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@Earth
Adding to the case, you’ve all but disappeared from the thread, never giving input on anything else.
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@Earth
Btw I’m not confident you’re town. To be frank, with your role and Austin’s, I’m thinking you’re evil scum. Cause I don’t see room for another role designed to aid town in the numerical disadvantage, and to be frank, the more that I think about it, the more I realize soldier might be a bit much, even for Lunatic.
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@Earth
??? That’s not true. You were the one who claimed to win it. So you could be on the mafia team that won it... and if you’re mafia and we lynch you, scum has one player remaining. At which point they can’t use politician to instant win the game DP4.
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@Savant
Welp. Earth it is.
What’s your proposed wagon again?
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I was hoping for a yes but Lunatic clearly doesn’t wanna make it that easy
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@Moozer325
I already explained this. It's because I was working things out from the POV of me being scum. It was hypothetical.
Valid.
It's stupid. The fact that you implied I had a discord chat with Luna honestly seems like a scum-slip to me.
That’s not what a scum slip is, and no, I was never even baiting you back there, I just think the fact that went on a tangent about how I could be baiting you was weird. If you had said, “i checked, no.” I wouldn’t have batted an eye at it. Plenty of people have the PMs in discord instead of DART. I know this because I’ve modded games and I know some people prefer to talk to the mod on Discord, even as town.
I feel like that's the reason I shouldn't be being interrogated. We've been over this, it isn't new information.
Ok. I get a window into your thought process here. Nice.
Town confirmed, you said it yourself
Role confirmation =/= town confirmation. I would argue that for Austin’s role, in the context of this game, he is probably town. But that is not confirmation.
You said it yourself, I'm town confirmed
See above. I would argue that your role could be either town or scum.
Imagine a world where you are scum popular, and Mikal has a lawyer. Because of this, you are not guaranteed to be town. Make sense?
Can someone please explain to me why Earth is still in the PoE?
Because buddying exists. There is nothing stopping him from having the politician and simply claiming he copped you innocent.
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@Savant
You gotta unvote. The second cop confirms you are innocent, but just because Earth was telling the truth about you being innocent doesn't mean he's innocent himself.
I was waiting to see if you’d do this. Nice
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@Lunatic
Vote count + answer the question in post 223? 🙏
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@AustinL0926
kinda doubtful its what's going on at this point, but I found it: Post 510 DP2, since you asked
as for the Austin-Moozer thing, I initially said it as a joke last DP, but it was a funny thought because it would explain the CC in a way that doesn't rely on a mod error from Lunatic. I don't think it's the case either but what it entails is hilarious
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@Mikal
Idgaf about Overwatch anymore. anyway, I think youre fronting and this conversation has run its course
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@Mikal
Appeal to authority is a weak fallacy. but since we're playing that game...
I've solved games on my own in your absence, and I got Wylted this game. 60% isn't 100% btw
and ofc you'd stray from what you'd normally do as town
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@Mikal
I have shrodinger's skill. It depends on what argument you want to make lol.
And the reason got it wrong on Whiteflame at the very end is because I told myself "no way he makes that mistake, right?" not making that mistake again
Behaviorally speaking you aren't that great either. I called out one of those reason already. You were quick to townread me last game, now I'm suddenly the hardest person to read, and you're operating strictly in pools
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@Mikal
this cannot possibly be real plan. You don't get the win, plus LUnatic is gonna pissed at you
youre bluffing
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@Mikal
nope.. just took me a second to realize what Savant was thinking. you know all about inside knowledge
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@Mikal
with so many people turning their agendas into a guessing game for scum, you can see why I wrote off the idea of you getting the vote manip
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And if I slipped, oh yours a DEFINIETELY a slip
not that it changes much
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@Savant
yeah. honestly i had written off the idea of them getting it. I think their odds are extremely low at this point, I'll say that
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@Savant
oh, do you mean they insta hammer with me + politician + Earth + teammate, and then grab the vote manipulator in the night phase? fair enough my bad
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3c. I gave out some specific plan mafia may have been going for last DP. What are your thoughts on those?Could you remind me of that?
lemme go find it
All of your other answers were fair
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@Lunatic
@Savant
pretty sure I'm the only vote on Mikal rn. They don't have enough to quick hammer, plus they'd reveal themselves if they do
vote count?
