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@Stephen
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”Matthew 19:21I wonder, what good would be giving to" the poor " serve, if the end of the world is coming to an end? What will "the poor "do with all of that hard earned cash and hard earned life times belongings of others that has just landed on their laps?
The answer is that it doesn't matter. Give the possessions to the poor is not about helping the poor. It is about making sure your focus is on God instead of all your possessions.
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@Melcharaz
you seem to be looking at scripture from a personal point of view, allowing your emotions, experiences and pain to affect your interpretation.
I don't understand why you would say that when my interpretation of Luke is from using his own words and yours interpretation comes from trying to downplay his words and twist scripture to support your position.
nor just read the gospel of luke
You really should try studying scripture sometime by zoning in on books or learning the original Greek and getting the original feel. It will likely draw you closer to God. I understand the temptation just to read it over and over waiting for some sort of enlightenment, but it really pays to do the work of trying to dig into the meaning.
without considering the other gospels.
You should, each writer had a different aspect of Jesus and different things they were trying to get across, by ignoring Luke's message by trying to muddy it with the other books you are missing his message.
Do not assume i say everyone should be rich or poor. infact, its in psalms that david prays to neither be poor to the point of stealing, nor rich to the point where he disregards God.
I didn't assume you thought everyone should be rich. You do however misinterpret Luke because it quite clearly says everyone should be poor. Maybe you are wealthy so you reject what God is telling you there, if so we can see by your response to the message why you would twist the bible and maybe that twisting is subconscious on your part. You did say that you refuse to just dive into what look says and will consider the other gospels and parts of the Bible while reading it, which is essentially admitting that you cherry pick verses you think will correct Luke's message, though I am sure you see it as providing "context". I have already provided context though by giving a history of early christians.
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Dude is really bringing up unions. They just take money from your check and provide nothing in return. Back when I was a kid I was in the ufcw and they paid me minimum wage while taking money out of my check . Unions are fucking worthless
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The issue is of normalizing women in the work force. If you double the labor pool, you decrease how much employees can demand. Like op said, we used to be able to do these things on a single income, but now we need two incomes. Women in the workforce is not the only thing. Taxes take away what you could be using to pay bills. You also have increased health care costs because of Obamacare. I now pay like $500 a month for insurance and I never even see a Dr or go to a hospital.
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@Melcharaz
no. what Jesus told 1 person to do doesnt mean everyone should do it. method is in alignment with obedience, not obedience its self.
You know you are on thin ice, interpreting gospel to appear more digestible to the general public as opposed to accepting it's true intent?
If you won 200 million in the lottery tomorrow, it would be a sin to keep it all or even most of it. God said do not worry about what you will eat or drink tomorrow as God will provide for you.
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@TheUnderdog
God commands the rich to not love money, otherwise it is evil.The way to not love money is to give it all away, right? I love my assets, so that’s why I don’t want to give them away.
Apologists believe that he was saying that to the rich man because that particular person put money above God. They often point to verses such as the command to gouge your eyes if they keep you from the kingdom of heaven or cut off your arm if it keeps you from the kingdom of heaven. It isn't having an arm or eyes or money that is sinful. He wouldn't command everyone to do those things.
They are most likely reading too much into it and the message is to reject the earthly realm and focus on the kingdom of God. This view eventually became the minority and the gnostics adopted it, while the new belief that wealth is fine, became orthodoxy. Most likely due to the influx of wealthy people into the religion as opposed to it being just for slaves and women or primarily anyway.
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@Melcharaz
an intresting strawman. Jesus only told 1 person to sell all he had, the rich young ruler. because he would still be a ruler.
The book of Luke has a different feel than the other gospels. If you knew nothing of the rest of the Bible and just read Luke, you would get the impression you should be poor and it is spiritually superior to be poor.
The early christians were mostly poor, women and slaves. They were often criticized for the Romans for this until the wealthy apologists came later who could defend the bible more appropriately.
These people lived communally in poverty and led very simple live's.
It used to make me very uncomfortable reading Luke when I was a child, because I was poor and wanted out of poverty but the book gave me the message it was better to live in poverty.
Sit down and just read Luke. Don't try to cross reference with what you know in the other gospels. Just read it and take in it's message.
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10 is ridiculous and engaging in that many at once detracts from quality.
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@TWS1405_2
He didn't say good debater, he said experienced. Also "projection" is shorthand for psychological projection. Please sterilize yourself.
