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Everyone who is alive has performed all the necessary scientific experiments to prove conclusively that The Truth is real, that there is Supreme Reality.

As The Truth is God, it would be ridiculous for me to require further evidence.

Prove to me it is true that there is such a thing as proof!

It even sounds stupid.

This is why I don't believe most God deniers understand what it is they are saying is nonexistent. You can't say, "Existence doesn't exist". This is stupid.


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Christians are not obligated to practice Jewish customs. Some Christians do. Jewish Christians also tend to follow the Jewish customs.

It is understood even in the new testament that homosexuality is a symptom of worshipping the creature rather than the creator. It is a symptom of idolatry.

What is idolatry? That which you let get in the way of being honest about what is true. Making something else more important than God.
Never recognizing that The Truth is God, instead prefering to turn God into created things.. .

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
 

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@vagabond
Because The Ultimate Reality determines what is reality.

It is reality that you live. You only live by the will of God. Your life is a smoke, a vapor, and for you to deny your God amounts to little more than foolish posturing. You cannot overthrow God. Your entire life is known by God. It was known before you were born.

You are utterly insignificant, and to think that through madness you can somehow usurp God is clear delusion.


So it would be better for you to turn away from your wickedness and embrace The Truth, your only salvation.
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@vagabond
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

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@vagabond
@Willows
Even if you deny The Ultimate Reality having aupreme authority over your life, it does change the fact that this is your God.
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@Willows
Oxford says "Supreme Being"

Merriam Webster says "The Supreme or Ultimate Reality"

Means the same thing.



The Truth
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What Is The Bible?
I am saying that The Truth is God..

You are the one saying The Bible is God, not me.

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Not scared of dying. Fear doesn't come from loving The Truth. Love perfected casts out all fear.
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If a truth dies, does The Truth die?

Of course not.

So is the resurrection of the dead.


"All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever."

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

"Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that yelove one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."

"Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

Abide in THE TRUTH.







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The bible is a collection of writings collected over the span of a period in history documenting the struggles of a people's relationship with God, who is The Ultimate Reality.

If you actually knew anything about the bible, you'd realize that the people that the book chronicles suffered a great deal sorting through their own bullshit and superstition.

Israel are the people who struggle with God.

But instead, you presume to understand the texts because you might have read a few things that you thought were ridiculous, so you throw the whole thing out. You might be turned away by the crazy people you see who claim to get their madness from scripture. Well, I am telling you, even if you choose to reject what I'm telling you, that there is more going on here with this bible than you likely care to understand.

So let me ask you this. If the bible is totally bullshit and nothing can be gained from it... How is it that from studying scripture for years I have come to realize that The Truth is God, that The Ultimate Reality is God; that true religion is to love this God with every fiber of my being with sincerity and to show charity to others?

Clearly if this is what I and many before me, along with many after me are going to get, how can you dismiss this as a bad thing?

Your hatred comes out of ignorance, yet Jesus in the bible says to his crucifiers, "Forgive them, they know not what they do", to "bless those who curse you", and to show charity to all men with hope that they too will snap out of their delusions and come to love THE TRUTH.

Meanwhile, what are you doing? You are hating your enemies, mocking, scoffing, blinded by pride in yourself.

Well I tell you, The Way is better than your way. The Truth is greater than you or I, and The Truth is what sets the captive free.








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@vagabond
You say it is an unsupported claim, but thousands of years worth of theology, scripture, and even the most well respectes dictionaries beg to differ.

The Truth is literally God.

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@vagabond
The difference between The Truth and the the truth is...

The Truth I am refering to here is The Ultimate reality.


Contrasted with a truth or truths, like "The truth is that Donald Trump is the president of The United States."


One truth is only true for a season or true because of other facts, but The Truth is noncontingent and eternal.

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@EtrnlVw
I am serene, they can try their worst.
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@Willows

The only God is The Ultimate Reality.

You are making an error when you try to date the origin of this God to created things.
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@vagabond
Why don't you move to an inner city ghetto and find out for yourself.
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"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."


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@Willows
I certainly did address your topic.

Love of The Truth is True Religion, and Augustine's work bearing that name says the exact same thing that I am telling you, that True Religion has always been, and in the time of Augustine it took the name of Christianity. Keep in mind that this man is acknowledged as a father of the church and a saint, so it would be ridiculous to say his position is not a Christian one.

