Con conceded the moral argument when he admitted objective morality existed.
Neither con or moderator realize this because they don't understand the conception of God. If they did, they wouldn't identify as atheists, because anyone who holds a believe that literally means nothing is ultimately real is crazy.
Your arguments are invalid because they come from a place of ignorance, not knowledge.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
As I said even in the debate, the only atheist argument is to make God something else, and then argue that straw man.
So I predicted your behavior before you started.
And your argument is invalid, because really, you are the one who doesn't understand what I am saying, not the other way around. I understand what you are saying, and it is invalid.
You say God doesn't exist, you are saying The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist.
All you can do is argue over the meanings of words, because thousands of years of Church Tradition and the 2 most authoritative dictionaries of the English language back me up.
You are so arrogant that you are basically saying you have more authority whem it comes to defining what we are talking about.
I bet you can't say that The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist. Even you know how stupid that makes you sound. Yet this is what you are denying when you deny God.
THIS IS THE GOD I BELIEVE IN.
You deny my God? How foolish you are, you even believe my God! You know my God exists, it is written on your heart! Your denial is little more than vain posturing and arrogance.
Full Definition
1 a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2 : a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
Your abject attitude toward God is the result of ignorance, fear of the unknown, and a false conception of causation.
Ignorance because The Ultimate Reality is God, and you won't accept this.
Fear of the unknown because you refuse to be educated about your error.
A false conception of causation because you think God is a created thing.
You are superstious. Just like brutaltruth who has blocked me because deep down behind his WWE posturing, is a scared loser.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
None of what you are saying is true. I am not misusing definitions. What I am saying is only illogical when you try to reconcile it with your superstitions. I already demonstrated that your chewbacca argument is total nonsense.
You think you know, but you don't know, so how can I correct you? After all, you know what I believe better than I do, and you think I am being deceitful.
Well, we won't get anywhere like this, because it is fundamentally a matter of you disrespecting my most sincerely held convictions, convictions I am willing to die for. If I take my beliefs that seriously, don't you think understanding my position before dismissing it is important?
At some point, you are going to have to believe me, or we aren't going to progress.
Rejecting The Truth is not the same as rejecting my logic. I am not presenting you any logic to reject. I am making assertions. Assertions you reject out of strife, not any real insight.
And I am not using the two most respected dictionaries of the English language, Oxford and Merriam-webster to prove that God exists, I am using them to make clear what it is I am talking about. Something you reject arbitrarily.
I am not being ridiculous. I am here waiting for you to catch up because I want you to realize the truth. I want you to come to the truth because I love you. I don't care about arguing. I know what I am talking about, and how am I supposed to help you understand if you don't want to?
I am not using the dictionary to prove God. As I said several times already, Church Tradition is older than English, and I know my God.
You don't understand my faith, you are very much in the dark.
You can't even accept that God means The Ultimate Reality, and if you can't accept this, how can you understand anything else?
You don't know my faith, but you think you do. That has rendered you unteachable. Your confidence is misplaced. You are as a 2 year old arguing with a grown man.
You make it all arbitrary, which is a shame.
There is One Absolute Truth, and countless lies. You would rather rest on one of the many lies than come to knowledge of The Truth.
Your entire argument is to not accept what I'm saying, which means you aren't talking about the same thing.
I am not making a fallacy.
You are commiting the fallacy of invincible ignorance, as well as a straw man.
You say I'm obsessing over definitions, but that is because you want to talk about a god I don't believe in while pretending you are arguing against my God.
Think about it for a second, how you must look from my perspective, assuming I believe everything I am saying is true. Realize you are wasting your time if you think I am going to compromise on my most deeply held convictions, that come from true knowledge. You have no authority whatsoever, and don't understand what I believe in.
You're being arrogant.
But you could try.a different approach, which is to make an attempt at honestly understanding what I'm saying instead of trying to conform what I am saying to your superstitions.
Ok, since you don't know how definitions work, I'll give you a lesson...
You defined "chewbacca" as "a furry creature".
By this definition, a dog, a cat, a bear, a racoon, a particularly hairy man... all these things could be said to be a chewbacca.
God is defined as "The supreme or ultimate reality"
So if the image you have in your mind of God is not ultimately real, this image does not fulfill the definition of God, and so you are not actually talking about God.
