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I don't care. I only care when they do it as a way to prove something as opposed to just hiring the best actor for the job. Or just doing what is best for the story. I am not an anime fan though. I did like that L in death note became black for the movie though
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And I have even had that old weary chestnut throw at me that - "to understand the bible one has to know and have studied ancient Hebrew or Greek languages".
You can't even really appreciate the Iliad without studying Greek. You miss a lot. The work isn't perfectly translatable.
Here is what I do. Say you have a paragraph in the Iliad . Take the first paragraph. I will study every word in that paragraph and the full context of each word and it's implications many of which if not lost in translation can actually be lost to time so you have to do your best to study historical context as well.
I wouldn't say not studying Greek would make the Iliad pointless to read, but you aren't going to be able to appreciate a lot of the nuances as well as somebody who does.
I'd actually recommend those digging deep into christian theology to study Latin as well. There are a lot of old texts you won't appreciate without knowing Latin, which isn't even as hard as Greek or ancient Hebrew to learn
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@ADreamOfLiberty
As some people are learning in the real world the hard way, there is no set of rules that can't be warped by a sufficiently dishonest judge (or mod). You have no choice but to trust them regardless, the reason to put the rules in precise language is so abuse is obvious and demonstrable
I can tell you, I am in the mod chat and I am that balance. I have a different philosophy as them so it group think is not going to take over. Ramshutu despite being the opposite of me politically also has a different ideal of correct modding philosophy than me and the current mod team and he was invited for that reason.
I have had some mild disagreements with ramshutu in the form of heated discussions in threads. I have been permabanned partially due to Barney's influence and have been banned under whiteflames leadership. So the mods have not surrounded themselves in an echo chamber where they can get away with making decisions that most portions of the community would object to. If anyone doesn't trust whiteflame, Barney or the other mods, they should trust that me and/or Ramshutu will not just sit back and watch the mods abuse the rules without being a real pain in the ass for them. The next presidential election people should really think about their vote. It should be somebody that shares their philosophy yes, but more importantly they should elect somebody who can accomplish 2 things.
1. Be the type of person the moderators will respect,
2. Be somebody who has a backbone and will stand up for what they believe in
If people want to keep this site fair, it is up to them to elect a voice for them that will make sure the COC is enforced correctly and remains fair. The current COC legimately has rules against wrong think in it, and to the moderation team under whiteflame's leadership it has ignored parts of the COC that can be interpreted that way. I will say though that if you look at former users such as MGTOWdemon, they have been banned for wrong think. I was previously banned for wrong think, under previous leadership you (a dream of liberty) would have been banned for wrong think. So I think removing links to the ADL and referrances to hate speech in the COC is very important as in adding the language about the COC stating that no topic is taboo, and this also takes care of the "respect" element so that way people can actually debate here and not just have their opinions shouted down with insults, not that insults are completely off the table.
Words on paper won't accomplish what we want alone, however the site's leadership I would encourage to start molding the minds of new members so they know the expectations of a debate site, especially since if the next phase of my presidency is successful, we will be flooded with a lot of new members and they will outnumber the old members.
I appreciate you helping fight for this sort of liberty on the site ADOL. Hopefully you can remain active enough to take over the presidency when my term ends and can feel safe inviting your friends with similar interests to join this site.
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@Bella3sp
Let me clarify one restriction. I know most of Debateart doesn't engage in rap battles that diss one another, but its still something others may want to try. With these rules, dissing another with personal attacks would be considered 'wrong'. Unless there is a modification with this, it restricts engaging in rap battles freely.
The debate voting rules cover that rap battles are allowed and considered troll debates. This policy will still permit rap battles and the other COC also could be interpreted to ban them if not taken in the full context of voting rules etc. I just want to clarify so you can feel comfortable making rap battles should this pass, if you are inclined to do so
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@Greyparrot
He is also counting all gun deaths. Like gun deaths as a result of killing somebody who is trying to stab you is fine. I am cool with that gun death
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@Ramshutu
I will count that as a yay because Ii am not pedantic
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@Double_R
Equalizer... As in everybody gets to be just as dangerous, which will make everyone safer.
Seeing as how most criminals are youngales who can easily defeat everyone not in that demographic in physical combat, why not make people harder to victimize?
What's wrong with people being harder to victimize?
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@Double_R
Are you seriously comparing laws prohibiting financial fraud to slavery?
Of course not. But you implied that political leaders should follow the law, which I happen to disagree with
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@b9_ntt
So double R asked me if I preferred a government that disregarded laws and I basically communicated yes as long as the laws are unjust.
Then you stated no law in the United States exists that is as bad as the one allowing slavery.
