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and they will, either in unending torment, or joy everlasting
This dude is not a Christian. He hasn't even read the bible. He blocked me because I said that prosperity gospel is unbliblical and now he claims hell is eternal torment, despite that being nowhere in the bible.
This is what is sad. So many people like this who think they are going to heaven but since they reject the word of God, are condemned to a permanent death.
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There mere fact I am a gangsta is preparation enough.
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Bro, not helping is morally reprehensible no matter how you look at it. If you see a child drowning and you are the only person around to save it, you have an ethical obligation to do so.
I would go as far as to say not helping is the equivalent to actively harming
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@Greyparrot
This is what conservatism has come to and I have relented.
"Our gays are better than your gays"
I would say that my grandfather would be rolling in his grave but I come from a family of retarded liberals. They all have became republican thanks to my overwhelming presence though. The ones who haven't died anyway.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I guess I will do that debate. Who are your 2 judges?
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@YouFound_Lxam
Laissez-Faire capitalism is more efficient than social democracyI'm willing to take pro on this one.We pretty much agree on all the rest.Thoughts?
This is the most boring topic though and the semantics over the word efficient could get tedious. Let me look through your post history to see what your beliefs are. Give me a minute. It just needs to be political this round from what I understand
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@Greyparrot
Gotta wonder how many gay people the far right can recruit if they say they will harm Putin for them.
We basically have all the tops, as far as fruits are concerned. You can't be the maas Uline one in the relationship and have all those feminine liberal values
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@oromagi
Please. Question: how many straight men still remember who Perez Hilton was? Answer: zero
The answer is one you dick
Remember when you got caught pretending to be a teen-aged girl on this site?
I literally quoted from to catch a predator. It was funny but apparently David never watched the show. You know how they always ask everyone to bring beer and condoms to establish intent .
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@YouFound_Lxam
On balance, communism works better than capitalism
Con,
On balance, fascism works better than capitalism
I don't understand fascism too well despite reading a lot from evola.
Laissez-Faire capitalism is more efficient than social democracy
Not interested but if we can't find something to debate I am open to taking a position
On balance, authoritarianism works better than libertarianism
Works better at what?
On balance, importing labor is preferred for a developed economy
Con
The government should own the central bank
Con
On balance, government bail-outs do more harm than good
I would be willing to do con here.
On balance, command economies are superior to market economies
Con
On balance, feudalism would be a preferential alternative to capitalism
I don't know enough about feudalism
Wealthy businesses in key industries should be nationalized
Con
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I am far from Muslim but seeing the degenerate shitholes country christians have allowed America to become. I welcome Muslim invasion
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Nobody went after bill Clinton for using his personal funds for assassinations and hush money. Why is trump special?
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I got an erection while listening to a male voice actor in ex superheroes novel do sex talk in a fake female voice. I had enough sense to not act on my gay urge to jerk off to a man talking like an Asian chick
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Oh, is that all you've got, dumb-dumb? I'm gay. How is that going to make you look any better educated?
As long as you don't act on it, you are alright in my book
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@Stephen
you arrogant penis, believers
Way to go after penis believers
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As somebody who has lived in Florida and grew up in Florida. The main issues are that it's got a really high cost of living but unlike some areas who make up for the cost of living with increased wages, Florida wages are shit compared to the rest of the country in just about every industry.
The wages seem to be coming up to the national standard though.
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Poor people?
It rhymes with riggers.
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@Greyparrot
I read his book maybe 10 years ago "war is a racket" . It still seems very relevant
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I don't care what trolling your site persona needs to dish out but leave my name out your fucking mouth, ty.
God damn will smith looking mother fucker
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With greyparrot redpilling 20 students a year, he has done more to save America than any U.S. soldier past or present with maybe the lone exception of Smedley Butler who I am not even convinced made the right decision
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@Greyparrot
Tell me how it really feels to know I am helping dozens of teenagers to see Democrats for what they do and who they are.
I have one teenager and one 7 year old I am responsible for red pilling.
Thank you for your service. I can't thank you enough for slowing the fall of America.
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What demographic overwhelmingly has single mothers and what way does that demographic typically vote?
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I knew this guy was a closet Trump supporter. Welcome to the team fellow MAGA guy
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Remind us of this when you put your racist anti-BLM cap back on, or is it MAGA? I am unsure.