If you are having trouble understanding, it is probably because you take me to mean something other than exactly what I am saying.
It's a very aimple argument that can be summed up in a sentence.
There is only One God, and that God is the very truth itself, reality as it truly is.
If you don't believe that there is a reality as it truly is, you are crazy. Even atheists understand this. Their problem is that they can't reconcile their superstitions about God with how God is actually understood by the church.
So the only atheist argument is to nake God something other than God.
The purpose of definition is to make clear what I am talking about.
I am talking about the ultimate reality.
It is not arbitrary.
You are being arbitrary, and because of that we aren't talking about the same thing.
You are using a straw man because you don't understand how definitions work.
Straw man
Invincible ignorance.
Until you accept the definition, you are wrong and proving the point I made in my arguments that the only atheist argument against God is to make God something other than God.
You are establishing that you don't understand what I'm saying.
It's really simple.
God is The Truth.
The concept of Reality as it truly is would be The Image, The Son.
Reality as it Truly Is would be is The Father
To accept that the father and the son are one is only activated and made true with the spirit of truth, or the holy spirit.
Father, son, holy spirit.
It is an acknowledgment that we as created beings use the medium of creation to relate to God. That being the case, God dwells among us as sanctifies all of creation.
Without this, you have the various gnostic heresies which damn everything in creation, because they don't accept that The Word of God, which is God, became flesh and dwells among us.
Without this, it also means we are totally detached from God. But we aren't, God is with us.
I'm not going to throw away thousands of years of church tradition just because you want to arbitrarily reject what God means in order to justify yourself.
You have baggage. You are superstitious. You don't want to believe. I am not going to go theough all this for no profit.
I don't need to prove that the ultimate reality exists, in fact, it is impossible to do so because if you have any doubts about its existence, you lack understanding.
The fact that a couple of fools does not take me seriously does not bother me.
Ya'll are the ones who are going to suffer, not me.
You are both simply wrong.
Con conceded the moral argument when he admitted objective morality existed.
Neither con or moderator realize this because they don't understand the conception of God. If they did, they wouldn't identify as atheists, because anyone who holds a believe that literally means nothing is ultimately real is crazy.
Virt shouldn't have to say that God is The Truth because that is what God means.
It says in the description we are talking about judeo-christian monotheism.
I know what my God is.
The whole world can deny The Ultimate Reality. It is that it is.
Both of you are too stupid to understand what I'm saying, it isn't the other way around.
You think I'm defining God into existence!
What nonsense.
Irrelevant nonsense
The Ultimate Reality is not a logical construct.
It is reality in the realest sense of the word.
Also, fyi defining something isn't logic.
All you can do is dispute the definition, because you know it makes your denial of God unreasonable.
Your arguments are invalid because they come from a place of ignorance, not knowledge.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
As I said even in the debate, the only atheist argument is to make God something else, and then argue that straw man.
So I predicted your behavior before you started.
And your argument is invalid, because really, you are the one who doesn't understand what I am saying, not the other way around. I understand what you are saying, and it is invalid.
My God is The Ultimate Reality.
That is how I understand God.
You say God doesn't exist, you are saying The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist.
All you can do is argue over the meanings of words, because thousands of years of Church Tradition and the 2 most authoritative dictionaries of the English language back me up.
You are so arrogant that you are basically saying you have more authority whem it comes to defining what we are talking about.
I bet you can't say that The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist. Even you know how stupid that makes you sound. Yet this is what you are denying when you deny God.
THIS IS THE GOD I BELIEVE IN.
You deny my God? How foolish you are, you even believe my God! You know my God exists, it is written on your heart! Your denial is little more than vain posturing and arrogance.
You are simply lying.
Superstition
Full Definition
1 a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2 : a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
Your abject attitude toward God is the result of ignorance, fear of the unknown, and a false conception of causation.
Ignorance because The Ultimate Reality is God, and you won't accept this.
Fear of the unknown because you refuse to be educated about your error.
A false conception of causation because you think God is a created thing.
You are superstious. Just like brutaltruth who has blocked me because deep down behind his WWE posturing, is a scared loser.
You don't even know what God is, you're superstitious.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
I am very secure that you are wrong and that God is right.
No amount of sophistry, rhetoric, or semantic fumblings are going to change the fact that The Ultimate Reality exists.
