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No one is denying that there are real victims or that people suffer. The point Wylted is making is that sometimes you create issues and "victims" for the sake of grandstanding. If someone is being bullied, then yes, stand up to it (depending on the context). But if someone is being confronted or criticized because they instigated a situation, and then claim they’ve done nothing wrong while shifting blame, that’s a fundamentally different matter. In that sense, Wylted isn’t wrong. Take the issue with Casey’s profile picture as an example. You asked them to change it, and they said no, because it’s their personal preference (justifiably). Then you argued it should be changed because it could potentially harm some hypothetical 13-year-old who might not even understand the image or recognize what it represents. That argument is based on a false premise and is creating an issue that doesn't even exist lol. This is also reflective of how you tend to engage in arguments. You start conflicts, and when people push back, you claim you’re being attacked, shift the narrative, and paint yourself as the victim. That kind of behavior is high tier gaslighting. I don't know if you watch Demon Slayer but you remind me of Hantengu.
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Invisible victim is now Satan. You aren't kidding, it's wild to actually look at it from that lens.
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I agree with thett3
Why not just market DART and not Debate art
Debate, argumentation, and rhetorical tactics
Or something that fits that acronym
Why not just market DART and not Debate art
Debate, argumentation, and rhetorical tactics
Or something that fits that acronym
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@WyIted
Actually the above is pretty insightful but you are right about an invisible victim. I have never noticed that but it’s the same as white soccer moms/karens that get offended for people.
Astute
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@WyIted
Wait he thinks he is a savior. What did I miss
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@Lunatic
I’ll be the first to say no one’s perfect. But if you spit it out, nut up and take it back. People that spit out and then point fingers and claim to be the victim. Very little empathy lol
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@Lunatic
I think the gaslighting is worse than the ban everything. Same ole RM but now with a touch of religion to guide his weird takes
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To think he almost a mod lmfao
Who ever had that nugget of inspiration should be ashamed.
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@WyIted
You are always welcome. We are also doing a secondary thing for politics. Max can chime in on when he gets back later
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@WyIted
So I have this concept ima run with open discord pms. Mafia as normal but you can make groups or add people to chat as needed as long as the mod is in each pm
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@thett3
Good afternoon, Thett3,
Thank you for the note—always a pleasure to receive feedback delivered with such a warm edge. I'm thrilled to hear that some people are such phenomenal writers that ChatGPT trained on them. Please extend my congratulations to humanity on that achievement—I must've missed the training update memo. As for internet slang and AI accusations, rest assured: I will do my best to keep things strictly Victorian in tone moving forward. No more LOLs or OMGs, and certainly no algorithmic suspicion—just the Queen’s English and polite nods of literary admiration. Looking forward to our meeting in the conference room. I’ll bring the tea and an apology written in cursive.
Warm regards (in the most formal and human way possible),
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@thett3
speaking of Ai
did you chat GPT auto response me lmfao
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@whiteflame
just got off the phone with thett3, hes going to pitch it to some of the old crew as well
fingers crossed
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@whiteflame
I called Max after I posted and he was also posting lmao
I think we are both excited to see what we can do. I am going to try and dig up the old ddo bois.
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@LucyStarfire
Yup that is the plan. "mafia game", "mafia", "debate game". There is a bunch of key words that we can target and prioritize, I am sure I can take a look at ad words at some point and see some typical searched identifiers. That is so far down the line though. For now, it's just doing some live mafia with the homies, posting some tutorials and other live games, and seeing what happens.
At worst, we have a side project and can do live mafia again
At best, it takes off down the road and we are able to pick up some traction and get people interested.
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@LucyStarfire
Aren't really doing it for money, but yeah in general I think that is a very good way to gain traction. If we wanted to it make revenue. Would just pay and have the channel boosted. Idea is to get traction naturally so we can get some players and have more interest in the game itself. If it turns into something decent wonderful, just hoping there is a tiny base that we can pull from to have some fun live mafia games with. More of a side project than anything.
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Hey everyone,
I don’t want to overcommit just yet and I know Max will probably slap my hand and yell at me for jumping the gun before we’ve fully lined everything up, but I wanted to get the ball rolling and see if there’s interest in helping move this forward. Max and I have been talking for a while about launching a YouTube channel. We’ve pitched various ideas, but we always circle back to one thing, Mafia. We genuinely think there’s a ton of potential here. It combines gaming, intense discourse, and problem solving, quite a few elements that make for compelling content. A number of streamers and content creators have dabbled in Mafia and really enjoyed it, so want to give it a whirl.
We’re not going into this expecting the channel to blow up, but we do want to give it a solid shot. Here's our rough gameplan:
- Bring Back Live Games – We’ll aim to host live Mafia games once per week. We’ll coordinate with everyone to pick a day that works best.