Why can't I just be anti woke bullshit while simultaneously being pro black?
If I was president of the United States, I would wait for a down economy and then the first thing Ii would do is give blacks reparations. To be fair that isn't so much about making up for the harm of slavery as it is removing every reason they have to bitch about their life sucking as I can think of.
Straight up. Give every black person in America $100,000 while simultaneously cutting all food stamps and welfare to make up for the costs
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Now that technology makes it possible to record their entire time on duty it should be mandatory to the point that if they ever enter a state of non-surveillance they lose all pretense of executing official duties.
Maybe not that far LOL. For one they should be able to take a shit without having the camera on, plus how do you expect them to look the other way at people they walk in on fucking dogs, if they have a camera on ?
Society is pretty far from libertarian so you need to give the cops some leeway with the cameras, but yes I agree they should be on most of the time.
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@zedvictor4
Typically unbiased reporting I'm sure.
They cut off the footage. That is a confession. Innocent people don't engage in cover ups bottom line
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For anyone who doesn't know. The rapper afroman has a frivolous warrant executed on him for kidnapping and drugs. The cops do a no knock warrant for some reason thinking somebody who makes millions from music is also a drug deal and apparently a human trafficker all based off of a random tip so probably an anonymous email or something.
Anyway afroman uses his home surveillance system to record them and basically makes an entire album's worth of songs based on that one raid.
The cops are suing based on the fact they say their reputations were harmed and their feelings are hurt. Before you feel sorry for these guys though, you should know 3 things.
1. They were searching for the kidnap victim under couch cushions and in jacket pockets. Not joking
2. The money they seized they claimed was miscounted so they returned about $400 less to him than they seized.
3. This is the most incriminating part. They actually were cutting his camera feed. If these cops weren't doing anything wrong, no way in hell do the cut the camera feed.
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@Athias
I finished reading it real fast just so I can read your comment. Thanks for the summary
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@Sir.Lancelot
Female Homelander??
Not really a female Homelander. I would classify her as possibly chaotic neutral
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@oromagi
Question. Is it gay that the male voice actor for this book has given me no less than 3 erections?
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Yes (1), athias
No(1), oromagi
Also since it seems you may have read the book, no spoilers I am only half way in.
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Also since it seems you may have read the book, no spoilers I am only half way in.
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@Athias
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I was just reading this book (ex superheroes 2) and the main character is being threatened with rape by the female supervillain if he doesn't have sex with her. He doesn't want to be raped I guess so he consents to sex but he proceeds to hate fuck the supervillain.
I thought I knew where the line between rape and not rape is, but this scene in the book made me reconsider. Was the main character raped or not?
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@Elliott
News from the BBC huh? ;)
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I don't even keep up with it other than some newsletter called the 1440 which seems to be the only completely unbiased news source I can find.
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This genius thinks arming a random Russian satellite state is somehow vital to American's who are thousands of miles away and unaffected.
Zelensky has proven that country is not free by trying to have a political opponent banned, banning christian churches and banning t.v. news stations who disagree with his policy positions. This is two totalitarian regimes fighting over a piece of dirt. And in some regions of Ukraine they are very pro Russia and would prefer to remain a Russian satellite state
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@TheUnderdog
I am a big proponent of year round schooling. Often poor kids suffer from a prolonged school break as wealthier parents will hire tutors and encourage reading in the summer. Studies consistently show that poor and wealthy kids, learn the same amount during the school year, but poorer kids have less retention over the summer break. Year round school fixes that.
So yeah, Ii would agree with what you said
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@TheUnderdog
They work like what 75% of the year at best. 60k teacher salary would be equivalent of about 80k or 90k a year
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@oromagi
Sorry if my researched facts made you look lazy and trollish for relying on Hollywood and random googles for your facts. No wonder you can't tell the truth from lies.
Hollywood claims the Holocaust happened.
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False. I asked you which you held in higher priority- my right to the truth or your right to lie. What value is freedom of speech, after all, if no speech can be trusted.
No speech can be trusted anyway. I learned this when I learned about solipsism.
We've proved right here that you are a gigantic sucker for even the most obvious falsehoods- just so long as they match your compusive hatreds.