You can't prove that The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist, you are wasting your time.
No, you really don't.
And what do you hope to gain by contradicting me on this? You are not going to convince me of anything.
You don't understand my logic before you refute what you think it is.
You think the burden of proof is on the person claiming that reality is real.
You also, for some reason, gave con a vote for conduct.
If you aren't voting honestly, why should I take you as anything but a mocker?
None of what you are saying is true. I am not misusing definitions. What I am saying is only illogical when you try to reconcile it with your superstitions. I already demonstrated that your chewbacca argument is total nonsense.
You think you know, but you don't know, so how can I correct you? After all, you know what I believe better than I do, and you think I am being deceitful.
Well, we won't get anywhere like this, because it is fundamentally a matter of you disrespecting my most sincerely held convictions, convictions I am willing to die for. If I take my beliefs that seriously, don't you think understanding my position before dismissing it is important?
At some point, you are going to have to believe me, or we aren't going to progress.
Rejecting The Truth is not the same as rejecting my logic. I am not presenting you any logic to reject. I am making assertions. Assertions you reject out of strife, not any real insight.
And I am not using the two most respected dictionaries of the English language, Oxford and Merriam-webster to prove that God exists, I am using them to make clear what it is I am talking about. Something you reject arbitrarily.
I am not being ridiculous. I am here waiting for you to catch up because I want you to realize the truth. I want you to come to the truth because I love you. I don't care about arguing. I know what I am talking about, and how am I supposed to help you understand if you don't want to?
I am not using the dictionary to prove God. As I said several times already, Church Tradition is older than English, and I know my God.
You won't accept that God is what God is.
The spirit of truth is not in you, that is why you can't see God The Father through The Son.
My argument isn't to define God as reality.
I didn't define God. The Church understands God as The Ultimate Reality.
I am making no innovation.
Why is that important? Because the faith isn't making up a bunch of stuff and calling it God.
Your argument is totally invalid and untrue because you don't understand what I'm saying.
And I'm not ignoring anything, you don't understand the concept of God so you don't know what the concept is pointing to.
What is my logic? That words mean what they mean?
You don't understand my faith, you are very much in the dark.
You can't even accept that God means The Ultimate Reality, and if you can't accept this, how can you understand anything else?
You don't know my faith, but you think you do. That has rendered you unteachable. Your confidence is misplaced. You are as a 2 year old arguing with a grown man.
You make it all arbitrary, which is a shame.
There is One Absolute Truth, and countless lies. You would rather rest on one of the many lies than come to knowledge of The Truth.
To your own detriment.
You rejecting thousands of years of church tradition doesn't invalidate what it teaches.
Your arguments are the type of delusional nonsense that can be expected from someone who doesn't believe in truth.
And if you deny my God, you don't believe in truth.
You really think I'm going to be swayed by someone who has embraced delusion?
Blasphemy against the spirit of truth is not one that I can be charitable towards.
Your entire argument is to not accept what I'm saying, which means you aren't talking about the same thing.
I am not making a fallacy.
You are commiting the fallacy of invincible ignorance, as well as a straw man.
You say I'm obsessing over definitions, but that is because you want to talk about a god I don't believe in while pretending you are arguing against my God.
Think about it for a second, how you must look from my perspective, assuming I believe everything I am saying is true. Realize you are wasting your time if you think I am going to compromise on my most deeply held convictions, that come from true knowledge. You have no authority whatsoever, and don't understand what I believe in.
You're being arrogant.
But you could try.a different approach, which is to make an attempt at honestly understanding what I'm saying instead of trying to conform what I am saying to your superstitions.
There is no question that God is The Truth, because that is what God means.
Try again.
My God is literally the truth. When you and brutaltruth say my God doesn't exist, you are saying there is no truth.
Having eyes you are blind. Having ears you are deaf. Having a mind, you lack understanding.
Neither you or brutaltruth care about what is true. If you knew the truth you'd recognize what I'm saying.
I hooe that one day you two come to acknowledgment of the truth.
Ok, since you don't know how definitions work, I'll give you a lesson...
You defined "chewbacca" as "a furry creature".
By this definition, a dog, a cat, a bear, a racoon, a particularly hairy man... all these things could be said to be a chewbacca.
