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What news sources whose. General ideology you agree with, would you consider fake news?
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@oromagi
Trump has escalated into a reckless cult of fake news after the last electionMy definition of fake news would be any source of news that cherry picks stories and/or talks about stories with presuppositions using their own world view, any source that has any bias as opposed to just spouting dry facts without manipulating photos or using sound bites without full context. I would also consider a source fake news if they only touch the surface of a news story and don't do a deep dive as it risks people not understanding what they are reporting fully. Any source that has ever used a clock bait title I would throw in this bag. Any source that runs stories manipulating scientific fact like "study proves eggs are healthy" when it was a study that showed people who generally eat eggs are less likely to get diabetes for example.
How would you define fake news?
Just as maybe a few examples, can you tell me if the following were fake news stories
1. War time correspondent pretending to be in danger but is on roof of hotel nowhere near fire.
2. A news anchor in a hurricane pretending to barely be able to stand and exaggerating their danger.
3. Using stock photos but implying they are from an actual event
4. Showing up 3 hours before an event and taking pictures of almost nobody being there and then running a headline that the picture is representative of the event at full capacity
5. Covering a protest but having people come close together and doing a close in shot that makes the event appear larger than it was
6. Covering a war but only using government sources.
7. Allowing bad actors on your program to spread misinformation instead of vetting them to see if they actually represent the groups they claim to
8. Giving a soundbyte of an event that actually doesn't give you the well reasoned argument that the sound bite represents.
9. Nancy grace acting like being accused of a crime makes you definitely guilty. Is she fake news
10. The woman that covered the Olympic bombings and told everybody Richard Jewell did them. Was she fake news?
I would call all of the above fake news but I have a feeling your definition is not as general as mine. It's worth knowing what we are talking about when we say fake news though, so what do you mean?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You nailed it.
You aren't really any better than op in that regard. You do the same exact thing.
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@oromagi
Ballot rigging is insider corruption- deliberately misrepresenting the count. Your headline claims "ballot rigging" but the incident you document took place days before the counting began.Do you have any evidence of ballot rigging in Carmel? or was that accusation just something you invented?
Do you think the person's actions were ethical or unethical?
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@That2User
I can do "Batman has a moral imperative to kill the Joker"
You would be wrong though. For several reasons.
From consequentialism which is what you will likely argue looking something like this
" Batman allowing joker to live causes more people to die in the world"
Con
" Batman is what as known as hypersane and realizes he is in a comic book. Without being the archetypal villain, the comic book series would end and his universe would be destroyed"
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@Avery
The underlying psychological issues of humans needs to be rectified.
Why? I know this is probably tough to answer because instinctually we think suffering is bad because it is painful. A pain of sorts anyway. Often people will justify their current pain thinking about some distant reward and they cope that way. I know you are used to arguing against the normal cope of suffering can lead to greater pleasure, but get out of your comfort zone for a minute.
Why should I or anyone for that matter, value pleasure or hate suffering? Why should I even try to avoid suffering?
Sure it is painful, but would becoming a sort of masochist solve for that. Wouldn't that be an easier route to deal with human suffering than say working on rewiring the human brain if that is even possible or if you can even call us human, once it is done.
fact, people thinking that becoming more powerful and intelligent would solve our problems, is precisely one of the issues I talk about in the OP: people thinking that they can think their problems away (they can't. History is littered of examples). Transhumanism needs to physically change the human brain, in order to rectify the issues of human psychology -- that's the real goal
Would you choose to be hooked up to a machine that gives you unlimited unending pleasure?
What about tickles which derive pleasure in a person, even if it is involuntary. Would you be okay with 3 people who dedicated their life to non stop tickling you and slept in shifts for eternity?
It's non stop pleasure after all.
Secondly, you're making my argument for me. The fact that you can't have a "great life" without suffering is proof that human life is inefficient and could be improved.
Why is that? Why is a great life without suffering preferable to one with suffering?
You know why depressed people have a hard time beating depression? They like it . It activates the reward centers of their brain and they enjoy suffering. That's kind of beside the point.
I think we are missing a lot due to the limitations of English and perhaps and human language. We label suffering as in pleasurable but depression activates the brains reward system. We get a type of high from running 10 miles. Not only after the run but during the last hardest stretch.
Cold showers are torture but if you can withstand it for the first few seconds it makes you smile.
The words pain and pleasure are both imprecise at truly describing the range of feelings we have and they certainly aren't opposites as they go hand in hand.
People do this a lot with seemingly opposite emotions. For example love and hate. Ayn Rand said the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. Pain and pleasure are not opposites.
It's why some of us get horny when we are given an atomic wedgie.
I think your life advice comes from a well-intentioned place, but this thread really has nothing to do with me personally.
