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@David
@Barney
Resurget voted no on prop 3
I think you should just count manually
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@Barney
I would double check the AI if I were you. Manual count is just better. I remember removing my vote on Mikal.
And I’m pretty the voting on slurs is off, although it doesn’t benefit me to say this.
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@Barney
Also, on the political front, we know that MAGA in Minnesota support eugenics; but being a red-cap from Minnesota isn’t grounds for an automatic ban on large part because as bad as eugenics usually are, it can be carried out without committing atrocities.
Lol. I can’t wait for when the mainstream media decides to assert that MAGA wants genocide and all the mods believe it. It’ll be a Thanos snap to the site lol
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@Debunker
Oh that’s a GOOD point. I wanna see how the mods react to a communist user joining and making all of their initial posts about Holodomor denial.
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@WyIted
I have evidence it happened. For example did you know that numerous Holocaust survivors have testified that sexy Nazi women such as the bitch of Bucharest was constantly forcing them to let her suck their dicks?It's too much eye witness testimony to ignore
Wow. The train in Auschwitz sounds better than the train to Auschsitz!
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@Mikal
@AdaptableRatman
Wylted’s position is “The Holocaust definitely happened 😉” while mine is “The Holocaust totally didn’t happen 😉”
RM, you guess who is denying the Holocaust and tell me who you think should be banned.
Get trolled lol
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@Barney
lol. Thank you for confirming that you do not have a well thought out line in the sand.
Oh and this is no game to me. This is for future of the site.
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@Barney
It’s a pretty simple question.
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@David
I henceforth change my vote on Mikal to “nay.”
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You either have free speech or you have cheap talk.
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@David
I henceforth change my vote on Lemming to "nay."
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@David
Proposition 2: Should the website be rebranded to a different domain nameA. YesB. No
No.
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@Barney
Please describe the total range of what you believe counts as "Nazi propaganda."
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@David
Proposition 1: New moderatorsPart 1: Should DART bring on new moderators?A. YesB. No
I vote yes.
Part 2: If yes, who should those moderators be? You can vote for more than one. If voting for more than one please rank your preferences. Here are the applications we received:A. AdaptableRatman
FFFFFFuuuuck no. Seriously David, why is he even an option?
B. Sir.Lancelot
Nay.
C. Mikal
#3
D. Svant
#1
E. Lemming
#4
F. Swagnarok
#2
Proposition 3: Updating the COCShould the COC prohibit the use of racial slurs?
HELL NO GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE NIGGA
...and roll back the "hate speech" bullshit in the CoC while you're at it! A lot of users were pushing for it; you do realize that, right?
Proposition 4: New featuresWhat new features would you like to see on the new website? Multiple choices are permitted. If selecting multiple options please rank the order of what you want to see most strongly.A. Opinions
Meh. Don't care.
B. Polls
#2
C. Groups / Clubs
#1- but only if it entails group PMs (I assume it does). #3, behind "Polls" and "Forum signatures" otherwise
D. Articles
Meh. Don't care.
E. Podcasts
Meh. Don't care.
F. Mafia ELO system
No. Any SBMM should be done privately within the mafia community.
G. Add images / videos
Images only. #4
H. Forum signatures
#3
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
Pie has said he’ll play with you this one time just to fill another slot.
I do need a few things from you.
1. Don’t have a meta where you just claim at the start of the game.
2. Put some level of effort in that is greater than in previous games (even if the effort is still somewhat low).
3. Don’t rush to vote, especially in MYLO/lylo situations.
You /in?
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@Barney
Oh for crying out loud. Why didn’t you make this point sooner instead of yapping about how people with opinions you don’t like are akin to spambots?
I had no way of knowing what was deleted; all I saw was an account with 0 debates, 0 votes, 0 comments, and 0 forum posts.
How about this: The mods have an alternate account that they all have access to. It doesn’t have any mod perms, but it is used for accepting the debates of banned users so if something like this happens again, what EXACTLY got said user banned is public record.
Would you oppose such a solution?
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@Barney
Please tell me why a holocaust denialist should be treated the same as a spambot when it comes to deletion of posts. You keep dodging this point.
Again, this is a false equivocation fallacy.
I can’t wait to hear such arguments like “their beliefs are garbage, like a spambots spam are garbage.”
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@Barney
Again, you cannot defend awful bans, and a lack of transparency surrounding said ban, by falsely equivocating the banned user to a spambot.
Enough with the grift, and yes, it is a grift, because not even you believe spambots and holocaust denialists are the same.
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@Barney
Holocaust denialism is not inherently Neo-Nazi, but you are correct that, odds are, if someone is promoting holocaust denialism that they are probably going to say some hateful stuff as well.
With that being said, from a logical standpoint, you have left yourself open to calling anything you don’t like a Neo-Nazi belief.
What about anti-Zionism? What about conspiracy theories relating to the Israeli government? What about opposition to Jewish immigration to the US? What about the promotion of stricter standards for legal immigration? What about general opposition to Jewish culture? What about opposition to the US’ alliance with Israel? What about opposition to Jewish faith? What about a belief in a superior race? What about belief in a genetically superior race, but equal opportunity under the law nonetheless? What about MAGA? What about general conservatism? What about libertarianism? What about advocacy for freedom of speech? What about extreme advocacy for freedom of speech? What about advocacy for total freedom of association? What about opposition to the civil rights act of 1964? Stances on BLM? MLK? Malcolm X? The confederate states of America? Patriotism/display of patriotism?