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@AustinL0926
1. Your role is one way town can get help with the numbers disadvantage. However, so is Earth’s, and (possibly, but very unlikely Mikal's). Your take on this?They seem pretty unrelated, Earth's has to do with an alternative town wincon while mine just redirects the lynch. Any sort of role which messes with the fundamental mechanics of the game, as well as to role mechanics, can be argued to do this.
fixed part of my questions.. I said unlikely cause Mikal's claimed role would a need a prevented night kill from someone else in the game to truly help us in that department, to get us back on odds and get us a second DP.
My point here is that if scum loses on a chance to get town, it helps town. Mikal's role needs extra help to get us back to odds, but for your role, if you are on the verge of getting mislynched, you can challenge scum and beat them, keeping us at odds and getting scum in the process. Which is why I say your role counts for this.
As for Earth, the idea is that since scum has more numbers, a role like this could help town, with the number disadvantage, especially if he has to survive six mislynches. Seems kinda bastard, and now I'm wondering if we're running out of roles Lunatic wants to experiment with.
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@Lunatic
Player has a passive role, however, Player can receive an active ability at some point. If Player received an active ability as a gift from town during the day, could Player use both actives role the same night, while their passive role is still active?
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@Mikal
My logic on Wylted was solid. This is a statement aimed at getting town to doubt me, pure ad hom and a weak one at that
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@Mikal
When I asked Lunatic if a doctor could use both his role and a 1x cop (from the reward) on the same night, he said yes.
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
Unvote VTL Austin Unvote VTL Mikal
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@Mikal
Yes role cope works that way and yes I was given the result
Not according to mafiascum, mafia universe, or draferman's list
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
Boom goes the dynamite!
After you’ve answered your questions, pay extra attention to my case on Mikal. He scum slipped, and it’s blatant. I’ve caught him.
VTL Mikal
If y’all want to go for Mikal as soon as this DP, I’m SO down. But nonetheless, the odds of Earth being scum and having a 1x politician cannot be ignored. If you want to vote Earth, I’ll will join you, although I prefer we lynch Mikal this DP.
Under no circumstances, however, should either of them survive the next two lynches (today and next DP).
Lastly, I know Mikal is scum. If Earth flips town, my leading theory for the final scum would be Moozer, given that Mikal felt the need to “town confirm” him. Notice how Mikal was defending Wylted for a long time in DP1.
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@Mikal
FINAL ROUND: MIKAL
YYW/Coal once said “never be completely honest about your reads, even as town” (paraphrased)... and I did just that this time around. Truth be told, I never trusted you at any point last day phase.
But, I had felt you had some positives, stuff that looked hard to fake. I decided to go along with what you were doing as a litmus test, to see if there was any genuine way you had a surefire game solve. It would’ve been quite the reward for my patience. Suffice it to say, I’m disappointed. And that stuff from earlier? I’m convinced it was some darn good acting. You are a very good player, after all.
Last DP, I had hinted that there was a way to tell if you were lying, but not the same reason you had given. In the night, I predicted you would holster your vanillizer, and claim whatever investigative result suited you. In particular, I had felt you would “track” me and out that I visited no one, getting the last bit town cred you needed off the fact that I could confirm your visit.
Granted, that didn’t happen. Instead, you scum slipped (hey- even great players make stupid mistakes sometimes, especially true if they’re a little rusty). I’ll explain why at the end.
As for my questions… Good luck, scum.
FIRST QUESTIONS:
1. To start this game, you went after Whiteflame off the rip. At first it looked like reaction testing, but tbh, some of it was a little excessive. Almost like you were ragebaiting him. But there’s only so much ragebaiting one can do for an honest reaction test. At a certain point, it becomes an attempt to see if you can frame someone off a negative reaction. I believe you were going for exactly this. Why not?