Well my time here is limited and I thought since I have given you so much bad advice in the past I should try to make up for it
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@Avery
You mentioned tackling some boy who had made fun of you and giving him a wedgie. Does it turn you on more to give them or to receive them 😜
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@zedvictor4
If I was mistaken and we were talking about potato wedges, than I change my opinion on it being a weird fetish. It is a delicious fetish.
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@zedvictor4
Why quit?Your input is valid no matter how casually you use the site.
Because I seek to go to war with myself. To harden my mind and focus on a sole purpose so I can achieve some things I could not achieve otherwise.
Everyday I come on this site is a day I lost a battle with my own mind. I am going to get stronger until I can defeat it.
I probably won't debate again, but I will stay here until I finish a few things.
I will say as long as the site helps me harden myself a bit, I will probably have less excuses to come on.
For example right now I am trying to choose kinder words. I fucked up just now though because I have a hard time not telling stupid people they are stupid.
It really isn't their fault they are stupid though, and me telling them something they probably already know isn't going to help them . If you are curious it was the Roosevelt guy.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Just like Trump, making fun of the disabled. So classy. When you see a blind person walking by to you stick out your foot to trip them?
Fair enough. It is bad taste. Fetrerman is suffering from extreme mental deficiencies and he shouldn't be made fun of.
I have to point out though that Trump never made fun of any handicapped people. That was the media taking some stuff he said and not providing full context just to see if the people who blindly just watch CNN and accept everything they say would be stupid enough to believe them. I think most people were not that stupid, but yes the out of context video did full some people
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I was hoping Fetrerman would win just because of how hilarious the acceptance speech would be
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What we need to determine is why to so many Indiana guns end up used in crimes in Illinois.
My guess is that people in Chicago buy them from people in Indiana who can more easily acquire them. The question though is why is there more gun crime in Illinois than in Indiana despite having less access to guns? Could demographics be at play?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I believe Indiana is the source of most of the guns used in crimes in Illinois
What are the demographics of indiana vs the demographics of Chicago. I want to see if we can analyze that and help us determine the real reason why gun violence might be more of a problem in Chicago than in Indiana as a whole
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@Intelligence_06
In the United States we don't train people to not be killed. We train them to kill.
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@That2User
Yes me as pro choice. I work 60 hours a week so I can either do a live debate on a Saturday or need 1 week argument time.
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I might do one final debate before permanently quitting the site. It will be a devil's advocate position for abortion.
Maybe Ii will do a small series. But I will take the liberal position on all topics. It will be to prove two things.
The liberal position when from the point of view of the elitests behind closed doors who influence the midwits and idiots of the left have a philosophical position that is both evil and unassailable.
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@ILikePie5
Honestly I thought you didn't have even a point yet, and that it would just extend the game to lynch you
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@Avery
That's what they all say when you accidentally uncover their weird fetishes
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@Avery
So, his counterargument is along the lines of: not all technology causes/contributes to industrialization, that technology which does not is permissible
I am not going to scroll up to remember what I posted more accurately, but I wasn't talking about how we would or would not return to the same state.
I think his argument against transhumanism was basically that the transhumanists claim that the downsides of industrialization will be eliminated by some future technology, and kazynski was merely skeptical of the claim this future technology was likely and he certainly felt like if it was possible than the current sacrifices weren't worth it.
I think the issue with the Matrix conception is that it's attempting to work with what humans are, rather than attempting to change humans. It's been the issue with any major Progressive work -- humans psychology overrides cerebral notions.
Can humans fundamentally be changed? If we implanted cockroaches with some sort of super powers and increased their intelligence, wouldn't they just be really smart and powerful cockroaches?
Ted would say that a harder life is better, but I'd counter by saying that even no life would be preferred to that life, and also that we could simply evolve past that limitation.
Cassie, the sooner we can drop this notion that life will be better, the better off we will be. You can't be great and have a comfortable life. You must suffer. Forget the rest of human society who seek to be like the pampered babies in Wall-E .
As contradictory as it seems. You will never be happy unless you wake up every single day and impose as much suffering on yourself as humanly possible.
Your mind is your enemy no matter how smart you become. In fact becoming smarter just makes your mind a more formidable enemy to yourself.
Get up. You want to sleep more in the morning but if you want greatness you need to go for that jog. Your body wants the sugary cereal when your are done with the jog but you must suffer more and eat a nutritious breakfast.
When you go to work, you will want to slack off and not go your hardest because you won't get recognized for your effort and it is easier, but you need to impose suffering on yourself.
When you get off of work you'll want to watch a movie or blow some steam on Dart. Don't do it. Suffer more. Work on a new business or some philosophical book (you have the brain for it).
When your boyfriend annoys you, you'll want to lash out. Don't do it suffer in silence and make yourself amused by his lame attempts at humor or his annoying habits.
You will not be happy until you suffer. Stop trying to escape from it. In fact don't just embrace suffering. Hope for it. