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@ILikePie5
I worded that specific question in that specific way to throw Lunatic off too, before I posted that read on Mikal. He refused to give a clear answer when I got more specific.
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@Savant
I get it man, reasonable mistake.
But I had the function of an alert townie with a different name. Some of the older mods do that because different communities have different names for different roles. Iirc the first mafia players on the old DDC were from mafiascum, so I think the origins from MS, to the uniqueness of DDO, to the modern influence MU is having on DART has changed the terminology in some cases over time.
That’s not as bad as claiming an extra function to a role that didn’t have a justification, that also clashes with other claims (rolecop) and goes against the incentives of observed behavior.
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@Savant
Villainous Villains. Pie told you DP2 that he was a town gramps in that game. That was a Lunatic game.
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@Savant
If I got the sensor I would’ve hard pushed Moozer and Mikal at first, but Moozer not hammering Banana immediately would’ve made me think about Banana + teammate, and I would’ve felt it was you in that scenario. Maybe I would’ve had more time to consider the hard bus, but eh.
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@ILikePie5
@Savant
I figured he was fake claiming to avoid a night kill.That’s…an interpretation lol
I did think about this for a second after Banana flipped town. But then I realized scum would know anyone who wants to bait a night kill would not be too obvious with it. So I just concluded all the wack stuff that needed to make Mikal be town must’ve been true.
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@ILikePie5
@Savant
Well yeah that for the double jeopardy and rolecop/doc idea… but not for beloved princess and jeopardy.
7e. I find it odd that you haven’t given your justification for jeopardy being beloved princess, why is Jeopardy beloved princess?
I did call that out. Post 196 DP3
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@Savant
If someone visited me, yeah. I wasn’t even thinking about it. Preoccupied with scum hunting
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@Lunatic
The idea is that the survivor will take the side of whoever is doing better, so they count as 0.5 scum
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8v3 is really hard for town imo. Roles can help I suppose. I know when I see 11 players, my mind jumps to 9v2+1
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@AdaptableRatman
Yeah, I think i mentioned this in my interrogation of Mikal, but I had felt he may have been selling that early interaction with Whiteflame a little too hard
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@Mikal
Targeting down me was definitely the right play on your side.
Dude I wanna get a scum game with you as my teammate now. I’m on a five scum game win streak
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@Mikal
I would’ve seen through Banana, but scumreading you prevented it.
I had felt, that since you were defending Wylted for a bit DP1, that your tendency was to defend your teammates. So the idea that you and Banana were hard bussing since DP1 was very difficult to me to seriously consider.
And “the rambling” is just me trying to piece things together, exploring other ideas and thoughts and logical paths and whatnot. I do it all the time as town and I pointed it out to Savant.
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@ILikePie5
I thogubt I asked that in my questions to him, during the interrogation?
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@Savant
At which point it was fine for you to sacrifice your position as the free townie and give it to someone else who could need it
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@Mikal
The idea was that I VTL myself, scum sees it and types up their own VTL, and I beat them to the punch and Unvote before they post their VTL, exposing them for trying to quickhammer. The would post it, and to their horror, the page was refreshed to show I unvoted first
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@whiteflame
But yeah i am happy to be proven right about mikal.
If there is gonna be any endgame discussion, you might wanna lock the thread Whiteflame
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If it’s any consolation, Mikal would’ve hammered if I didn’t
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@Mikal
@Savant
GG Mikal.
Savant, I’m not gonna pretend i didn’t just do something completely stupid, but let this be a lesson not to hard scumread someone over stupid shit.
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@Mikal
Yup. Was gonna Unvote fast to try and catch someone trying to quickhammer
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At the very least, I’m going to make the case for me being town.
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Also, keep in mind this f3 looks specifically designed to get me mislynched
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@Savant
Well, Mikal is almost definitely town at this point. I won’t rule out the possibility of a hard his all game long, but it’s probably Savant.
