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WTF is going on LOL.
I am not sure if this is some sort of scum gambit but in no world would that type of format exist in Mafia where scum would be converted to town for anyone considering that whiteflame is honest
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@Vader
Am I understanding you correctly that you are simultaneously deathproof and also your win condition is to merely survive?
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@Vader
Has she admitted to knowing the other person? Are they on a common device like a MacBook?
Is there a way to just ban one account or both from voting to avoid damaging the site while maintaining a focus on justice?
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@Public-Choice
What have you done?
The site quite literally would not have survived without him and if he left it today it would mean a considerably less active site that would decay into ruin
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@RationalMadman
It is obvious now that the user is Undefeatable.
I was thinking that was the likely accusation as well but it is clearly absurd.
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@Sidewalker
Giving us an example of a Republican lie, ok, but we didn't really need one, Trump already gave us 30,000 examples.
Explain how wondering out loud why the president has not produced a birth certificate is the same exact thing as accusing the president of being born overseas? If anything it helps prove the president is an American citizen and shuts the doubters up.
Why would wanting to end untrue conspiracy theories make somebody a liar?
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@Sidewalker
- No, we mean Republican's lie....and we think your opinions are whack job conspiracies...big difference.
Thett just made a thread about apparent lie accusations thrown at a Republican made ad campaign. Do you care to address his claims and stand behind this statement you are quoted as saying?
What is the current Republican Platform? Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't have one.
I can give you some of it
- Border security, Republicans are against open borders.
- Republicans believe that Americans should have guns to protect themselves
- Republicans are pro securing elections as to prevent frauds and the integrity of the process
- Republicans want to get struggling mother's to be help so they don't feel forced to murder their unborn children
- Republicans are against making race based selections in hiring practices and think merit is what matters
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In civilized society we allow defendants a lawyer and I think this would be a similar situation for me to help speak on people's behalf, and contrary to popular belief not everybody has the ability to communicate well or build repoire
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
there is real evidence that they are an alt of someone
PM me evidence please for accountability purposes. Airmax is inactive and I am the closest thing we have to a site president. One that can be trusted to STFU about confidential matters anyway and advocate for people in a discreet way.
It's actually much more conducive for a site that is relatively welcoming and drama free if i can advocate for people behind closed doors as well instead of in threads like this.
I would rather people like vici Pm me to advocate on their behalf than to potentially slander the mod team publicly because they feel like they have no other outlet
Do you guys realize the value in a mod team that is trusted? Helping me to create that accountability I think will be a good step in that regard. I know previously lunatic had the role, but I think I would be an even better fit than he was because of my willingness to engage the accused parties such as PMing vici to get her side of the story etc.
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@Barney
I have been quietly wondering if it is 1x deathproof and we could push back lylo by one day by wasting one of them. He is at best TP and expendable and at worst scum. I don't trust the claimed win cons of TP also. I have seen weird wincons like "get lynched on dp3" or "make sure joker is killed"
If it is 1x deathproof than we should get it out of the way if we aren't going to lynch this dp anyway
If it is 1x deathproof than we should get it out of the way if we aren't going to lynch this dp anyway
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@Vader
They have voted on their own debates
Okay another question because me and David may share some common IP addresses. Is this witch hunt going to end up in me and David being banned?
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@Vader
I can not say anything as it is an ongoing investigation but there is real evidence that they are an alt of someone
Please get a life. You guys have already made one error that I pointed at above with a supposed alt of mine, plus it is a low IQ move as mods should not be targeting accounts that behave well. The site is dying and you idiots are looking for random excuses to ban somebody who may have had a banned account in the past
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So, since I will be reviving this thread every few months th
e good news for you is that if it turns out that I was wrong and everyone dies then we will be able to test whether I am willing to admit to being wrong. I won't be able to get away with pretending I never said that.I am quite clearly not the north Korea guy. But yeah it's pretty common for liberals to pretend like conspiracies are bullshit and then admit to them years later.
McCarthy stated that Russian spies were quite prevalent in government he was scoffed and pressured into revealing the names of suspects many of whom were innocent to appease liberals yelling "where is the evidence".