I said I have doubt about the Holocaust, not that I believe it never happened. I haven't fell for a single falsehood because I don't believe anything. The exception may be if false hoods were intended to create doubt as opposed to convince.
Read the domain name. .ru is russian. There is no denying that you are sourcing sketchy russian sources.
A Russian citizen denying the Holocaust almost certainly believes what he is saying because it can get you thrown in the gulags to believe it.
Because I went straight to the NY Times archive. You went straight to Russian propaganda sources.
Bro, I went to leftwing sources trying to debunk the photo which includes reddit and Quora. Regardless of where the sources came from i went to legitimate opposers of the information.
For exactly the same reason you manufactured evidence about Ilse Koch and Gena Turgel- irrational hatred of Jews.
I in fact have not, there are movies about Ilse Koch from Hollywood (ran by Jews) who paint her that way. I have randomly googled other Nazi women and have came back with similar stories.
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@zedvictor4
We can and do have differing opinions about separate issues, even if separate issues might have commonality.
No this is not about separate issues having commonality where different opinions can be due to nuance. Reread my posts again. You lack some reading comprehension, and I don't say that to be mean. I just want you to know so you can work on comprehension akills
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@zedvictor4
Hmmmmm. Doesn't really make sense.Because we always hold different opinions about different arguments
Are you really this dimwitted?
You can't conclude the sky is blue for one argument and then turn around and claim it is green for another.
Because supporting the process infers that one supports the outcome...A premise in other words.
This is way off topic and no supporting the process would not necessarily mean supporting the outcome. That also wouldn't necessarily mean your premises for supporting one and not supporting the other matched.
we regard Christian belief as the basis of a premise that infers ones support for the Abrahamic GOD, then would it be intellectually dishonest to not also support Islam.
How would your premises for being a Jew mean that you have to accept Islam which has different claims about God? (Seemingly anyway)
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@oromagi
Let's agree that this postion establishes you as a morally crippled individual. Those who fail to uphold the truth as superior to the lie can never pretend to be a credible of data or analysis. Why would anybody care about the opinion of somebody who refuses to value the truth more than a lie?
Retarded. You said which one should society hold in higher regard, not individuals. Society should value freedom of speech and make no laws infringing on it.
In the age of the internet, "the media" is the same as saying most humans- way too fucking general. You have presented ZERO evidence that historians have manipulated the evidence.
I posted an article about a manipulated image from the New York post and posted an image in the discord tagging your name of I think about 7 different manipulated photos
Well, then, you are a fool. All anyone has to do to keep you perpetually baffled is to keep feeding you an occaisional lie. Your absolutism makes you extremely easy to manipulate.
My "absolutism" makes it so that if there are any ever highly coordinated attempts to manipulate me into believing something it never succeeds.. being perpetually baffled is far superior to the risk of ever even once being incorrect in a conclusion.
That is not an English article, that is some more Russian propoganda.
Denying the Holocaust in Russia is a prison sentence. Plus it doesn't make any sense to make that sort of thing up.
That is, you are claiming that historians can't be trusted because they have distorted images of NAZIs. For proof of "every single prominent woman" you offer Ilse Koch.
She is the first one that came to mind due to a recent episode of a true crime show, my communication with the author etc.
I don't know who all your examples are but I know Eva Braun and I wouldn't consider her a NAZI.
Also clearly when I say every one I am being hyperbolic.
"The Bitch of Buchenwald" and many sensational claims about Koch originate from NAZI media, not people documenting the Holocaust.
So what was their plan? To make themselves look like good guys by claiming they were collectively responsible for even worse shit?
She survived 3 different concentration camps, 2 forced marches, and once at Auschwitz, she was forced naked into a crowded room. Nothing happened but other prisoners told her that she had been in a gas chamber.
I am basing this off of memory, so give me some leeway. I think what you stated still keeps the essence of what I said. Pretty crazy stuff. Surviving 3 camps when Hitler was systematically eliminating Jews.
Here is how the actual article appeared in the NY Time on May 6, 1945.
Even what I read from people trying to debunk that the manipulated photo meant anything were admitting it was posted in the NY times. This is the first time I am seeing an argument that it wasn't in the paper at all. Why out of the hundred rebuttals I saw, you are the only one that shows this?
Shame you didn't wonder why there was web address stamped across the photo. There were no web addresses in 1945.
