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@triangle.128k
Capitalism works because the hardest workers rise to the top and the one make the poor choices sink to the bottom, then ensuring success for those who earn it.
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Sure, people can be jerks. But they have a right to do so.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I've never seen anything race-based out of him. I've seen the following logic out of him:
- X place has a lot of poverty and stuff.
- We should make it part of America to help them.
- We will conquer other continents if we have to.
Notice the difference between his suggestion to take over Africa and his suggestion to get rid of Native American Reservations. HIs suggestion to remove Reservations doesn't include Step 3, whereas his suggestion to take over Africa includes Step 3. It is Step 3 I have a problem with because of the consequences of Step 3: The Africans would be forced to join America.
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@Greyparrot
Removing the reservations doesn't mean forcing them to give up their culture. Neither does the movement of businesses into the region. If they want to do whatever it is they do as a tribe, they can do it.
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@3RU7AL
You seem to think that any law made would follow in the footsteps of other laws. That is not the case. All it means is that if she was unknowing of her pregnancy, she would be innocent. That's the law I would write up.
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@3RU7AL
1. Citizenship shall not be given until birth, legal protection is to be given from conception. If a woman did not know she was pregnant and drank, she would not be in violation of the law.
2. My point is that sperm and eggs are not beings. None of what you said changes my point.
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@3RU7AL
I can get on board with making it illegal for pregnant women to drink.
Every single cell in the human body has a full genome. Except for egg and sperm. Each contributes half of the genetic code.
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@Alec
Reservations are technically part of the USA; they're just government territory.
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@TheHammer
Helping Native Americans lift themselves out of poverty by giving them job opportunities?
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@3RU7AL
It has everything to do with the morality of abortion. (IFF) "life begins at conception" (THEN) make it official.
Fair enough. You wouldn't need a certificate for that though.
So, the question isn't so much "is an embryo alive" but rather, "is an embryo an independent organism".
Specifically, is it part of another organism? And also, does it have a complete genome?
It can only be considered an independent organism of the answer is a no to the first question and a yes to the second.
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I'm not sure what you did was wrong unless you specifically claimed to be the person in your profile pic.
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@3RU7AL
It follows quite logically from "life begins at conception" - make it official.
It was a red herring because it has nothing to do with the morality of abortion. Especially the first paragraph.
If it can die, then it can be alive. What exactly are you trying to say, a sperm is some sort of tiny machine?
It may be alive, but it isn't an independent being; it is merely part of a larger organism.
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@3RU7AL
It depends on the tone. The tone I typed it in was not whining. The tone I typed was rational. I'm done defending my honor to you. No offense, but it has begun to distract from the topic, which I'll admit was partially my fault.
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@3RU7AL
He has attacked me twice before in this thread; I will fire back.
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@3RU7AL
This isn't whining. This is a legitimate complaint. It reveals how troubling his ideological narcissism is.
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@3RU7AL
Bingo. Social conservatives absolutely love to hide behind "the law" when something unpleasant "has to be done" that they agree with, like separating children from their parents and deporting people into war zones. Eh, I guess there's nothing we can do since you know, "it's the law"...Now you just need to force everyone who misses a period to get a "conception certificate". Problem solved 4 evar.
Oh wow, a red herring.
If you can tell the difference between a living sperm and a dead sperm, then the sperm that is not dead is de facto alive.
Being alive does not make it "life" It is not a complete organism. It does not have a complete genome, it has a partial genome. Even prokaryotes have a complete set of DNA.
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@mustardness
Who are you to determine what common sense is? You can't just claim your ideology is common sense and then proceed to call people chimpanzees because they have a different ideology.
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@mustardness
Bru7al, Mharman has no idea what rational, logical common sense is. I'm not sure any Trumpanzee does.
This coming from the guy who can't even string together a coherent sentence.
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@3RU7AL
As is the current law. Just because the law is like that doesn't mean the issue should be like that. The current abortion laws are immoral.
Also, sperm cells are not life, they don't have a complete genome. It is when the sperm joins the egg that it becomes life.
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@mustardness
You didn't answer the question. All you did was go on a tirade of personal attacks.
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@3RU7AL
So a legal document certifying birth makes one alive?
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@Alec
Now this is something I can get on board with. There are almost no businesses on reservations, save for some casinos and drilling sites. The cost to move a business on government property is just too much for businesses to have any incentive to move in. If the government withdraws, the land becomes dirt-cheap, and businesses will have an incentive to move in. Jobs are opened, jobs are filled, jobs create wealth, poverty declines. Bada bing bada boom.
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@mustardness
What magical powers does the vagina have that passing through it makes the baby alive?
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@David
AIRhino has gone AWOL so far... how much time should I give him?
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@David
They could sell it to revive the site, but if they do they should sell it to a smaller company instead of a giant like Google or Facebook.
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@mustardness
Income inequality is touted as evil by the left, but all it is is people who work the hardest rising to the top.
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@mustardness
Calling us "Trumpanzees" isn't going to help your cause.
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@Greyparrot
Seems like just another attempt to make Trump and his supporters look racist.
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It seems like not many of you know the facts about the incident. First off, the teens were simply marching. There was this group of people that call themselves Black Hebrew Israelites. The BHI was yelling at and harassing the teens in question. They called the teens “faggots” and black teens were called “niggers” by the BHI. Then this Native American dude starts banging a drum in the teens face. Of course you would make a weird look when some dude starts drumming in your face!
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@3RU7AL
They are fighting words if you choose to be offended. But the intent of refusing to go along with it is not to cause trouble, but to hold true to one's beliefs. It not meant to be insulting, threating, or abusive. It's refusing to compromise one's beliefs.
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@3RU7AL
Refusing to go against your own beliefs and use someone's stupid pronoun is not fighting words nor is it disturbing any peace.
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@AIRhino
How about you put me against AIRhino in the first round? We're both have bye atm and it makes more sense for an 8 man bracket.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Excellent post. You said it better than I ever could've.
The efforts to feminize boys nowadays are scary.
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@oromagi
Your question is so it's unkind- isn't it protected speech? The answer is yes, except when there's criminal intent.Look- if the lunatic can-opener said "call me man one more time and I'll jump" and you say "man" and the lunatic jumps, you are probably going to get charged with something and we both know there's some justice in such a charge. There are circumstances when protected speech becomes crime and so forfeits protection. Willfully violating another citizen's (potentially fragile) identity in the privacy of their homes, in a time of exegesis, that rises to the level of crime. The State of California sees that as minor crime. Why can't you?
These statements right here are what I have a problem with. It's one big Appeal to the Extreme Fallacy. The thing is, we already have laws covering criminal intent; thus, there is no need for this bill.
There is one scenario, however, that the law does not cover. This scenario is "willfully violating another citizen's (potentially fragile) identity in the privacy of their homes". And there's a reason why the law doesn't cover it- refusing to go along with someone's pronouns is an expression of your own belief, it is not criminal intent nor is it violating their identity. They choose to feel that their identity is violated (as my dad would say, "You choose to be offended.")- they don't have to take them seriously- they can stand firm in their own identity. If you feel like your identity is being attacked, that's your own fault.
Another thing I noticed here was a snuck premise. Specifically, two words in particular. The words "potentially fragile" are the snuck premise. You assert that the elderly are too frail and will thus collapse at anything, or that the risk is too high. But once again, you assume it is the fault of the person refusing to go against their beliefs. While old people can be fragile, they can also tough and wise. If they are snowflakes, it is their fault.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Wow. You hit the nail right on the head.
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