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@ultramaximus2
Im not saying I’m not insulting his actions. He’s throwing a tantrum and unbearable at points. Doesn’t mean I wish he could act like a normal person. But again, I’m not going to let him engage in social terrorism and hold everyone at gun point to his wishes. He’s being a toxic and I have no issues saying that. I also have no issues putting his beliefs to the fire to show him that. He won’t accept it because he doesn’t want to debate. He wants to complain and it’s evident. The point of the debate is to show him he’s wrong, yes. You do that by debating him and letting him come to that conclusion himself. It solves a bunch of purposes. Letting the site see a good debate with 2 opposite positions. Also letting him see how dumb his positions and actions are when put to fire.
And no the site didn’t ask me to come here lmao. Not for this at least. Luna wanted to fill a mafia game. Most of other users just ignore him and pretend he doesn’t exist. This is my choice to challenge him and slap his hand when he’s acting like a child. No one else’s.
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@whiteflame
@Savant
WF is a Jew. I heard they are pretty awful and demonic. At least that’s what Hasan tells me.
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@Savant
Told you. It’s exhausting. But this idea is still great
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@Savant
Hopefully David just gets power of this and it solves itself but yeah again, if you know a way to contact them and make it happen, it’s free marketing. The YT/Twitch space is mostly the debate space and you named a vast majority of the people who have a bottle neck on it. Then you pick a hot button topic and pray for the algorithm to work.
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@Savant
Also doubt this works in the way you want it to but I appreciate the attempt to deescalate. Never have issues interacting with him if he’s behaving normally. But the sentiment is there regardless.
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@Savant
I mean in general I think logistically it’s free advertising if you can find a way to make it happen. Whiteflame by and far needs to be the community choice and we should all be working on this site or the new site well before it happened, so we have a way and somewhere to funnel people to.
Max and I have constant conversations about if we could get destiny or Hasan into mafia etc. They love arguing and mafia is arguing without the PR nightmares that come from real world events. I’m all for this if we can find a way to do it.
Max and I have constant conversations about if we could get destiny or Hasan into mafia etc. They love arguing and mafia is arguing without the PR nightmares that come from real world events. I’m all for this if we can find a way to do it.
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@Savant
You basically summarized a business model Max and I have lol.
Issue is getting Hasan/Destiny/Vaush to do it. They have no incentive to actually want to debate and you would need to be ready to capitalize on the momentum and promote the site/new site. Most of them won’t take formal debaters. Most qualified is white flame and he would have to act like a moron and then drop a bomb if a debate was actually secured.
But in general, getting personalities like that involved in anyway and being ready to monetize or capitalize off the momentum is a good idea.
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@ultramaximus2
I think you are assuming things. He’s not violating a coc. It’s not about humiliating him. It’s about allowing him to see he’s acting like an asshole. It’s not about having people vote or not vote. I mentioned, I’m happy with one person deciding it. But if he lives his entire life blaming other people for problems he starts and causes, and no one is willing to correct him(not just ignore him or attack him blindly which people tend to do), he’s going to continue to be an asshole and blame others for his mistakes. Just because someone has issues and is acting poorly, it’s not an excuse to allow them to hold you hostage by feigning being a victim.
Whether people think so or not, I don’t dislike him. He has moments where he’s not a dickhead. But with his recent behavior, yes I’m challenging him to back up his claims and prove what he says, largely because it will hopefully teach him a lesson.
Oddly I find myself somewhat invested in him because I don’t think he’s a shit person. I think he has issues and just conceding to his social terrorism is not helpful. When he was banned on DDO, 8 years back, I was the one begging max to unban him and I’ve defended him in the past. But no, I will never lie down and let him just act like a moron without pointing out he’s acting like a moron, because he needs to hear that.
He wants to be accepted and be a part of the community, always has. We’ve invited him time and time again and he continues to do stuff like this even after periods of lucidity. So how do you help someone that can’t see they are torpedoing the one thing they actually want because of their behavior. You correct it.
No one dislikes him or hates him. They want him to act normal. Always has been the point of this and why he despises me because I am not scared to butt heads with him and point it out when others just either ignore or attack him for his behavior.
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@whiteflame
It was an appeal to extremes to make a point but understood.
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@Savant
I agree with this. I read that and even discussed with people that it was a good moment for him. But here we are again.
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@ultramaximus2
You want a more apt comparison. He’s the dickhead who beats his gf then blames her when she tries to stand up for herself and fight back.
So when he behaves like a normal functioning adult, I’ll treat him like one. Until then the challenge is there for him to express his qualms in a measurable way. But notice he will never take it because he doesn’t even believe what he’s saying. He just wants to type it so he can read it to himself over and over instead of actually trying to justify it to people who have a different opinion.