Even the most primitive of people understood that keeping it real is the best policy.

You say The Truth is evil, but The Truth is clearly the greatest good. And there is no greater evil than to willingly embrace delusion over The Truth.

There is no argument against The Truth, and there is no amount of insulting me or my intelligence that will make your position any stronger.

Maybe you should adopt an attitude of charity instead of mocking those you see as mentally deficient. 

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@EtrnlVw
I appreciate any help. I am trying my best to be lucid and easy to understand.

Really, all I can think of is that the very idea of a truth or reality is nonsensical unless The Truth exists.

See, without The Truth, there are no truths. Of course, the idea that there are no truths is easily proven false simply by existing.

So believe me, it is my intention to be as clear as possible. My goal here is to demystify, not confuse.



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God is God.

The Truth is The Truth.

The way the name is understood in theology is actually very similar to that tao te ching verse you quoted earlier which is sometimes translated as "The name that can be named is not the eternal name"

The eternal name being, not a name that is grasped or understood by intellect.


The Ultimate Reality? It is what it is.

Keep in mind that this is God speaking, so ot needs to be interpreted with that context.

The Ultimate Reality apon being asked for a name responds "I Am That I Am"

Even with the words that I am using, it is impossible totally communicate the essence of God, because we are describing that which is fundamentally uncreated through the medium of creation. There is no other way, as we are created beings.


The name means God is The Supreme Being. Eternal and All Pervasive Existence 







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@mookestink
E-prime literally removes the equal sign from language.

The word "is" happens to be the English equivilent of the equal sign.

Not sure I understand your question though.

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@EtrnlVw
I already know you wouldn't say that, I apologize if it came off that way. I was speaking in a general sense. Not you personally, but universally.
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@EtrnlVw
If you don't accept that God is the ultimate reality, there is an inconsistency between your definition of God and thousands of years of writing about God.

Theologians do not always agree with each other.  They do not always believe the same things. It is not up for debate that God means The Ultimate Reality. Theologians have different beliefs about what the ultimate reality is, but they do not dispute that this is what God means.

See, the thing is, and I know how obnoxious this is to someone who puts their faith in knowledge and understanding, but everybody is wrong. If this wasn't the case, God wouldn't be what God is.

So I am not saying that if you deny God that you are. denying that truth and reality exists. I'm saying that this is what your words mean, even if this is not what you believe.

If you believe that ultimate reality exists, but deny God, you are recognizing God but refusing to acknowledge God as God.
What does scripture say this leads to?


"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."



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@drafterman
If you believe that the ultimate reality is the sum of all things true, you still believe the ultimate. reality. You believe God exists.


You believe God differently than I do, or at least think you do
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@drafterman
The Ultimate Reality Exists, and that is its essence. Existence is the essence of The Truth.
Obviously, if it doesn't exist, it isn't The Truth.

So I'm not talking about something that soley exists in consciousness.
In that sense, I am not sure we are actually in disagreement.

I think you think The Truth is simply an essence and not That Which Exists Eternally. 

Sure, if you think that The Truth is simply the sum of all truths, you could say that is how you understand God. I would still say that God is greater than the sum of all truths.

Is an automobile greater than the sum of its parts?







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@drafterman
It is ok if we have to talk it out for the sake of clarity. This after all, one of the goals of GOOD debate. Edification through a mutual striving for truth. 

I would not say that The Truth is the sum total of all things that are true, it is definitely greater than this. 

Things are not true unless The Truth is in it. So The Truth precedes truth. If something is true at all, the truth that is in it comes from The Truth. For that reason, truths don't build up to The Truth. The Truth is the ground that truths build on.

I think the best I can explain the difference is.. think of a truth as being like The Truth after processing and filtering. A truth is an abstraction from The Truth. The difference between an apple and apple sauce. Or maybe an apple and an apple seed. Or maybe an apple and a picture of an apple? These are probably not the best metaphors. It is really the difference between Existence Itself and an existent thing. The sum of all existent things does not make Existence Itself, but the essence of Existence Itself is in every existent thing.

The Truth is what is Ultimately and Eternally Reality. 

If you believe in truths at all you must necessarily also believe in The Truth.







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@drafterman
Yes, I am talking about The Ultimate Reality. The way things actually are.And now we are actually talking about that so we can somewhere.