I just assumed they were trying to get credit for discovering the fraud and stamped the photo as a way to get credit from whoever was sharing the story.
I don't understand why Holocaust deniers would manufacture evidence if they really believed. What they were saying. I can understand why they would misinterpret evidence but manufacturing evidence is an admission that you don't believe your own story.
However we have 2 issues here. Both sides seem to have some bullshit evidence. Either the Holocaust happened or it didn't and if your version is correct their is no need for anyone to sensationalize or lie or anything else. Just present the facts.
But you are extraordiarily biased and also dim-witted. he Netflix documentary states that she was a sadist who turned humans into lampshades. The history books, the US and German and Israeli governments all agree that no material evidence supports Netflix's claims. Who are you going to believe?
Why are Holocaust supporters lying if the evidence supports their ultimate argument?
Notice that the two democratic governments challenged their own conclusions and corrected the error in spite of massive public outage and even Senatorial commitees demanding that they preserve the false. Waiting for govt to be flawless is the folly of extremists liek you
I think it would be better if they didn't make those false conclusions to start with.
Well because that would be a totally evil fucking lie denying rock solid historical truths.
Their own troops were starving at the end though. So maybe they did a lot of stuff out of evil intent, but why claim the starvation at the end was due to this instead of concluding the obvious that even America would have had trouble feeding prisoners if they lacked resources to feed their troops.
exceeding any other mass murder event in human history
Didn't Mao kill like 60 million of his own people and Stalin like 40 million? That seems worse than 6 million.
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@zedvictor4
So as a democratic American it would therefore be hypocritical for one to hold differing opinions about a democratically elected government and a democratically unelected opposition party. Because partisanship would be founded on a lie about ones claim to support democracy.
Not body would conclude that from my post. Not sure what you are getting at.
Because basically, you are saying that it is hypocritical to have varying opinions about related issues. Or in respect of the case in point, loosely related issues.
Not what I am saying. I am saying it is intellectually dishonest to hold opposite premises for two different arguments or at least an internal contradiction that should be resolved.
Sort of upholding the right to freedom of speech and expression, whilst denigrating the right to freedom of speech and expression.
That would be hypocritical to a certain extent (though not necessarily) but it wouldn't be a contradictory premise using two different arguments, like we are talking about here.
Why do I say not necessarily here. Because what people personally do often goes against what policy positions they hold, which is fine as long as they can stop doing those things once they successfully outlaw them.
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@oromagi
Somehow it hasn't been completely memory holed. Here is the photo I was talking about. I am looking to find an English article on it right now and will edit this post when I do . https://archive.org/details/buchenwaldblock56
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@oromagi
I am sharing the photo in the discord and tagging you if you are there in the memes section so you can see just one of what I keep running int
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@oromagi
False and childish. Source?
Literally look into the top google results for anybody. Choose one. Let's go with Ilse Koch. I was talking to a biographer of hers who pointed out this issue with a lot of female Nazis. Here is the professor I was talking too and a part of his book description. https://www.amazon.com/Ilse-Koch-Trial-Making-Buchenwald/dp/0674249186
And what a fellow historian has said that hints at this common portrayal of Nazi women
The definitive portrait of Ilse Koch, whose caricature as a sadistic nymphomaniac has for too long dominated representations of Nazi female perpetrators. In Jardim’s judicious hands, Koch’s story reveals much about the Nazi system, postwar justice, and the sexism that permeated both, while firmly establishing Koch’s guilt and paranoid antisemitism.”
In a democracy, which civil right should be held in higher priority?My right to know the truth vsYour right to distort the truth?
Freedom of speech allows lies or distortions to sit beside facts and for people to judge arguments on their merit. I think they are equally important.
can it be true that all we need is to alter some photos to cast doubt on the reality of any event"?
Come on oromagi. If an event happened and the media is claiming it happened. Why would they need to manipulate the evidence?
There are reports of Nazis being tortured in a UK prison prior to the trials. Not sure why you would treat prisoners that way and expect confessions to be believedYeah, torture never works.
I would never claim torture doesn't work. It is better used for gaining Intel than it is for trials.
You mean they didn't necessarily starve the prisoners out of malice they only kidnapped, enslaved, tortured, raped, worked the Jews to death our of malice but at the end they couldn't help but to starve their slaves, that part wasn't out of malice. ok.
