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@Greyparrot
Lol
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@disgusted
There is no such thing as a God, there is only One God.
Your argument is having the English comprehension of a 12 year old.
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@disgusted
And as we all know, the UN is composed of elected officials.
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@Goldtop
I know what The Supreme and Ultimate Reality means, do you?
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@disgusted
I am clearly pointing out the straw man you are making.
You aren't even trying to hide it. You use the word god when I am talking about God. They mean something different.
The Ultimate Reality. That is what God means.
You aren't talking about qhat I'm talking about. You aren't even on topic. Go be a crazy loser somewhere else or make yourself useful. It isn't that hard.
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@Paul
There is nothing small about The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. It is not a thought in my head, it is what created the universe you think is so grand. God is even bigger than the universe.
You clearly don't know my God. If you did, you wouldn't say such things. Without God, there is no universe.
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I don't think it is strange at all. In most cultures it would be a shame to have a woman leader. Besides that, worst case scenario you have a woman head of state. That is bad foreign policy. Your country would be a joke to the nations who see only men as being fit to lead.
But in countries like this, even the women prefer to have men in charge of things. It's not strange at all.
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I like both. I like my coffee black. I like my tea mixed with lemonade or other juices.
The cold brew coffee fad has caught up to me as well, it is superior than the hot water method.
Don't get me wrong though, I like hot and cold coffee. Still black.
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No 2 people are the same, but you still have people.
Math when applied to reality is fuzzy. No two 1s are actually the same in nature.
That isnwhy not long after they broke everything down to atoms, it wasn't long after that the atoms were broken down further into isotopes, and then even smaller pieces.
No 2 atoms. Even of the same isotope are truly the same.
Math is definitely a huge part of how we experience things though. Math reveals creation in a very profound way. You can't make sense of anything without having something else to compare it to.
Binary was mentioned earlier in this topic. Duality is the nature of creation. Relativity. Compare this to the singularity.
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@Plisken
Yeah, if we keep talking to him he is only going to clutter up this topic with more inanities, which will discourage others from participating.
He represents the atheist position well though. His behavior can be predicted based on the knowledge that he doesn't believe in truth. He has embraced delusion. He doesn't have a valid position.
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@3RU7AL
It is through the reality that we know, we can know there is reality that we don't know.
As there is reality that we don't know, the reality we know is not The Ultimate Reality.
The Ultimate Reality > knowledge
Science < God
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@Goldtop
Why do you bother to post? Your position is one that undermines everything you say. You can't make claims about truth while simultaneously holding the position that there is none.
The Ultimate Reality is God. That is what the word means. When you deny God, you are waging a war against reality. This has nothing to do with me.
I'm simply telling you what you are doing and why that makes what you are doing crazy.
So no, you aren't arguing against me, you are arguing against God. You already lost the argument, because there is no argument against God. To even believe so is CRAZY.
So I think you'd be better off abandoning your funny farm position and admit what is only obvious. That God exists, and there is no good reason you could possibly have to justify your aversion to confessing The Truth.
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@Paul
This awe does not go away by accepting The Ultimate Reality as God, it only magnifies God's glory. The source of every truth and reality. This is the God of nature.
If you love The Truth, you love God, and it seems to me that you are awestruck by the reality of how deeply profound all of creation is. The source of all of that is God.
The God I speak of created everything.
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@Goldtop
My arguments don't matter, you are arguing against God.
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@Ramshutu
I don't believe that creationism and evolution are truly incompatible, I think it is a faulty argument. If God created everything through an evolutionary process, how does this detract from God's glory? If anything, it magnifies God's glory.
I think it is a shame that the debate over evolution has people debating about the existence of The Ultimate Reality. Especially since monotheists, as I said earlier in this topic, innovated the concept of biological evolution hundreds of years before Darwin. At least, the evidence can prove that. It was possibly believed even long before that.
The monotheists who originated the idea of biological evolution had absolutely no problem reconciling the reality that everything was created by God with the concept of biological evolution. Why is this an issue today?
Because people on both sides of the debate are superstitious.
I think evolution makes a great deal of sense, but I can't say it is something that I should concern myself with. I think it would be under the category of "endless genealogies", which my faith tells me is not edifying for me to waste my time thinking about. It has no real application for me. Maybe moreso people who work in the medical field or something. I don't know.
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This song is really good.