- Assemble a Consistent Player Base – We’re looking for a reliable group of people to show up and participate.
- Video Editing & Channel Setup – Max will be handling editing. We’ll launch a dedicated YouTube channel to post the games.
- Introductory Content – Our first few videos will be very beginner friendly, basic “how to play” content, breakdowns of game mechanics, and commentary that cuts away from gameplay to explain player behavior and decision-making.
- Share Across Platforms – We’ll post our content to Reddit and other relevant communities to try and build some interest.
- See What Sticks – We’re going to experiment a bit and see if we can tap into an algorithm, drive views, and generally bring some attention back to the game.
- Community Growth – The goal is to create a feedback loop, use the content to funnel new players into live games, and guide them toward playing on forums (likely here, now that David has permissions). We’ve also considered setting up a separate site, but this community has always meant a lot to me, so it makes more sense to send traffic here if we can.
I’ve already reached out to a few people, and Whiteflame, Pie, and Luna have all kindly offered to participate when they’re able. With quick fire games, we can knock out a few in one night and hopefully recapture some of the energy and excitement from the old days. We’re not starting immediately, there’s still some prep work to do, but we want to try and get this off the ground at some point soon if it all lines up. Hoping we can deliver. If you are interested in playing, let me know. Outside of blatant toxicity, and just generally ruining the games, I am open to anyone coming unless the broader community is against it.
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I talk about theory all the time with people. Has nothing to do with the game. It’s theory. Discussing the game is bad. Discussing mafia principle isn’t.
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Pie and I talked about mafia theory in private after that. You can agree to disagree
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In general the mod not answering anything should be meta imo and just precedent in general.
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Also only reason I as flaming at earth.
Answer was - I’m not answering anything to anyone. I would have left it alone.
Or a consistent answer.
It’s the multiple answers that annoyed me.
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The balance was def off
If it worked how intended it’s fine but way to swingy
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TLDR. My reads are bad so you don’t know when I’m being bad or leading mislynches.
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I wasn’t ulfric btw. Was what I said
Wasn’t vitriol. I think not saying anything is fine. Just set it before so everyone is aware etc. espc when pie said he got a diff answer than I did
Was annoyed cus you told him it’s the same and told me you wouldn’t answer. That could make me get lynched.
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Can we get a mafia elo system.
I’ll help promote it if we can
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If you are scum. Gj getting this far. The balance to this is wild if there is a cop mason doc and fi lmao
Surprised it’s not over. Again the good fake claims are a dead ass giveaway to me as I think you are the only one who would put that much effort outside of Luna
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Updated ego stroke solve
Dragons vs not
Casey parthanux
Wf Alduin
Pie - cop 1x
Wylted mason
Rm - dreamer
Only way this changes is if Luna had to die and if he had to die maybe there’s a scum mason. But I think Luna could live and function as a doc. Again oleEe confirm with earth
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@whiteflame
Once they confirm how bodyguard works. You are just logical Poe lol
Only way I think it’s not you is if Luna had to die. I also respect your fake claims and how building. So I think the insight in that comment and you feigning ignorance about knowing more is wild. Scum you would dig into every wiki article you could.
Logically I think it’s you. Same POE I had last day phase. Only thing that is throwing me is the bodyguard. But like I said. Pretty sure it just meant Luna had a 50 percent to live and basically be a doc.
If earth confirms that. You are prob dying if town isn’t dumb.
If Luna has to die. Then it’s more complicated
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Looking back. Also the fake claims and how good they are make me think it’s wf. The Serena claim was good. Also think the were wolf claim is good
Out of who’s left. He’s the one that would fake claim like that.
Anyway I’m done posting.
Refer to above post tomorrow
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Confirm how bg works. I think my first impression was correct. Luna can live on a 50 percent chance. Confirm With earth. If someone scum is between wf and rm (if savant can confirm himself). Please confirm bodyguard function with earth
Theme split is likely dragons vs not
Or greybeards vs not
With the pathanux flip
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Pie was likely the nk target. Luna lived lm 50 percent.
It’s wf or rm. if savant can’t confirm lynch
Use to seeing body guards have to die
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Disregard. I read it right the first time
It’s prob wf or rm. wording is odd but I think Luna can live on a 50 percent chance.
It’s wf of rm
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Luna is ulfric. He’s body guard
Here is your plan
1) confirm with earth how body guard works. If someone needs to die. Weird shit happened.
2) if Luna can stay alive and use bodyguard like he had a 50 percent chance to live. Lynch wf and ratman
Bodyguard usually dies on use. This is importantly info
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@Earth
How would a body guard work
Would they die if they target the nk target?
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RM get your head out of your ass.
Wylted Also you as well confirm The bodyguard role. My flip will confirm he’s bg
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If Luna can use it and live. Then keep going as is.
If Luna has to die. Reconsider this game
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