The point is why are their lies about that portion of events. If everything they say is true why not make a nuanced claim like "they are certainly responsible for the mistreatment of prisoners prior to the end of the war but events at the end of the war were beyond their control"
If the truth is on your side, you never need bias distortion or lies.
Three years later, when the new Russian government advised that the KGB had been falsifying the evidence and the US Govt. admitted that none of the 15 Treblinka survivors they interviewed had actually id'd Demjanjuk but they went ahead and falsified two witnesses as a favor to Isreael and Israel admitted that only 8 of the 40 Treblinka survivors they interviewed had id'd Demjanjuk and Israel also admitted they had surpressed witnesses who said Demjanjuk was definitely not Ivan and had surpressed evidence of Ivan's real name.
Have you changed your opinion of the America's ruling class being bad people?
This is fucked up information you are providing right here. Why are they manipulating evidence of the Holocaust like you admit?
The Israeli Govt certainly gets the most blame for corrupt prosecution but the US and USSR were both in a position to correct the record and let the accusation stand.
That's pretty fucked up by all 3 governments. It makes me wonder though how come they did this?
Still, Perez can only see one villain here, this mob of lying Jews, when, in fact, many non-Jews and Nazis also lied and the overwhelming majority of Jews interviewed did not lie.
That's not the impression I got from the Netflix documentary. It seemed like the majority of witnesses were lying and this was not a film made by Nazi sympathizers.
A very specific claim - source?
Yes 3 survivals. Very suspicious.
That's some fucking weak as water evidence there. In the face of millions of pieces of documentary evidence, you take the position that a few minor details seem less than likely
Yes, I am the type where I can't form a conclusion unless every piece of evidence can be explained.
Conveyor belts were an ordinary part of most industrial sites in the 1940s. It would be more surprising if the Germans weren't using conveyor belts.
You didn't hear the description. It was ridiculous. I am trying to find it but this stuff gets memory holed real fast.
Source?can it be true that all we need is to alter some photos to cast doubt on the reality of any event"
I am on a phone right now but it was a photo where you could tell the newspaper doubled the image. It was a stack of dead bodies and they kinda stretched it out to look like more bodies. The dead bodies on the left of the image was the same as on the right. As soon as I post this I will look but I wrote up a lot and don't want the phone to delete this all.
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@oromagi
What do the Holocaust revisionists claim? What do they say that you find compelling?
Contradictions and holes in the official narrative for me, even though you didn't ask me.
Here are some examples of the top of my head.
1. Every single prominent nazi woman is described as a sexual sadist with stories about them that almost look like they can appear out of a porn.
2. Holocaust survivors explaining weird things like one claiming a roller coaster of death that works like some sort of conveyer belt in the death camps. Another claimed that they survived 3 gas chamber attempts on their life because the maximum occupancy was 600 and they were the 601st there or some other non sense. I mean these people are slaughtering people but are going to respect the maximum occupancy sign on a building.
3. John Demjanjuk, was put on trial for being "Ivan the terrible" . Witness after witness who met John the terrible came forward and said it was definitely him. Maybe 200 Jews lied and said it was definitely the guy. It turns out he was a Nazi but he wasn't I am the terrible.
4. The laws mentioned by op. It seems that if it were true and there is zero room for doubt like the earth being round, than you wouldn't need to make laws against denialism.
5. There seems to be some altered photos of the Holocaust printed in newspapers. Not necessary if the events are as horrible as stated
6. At the end of the war German soldiers were literally starving and we are expected to believe that they starved prisoners out of malice and not because every country on the planet would prioritize feeding their troops over prisoners
7. There are reports of Nazis being tortured in a UK prison prior to the trials. Not sure why you would treat prisoners that way and expect confessions to be believed
There are a ton of things that need explained. There is a professor who I have talked to who noticed some of this stuff and thinks it somehow does not harm the official narrative but I am buying his upcoming book and reading it all the way through before I press him on the answers in case the book has the answers for me.
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@AustinL0926
I mix up people and I am not sorry about it
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You think I didn't think about whether I saw it outside of the scum chat before sharing it? I type of the cuff but when it comes to pieces of information like that I pause to reconsider my post before sending it
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