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@Double_R
I think me and you both have the same problem. We pay specific scenarios looking for a response to that scenario and instead people try to argue against our assumed positions. I think the first post I made responding with you stated on topic because I called it, basically a type of strawman position, which is why you won't see a 2nd amendment debate where the argument comes up.
Guns don't kill people is merely a sometimes used response when it seems the right to own guns is being challenged in some cases, where a specific murderer is getting off the hook in the is public eye as the actions he had taken, take a back seat to talk about gun control.
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I meant with some commentary so as not to be classified as spam.
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@Double_R
The FBI is made up of citizens.
The FBI works for the interests of government which works for large corporations, not Americans. They aren't citizens, they are occupiers.
"They" didn't burn children alive in Waco. That was done by their cult leader.
That's the official story. These people just stood there and lit themselves on fire there definitely wasn't agents throwing things in their windows which likely caught the place on fire. Ignore the video.
You're literally blaming the hostage negotiators while ignoring the role of the hostage taker.
Not the negotiators . They did fine. They didn't light children on fire. It was people like Christopher Whitcomb who were part of the sniper team who coincidentally was also at Ruby Ridge.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Pm me please
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@Best.Korea
Quick favor. Stop responding to him. If he brings up an interesting topic, please start a new thread yourself on the topic and ignore all posts he makes in your thread on the topic.
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turn the other cheek boy.
This doesn't mean what you think. romans were occupying the area at the time and since the Jews were outgunned Jesus devised another strategy to defeat their oppressors.
Paul T. Penley explains in “Turning the Other Cheek’: Jesus’ Peaceful Plan to Challenge Injustice,” “Roman soldiers tended to be right-handed. When they struck an equal with a fist, it came from the right and made contact with the left side of the face. When they struck an inferior person, they swung with the back of their right hand making contact with the right cheek. In a Mediterranean culture that made clear distinctions between classes, Roman soldiers backhanded their subjects to make a point. Jews were second-class.” The Roman slap was an insult to the Jews’ personal dignity.
Again Jesus said if the enemy asks you to carry their stuff one mile, you carry it 2. This is because roman law said soldiers were not allowed to have the people they conquered carry their gear for more than one mile. It was intended to get soldiers in trouble.
Jesus was not somebody who would advocate for taking things lying down. It's obvious how to deal with inferior forces. In that sermon he was teaching how to deal with superior earthly forces
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assuming you believe in Jesus Christ, should i allow a 3 man team of athiests to always knock on your door, cuss you out and then leave? or, would you be right in locking the door, not answering them and potentially calling the police?
Ili would honestly kick their asses, but if they just wanted to debate me, I wouldn't cower. That means you lack faith if you don't believe God will give you the arguments to defeat theirs and make new christians.
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Vote count
Yay 5(Prez, sir.lancelot,Austin, Dreamofliberty, bestkorea)
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Most liberals would be for the electoral college if not for it helping trump win, just because it is so undeniably the best system at the moment. When it goes back to benefiting liberals again, they will defend it fiercely
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@TheUnderdog
I don't know why conservatives are so pro electoral college. The electoral college is Affirmative action to states that can't attract as many people. If you want more voting power in your state, then your state needs to find a way to attract more people.
It's so regionally favorite candidates don't get an unfair advantage over people who have more wide approval. We want a president that is forced to appeal to a wide range of people not just the most people.
The primary system does this to a certain extent because candidates can't get elected without considering the opinions of people in states that they automatically lose in, in the general election. The electoral system if not in place would have 4 or 5 big candidates running for office and results where the majority boter could technically be chosen by something like 33% of people when the 77% who absolutely despise them are split among other candidates.
I know this is where you begin to mention ranked choice or run offs. The problem with run offs is dragging out the election a ridiculous amount as to avoid someone winning with a plurality of votes instead of a majority. the nation count handle the 3 months battle to overturn the first election and then a new legal battle right after the run off. The ranked choice system also has the same problem of making it so the worst candidates get too many default votes
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@Athias
The abnormal behavior usually needs to be followed with negative effects on the patients life to be considered a mental illness. I would say gender dysphoria meets this requirement, but was removed from the DSM for political reasons.
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@Mharman
I pointed this out to him once with a question that went something like, "How can you tell someone is a bigot when you won't even debate them?" His response was to C/P ONLY the "How can you tell someone is a bigot" part, and conveniently leave out the "when you won't even debate them" part. He essentially took half of my question out and altered the meaning of my rhetorical statement in doing so. He then responded by saying "by what they say and do." .... Yeah, no shit. My point was that since he refuses to debate people, he doesn't actually know what "they say and do.
I agree with pretty much the whole of what you said and hopefully we'll be able to use the new COC as a weapon against this kind of bad actor. Speaking of which. Please vote on the new meep
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Okie dokie. Already embarrassed him a few times over.