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People are climbing the elo board because of noobs not finishing debates. Those elo points from forfeits are not earned
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I would urge him to post those 8 publicly so everyone can see how ridiculous you are. That was 8 put together after 10 minutes of effort I am sure you would look even more ridiculous if they sought out the dumbest ones
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@Intelligence_06
He's taking the time to add it back and update the site piecemeal in the coming weeks.
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Thank you for not throwing me under the bus for the less popular decisions, but this is on me also. We are a team
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@Skipper_Sr
Thank you for your feedback. I understand your concerns and I take them seriously. However, I must emphasize that I am not being deceptive in any way. I am simply trying to ensure that the decisions I make are in the best interest of the team. I understand that it can be difficult to trust someone without full transparency, but I assure you that I am doing my best to make sure that everyone is taken care of.
I recommend you finalize your announcements beforehand. Your indecision weakens your credibility
Thank you for your input. I understand your concern, however, I do not appreciate the implication that my decisions are weak. I take my role as leader seriously and make decisions with the utmost care and consideration.
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@AustinL0926
I'm sorry if it seemed like I was antagonizing RM. I didn't mean to come across that way. I value our friendship and would never want to do anything to jeopardize it.i hope me and RM can move past this.
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RM,
Thank you for your feedback regarding the new update. We understand your concerns and appreciate your input. However, we believe that the new update is necessary to ensure that all users are adequately prepared to participate in rated debates. We believe that the new requirements are necessary to ensure that all users are able to engage in meaningful debates. We understand that this may be an inconvenience, but we believe that it is necessary to ensure the quality of debates on DART.
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@AustinL0926
Correcting now
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Pot.....kettle
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I am a populist by nature. With that said it is generally safe to assume any positive changes you see are a direct result of my actions, while any negative things are things that would have been considerably worse without my intervention.
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@Skipper_Sr
I actually changed my mind about them being weekly. I don't want to post them until there is something of value to share otherwise the unimportant updates will distract from the important ones.
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@Melcharaz
I don't completely comprehend the topic. Maybe because I am tired. I think you are arguing that
"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" as the famous quote says. Not only would I agree with that, I don't see a good devil's advocate argument to make. Judging is the only thing I could do
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Yeah I just get elected president and dramatic changes are completely at random and no way directed by me. Lol sure buddy
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If you are desperate add me. Only if nobody else steps up.
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I was elected and if you erase the illegal votes I won the popular vote as well
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@Skipper_Sr
Those will still compute. You are grandfathered in
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Mike, you do not have permission to share my PMs with anyone so please do not respond to questions. Thank you
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Mike, you do not have permission to share my PMs with anyone so please do not respond to questions. Thank you
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@K_Michael
Most of this update was already in the works before you were elected. What specific changes are you trying to claim responsibility for suggesting?
I am specifically trying to take credit for whatever changes are deemed good and the ones deemed bad Mike did with me objecting to them
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I am president now and like I said before I am not going to let MEEP's keep me from doing what is right for the site, even if me and Mike have to go over some people's heads
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What is the debate on specifically?
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@DebateArt.com
I wouldn't take what anyone states too seriously. This is how westerners are. They bitch about any change you ever make for the better and then when you change it back, they also bitch and moan about that. You are doing fantastic.
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@Skipper_Sr
If Wylted and/or Debateart.com read this, I as a Dartizen want to know the precise reasoning for rated debates becoming restricted for new users.
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Here is why we lost.
Best Korea got himself modkilled
That2 somehow scum slipped as town
I tried everything possible to turn this around for town and you guys stopped me at every turn from saving your ass
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@SirAnonymous
Why the fuck would scum claim Hitler? Why did pie in the signups confirm me as scum if he really were going to make me scum?
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@ILikePie5
End game please so I can start talking shit to everyone
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I am town by the way and this loss is not my fault for the record. You guys were dumb for going after confirmed town
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Hitler has traditionally killed himself so it's only fitting
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The fact I am not quick hammered yet indicates scum are voting me at least one scum
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The fact RM is trying to shift off of the cult leader, means he was recruited
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Hitler was trying to purify Germany so it makes sense that we could work together
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Let's pressure siranon for a claim before we end the DP.
VTL siranon
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So we have a vote thief and they wasted it on an easy lynch? RM ask pie if he made a mistake with the vote count
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So Barney is not TP.
That's good. I don't know what the hell that2 was thinking. He is entirely responsible for that mislynch.
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