I may have extrapolated more from your statement than I should have. I agree with your statement but thought you were implying based on my conversation that since no law is that terrible than the laws should be obeyed. Was I wrong to think that?
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@Athias
Although there is a lot of issues with the DSM5 I wouldn't call identifying negative impacts on a person's life as subjective. It basically comes down to if you feel like something is causing you distress than it is. If OCD is making you more productive at work with no negative side effects than it is not a mental illness, if it causes you high anxiety and for you to wash your hands until your skin is completely removed than it is a mental illness.
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@b9_ntt
Are you differentiating between unjust laws that should be followed and unjust laws that shouldn't be followed? If so how do you know where the precise point of thee line is between obey and not obey?
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@b9_ntt
There is no comparable law now.
Is it your claim that there are zero unfair laws?
They need something much stronger to justify civil war.
Here's a little secret they don't teach in the history books. Revolution always comes from the top down. Whenever certain members of the boys club want to take others out of power, it will happen.
Here's another secret. Nobody rebels when they are well fed and Americans are the fattest people on earth.
Have you not even noticed what is going on at voting precincts? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/06/steve-bannon-election-takeover-precinct-strategy
That's one of several positionings that are occurring simultaneously, and Ron desantis is not Trump. He actually is politically savvy. The civil war has already begun.
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@Greyparrot
Don't respond to him please...ty
Okay sorry. It is so tempting though
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I would love a divorce from red states. The red states are essentially welfare states
Easy peazy. Go live in Venezuela. They have the policies of Democrats without the right slowing them down
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So you admit it is a number higher than zero
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@Greyparrot
So awesome that basically every wealthy liberal there is unconsciously following the Butler Plan to get away from the madness.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The only chance to avoid full civil war is a fizzled cultural revolution ASAP or peaceful divorce. Further violence is unavoidable, but it could be minimized by restoring the balance of fear.
The only reason the left never suggests divorce is because they know what happens to leftist countries sub consciously. We all know Venezuela and north Korea exist.
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@FLRW
That's an odd statement to make from the comedian.not sure why they would make such a transparent lie. The accusation of Biden shitting himself on the other hand was a rumor floating around the Vatican by several people. So odd that when somebody is seen doing something embarrassing some idiot just randomly tries to go "derp trump did it"
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@Double_R
You're trying to refute a real life issue with a hypothetical
We need to consider if option a is removed from these people what they will logically do instead. I know it is easy to go guns bad let's remove them, but we need to think through the likely consequences of doing so and since they have yet to be banned like you advocate than we only have hypotheticals to consider.
Is it your position that every woman who goes out jogging should be carrying a gun on them?
No, that enough should so that potential rapers have to be willing to chance losing their life before making the decision, which will also keep the 90% not carrying safe as well.
If yes, can you please explain how the prevalence of a dangerous product makes society safer?
It's an equalizer between extremely weak people and strong people. It is also a bit of an equalizer from future Nazi like governments. It is also an equalizer in dangerous Alaskan territory and other areas against bears and elk who can defeat humans in fair fights.
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@Double_R
You mean a government that follows the rule of law?
Do you think the government was right to enforce laws allowing slavery?
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@ludofl3x
Where the fuck do you see multiple women out for their morning jog with a GUN on them?
I would assume they aren't open carrying.
the easiest solution to having a small dick and living in fear of everyone around you finding out is more important than someone else's dead loved ones. At least then all the cards are on the table.
Are you a rapist?
Serious question because I am very concerned about why you want soft targets like females and the elderly to be completely defenseless.
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@Athias
I believe I pointed out that an abnormal behavior is only considered a mental illness when it is followed by negative life consequences. You then went on to say that being rejected is a behavior and then you went into depression which is not a behavior whether it is classified as a mental illness or not. I think our communication with each other hasn't been clear and my method for clearing up misunderstandings is apparently not very good
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@Double_R
Why would you compare accidental deaths to lives saved?
To evaluate the cost benefit analysis of owning a gun
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@Double_R
No thanks, I'm not a mass murderer
How would that stop you from using logic? Just use logic and then extrapolate from that about the decision making of others. It is a way to gain a sort of empathy.
Would you seriously argue that a product designed to kill someone is less effective at killing someone than an product designed for cooking?
Ban guns and then what? Women jogging just have to accept being raped because they don't have a gun as an equalizer? Women are weak. I am not kidding about that. Even women that are professional athletes are usually overpowered by a 6ft tall out of shape 50 year old man. I don't want my wife to have a complete inability to fight back ever. I don't want my mother or sister to be helpless either.
Guns are more effective at killing their potential rapists, which is the point.
