germany in the first place) and try them out and I wouldn't be offended.
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non white countries suck?
There are nonwhite countries that are pretty well off. South Africa isn't bad, Japan isn't bad... Likewise there are white countries that suck, like Russia. I judge each country individually.
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@n8nrgmi
I think it's fair to tell anyone regardless of race or ethnicity, to try out their ideas somewhere else first.
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@mustardness
Why a man and not a more generalized person?
Doesn't really matter, I just said "man" because statistically men are more likely to attack someone than women are.
Attacking with words, stones, knifes, bullets, atomic bomb?
A) You are the killer's only target
B) He is attacking you with a physical object and is able to kill you with it
Are their innocent people in the area?
No.
What are the weapon options ---lethal and non-lethal-- available to me in this scenario?
Anything that can be used to kill.
Am I asleep, at breakfast, driving in my car attempting to escape someone else who appears to be chasing me?
Doesn't matter. All that matters is that he is trying to kill you and will do so if you don't kill him first.
Are their places to hide options available to me?
No.
What are the circumstances for this person to be attacking me in the first place?
Doesn't matter. All that matters is that he is trying to kill you and will do so if you don't kill him first.
Do I have a cell phone to call emergency number?
You could, but it's irrelevant since this is a kill-or-be-killed scenario.
Is this person smaller or larger than me?
This person is capable of killing you.
Does this person appear to be mental crazed or just pissed off me for cause said something inappropriate?
You are innocent.
Do I think I can out run this person on foot or in my vehicle?
No.
It comes down to this: You either kill the guy attempting to kill you, or the he kills you.
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@n8nrgmi
i assume there's no evidence that the women came from specifically bad countries, other than the fact they are black
But there is. all you have to do is some quick research and you can find the origin of someone's ancestry
or, is it fair to tell any african american who was born here to go back to their shit hole ancesteral country if you disagree with them?
You have to understand the context. He not just saying "I disagree with you, go back to where you came from", he's asking "if the system is so great why don't you go back to your country origin and test it out there and then come back and show us how it's done?", which really boils down to, "I don't want the USA to become the next lab rat for the socialist experiment, take it to a country that has nothing to lose, and then come back once you're done".
The fact that he invites them back afterwords is key in recognizing that the statement isn't racist.
But why choose their country of origin and not some other country?
Because by using their country of origin he is reminding them of their own history, hoping that some common sense would spark in them and that they would recognize that by being socialists, they spit on all of the dreams of freedom that their parents/grandparents had.
It's called emotional appeal and using it in this manner is not racist.
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@Ramshutu
We have a system in place that should take care of your concerns. The elo system.
Users like type1 lose so much elo by being terrible at debating/trolling/spamming that beating them becomes basically worthless and not much is to be gained from it. Users who are good at debating rise in elo and beating them gains you more elo. In this way, it motivates people to go after bigger debates.
People can still take those debates if they want, it just isn't going to be very significant. Besides, it's first come first serve and RM can accept those debates if he wants to.
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@n8nrgmi
He can't say that to native born Americans their ancestors had no corrupt government to flee from in the first place. His whole argument can be summed up in one sentence.
"why are you advocating the same ideology that destroyed your countries of origin?"
He can't make that argument if an individual is from a country that wasn't destroyed.
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@n8nrgmi
trump singling people out based on their skin color
He's not singling them out because their skin color. He did the same thing to Ted Cruz for pete's sake. If it really was about skin color, he would've never said the same thing to a white man like Cruz. He singled them out based on the merit of their ideology.
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Let's analyze Trump's quote.
"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)..."
Trump is saying that these women originated from destitute countries, which is mostly true. Ilhan Omar came directly from Somalia. Rashida Tlaib's parents were from Palestine. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's father was born to a Puerto Rican family, and her mother was born in Puerto Rico.
"now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run..."
Trump is saying that these women a calling for a major change in how our government operates, with is completely true. AOC is an open socialist and the other two endorse her Green New Deal.
"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came...."
Trump is saying that if their ideas are so great, why don't they return to the places their parents fled from and try their system there, since the same systems they advocate now ruined their countries of origin.
Trump is challenging them to try the same ideas that ruined those countries on those countries again and see if it fixes the problem caused by their system in the first place.
None of that had anything to do with race. It was all based on the simple idea that the progressive democrats are proclaiming the same system that hurt their parents.
"Then come back and show us how it is done."
Trump is saying that if they are successful and somehow manage to fix their countries of origin with the same systems that broke them in the first place, they should return to America and install their system.
If he were truly being racist, he would told them to stay there. Instead, he told them to come back after their done with those countries.
This is also not based on race. It's based on merit.
"These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough."
Trump is reiterating how bad their ideology ruined those countries.
"I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"
Trump is referencing their recent clash with Nancy Pelosi.
To conclude, none of that was racist.
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ILikePie5 (Throne of Glass Mafia)
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Waren42
DD (Open Setup Bastard Mafia, 9 players)
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Mharman (Pizza Mafia)
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It's the same game he messed up, so technically he's not jumping the line.I don't know if there's anyone explicitly in charge of the queue, but if so, why is Supa back in the "Next" section? He messed his game up twice, once out of sheer laziness. I feel that there's no reason he should be jumping the line as a result.
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