2a. You speculated if Whiteflame was universal backup. This was already pretty anti-town, given that Whiteflame hadn’t made his role blatantly obvious. Wouldn’t you say so?
2b. Wylted was also trying to pry info out of people, namely when he asked someone if they were the show Cash Cab. I sense a pattern. Don’t you?
4. I’ve come to understand that there’s an incentive for Banana to out her role early as a way of obtaining a claim with janitor. But at the time, you questioned why she was so quick to reveal it, before the janitor was known. You didn’t question it when Pie did it last game. What’s different in this case, at the time (key phrase: at the time)?
5. This game, you’ve been constantly saying you can’t read me… but last game, you townread me right off the bat. What changed?
6. Last DP, you wanted the item so bad… in addition, you wanted Whiteflame, an investigative dead. This aligns with someone who doesn’t want things messed up by those pesky investigatives. Doesn’t it?
7a. Your claimed ability is VERY similar to Whiteflame’s who has flipped town. You both gain additional power through your role. I wouldn’t expect both of those roles to be town. Would you?
7b. On top of that, you have claimed an additional ability, beloved princess. You are the only player in this game who has claimed to have multiple roles. Seems odd, right?
7c. You’re widely townread by everyone else. As the game goes on, you’re going to keep having to explain why you haven’t been NK’d. Beloved princess fits the bill, does it not?
7d. You have claimed rolecop on top of your other roles. Not only does scum normally have this role, but it’s an investigative role, which Whiteflame and I also have. Is there a reason for you to think there’s room for all three?
7e. I find it odd that you haven’t given your justification for jeopardy being beloved princess, why is Jeopardy beloved princess?
8. If you truly were trying to bait the night kill last night, you’d have nothing to gain from dying in the night. As I understand it, the next night phase being skipped. Town would be in evens, so you wouldn’t have gained us an extra DP. You just would’ve died without being able to reveal your tracker results. Seems like quite a ridiculous risk for a beloved princess, no?
9. In an earlier question to Austin, I noted that his plan revealed to the mafia who has the item, allowing them to plan around it. Given that you wanted the item, you seemed quite unafraid of dying in the night; it doesn’t seem like something a beloved princess would do, either. Points to some inside info, doesn’t it?
10a. Earlier, you had said you didn’t use the tracker because you used the rolecop. But when I asked Lunatic a question (post 87), it was confirmed that you could have used both last night. You lied. Why?
10b. You’ve drawn a lot of attention to the fact that you “could’ve died in the night”, and a real beloved princess would undoubtedly be aware of it. Given 10a, a real beloved princess would’ve used both tracker and rolecop, correct?
11. I notice you wanted Whiteflame to claim over Wylted in DP1. As a matter of fact, you were the only one defending Wylted for most of last DP. Why?
FINAL QUESTION:
11. How is this NOT a scum slip? (It is, 100%.)
Earlier, you said Moozer was “town popular.” The problem? Role cop doesn’t work like that. Role cop checks role, not affiliation. There is ZERO planet on which Lunatic confirms “town popular” to you. Popular is the same role, no matter if its scum popular or town popular. If you truly rolecopped Moozer as town, you would have just rolecopped Moozer as “popular.”
You would know this too, so you had no reason to rolecop Moozer after his role was confirmed.
I believe you scumslipped by revealing rolecop results on Moozer when you were supposed to falsely claim you tracked him, and added the extra function to your role to try and cover it up, lying that you couldn’t use both at once along the way.
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
IT'S INTERROGATION TIME!!!
FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS:
Banana
There's a a few good things from you I like seeing that make me townread right now. However, with my current townread on Savant, and a janitor on Casey that looks catered toward obtaining a fake claim for someone who needed it, I should ask you some questions, to clear all doubt.
1. Nearly the entirety of your activity this game has been centered around defending yourself from Mikal, and scumreading him off it. Where is the effort to scumhunt others?