You are correct in that when I say, "The Truth" does not mean "all things that are true". Yet, if something is true, it is only because The Truth is in it. Just as there is no reality without The Ultimate Reality.
So when I say The Truth, I am saying "The Ultimate Reality".

You are right to say that science, at least good science, is guided by a pursuit of ultimate reality, but it is impossible for science to ever totally know the ultimate reality.

Take 2 rocks, you have 2 rocks right? 1 + 1 equals 2, right? But closer examination of these rocks reveals that they are not exactly the same. They are difference. So 1 =/= 1?

Physicists notived this and broke things down to atoms. They found that no 2 atoms are the same, so then they came up with isotopes. It has been found that no matter how far you break things down, no two observable phenomina are exactly the same. It has been found that the limits to our observation has a great deal to do with how light bends. There is a theoretical smallest possible object, but this is theoretical, and not science. It is entirely possible that there are in fact no limits to how small things can get. We don't really know, but moving on to the point...

The reason we have these problems is that we are dealing with representations of reality rather than reality itself. 

Bell's theorem shows us that it is impossible to totally isolate all variables and eliminate probabilities from our physics. There are literally objects on the opposite side of the universe effecting what is going on here right now, and faster than light. Not only that, but there may be objects in the future effecting what is going on now backwards in time. All this makes the idea of having a perfect knowledge of what is going on totally absurd, but to even hammer this further...

The quantum no cloning theorem shows that information cannot be perfectly cloned.

When we are dealing with knowledge, we are dealing with representations of reality rather than reality itself.


And so the point being, to have perfect knowledge of the ultimate reality, you would have to be the ultimate reality, and there can by definition only be one ultimate reality.

Science can only get so far as an image of the ultimate reality.


And this perfect image we can have in man is known in Christian theology as the son in the trilogy, the father of course being the ultimate reality, and the holy spirit the spirit of truth, all three of these of the same essence in 1 point to in creation The Ultimate Reality as it truly is, beyond names that can be named, because it simply is what it is. The Truth Itself.

But that is Christian theology, which is true. See, Christianity acknowledges this in its theology, because Christianity acknowledges the absurdity of expressing what is fundamentally uncreated through the medium of creation the best as it is built into the scriptures and its theology.

So the point of true religion is relationship with the ultimate reality, and this is done through sincere faith and charity. 

In the end, the discipline of loving God above all else and showing charity brings one closer in heart to God. It stands to reason that this makes one a more rational, loving, happy, and peaceful person, which is true.
See, the faith is not in understanding, knowledge, or any created thing.. it is in God and our relationship to God.


But whether or not you are a disciple of God, to be adopted as a son by God, it is still no great thing to acknowledge that God at the very least most certainly exists. Even if you don't make The Truth your God, The Truth still has all authority over your life, and The Truth is God. To surrender to this is to accept reality. To fight it is to willingly prefer delusion to The Truth.

So no, the. existence of God is not even really up for debate. God certainly exists, and being uncertain of this is always a matter of mistaken identity.

How much love it takes to willingly go to execution and even torture in order to spread the good news that The Truth is what sets you free? That hey, it's never too late to do the right thing? That peace and happiness comes from loving God and one another?

Yet even now, there are people who make them enemies to the cause, prefering those who want to chop their heads off, or those who have sacrificed truth for the sake of hedonism. Salvation is only with God.

Pardon my pontificating, I hope you get what I'm trying to say.

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@drafterman
I already told you I'm not interested in debating the ethics of fornication.

I absolutely cannot condone sex outside of marriage. 


You understanding fornication is not relevent to you understanding that The Truth is God. 

If you being unable to reasonably accept that fornication is bad gets in the way of you accepting that The Truth is God, as I said, you've answered your own question.


If you can't accept God because you are trying to justify something, what does that say about where your heart is? You are demonstrating through your persistence on this question how these things get in the way of loving truth.

There are many people who reject God because they don't like being told that the things they are doing are wrong. As the scriptures say,

" And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful."


So answer me this, is this one little issue you have really all it takes for you to reject The Truth as God? I am telling you that you can still believe that God exists and be wrong about other things.

As a human being, you are absolutely wrong, and that is a fundamental of my faith. That we all fall short of the glory of God and are guilty of sin. Let God be true, and all men liars.