Istg if I get quicklynched
Istg if I get quicklynched
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@Savant
Mikal: "my pick on who we get a claim from is wylted"If they were scum partners, why wouldn't Mikal have a better claim lined up for WyIted?
where
Sure, and scum reading does not equal vote pressure or a direct demand for a claim.
And I would've voted for him after finishing my notes, again, you keep ignoring this.
WyIted might have been prepared to be scum read, but given his claim he clearly wasn't prepared to be asked for his role.
THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD I TELL PIE I WANTED WYLTED'S CLAIM.
Look at CoD mafia and Inheritance cycle. I prepared claims for my teammates in both games. He's not claiming miller if I'm his teammate, because it's one of the dumbest things possible.
Yeah, once WF was going to be the lynch, you could only gain town cred by opposing said lynch. Also you were in PoE so it's opportunistic you'd want to expand it.
or, because I noted some of the point in his defense made sense and was actually beginning to think it might not be him. Another example of you framing something in the scummiest way, when it isn't.
Austin is confirmed town now. If Moozer was scum and banana was town, Moozer would have hammered by now.
no shit sherlock. At the time, I had felt that the CC was legit. Obviously I have to conclude Lunatic really did step in because he made a mistake. Unless Moozer is teammates with Banana, but I don't think that's the case.
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@Savant
And by the time you went after Whiteflame, I was realizing Whiteflame's defense was making sense, and thinking about Moozer and Austin. I only went a long with it to see if Mikal really was cooking. He wasn't.
meanwhile, you and Mikal kept going after whiteflame
Notice how Mikal strictly operates in pools. He's led town off a cliff and you fail to see it.
Meanwhile, I get scumread for being the sus that got others to sus Wylted, because I wanted to finish some damn notes.
fucking stupid and you know it
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I was the first vote on the WyIted train right after Mikal said he wanted a claim from WyIted, which was followed by a bunch of others voting WyIted.
Doesn't matter.
No, he asked who you scum read. You scum read him since you were also in the scum pool, but that's not the same as voting for him or pressuring him.
I scumread him long before the pool began
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@Savant
And you can bring up whatever pedantic bullshit you want. I attacked Wylted, and Mikal defended him. You cannot get around this point, because it is objective truth. Which exposes the double standard in your logic.
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@Savant
Yeah, very pro-town reason to stall the hammer.
Can a nigga finish his thoughts? I would say wanting to finish my thoughts is pretty pro town. I love how you frame it as "stalling the hammer' here.
That wasn't in response to your read lol. That was all Mikal and me.
That's bullshit lol. Pie asked me whose claim I wanted, and voted after I said Wylted. Meanwhile Mikal didn't even have Wylted in the pool until I put the first sus on him, and Pie agreed. You joined after all of that.
So you have even less of case to claim any credit yet you are, while sussing me for saying I should have credit for it. oh, and you still accuse me of doing the distance play crossed your mind first. Projection much?
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@Savant
any scum could do anything hoping town will buy their excuses. doesn't mean that they did and the better play is to just not draw attention anyway
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Me: I sus Wylted!
Pie: I agree! Let's start a wagon for his claim!
*wagon starts*
Me: *typing notes*
Pie: Mharman, are you going to hammer?
Me: Yes, after I finish these notes.
Earth: *hammers before I finish my notes*
Savant: OMG MHARMAN WHY DIDNT YOU HAMMER WYLTED
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@Savant
Lynched for not hammering? What? By this logic we should just lynch you now for not hammering.
no, be lynched for running out the clock after telling Pie I would be the hammer
nice job misrepresenting my point tho
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@Savant
And I also felt I should be town confirmed by it... which is why I got so pissed at you DP2.
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@Savant
and yeah, i was going to celebrate in-thread, being right on Wylted. sue me
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@Savant
run out the clock... LOL. At which point I would just be lynched next DP for it...
kinda defeats the whole purpose of me "trying not to look sus" doesn't it?
You're making contradictory points
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