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@ultramaximus2
Someone not being well (I admit, he’s obviously not and has mental stuff going on), is not an excuse for everyone to sit by and be constantly antagonized by him. If he wants sympathy, then he can stop acting like a jackass. I had a lot of sympathy when I read his post when he left, wished him well even. Just to find out he came back and is engaging in the same type of dumbfuckery he was before and always has. If you want respect and sympathy, be a likable or decent person.
Challenging him to a debate about the topic he berates literally everyone about and continues to act like a bafoon about is not attacking him, it’s making him defend a position. Never going to feel bad about standing my ground when someone is actively engaging in being toxic and playing the victim. Even if he loves trying to gaslight people into feeling like he’s being attacked or whatever he’s claiming, he’s not or ever will be.
If he wants sympathy or to be liked. Be a decent person and stop being a jackass. It’s not a hard concept. Think he would be surprised how quickly people come around to accepting him, if he did that.
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You are the most gaslighty person on the site, so the irony of that statement is pretty meme worthy.
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Whatever makes you sleep at night. Just read that post you posted ages ago when you left. Again it’s the most insightful you have ever been. Again none of this is attacking you. Just pointing out, you aren’t a victim.
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@Sir.Lancelot
If he refuses to take it, I’d probably still accept. Going to let it sit for a while. Half my enjoyment in this is because it’s him. He spends all his time preaching this so he should be invested in engaging. If this is still here and he still is being a coward then I’d probably still be willing to go.
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If you are saying from a theological perspective, someone that believes in God or the trinity (whatever sect you subscribe to). Someone that has asked for forgiveness of their sins and intentionally makes an effort to abstain from being sinful while trying to fulfill the great commission. Over simplified explanation.
Im not going to argue religion with you, don’t care. Just notating my own opinion. Don’t even believe in Christianity fully but the best Christian’s I know, don’t go around shoving their beliefs in peoples face to prove they are religious. They live it and people see their religion through their works. Being religious always requires a degree of remorse or repentance that I don’t think you are capable of. You basically admitted you went to a therapist and stopped because you found it useless and everytime I see you posting “Christian” posts, it’s hijacking scripture and molding it to match your confirmation bias. If someone or something doesn’t agree with you, it’s wrong. The selling point to scripture is you can pick and choose your own moral framework and find ways to justify it.
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No biblically I’d argue you are not one. That’s not even a character attack, it’s an observation based on scripture and how you act.
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@ultramaximus2
It really depends on how you define victim. If someone breaks into my home and I shoot them, they may technically be the victim of a shooting, but it was a direct consequence of their own actions. The same principle applies to legal consequences: if someone ends up in jail, yes, they're subject to the justice system, but it's their choices that led them there. Being on the receiving end of a consequence doesn't automatically make someone morally blameless. Giving someone a blanket pass because they are receiving due cause, without acknowledging the role of their own choices oversimplifies the situation.
He just wants to be able to do what he wants without someone standing up to him as it plays into his God complex. He can’t do wrong so any action in response to his choices is “abuse” or “attacking” him. He is not a victim. He’s an instigator that wants to feign being victimized and is outraged when any consequence comes his way. The reasons people respond the way they do to him is because he is a jackass, not because he’s being bullied. The fake Christian bullshit just gives him some moral framework to justify this world view he has crafted.
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@LucyStarfire
It’s literally a monkey with a machine gun. I just don’t don’t like grandstanding, fake religious people, or hypocrisy so I don’t mind not backing down from it. But when you punch enough people and one punches you back. You are not a victim, you are an instigator and a recipient of the blowback.
Again his above post apologizing has been the most coherent he’s ever been. Then he found God and wants to use feigned Catholicism as a way to justify his warped worldview. As you mentioned. He thinks everyone on this site abuses him, and he views it as some sort of moral obligation to “fight back” which he’s done a poor job of because he won’t even accept a debate and instead chooses to just bitch and moan in forums because he’s not held to a measurable outcome which the debate offers.
He’s only a victim to his own issues, not of anyone else. That being said I hope he gets help, legitimately and hope he has another come to God moment (ironically). At least there are moments of clairvoyance.
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I’m fine with letting him play to fill slots. We can just ignore him or kill him
15 people is a lot to cover for
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The realism you suffer from mental illness (nothing to be ashamed of, depression, anxiety, etc, all that goes under that bucket and we all suffer from varying degrees of it), along with the realism your autism (you also can’t help this) inflames it was astute . When I say you being online is bad for you, this is what I meant. Can you act normally with people online and have good interactions, yes it’s possible. You’ve continuously proved you are not capable of this though. The victim feigning is exhausting. You can’t just wave your hands around blindly and punch people accidentally and then be upset when they hit you back.
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The above is the most coherent post I’ve ever seen from you and I felt bad and wished you well. Because good on you for seeing your flaws and working to fix them, we all have them. But you’ve shown how much you have reflected on this and finding God was your replacement instead of accepting accountability for how you act towards people.
Re read that entire thread because whether it was feigned to gain sympathy or from the heart. It’s the most coherent you’ve ever been.