You may have gotten lost on this, but my point here is… where do you draw the line? Because with your logic, a power tipping mod can argue any of these are hate speech.
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@Mikal
Then you open the door to Barney arguing exactly what he did in post 73. Common sense says that if some denies the holocaust, they are going to say hateful things as well. You have no philosophical barrier to the “everything controversial is hate speech” grift, not one that will, in practice, prevent mod overreach anyway.
I argue there is a difference between general hate speech/ hateful beliefs… and going out of your way to target other users (tagging them to attack them, PMing them, etc).
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@AdaptableRatman
There already are users that do on this website. This website isn’t gonna be banned over the actions of some users.
Are you living in Europe?
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@Mikal
I am fine with banning users who go out of their way to be overtly toxic to many other users. I supported Roosevelt and TWS’s bans.
This whole debate is really just semantics on what we call hate speech… it’s subjective nature is a good argument for cutting that section of the CoC regardless.
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We are all seasoned debaters. If we believe we cannot simply argue against beliefs, and instead ban users who support them, what does that say about the website? It says we are not what we advertise, and that the users here are unskilled and have nothing to offer.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I almost debated drafterman on this when the site was just getting started.
I don’t think this site will be flooded with Neo-Nazis either. Most of the users that joined recently are not Neo Nazis, and it’s reasonable to think Neo Nazis will have their ideas opposed and debunked in front of their eyes on this website.
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@Mikal
Using this logic, you can just equivocate anything to hate speech. Just argue that advocating for certain beliefs or historical narratives are hateful in nature, and argue things close to that are dog whistles.
Here’s a question:
Fuck outta here with that gay retard shit nigga
… Would this be a bannable offense to you?
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@Mikal
The “good reason” is that it offends some users.
But this isn’t Twitter, Bluesky, tumblr, Facebook, Reddit, or instagram. This is a debate website, where free speech must be considered a right. The rights of the users do not end where some people’s sensitives or fears begin.
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@DebateArt.com
You made a mistake giving David control of the site. Iirc, Bullish and Mikal submitted an offer. Why didn’t you just pick them?
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@Mikal
The best way to argue this is to simply accept that hate speech is a form of free speech.
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@David
@Barney
And don’t forget: You do not have the right to decide what is filth and what isn’t. That is the prerogative of the users.
Because you have deleted his posts, the users cannot evaluate what was said. This is by your intention.
Sure, you could have been more secretive. But it does not change the fact that hiding what you hid is incredibly dishonest.
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@Barney
Btw, equivocating a user with beliefs you don’t like to a spambot is hilarious.
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@David
@Barney
@Sir.Lancelot
@AdaptableRatman
Doesn’t matter because David allows this and holds the same beliefs that Barney does.
David, Barney, Ratman… all of you are spineless censorcuck bitches unworthy of running this site.
Most others believe this as well, but they are pulling punches because they are your friends. I am not your friend.
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@Barney
I don’t care about your “it’s the rules!” excuse. Hate speech is free speech, and all of what he said is legal in a public domain, so you can’t argue criminality either.
Iirc, there was a MEEP where users demanded more lax enforcement as well, and in the recent MEEP most users spoke out against this kind of censorship.
Nice power trip. To be frank, I had a feeling something like this was coming the second David’s bitchass decided RM was worth a shot.
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@Barney
We can’t even see what it is he said that was so repugnant, because you deleted it all.
I take this as a sign you want to hide what was said from those who may speak in the banned’s defense. Why are you afraid of accountability?
This is complete bullshit and I think you know that the site won’t stand for this- which is why it seems, you plan on wiping everything anytime you do this.
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@David
@Barney
Oh ffs. What the hell is this shit? Please explain.
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@IlDiavolo
Ah. ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Christian Association) is one of the larger Lutheran Christian synods. The other big ones are the LCMS (Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod) and the LCWS (Wisconsin synod). ELCA is complete trash with its garbage progressive theology.
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Game will start July 7 because a couple of users have told me they won’t be available until then… so until then I can still get 15.
However I’ll end sign ups on July 6, at noon EST.
So if we don’t get 15 by then I can retool the setup for however many we have.
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@whiteflame
I’ve heard good things about JJK
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@Umbrellacorp
Read the plot on Wikipedia. Lowkey seems like it’s just the writer’s poorly disguised fetish
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I’ve been listening to Johnny Cash a lot recently. I’ve never liked country music before, now I’m wondering just how much peak I missed out on
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Sometimes, all you can say about a day is “bruh.”
Or just reference Limp Bizkit
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@Earth
Hey man, 15 players, so odds are statistically low you’ll be the first one out!
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Players
1. Lunatic
2. Mikal
3. Ultra
4. Whiteflame
5. Pie
6. Resurget
7. Casey
8. Savant
9. Vader
10. Irontoaster
11. Joebob
12. Wylted
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@whiteflame
Action is cool, but I hate stupid plots and I like it when the characters are intelligent. Death Note wasn't really action, but the mindgames between L and Light made the show great.
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