Won't work at what? Stopping 100% of all deaths which would have resulted from a gun?
It won't work in making society safer overall. Besides the fact that getting a full gun ban is not even politically feasible not is it practical as zip guns are actually a real life thing as are 3 d printers and counterfeit guns.
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@Athias
Sadness and grief is not a behavior, it is something you experience.
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@Greyparrot
The funny thing is the right had all those people cleaned up with a little invention called mental institutions but the left thought they were unconstitutional and now they suffer on the street
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@FLRW
The other president's health is no laughing matter but here is the meeting where he is known to have pooped himself. https://youtu.be/WroZOfxsXE4
Unfortunately it was very public but it is absolute torture that the people close to Biden used his good name and have abused him in his dementia ridden state to get power. I hope the people who have abused Biden pay dearly.
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@FLRW
Doo Doo pants is a reference to incontinence issues that Biden is known to have. It isn't a euphemism for getting indicted . You would need to see trump as he ages develop the same types of incontinence issues as Biden has to start using the term on him
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https://www.thetrace.org/2022/12/accidental-shootings-cdc-data-children/
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549 people in a year die from unintentional firearm deaths. Less than 1% of fire arm deaths compared to the potential 70k people a year who would be severely victimized or murdered without a gun.
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You have refused to actually state how many accidental gun deaths occur a year compared to the 70k lives saved
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@Sidewalker
In terms of stats for how often they are used to defend, here are a few:
I already gave the stats for how often they are used to defend and linked an article with several citations. Estimates are at the Lower end 70k and at the higher end 2 million.
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@Intelligence_06
anti-racism is bad
Anti racism is bad.
Anti anything is almost always bad as a general rule. It shows they don't want racial equality or anything like that, otherwise they would be pro racial equality. There is a subtlety between pro racial equality and anti racist that may not be able to be picked up on by a non native English speaker. If you can pick up on the subtlety between the two concepts than I really applaud your language learning skills, but anti-racist and pro racial equality are two different things just as anti-war and pro-peace don't mean the same thing.
Mother Theresa was once asked to join an anti-war rally she told the protestors if they held a peace rally instead, she would gladly come. These subtleties that the language barely capture exist and are important to differentiate between the concepts
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@Sidewalker
Yeah, the only essential ingredient for fascism is victimhood, you think painting yourselves as victims of the meany left will get you your autocracy, you poor poor pitiful autocrat.
I'd prefer an autocrat over a totalitarian government we are heading towards
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Clearly this culture war won't end until somebody starts giving the left-tribe a taste of their own medicine
It's starting to happen fortunately. For the most part the right has decided there is stuff that the left does which is too ethical to do but they have been gloves off lately with things such as attacking corporations. It's why corporations have been doing all the woke shit, but fortunately these corporations are losing things like tax incentives due to republican governors not tolerating anything less than political neutrality.
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@TWS1405_2
Just ignore the known troll. I think he knows he is lying when he claims zero red states have red flag laws. Florida is a red state and has them as just one of at least 10 examples https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/red-flag-laws-states
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70000 is the low estimate by the way. The higher estimates are 1 to 2 million defensive gun uses. A lot of homicides are prevented in those gun uses as well as prevents of worse victimization had the defensive gun uses been taken away as an option. Obviously freedom to defend yourself is more important than the statistics but the statistics are not on the side of the population that wants to do what Hitler did and disarm the population.
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@Sidewalker
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/defensive-gun-use-data-good-guys-with-guns/
There are an estimated 70,000 defensive gun uses a year. Please provide statistics for accidental gun deaths.
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@Sidewalker
Yeah, the mantra of responsible gun ownership. that's BS and you know it.
Why is it BS to expect gun owners to be responsible?
The fact is, owning a gun does not make you and your family safer, it puts you and your family in much greater danger.
Okay good luck living in bear country with a 30 minute police response time without one.
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@Sidewalker
Give your feelings about it. You started the thread. Break this down for us.
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@Double_R
No one really knows because no one ever bothers to even try this, which is what makes it so strange that you keep coming back to this hypothetical which has no tie to reality.
It actually does though. If your goal is to kill as many people as humanly possible you would really go with a knife into a school instead of something that would get you a higher kill count such as mass poisonings? Just think about which strategy you would adopt if that is your goal and guns aren't available.
There US leads all developed nations on earth when it comes to gun deaths per Capita. Is it your position that gun ownership rates has little to do with this?
Obviously you need a gun to do that, but it isn't the root cause of why the violence was initiated to start with. I advocate we prevent violence altogether if we can without restricting freedom.
What is with this stupid talking point you've latched onto lately? Since when does disagreeing with you on guns equate to hating Americans and wanting them to die?