That's why. He repeatedly is embarrassed and he doesn't adjust his arguments, because he isn't a legitimate actor but a troll. He might even be a right wing extremist making fun of the views of low IQ left wing idiots instead of sharing the views of a high IQ left wing person
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@bmdrocks21
Can you do me a favor and stop communicating with him. The only way to make him go away is to pretend he doesn't exist. I tried to get GP on board with this but he apparently has fun interacting with him. We need to take this stance with him and yes who have almost identical personalities
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I would like to see the site connect gpt technology and debate humans .
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@Intelligence_06
Having a split between major league debates and minor league debates, decreases the significance of major league (rated) debates, how?
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You guys sound like senior citizens bitching about changes.
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Hell, even our favorite cops in movies here, break the law to get justice and it makes us happy they are righteous and willing to break the law to handle the bad guys
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You got a point Wylted. These kids are young and fit, they can manage a bit of duck and cover in school.
I think the issue is not resolved with gun control. Think about this. Let's say I want to kill a bunch of school children but my access to guns is removed?
This makes any other action I take to achieve those aims, even more deadly. I could get a job in the kitchen and put arsenic in the food, killing 500 in one shot at meal time. It's better their damage is limited by easy access to guns. God forbid they have an opportunity to use their imagination, it would make them more deadly.
In all seriousness though. The shooting in Uvalde really tugged at my heart strings and I started looking at ways to prevent future mass casualty events. I started digging into a bunch of sociology studies on what motivates these people and more importantly their mindset and how to alter it before they get to the point they consider doing these things at all.
There is a sickness that is somewhat unique to American culture, that I have isolated and I am developing plans to address it. If I can find time, I'll start a new thread and explain what is really at issue here, and what to do about it.
The main thing isn't to get distracted and blame this on the boogey man of gun rights or the boogey man of mental illness which distracts both sides from actually making progress to address this issue.
So far I have only found one organization in the country that even accidentally uses my philosophy to attempt to reduce mass casualty events and that organization has very little reach so I have been in contact with them to try and help them extend that reach.
Outlawing guns, even if politically viable (which it isn't so it's a waste of time to discuss) wouldn't do enough to really get at the root causes of these tragedies. Working on the American cowboy mentality of violence always being a righteous solution to problems, is.
We glorify vigilantes here, call it justified when the hero goes around law to get revenge or justice and then we act surprised when a person gets revenge on a society that has wronged them by using violence.
There is more to it than that, but you get the gist.
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@badger
That's why I get an immediate erection at a chick with a dick. It confuses them and makes them think I am also possibly carrying
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Little known fact. Every year more people are killed by guns that were used in self defense scenarios than children who were playing with them. This at least balances out the cons of not allowing vs allowing people the ability to defend themselves.
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The problem is it is a strawman for pro gun arguments. Nobody seriously makes it.
In the above scenario the kids parents and or guardians are at fault for not locking up the gun, and usually when social services find guns in a house irresponsibly handled like this, they remove the child until the home is made safe.
I am just glad to know that when I am 90 years old, I don't have to be completely defenseless like the elderly in some other countries.
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@Double_R
So you are in support of the slaughter of your fellow citizens. You're a sick individual.
Not citizens. FBI. After they burned children alive in Waco and remember this was a year later so the same people, I would say they had it coming.
The government is not by, for or of the people. That is a myth
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or block everyone and be blissfully unaware of who says what.
I block occasionally who are annoying. It's extremely rare, but blocking people because they point out the problems in your arguments is cowardice
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@Reece101
The leader of turkey changed the name because he is very petty and offended the name sounds like a bird in a foreign language. Not joking. The leader is actually that petty
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As soon as people know you are gone they start misrepresenting history, which forces you to chirp in. The only way out is with a no peaking rule.
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Yay 4 (Prez, sir.lancelot,Austin, Dreamofliberty)
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@AustinL0926
The meep has already been created but let me quote one of several relevant parts. While Ii did not use the term "objectionable content" because of the vagueness of it allowing for content being removed for wrong think, I do have these clauses.
Moderators have the right to rename a thread or debate title if it is deemed to be offensive or inappropriate. This includes any title or thread that is harmful or offensive to a particular individual or group.
We do not permit the worst forms of trolling, such as spamming, posting irrelevant or inflammatory content,
Both clauses can serve the same purpose of removing porn, spam and links to websites describing how to create pipe bombs.
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There is also a portion of the new COC being proposed that if we did overlook something or if circumstances dictate that we made an error by removing a portion of the old COC, we can update the new COC as long as the spirit of the COC remains the same.
That's kind of where community involvement comes in. Just elect people who reflect what you want to see in the COC who will put their foot down and not willingly allow sweeping changes to the new COC that violate the spirit of it.
I can tell you personally I wouldn't expect sweeping changes for a very long time. Maybe minor adjustments here and there for things we overlooked but I ran this by the mods before asking the community what should be modified in it.