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I am not sure how to fix myself. If there is a god I cry in appreciation of the mercy shown to let me have gotten away with being such a prick for so long. I got protected a LOT by god and do believe in one. Again, I know I write this, feel this and in a couple days need to fight myself reverting. I am just saying I see it now. I didn't see it before. Not really. Not ever. In my eyes I was always reacting, responding, yet I was instigating and provoking too.I want to formally apologize for selfish reasons to get it off my chest also so that this is the last post that defines me which is a privilege Id not even have if David had had his way and banned me and maybe was right to want that.To make this at least seem less of my attention seeking bullcrap Ill be specific in my eloquent way (the eloquence is real, egotistical or not).Airmax, if somehow you see this via others, I am sorry and grateful too for you seeing me as the troubled guy I was and having mercy always.Bench, Sir Lancelot, Ramshutu, Wylted, Lunatic, all of you. I allowed my pain and agitation to cloud me. Sorry means nothing here. I understand if you all think I'm a shithead. I really see it now, it hurts and I am writing this before my ego blinds me and before I detox from all social media.
Mikal, sorry for assuming the worst. I do not grasp charity of the sort you got, blame my autism blame anything. There are many members perhaps including me that needed such money to help us gain independence or pay bills/fees. We needed it as bad and I do not get why you get to be the favorite saved one yet look at me.Just look at me. The toxicity I got away with.I helped build DART up from scratch but I tarnished it all the way through as well. I think it is a lie to say sorry for how I acted alone. I am sorry for acting at all. Even to myself. I tried to soothe pain of being a pathetic loser IRL stuck in a super toxic situation that covid lockdown exacerbated and was never truly mentally well.
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Dp1 reads that can change but reading this back. Savant just seems weird and off. Also not near as engaged as he normally is and Casey’s last series of posts just reaks of scum
Moving some of my reads around reading this with fresh eyes and coffee but I feel mostly confident in my block. The less not so much.
Pie
Ultra
Anna
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I also really don’t like savant. I kinda am Okay with killing both Casey and savant tbh.
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Also the same 3 are the first on wylted. I def think one scum is just following pie. Could be pie leading it but I doubt it. I also really don’t like Casey’s post about pie. Like they are trying to make stuff stick.
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To clarify I town read most of the pool but I don’t think scum is exactly between Wylted super and earth. I think one of my reads was off and the earlier wagon that was happening with pie Casey and savant with banana really stuck out to me. Heavily think 1 scum is between those 3. Behavior wise up until that point they all seemed town but it made me second guess it a bit after that and wanted to figure out between the three who seems off and I think it’s Casey.
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VTl Casey
Prob overthinking but we have to pick someone and earth has been at the top of my list most of the dp. Behavior wise I think he sticks out.
But Casey bothers me more. I don’t like the recent posts. Even if earth is wrong it’s wrong but they are making a point to highlight how much they don’t like this or it feels wrong. I think scum tend to do that when they know a mislynch is going to happen to build cred. All of Casey’s past few posts read me as wrong
Town block is
Pie
Owen
Anna
Then next town most towny were
Savant
And casey (pie was in this but moved him up behavior wise and Wylted down because I don’t think Connor confirmed him like I thought looking back )
I still think there is a scum between savant Casey and pie and I think I’m right on pie and I really don’t like Casey’s recent posting.
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Low-key wonder if I’m wrong on savant and if it’s Casey and earth.
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Expedition 33 recently - masterpiece.
Ff14
Entire Ff series.
Most of the tales series
BG3
Suikdeon
Chrono trigger
Chrono cross
Putting it down to favorite. Hard to top expedition 33. Recent but may be best single player of all time
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We just got done with Liva mafia.
I feel like it still has to be earth or savant
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Except you’re not Phelps. You are the town drunk that had one to many drinks, put on a Speedo that’s half his size and can hardly swim. You are the one who thinks you are Phelps. Prove you can swim because right now, I will do laps around you.
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@Earth
@ILikePie5
Prob should just full claim as Anna is voting herself
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@Sir.Lancelot
Makes sense.
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@thett3
:,)
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Gets Unbanned if she wins.
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@thett3
Would also do that
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@Vader
I don’t really think that. He asked me to ping all the
Mods and you so he felt better about backing out of a challenge.
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@ILikePie5
Also I think this list ia wrong. That is earths town reads
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Kinda hard locking pie as town just for the effort to get somewhere this dP
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Make the debate and send it and I’ll say I respect you for taking it in round 1. Otherwise no
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You are not a victim. Stop acting like one. Grow up and actually back up what you complain about non stop.
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You don’t have to debate. I don’t expect you to, it’s obvious you are scared. It’s highlighting you have no backbone and no one should take you seriously until you defend yourself. It’s not degrading you, it’s attacking how you act.
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Earth is also a low poster so almost would rather get a claim and decide from There
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