Note McCarthy tried to avoid this because he knew many suspects were innocent but he was pressured by the left to give names. Years later CIA declassified documents prove that in fact the government was heavily infiltrated.
We had the Wuhan lab leak theory that was just called true.
We have the Cambodian killing fields that liberals called a conspiracy against the new government just because it was leftists.
So the theory that perhaps the election process was not perfect, should be given more credence than it has been so the left doesn't keep repeating the same mistake over and over
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@Vici
remember that the mods here cannot compel, for a matter of privacy, unless of course you want to breach my privacy
If they care about your privacy they should definitely PM me the answer, but I don't think they should care and I believe they should in general be more open in most regards.
I am not saying they shouldn't keep things confidential, but there is no reason I can see to do so here
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Unvote VTL supa
Let's at least test this claim I guess so the entire DP isn't a waste
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@Vader
Are you accusing her of being an alt bro? And did you claim north Korea was me?
Also do you guys do something dumb like ban based on having the same IP address and are me and David who probably both use the same IP address on many occasions at risk of being banned for being alts?
Also do you guys do something dumb like ban based on having the same IP address and are me and David who probably both use the same IP address on many occasions at risk of being banned for being alts?
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@Barney
1.Wylted. pools closed2.whiteflame3.ILikePie5. Batman. Pacifist4.Barney. wears green. ???5.SirAnonymous Occasionally wears green6.SupaDudz. Joker. JOAT7.Earth
- 8.Coreyinthehouse Bane.
- 9.crystalynx
As far as colors is concerned I have no fucking clue. I think maybe purple for my character but I think it depends on whoever colors the villain or what movie he appears in or whatever, so purple is not 100% confident
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@crystalynx
Why are we lynching Supa for the abilities thing? what is deathproof
Death proof means that lynching him should fail. We should all have abilities I believe. What is yours?
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@Best.Korea
I was already twice accused of being an alt of wytled. I was accused of being an alt of type.
Were you that one account that got accused of being me who thought robots were racist?
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@K_Michael
if mods or site owners are checking IPs then that would be evidence enough for me.
Even that is not good enough. Me and David live in the same area. I wouldn't be surprised if we have some matching IPs from going to the same coffee shop or library or we work on the same building and use the same IP address if we are at work. If they are banning on IP address than perhaps me and David will be accused of being alts soon
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They banned that alt that was supposedly me by apparently thinking they were capable of analysis involving stuff like sentence structure or something.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
Do you guys actually think she is an alt, and if so do you guys actually give a shit as long as she isn't voting on her own debates.
This really concerns me because you guys one time when I was banned also banned an alt that wasn't mine. I had alts but one that wasn't mine got banned I think mostly Barney's fault and keep in mind the user that got banned was so liberal that he started a debate with oromagi about how robots and artificial intelligence is obviously racist.
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@Vici
I don't have a clue and I don't particularly care. I am just glad you're here.
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The libertarian in Arizona just dropped out and supported Blake masters so that race is over
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By extension I feel like earth is town. I think we need to start thinking about our scum pools and where they overlap so we can coalesce around an actual lynch. If we are going to do supa I am fine with it but it will likely end the DP
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I honestly think that the discord trap by earth was very obvious, but I also believe Corey would have fell for it, so he's in my town pile
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@thett3
I really hope some of the site liberals respond because everything in the ad was true. How is this a “white supremacist” society lol
Unfortunately I think the site is lacking engagement from intelligent liberals. People who can respond to this intelligently like whiteflame or Ragnar prefer to just speak about specific policies in a very narrow way or not at all, and avoid these types of topics.
The best we have in the forums is oromagi sadly and best is not exactly a compliment here because really when he isn't copy pasting articles that nobody reads, he is engaging in what aboutism or ad hominem attacks.
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My advice to you thett is that you have seen the best arguments even from intelligent liberals and they aren't that great. It's the same shit over and over.
Abortion arguments, the best always concede that personhood is a stupid thing to argue and go with the easy to defeat violinist arguments.
Gun arguments they pull up statistics from places that have never had crime problems like Australia or New Zealand and try to frame the debate around that bullshit.
If you want a liberal who can actually defend any liberalism you basically have to find a marxist and usually a college professor otherwise it is just a stupid true believer weak on philosophy and economics, and they typically would immediately concede that you are right about that ad being honest.