I will also note that in a previous thread RM had the opportunity to show specifically what he would like changed about the new policy so that we he can be comfortable that it is superior to the old one and he offered zero constructive criticism
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Most of that is covered under the new policy if not all of that. I am more concerned about removing some of the stuff you didn't quote.
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Everything below the COC on that page remains starting with consequences if that's what you mean.
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@Greyparrot
A part of me wants to support mcVeigh because he targeted the FBI but there was a daycare in the building and he bombed it while the daycare was in operation.
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You can literally buy wires, fertilizer and pipes at home Depot.
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Yay 3 (Prez, sir.lancelot,Austin)
Nay 1 (RM)
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This is a simple yay or nay vote on the proposed new code of conduct. You can find a copy of the policy here https://www.evernote.com/shard/s645/sh/644d1e17-1ef3-3ef5-f968-542592992d8f/oE3TDdHIibb3PsfMvwM5EpSE0FVNCufDv-upv_hudVvOVqFEskfHk3YAdA
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I have accepted nearly every requested adjustment to the meep first in the moderator chat and then in the following thread. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8967-discussion-of-and-proposal-of-revamped-moderation-policy-?page=1
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Okay keep following the prosperity gospel instead of Jesus and trying to twist what the word rich means.
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The criminally element is literally trying to build a one world government
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LGBT isn't so much am ideal as it is a type of fetish.
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@coal
As far as motive is concerned I was emailing an organization dedicated to tracking these events and getting as many details as possible because the claimed motives of the shooters always seem to be different than what they are stating, seeing as how they usually are inferior methods to obtaining the desired outcomes present in their manifestos.
The experts I talked to said the shooters own manifestos are usually bullshit and that even the most high profile mass casualty events are carried out by individuals who have recently been through a deeply emotional event such as the following 3 things. A break up, a job loss or a very bad health diagnosis.
I am okay sharing specifically with you and you alone screenshots of the email exchange and the experts email address for you to verify. It is public record so I am comfortable doing it, but they are a very busy person so email replies typically take 1-2 weeks if you want to correspond directly. A lot of news organizations may be trying to reach out to them in response to recent events so your replies could take longer than normal as well
The experts I talked to said the shooters own manifestos are usually bullshit and that even the most high profile mass casualty events are carried out by individuals who have recently been through a deeply emotional event such as the following 3 things. A break up, a job loss or a very bad health diagnosis.
I am okay sharing specifically with you and you alone screenshots of the email exchange and the experts email address for you to verify. It is public record so I am comfortable doing it, but they are a very busy person so email replies typically take 1-2 weeks if you want to correspond directly. A lot of news organizations may be trying to reach out to them in response to recent events so your replies could take longer than normal as well
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again, you are misinterpreting scripture. Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell all he had and give to the poor. he didnt tell everyone too. You are imputing your own morality into christ.
You are taking one scripture out of a hundred that tells you to live humbly and saying that specific one does not tell you to be poor. There is a reason the Amish and Mennonites exist and Jehovah witnesses are all encouraged to focus on the next life I stead of creating treasure in this life. It's because they have a more literalist and more correct I interpretation of the bible.
What's happening here is you have decided it is too hard to follow Christ if you are poor and so you have decided to horde your wealth and build up your treasures on earth.
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Revelation is talking about sending Satan to the lake of fire and yes you can be rich and decide to follow Christ but then you must immediately donate your wealth. It's literally what Jesus said. Either you believe the word of God or you will continue to lie about it and condemn yourself to death. Eternal life is free, please accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior now and stop following satanic interpretations of scripture. If hearing the word of God hurt you badly enough to block me, your soul is at risk
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genuinely think enough Americans are that logically incoherent they think they can defeat the military and police force in an all-out blood bath. They then justify this by defense against criminals instead of government.
Because you are picturing a war. Domestic uprisings look different. Even Hitler didn't have the clout to bomb his own people.
However trying to go after city dwellers who are popping your foot soldiers from various random high rises, dealing with insubordinate troops and dealing with a bunch of Appalachian rednecks in booby trapped bears infested woods who can remain invisible and live off the land, isn't very easy
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@Sidewalker
But you can't seem to give an example of what you would be preparing for.
Hitler is what we all prepare for. We know the next one is coming we just can't figure out if it is from the right or the left. Either way you need a population who can out gun their governments to prevent it
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So true. There is precisely the same amount of gun violence in red areas such as Boca Raton Florida as there is in blue cities like Chicago.
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@FLRW
No problem
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@badger
Ok here's a problem for you. It seems to me that it's actually Republicans that are creating the demand for transexuals what with all the transexual porn they're watching.
Actually transgender porn sucks now that liberals have flooded it.
10 years ago as a heterosexual man I had no problem jerking off to a chick with a dick sucking off a man. Now that leftism has destroyed America we don't get those sexy looking feminine trannies. We get masculine looking dudes with tits.
Now I feel like a fag if I jerk off to trannies. I hate that leftists have ruined tranny porn for me
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Black people live in your head rent free.
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