Because I am objectively correct that gun bans won't work and that we can address the root causes if we focus on them instead of disarming people from the government
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@Athias
Rejection, for example, can have a negative impact on someone's life, but that doesn't make it pathological. It doesn't make it an illness.
rejection is not abnormal behavior. It happens to an individual and is not caused by them.
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@Double_R
How are people out there seriously making this argument?Please show me the statistics on mass poisonings.
The goal of a mass shooter is to kill as many people as humanly possible. If you remove guns, are knifes more effective at that or is discreet poisonings across the country more effective at not only doing so but decreasing the chances of getting caught so you can get a higher kill count?
Strangely, no other developed nation on earth suffers the same amount of gun deaths as the US. I wonder what they do differently...
There are countries with more or similar guns per Capita and it doesn't happen. Switzerland has very high gun ownership and it doesn't happen, so does Yemen. If you handed a gun to every German tomorrow, I think you know they wouldn't have the same problem. It's not a gun issue. If you hate American citizens and want them to die than there are better ways to do that than by lying and claiming gun ownership is the root cause of these shootings.
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@Double_R
Setting aside your acceptance of this nonsense conspiracy theory, if you are that mad at Christopher Witcomb then go after him, not some random building in OK housing people who had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in Waco.
It's not nonsense I literally watched it live on television when I was a kid. I won't go after Christopher Whitcomb for 2 reasons.
1. Despite working for the FBI during ruby ridge and Waco, I don't think he is likely anything more than a cog in the wheel.
2. You should have more than enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to know the individual was engaging in such unethical behavior. If those children were burned alive than it isn't Whitcomb's fault most likely
The FBI is still made up of citizens. People who grew up here, went to school here, decided to pursue a career in various fields
That's what makes it even more heart breaking they turned against their own people and decided to work for the government.
the overwhelming majority of them did so because they genuinely want to stop those who are hurting others.
I was actually close friends with an FBI agent, prior to him becoming and agent. He would pay me to go on his computer and take tests for his criminal justice classes and pay me for doing his homework. The guy was quite obviously a sociopath. I can gladly report he actually made his dream come true. It's funny I thought his payments to me were a waste, no way would they accept him because he was fat, but he was also hitting the gym every day and doing whatever it took to get in.
If they want to help people they shouldn't join an organization that is responsible for things like Waco and Ruby ridge and 100 other unethical things. They should stick with ethical organizations and ethical means to do so.
I should look up some actual investigations and show you them because I guarantee you don't agree with every thing the FBI does, especially after Snowden exposed so much about what government organizations do.
The FBI is not a person, it's an idea. A concept we brought into reality only on paper
So are Nazis
You cannot "hold it accountable", the only thing you can do is hold the individuals who made the individual choices which lead to the undesired outcome responsible for their individual roles in actualizing said outcome.
So basically the organization can keep doing evil things and instead of holding the beast accountable, individual cogs in the wheel piss ons, get the blame. Not that they don't deserve it for participating but not sure how that helps destroy the organization or at the very least give the best minds pause before joining it or any other street gang.
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These same nutjobs will then say 'give them any weapon they want, they will kill anyway' not realising someone can kill a lot more people with a gun
If somebody wants to commit mass murder, they aren't moving from gun to knife. They are moving from gun to poison. Did you know that most convenience stores have coffee canisters which are easily accessible. You can take a road trip and hit 100 convenience stores and poison those canisters within a 5 or 6 hour window killing a thousand people instead of maximum of like what 20 in a shooting.
They could actually even steal a fire truck and put a bunch of acid in the hose and just drive down a busy street spraying people. This is the type of thing that will happen.
So, these right wing nutjobs who are against therapy can realise the problem is psychiatric but won't support funding mental healthcare campaigns and services.
The only reason it is called psychiatric is because so many shooters have a record of getting psychological help. These people are already getting mental health services. That isn't going to fix the issue. I get why you want Americans dead, so you will distract from actual solutions. However this problem does affect actual Americans, so most of us would prefer that people actually work towards actual solutions instead of lying and saying it is a mental health thing, just because they want more funds for that, or lying and saying it is a gun issue because they prefer the government be able to subjegate citizens easier.
It's quite obviously a cultural issue and any solution not focused on that, is evil because it is merely using these shootings to get pet projects funded
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@TWS1405_2
And as GP (or another) pointed out, it’s much more likely deficient to infiltrate the organization where they are weakest and kill larger numbers. The school cafeteria was a prime example. Poison the food and BAM!! Hundreds dead
That was me, who said it. I did not change my pro gun position just by showing empathytowards doubelr
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