You, me. We have nothing to be gained here except wasting your time. At best we can influence young people who come here before the left gets a chance to fully indoctrinate them, but it draws away from time that you can spend growing your wealth, power and freedom so you can actually better force your will onto society.
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So a lunch on supa probably ends the DP. I am still down with it. He is apparently TP at best and I am assuming he is only 1x death proof otherwise it makes no sense he is a survivor or even scum would only be 1x unless this is bastard modding of some sort
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I would rather not end the DP without a lunch and we have activity from everyone so we should all have a scum and town list even if it is weak
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Supa can you find out if this pointless role conformal will end the DP?
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@crystalynx
its alright im sure im more dumb here
It's not a competition. We can both be retards.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Democrat voters are more sophisticated than Republicans
I think you are the typical Democrat TBH and when you hypocrisy is pointed out such as I pointed out with McCain, you resort to ad hominem or say retarded shit like
"Derp, why did the president that had the same conspiracy swirling around them as the losers of the election get more attention focused on them"
Gee I wonder why the president would get more scrutiny than losers who wanted to be president. Fucking tard level logic.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Right, and you’re probably not a child molester, I mean maybe you are but maybe you’re not. It’s impossible to know.
Correct. That isn't a statement on your part that really means everything. Everybody already knew I was either a pedophile or am not
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@Barney
I haven't played in a while so all I can say is I am an idiot
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Are we just praying that crystal and Corey are scum. Otherwise we have a completely inactive town and it's impossible to win.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Shit so many anti whites in America. How dare somebody be accused of not being a natural born citizen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
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By the way. John mcCain who Obama ran against was challenged by Democrats on his ability to be president because of the circumstances surrounding his birth. We're Obama supporters bringing that up racists?
Or do we perhaps have a collective anxiety over who the leader of the free world is and want to verify they are fit and eligible for the job, particularly if we believe their interests don't align with our own?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
When Trump spoke with ABC News' Jon Karl in August 2013 in Iowa, he said he was still unsure about the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate."Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows,"
So here is an example of him not saying it is fake.
He was playing to racist tropes that a black man can’t be a legitimate President, which is what many racists in America wanted to believe
That is a bad faith argument. You should probably take a person at their word when they are arguing instead of assuming some malevolent intent based strictly on the fact you just personally don't agree with them on political issues.
Name another President who needed to show his birth certificate. Everyone knew who Obama’s mother was, Stanley Ann Durham. Nobody questioned she was born in America. Therefore there should have been no question or need to see Obama’s birth certificate.
If there are rumors you are lying about your birth place than maybe address them so people can have faith in the system. This ridiculous notion that conspiracy theories aren't created about white presidents is silly. Trump was believed to be a time traveler, bush to have planned 9-11 and Clinton to have killed like 120 people.
It's silly to think those conspiracies are because people were racist towards Trump Clinton or bush
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Obama wasn’t born in America
This is where a lot of the left is dishonest. For example they will say Trump made that claim, but he really just said Obama should be releasing his birth certificate to stop people from questioning it.
His speculation actually helped because Obama actually released a birth certificate afterwards.
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@Avery
I thought women just liked cuddles and the odd wedgie.
Response to post #46
I have an unusually good memory and about 4 years and 6 months ago you told me a story that connects with this theme a bit. I won't elaborate, but I am very intrigued.
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@Greyparrot
I wish Republicans would have started the fact check lies first. I am now even seeing under videos that are pro life on YouTube "context warnings" with articles linked to reproductive rights.
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There have been studies on this and contrary to popular opinion, even first time politicians generally stay true to the platform they set when they campaign.
When Democrats say that Republicans lie they usually mean "we don't like that opinion so it is a lie"
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@Avery
Do you know the title of his follow up work? I don't remember him making this argument.
I think he dedicates approximately 2 sentences to it in his manifesto, and he never uses words like transhumanist or other such things that only came to popularity after he was imprisoned.
As far as his follow up works are concerned. It has been 10 years since I have even glanced at anything and I would check Amazon first. If they aren't on Amazon it might require a difficult scavenger hunt that involves reaching out to various green anarchist groups.