But see, you are made right through The Truth, because it isn't you that is right, it is The Truth. By grace, through faith.





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@vagabond
Where was The Truth before you denied its existence?
The same place it is now, and the same place it will be even after your life dissipates into nothing like the vapor it is.

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@Willows
Even St Augustine acknowledges that true religion existed since the beginning of man, and was simply known as Christianity in his day.

My religion wasn't devised, which is why I say you don't understand it. 

Sure, the Christian cultural tradition was created at a time and date, but the True Religion that underlies it, the spirit of it, has always been.


And what is that True Religion but relationship with The Truth as God?


No, you don't understand my faith.

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@Smithereens
Well, I'm just telling you what I have personally seen happen. They both did a lot at once. I would call it an overdose for sure.

If I, not being a doctor, were to diagnose them as anything it would be permafried.


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@vagabond
The Truth is not created by man.
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@drafterman
They are not the same. In one instance you are not married, the other instance you are.

I'm not interested in debating the ethics of fornication to you. I think the fact this is your hang up says a lot about where your heart is.

What does this have to do with The Truth being God? Nothing.


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I know  at least 3 people who are perma fried from doing too much acid. 1 of them pretty much speaks in grunts and giggles, only speaking very seldomly and in simple sentences. I know another who pretty much walks around, moves his mouth and hands as if he was speaking. I knew both of these people before they became messed up. You used to be able to hold conversations with them.

I've done enough of it myself to know it isn't totally harmless. 

I used to babysit parties of people on acid after tripping earlier in the day. I am very familiar with the stuff, among other drugs. I used to do a lot of drugs, and was pretty responsible about it too. I also did a lot of research chemicals. 

I think people are better off staying away from them, and I would even say that about drugs that are prescribed by doctors.


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@mookestink
I don't think corrupting works that were written making use of the is of identity into something that doesn't in order to satisfy a relativistic fetish is necessary or desirable. Not only that, but I find it incredibly offensive.


I will gladly discuss God with you in e-prime as an experiment. Maybe in a form of question and answer?

How would you even start such a conversation?

I will start talking in e-prime when you first engage me.
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@Greyparrot
The Truth is God.

That being the case, you are very off the mark.
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@drafterman
This is certainly what I believe. No, it is not good to have sex outside of marriage. You both did right by marrying. I would say that you both become married when you had intercourse, and the marriage was officially validated when you both went through with marriage.


Would I encourage intercourse before marriage? Certainly not. There are plenty of fiends who will lie in order to sleep with a woman, telling them that they will stay only to leave them and an orphan behind. It would be wrong of me to encourage fornication.


You and your wife are married now. That was the right thing to do.

But there is something else you really need to get about what I am saying. You believing in God does not mean you believe the same things I believe about God. Mohammedians believe in God. Vedantists believe in God. It's the same God, The Ultimate Reality.

So you believing The Ultimate Reality exists doesn't imply that you belong to a particular religious tradition.


I am a Christian. I am educated as a Christian. I am involved in the church. I believe in my religion. I would be happy to teach you if that is what you wanted.

I am telling you that The Truth is the meaning of The One God, and that is what I'd really like to see you walk away with. Atheism towards this God is foolishness.


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@drafterman
You both did the right thing.
In fact, that is actually the biblical prescription for if this circumstance takes place.

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If you interpret loving your neighbor as yourself, how does it follow that you give them everything? You don't even love yourself enough to have your stuff, so how does it follow that you give it all to them?

How would you like it if someone gave you all their stuff? What if you don't have enough room?

Maybe instead of giving all your stuff to someone who might not even want all your stuff, you should be willing to share?

Really though, your happiness and wealth shouldn't be in material things store for yourself treasure in heaven. Give people charity, and Truth with mercy.





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@drafterman
If you are unwilling to accept God because you personally don't think fornication is a sin....

Well you have your example.
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@drafterman
Well, what is it a symptom of? Lust.

When you are being controlled by lust, it is going to effect your sincerity in the sense that even if you were to strive for integrity, you have this lust effecting your judgment. You end up becoming a slave to this lust. It is truth in relation to the fulfillment of this lust rather than truth itself.