VERSE 1
God of creation
There at the start
Before the beginning of time
With no point of reference
You spoke to the dark
And fleshed out the wonder of light
CHORUS 1
And as You speak
A hundred billion galaxies are born
In the vapour of Your breath the planets form
If the stars were made to worship so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You’ve made
Every burning star
A signal fire of grace
If creation sings Your praises so will I
VERSE 2
God of Your promise
You don’t speak in vain
No syllable empty or void
For once You have spoken
All nature and science
Follow the sound of Your voice
CHORUS 2
And as You speak
A hundred billion creatures catch Your breath
Evolving in pursuit of what You said
If it all reveals Your nature so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You say
Every painted sky
A canvas of Your grace
If creation still obeys You so will I
BRIDGE
If the stars were made to worship so will I
If the mountains bow in reverence so will I
If the oceans roar Your greatness so will I
For if everything exists to lift You high so will I
If the wind goes where You send it so will I
If the rocks cry out in silence so will I
If the sum of all our praises still falls shy
Then we’ll sing again a hundred billion timesVERSE 3
God of salvation
You chased down my heart
Through all of my failure and pride
On a hill You created
The light of the world
Abandoned in darkness to die
CHORUS 3
And as You speak
A hundred billion failures disappear
Where You lost Your life so I could find it here
If You left the grave behind You so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You’ve done
Every part designed in a work of art called love
If You gladly chose surrender so will I
I can see Your heart
Eight billion different ways
Every precious one
A child You died to save
If You gave Your life to love them so will I
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@3RU7AL
I can detect reality, and it is actually throug detecting reality that I can strongly make the claim that it is logical to believe that there is undetected reality.
What's the alternative? Outright denying the reality of your experience.
And if you are having an experience at all, you are detecting some form of reality.
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@disgusted
You don't even believe in The Truth, because you deny God, and that is what God means.
And in the context of what I'm posting, I am showing real biblical evidences that God as described in the bible has total influence over what happens. This evidence is obviously not directed at you, because you don't really believe anything except yourself.
The Ultimate Reality is what God means. If you deny God, you admit you are playing the part of the fool. You, after all, are saying that there is no truth.
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@disgusted
I don't care about anything you've said. You are superstitious.
And The Ultimate Reality is not contingent on humans to exist. If that was the case. It wouldn't be The Ultimate Reality.
There is no reality without God, so either you do believe God exists or you are just saying what you think sounds convincing.
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@Goldtop
You are arguing against God, not me. My so called "authority" is irrelevant. You want to argue me because I make a better straw man than God.
You already lost because you are arguing against God.
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@disgusted
"All men are liars, you therefore are lying."
Your entire position is that you are lying, that everything is a lie. You are denying truth itself, which means everything you say is a lie.
So how are we different?
The Truth is above us. You deny The Truth.
You are not arguing against me, you are arguing against God. You already lost.
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@disgusted
I don't believe in gods, I believe in God.
The Absolute Truth being God.
So if you are going to say that you don't accept reality because horrible things happen, what does that make you?
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@Goldtop
No one needs to prove that there is truth. You don't believe in truth, so personal whim is your evidence.
You are crazy.
You don't have to be crazy though, you can turn away from your wickedness and confess The Truth.
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@Goldtop
Your position is, "The Truth is a LIE!"
You are crazy.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Sorry, let me better address your post...
You are right in that it is better to say,
"Believing in God has nothing to do with being or joining a religious group"
But you also say...
"100% of the theists on this site correctly picked / joined / the right religious group. ( correct, right . religious group means the one that is 100% correct.)"
There is no religious group that is 100% correct, and it is the Christian teaching that only God is 100% correct. That even all the righteousness of man or mankind amounts to nothing compared to God. That God is The Truth, and all men are liars.
Which is the obvious truth.
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@Goldtop
Your position is that there is no ultimate reality, which means you don't even believe what you say is true.
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@bsh1
I think it is right of you not to make a list. The people asking for a list may or may not be aware that their intentions are no good.
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@Plisken
Who cares? His accusation can be discredited easily because his premise is that the truth is a lie. This is a dead tree. You already know and said. Anyone who takes him or his claims seriously at this point is deceived as he is. The Truth is plain to see.
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You can't tell me that someone watching their mother burn to death isn't getting sucker punched by physics.
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@Paul
Do you know what it is that makes you interested in these things?
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@Goldtop
You not being able to make sense of what I say doesn't mean that my words are "word salad" or that "there is no meaning to my words at all".
They don't mean anything to you, amd the reason they don't mean anything to you is because nothing has meaning when you say, "The Truth is A LIE!"
You are clearly the mad fumbler here. You would be better off recognizing your error and confessing The Truth.
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@Goldtop
Have mercy on those who are foolish enough to say, "There is no Ultimate Reality."
They are children. They don't know what they are saying. Be nice.
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@Goldtop
These are certainly examples of How God is looked at. These are subsumed, see?
But they are not exhaustive.
Try again mad fumbler, or join the realm of sanity by admitting God exists.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Yes, I would say my argument is also a legitimate Muslim post. Because even if we understand things differently and have diverse cultures and expressions, God is written on the hearts of all. We recognize The Ultimate Reality as being God.
I can't speak for all of any group at all, but the argument would be a legitimate argument for the monotheistic God. This is the God of my faith, certainly. The God of us all. No one exists without this God. Everything exists because of this God.