2a. What you made you suspect Savant NP1?
2b. What do you think of Savant now?
3a. Is there any way you and Savant could be a false dichotomy?
3b. How likely is it?
4. Your early decision to out your character’s premier date aligns with the incentive to janitor someone for their role. Why can't this be the case?
5. What do you think of the idea that you and Mikal are teammates and hard bussing each other?
6. What is the case for you being town?
Savant
Yes, I have decided to add you to the list. I like Banana's behavior. Since you are the other one of two players who could benefit from janitoring Casey, Banana has become somewhat of a challenger to you. Therefore, I should cover my bases.
1a. Is there any way you and Banana could be a false dichotomy?
1b. How likely is it?
2. Why is annoyance/anger/frustration listed as a townlean for some people, but a scumlean for others?
3. You seem to think I bussed Wylted. What do you think of the idea that you are scum with Wylted, and hard bussed him?
4. What is the case for you being town?
Moozer
To be honest, I’m not completely sure how to read you. I thought I was, but there’s a couple of weird things that bother me now.
1. DP1, you implied that others were mislynches, while not calling yourself a mislynch. Why?
2. DP2, you had said I might have been trying to bait you into saying you were in a discord with Lunatic. However, you thinking about that makes me wonder if you’re thinking about how you can’t say you’re in a chat with him. What is your argument against this line of thinking?
3. Austin is role confirmed, and so are you. What do you make of that?
4. What do you think of Austin?
5. What do you think of the idea that mafia team failed to submit an answer DP1, and that you and Austin miscommunicated yesterday on who gets the town cred, and are both scum?
6. What is the case for you being town?
Austin
I was scumreading you hard last DP. But then your role got confirmed. I believe there is a good chance you are town because of this. I believe your role would be OP in scum’s hands- and that since your role exists, it makes more sense for town to have a bailout than scum. However, I have one final nitpick with your role, and some loose ends bother me.
1. Your role is one way town can get help with the numbers disadvantage. However, so is Earth’s, and (possibly, but very unlikely). Your take on this?
2. Last DP, you had a methodology that involves town coordinating to give a single person an item. I didn’t get to ask you about this last DP, but you do realize that methodology tells scum who got the item, and helps them plan accordingly, right?
3a. Post 79 DP2: You claim to be baiting scum, but who’s to say you aren’t baiting town into such a CC, for sacrificial purposes that could get a teammate one step closer?
3b. This plan makes sense if your teammate can win the game sooner than expected, or if your teammate is widely townread. Thoughts?
3c. I gave out some specific plan mafia may have been going for last DP. What are your thoughts on those?
4. What do you think of Moozer?
5. What do you think of the idea that mafia team failed to submit an answer DP1, and that you and Moozer miscommunicated yesterday on who gets the town cred, and are both scum?
6. What is your case for being town?
Earth
I’ve always felt the incentives for you claiming soldier as scum were low, and that soldier is plausible. But in the wake of new claims, one verified, I’m not as sure. This is especially true as you’ve all but left the game.
1a. Your role is a way for town to deal with their numerical disadvantage. However, so is Austin’s, and (possibly, but very unlikely) Mikal’s. Thoughts?
1b. Let’s assume there isn’t room for all three. Your role would appear to be the least likely in the game, since, to me, it would be evil of Lunatic to have a game where scum could possibly lose after getting three mislynches in the first three DPs. Why is this not the case?
2. Any reason why you’ve all but disappeared?
3. It seems like you aren’t too interested in going forth with your hidden task, despite how important they are this DP. Are you going to get to that a some point?
4. What do you think of the idea that you could be in a team with Savant, given that he townreads you so hard, to the point where you’re not in his PoE?
5. What is your case for being town?
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And again, yall better not end the DP before I get the chance to finish
Gn
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I've typed out half my questions. I'm going to sleep, will finish it and post it in the morning
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@Earth
I believe I've seen into someone's soul. You find out sooner rather than later
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@Earth
cmon dude wheres your spark. actually play the game dude. At least explain your thought process
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