Someone who is addicted to something is going to compromise what is right and good to do in order to satisfy that addiction, and they will come up with all sorts of rationale to justify continuing in their addiction. This is most easily observed in the abuse of substances, but it is not exclusive to drug or alcohol abuse 

Sexual immorality is harmful. This can be witnessed. It makes people callous towards eachother. It cheapens relationships. It harms children. It leads to slavery. It spreads disease. It objectifies people. It's not healthy for the individual or society.

So if you really love your people, why would you do what is harmful to them? Only to satisfy a lust. And feeding into lust harms the self because it draws you further and further away, making it harder and harder to break free. Besides that, you are involving another party, and by fornicating with them, you are harming them in the same way you are harming yourself.

But believe me, there are many haughty people who have been humbled after going on for years thinking that their lusts have no control over them and do not effect their minds and souls. It is easy to get haughty. Turn a drink into medicine, turn a fling into casual entertainment. These are all idols before God, and there is nothing in them that will bring a lasting happiness.

Make God yournpeace, God your happiness. Build on the rock, not sand.



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Simply making the accusation makes the accusers look racist. 
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@drafterman
Why are you having sex outside of marriage?
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@drafterman
These things are symptoms of idolotry, which is worshipping the creature rather than the creator. Idolatries get in the way of being sincere towards the truth. 

These activities come from slavery to lust, and they are incredibly destructive on both a personal and societal level. The orphans are multiplying, disease of the heart, mind and body is multiplying, and the love of many is waxing cold.



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True Religion is to love the Truth with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, to love your neighbor as yourself, and to live in charity.

The letter kills, but the spirit brings life. True Religion has been with us since the beginning.


And I most certainly am a Christian who knows with a surety that you do not understand my faith.
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@drafterman
Falling short.

The easiest way this can be denonstrated... have you ever been wrong about anything? Have you ever been surprised? Have you ever learned anything?

The reality that we experience is not The Ultimate Reality. But we have our relationship with The Ultimate Reality through the reality we experience.

And that is The Trinity.

Our relationship to The Truth guided by the spirit of truth through the most perfect image of The Truth.








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The Truth by definition exists. The Truth is God.

This isn't fake news.


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The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God.

What does that mean?

You aren't even as real as God. You didn't exist before you were born. You will be nonexistent after you die.


The Truth will always be there.


Your declaration that God doesn't exist is  the vain posturing of one who abides in death.

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@drafterman
God's wrath certainly is a poetic way of describing what happens when people all turn over to idle wickedness and allow their society to self destruct.
God's wrath is certainly a poetic way of describing calamity.

It's kind of like the will of God is a way of describing what actually happens.

Or the hand of God being used to describe God's influence or action in the world.


Nobody actually believes that God has hands in the human sense except for the most superstitious, and none of those people are educated.

And there are a lot of things that you probably believe that fall into this category of the superstitions of the uneducated. The bible tells us to show those people charity, and guide them with mercy and truth, not take their faith and smash it against the ground.

But believe me, all this stuff is in the bible. You see stuff you don't think is right going on in the church? Odds are, there is some kind of prophesy that outright says it is going to be this way.

So there is no need to be alarmed. This is the working environment.


What is important to realize is the heart of the faith. Which is that God is The Truth, The Truth is the savior, and The Truth is Lord. If you love The Truth, then show charity to others as you yourself have been shown charity.


And if you think you've had it so rough that no one has ever shown you charity, just remember that at one point someone had to wipe your tush and feed you when you were too inept to even move to the other side of the room.

So admitting that we have sin is admitting that we are wrong. Righteousness only comes from God, as God is righteousness. Righteousness is Truth. 


But this is the good news. God has forgiven you. Now pass it on and forgive others. The Truth is what sets you free. Be honest. Do things the right way. Live for the truth. Not the satisfying of the lusts of mind and flesh, which are all vanity. Find peace in God. Not only will you have a better time on this planet, but so will the world around you. 

If your fortress is God, peace can be found even in the most trying of circumstance. A world that loves darkness will do everything it can to stomp out the light, because the works of darkness are the works of wickedness, and these are not works based in Truth.






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@vagabond
Oxford says "Supreme Being"

Merriam Webster says "The Supreme and/or Ultimate Reality"

Ancient theologians use these same terms.


You are clearly the one using the wrong definitions. 

The Truth is God, and this is no innovation of my own, there is thousands of years of tradition backing me up.

So you are clearly wrong. There is no shame in being wrong, but there is shame in being stubborn in one's error.

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