But at the end of all the law and the prophets is that God is salvation, not these created things.
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@Goldtop
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: such asa : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universeb Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of realityAs we can easily see by the actual definition in Merriam's, the author dishonestly left out the rest of the definition, which shows something different than what he is claiming.
This is my favorite argument to refute by the way, which is the real reason I "left out the rest of the definition".
"A lightface colon following a definition and immediately preceding two or more subsenses indicates that the subsenses are subsumed by the preceding definition:
2crunch noun . . . 3 : a tight or critical situation: as a : a critical point in the buildup of pressure between opposing elements . . . b : a severe economic squeeze . . . c : SHORTAGE
se·quoia . . . noun . . . :either of two huge coniferous California trees of the bald cypress family that may reach a height of over 300 feet (90 meters): a :GIANT SEQUOIA b :REDWOOD 3aThe word as may or may not follow the lightface colon. Its presence (as at 2 crunch) indicates that the following subsenses are typical or significant examples. Its absence (as at sequoia) indicates that the subsenses which follow are exhaustive."
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This, in case you don't know, is an instruction on how to use the dictionary.
Here is a definition
Subsume - to include or place within something larger or more comprehensive :encompass as a subordinate or component element <red, green, and yellow are subsumed under the term“color”>"
In other words, the part you claim I left are not essential to the definition, simply are examples.
And certainly, deapite this, it can be said that God is worshipped as the crearor and ruler of The Universe.
The Ultimate Reality is God.
And being The Ultimate Reality, your unwillingness to accept this has absolutely no bearing on The Ultimate Reality.
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@disgusted
You aren't arguing against me, you are arguing against God. What part of this implies that I am God?
You're deflecting like the mad fumbler you are. Keep shouting from the rooftops, "The truth is a lie!".
You are crazy.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Belonging to a group has nothing to do with believing in God.
Sound Christian theology teaches relationship to The Truth and Truth worship. I can't guarantee that whatever group of Christians you encounter teaches this. Anyone can start a church.
Relationship with God is personal. Someone can't do it for you.
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@janesix
I gotcha.
You are right, the matter is confusing. Just as there are a lot of claims "This is the truth!" So are claims about God.
There are a lot of people who say, "this is reality, this is truth, this is the way it is". Disputing these assertions is one thing, but it is patently ridiculous to deny reality itself. Truth itself. That there is a way it truly is.
So I completely understand why someone might deny God, their understanding of the concept being burdened by superstition. So it is my position that most atheists who deny the existence of God are not aware of what the concept actually means. The kind of people who know what it is they are denying? I would say they have adopted an insane position.
So yeah, you are perhaps right. It isn't obvious. Not if you aren't aware of what the concept means.
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@janesix
Atheism towards God. is a position of ignorance.
You deny gods, not God. If you deny God you are a fool.
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@janesix
See OP, and if you can't figure it out, feel free to join the rest of the mad fumblers.
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@janesix
If you can't accept that there is reality as it truly is, there is something wrong with you I can't fix.
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@Stronn
It most certainly gets you to monotheism.
The Ultimate Reality.
By definition, 1.
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@ethang5
They aren't arguing with me at this point, they are arguing with God. That makes them extra foolish.
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@Stronn
@Stephen
@Deb-8-a-bull
@disgusted
More fumblings of madmen, unwilling to accept the most simple and obvious thing... that God at the very least EXISTS..
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@Deb-8-a-bull
A religious group is a created thing. The Ultimate Reality is not a created thing.
My faith is in that Uncreated One.
You can't tell the difference, which is why you are confused. That doesn't mean you aren't capable of telling the difference.
The Ultimate Reality. Accept it.
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@Goldtop
@Deb-8-a-bull
As I said.
No argument whatsoever that can stand.
All we got are the fumblings of madmen.
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Dehumanize.
They are no longer people, they are lice. They are cigarettes. It's time to quit smoking.
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According to Merriam-webster...
"1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"
To say that God doesn't exist is like saying, "It is true that there is no truth". Clearly self defeating.
To demand proof for God is like saying, "Prove to me that it is true that there is truth.". Clearly an unreasonable request.
In fact, if you say there is no God, you are denying all truths, because if there is no ultimate reality, there is nothing that makes anything real.
So since there is reality, there must be reality as it truly and ultimately is. This is what God means.
So let it be known that atheism at its core is a denial of reality, and for that reason no argument with the premise "God doesn't exist" can be accepted as even possibly being valid. You can't make claims about reality while simultaneously denying that there is reality.
There is no argument against the ultimate reality.
And this is why it is not written in vain,
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
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@keithprosser
These things that swim around in the mind are indeed physical. Physics is the study of causaility. The things that swim around in the mind clearly are causaliy linked to the rest of the physical world.
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