God is defined as "The supreme or ultimate reality"
So if the image you have in your mind of God is not ultimately real, this image does not fulfill the definition of God, and so you are not actually talking about God.
So do you understand how definitions work now?
What dictionary did you pull Chewbacca from?
You made it up.
Here are some definitions of the word "arbitrary" for you, courtesy Merriam-webster..
"Based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something."
"existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will"
You are making up definitions.
You proved nothing except your own arbitrariness.
You're an idiot.
The bible isn't God.
I'm not twisting anything. You are the one striving about the meanings of words.
I know what my church teaches. You are not going to overthrow thousands of years of church tradition through semantic fumbling and ignorance.
You are wrong, and you are wrong because your premise is "God exists? No! Anything but that, this can't be true!"
A definition is not a logical fallacy, it is a way of making clear what we are talking about.
God is The Ultimate Reality.
There is simply no way I can overcome YOUR fallacy of invincible ignorance.
My grammer is fine, and my arguments are lucid.
If you are having trouble understanding, it is probably because you take me to mean something other than exactly what I am saying.
It's a very aimple argument that can be summed up in a sentence.
There is only One God, and that God is the very truth itself, reality as it truly is.
If you don't believe that there is a reality as it truly is, you are crazy. Even atheists understand this. Their problem is that they can't reconcile their superstitions about God with how God is actually understood by the church.
So the only atheist argument is to nake God something other than God.
The purpose of definition is to make clear what I am talking about.
I am talking about the ultimate reality.
It is not arbitrary.
You are being arbitrary, and because of that we aren't talking about the same thing.
You are using a straw man because you don't understand how definitions work.
Straw man
Invincible ignorance.
Until you accept the definition, you are wrong and proving the point I made in my arguments that the only atheist argument against God is to make God something other than God.
You are establishing that you don't understand what I'm saying.
It's really simple.
God is The Truth.
The concept of Reality as it truly is would be The Image, The Son.
Reality as it Truly Is would be is The Father
To accept that the father and the son are one is only activated and made true with the spirit of truth, or the holy spirit.
Father, son, holy spirit.
It is an acknowledgment that we as created beings use the medium of creation to relate to God. That being the case, God dwells among us as sanctifies all of creation.
Without this, you have the various gnostic heresies which damn everything in creation, because they don't accept that The Word of God, which is God, became flesh and dwells among us.
Without this, it also means we are totally detached from God. But we aren't, God is with us.
No, your premise is "God cannot exist"
So there is no argument that will convince you.
Even when The Truth itself is literally God.
How can I convince that God exists if you won't even accept what God means?
You qant me to prove your superstitious understanding of God is God.
I can't do this.
And so, until you say That The Ultimate Reality exists, and this is what God means, I will not recant my opinion that you are an idiot.
End of story. Begone from me, wicked one.
I'm not going to throw away thousands of years of church tradition just because you want to arbitrarily reject what God means in order to justify yourself.
You have baggage. You are superstitious. You don't want to believe. I am not going to go theough all this for no profit.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
That is that.
The truth is that your mother is 2,000 lbs
Your mother isn't 2,000 lbs, and this statement is false.
Therefore, the Truth doesn't exist.
^
Your argument, which amounts to, because people say things about the truth that aren't true that means there is no truth.
I'll retract my statement that you are an idiot if you admit that The Ultimate Reality, which is what the word God means, exists.
The Ultimate Reality exists.
You're an idiot.
The ultimate reality isn't an intellectual idea, it is what it is.
The whole point of the trinity is to make this clear.
I'm not talking about an idea, I'm talking about what that is.
Is an idea the ultimate reality?
No understanding at all, I tell you.
You are deserving of mockery.
Definitions make clear what we are talking about.
What does The Ultimate Reality mean?
Think about that.
No one is claiming that.
Now look at what the definition says.
The Ultimate Reality.
*throws hands up in the air*
In other words, what I'm saying is what you say I'm saying. Dictionaries are meaningless.
Gotcha, arbitrary atheist.
No, but definitions do show what I am talking about. When I'm talking about God, I'm talking about The Ultimate Reality.
I don't need to prove that The Ultimate Reality exists, if you have any doubts about the existence of this, you lack understanding.
Clearly you didn't read the debate.
I don't need to prove that the ultimate reality exists, in fact, it is impossible to do so because if you have any doubts about its existence, you lack understanding.