I was only looking into his work because I consider myself a transhumanist and I wanted to see the strongest rebuttal possible. I know he does a good job of writing people back who write him, but I didn't want to disrespect him by making him reiterate any points he already made in his published materials.
Being fulfilled without suffering is the preferred state of being -- that's what should be engineered in humans.
If it's even possible to engineer that. https://youtu.be/8I4BtnZ6Vmk
But okay, the positive tribalism feeling would spring to life if people lived like in the olden days -- working in close-knit communities that are battling in a tough environment really brings people together. Although, people can already trigger this by supporting sport teams, and still live in modern times.
The problem is replicating it feels hollow. You can often see the tension of society in the media it likes to consume. They hide their anxieties in stories.
Have you ever wondered why sitcoms with a dad and no mother with lots of kids were popular in the early 90s. Things like full house? It represented an anxiety about more women entering the workforce and losing their mother.
I would say zombie movies being popular is the same thing. https://youtu.be/iSwAbQD-gZU
If you watch that 5 minute video you'll see the professor talk about that hollow tribalism brought about by following football teams or joining clubs etc.
No doubt people would miss modern conveniences, but we also miss things like having real bonds, and engaging in the tribalistic parts of our brain/inner being.
I don't know enough about this specific scenario to comment on it.
It's a boring subject but if you just know how common it is for people to run away from civilized societies to a more tribal one, than you would get the gist. However I will point to something more modern to highlight the same point
These special forces teams are famous for not only having a strong tribe they belong to when in battle, but their suicide rates when they return home.
Look up the suicide rate of special forces returning home at some point. What people don't realize is that these people don't commit suicide when deployed or in the harshest environments. It is only when they return home to the comforts of modern living that they blow their brains out.
It's said that special forces members are in fact safer in battle than they are returning home to the comfort of modern life. They literally kill themselves when that tribal part of them is not activated.
So here we have people who are in your theoretical situation. Modern people reverted back to being tribal. The results don't really line up with what you think will happen.
I think you are likely correct, when they are in a foxhole eating MREs, I am sure they miss stuff like a nice home cooked meal and internet and air conditioning. However what we can also see is that they don't miss it enough to kill themselves, however when they lose the tribal atmosphere and go to modern comforts, they miss it so bad the blow their brains out.
I wonder if a similar thing happened to Lannan. He had a brotherhood and tribe that just couldn't be replicated at home, as sad as that is.
It's just too dangerous to be yourself, but I haven't covered every part of myself.
Yes, removing the mask entirely would be harmful. We need one, we just have to be careful not to become the mask, otherwise it loses it's purpose.
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@crystalynx
I'm still new, what do you mean by power role /scum?
Your message should have your character name in it. Read it and tell us. Your pm should have what your powers are. Read it and tell us. Your PM should have your alignment in it. Read it and tell us.
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@crystalynx
I don't understand the game much at all so I don't know how to contribute
That's okay. Basically you are trying to figure out who is scum. You can start by doing some of the following.
1. Figure out who seems shady and place your vote on them.
2. Try to elicet behavioral tells the way a cop would in an interrogation. You can do this by pressuring them with your vote and asking questions
1. What were your actions last NP
2. Why should Ii believe you?
3. If somebody seems like they are definitely town along with you, then support them by placing your vote where their vote is.
Also feel free to just bullshit with people and see if they can slip up and give clues to their alignment while bullshitting.
What is your favorite color?
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@Vader
Do not full claim at all. TPs are essentially joint win roles, so we should only be the ones to claim realistically for town benefit
We can't trust this really. There can be weird wincons like Batman wins when the joker dies or you win if you survive until DP3.
I played in a game where I won if I got 3 specific people lynched and none could be NKed.
We don't know what your wincon is and have no reason to trust you
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@thett3
What is your first order of business after becoming president upon the mysterious and unrelated disappearance of Airmax?
I can trust you are treating the first lady nice under the circumstances?
I can trust you are treating the first lady nice under the circumstances?
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@Earth
I am certainly down with killing the TPs first as a precaution the issue is if it gives us less mislynches or not.
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@ILikePie5
What parts of your role did you leave out for "strategic purposes"?
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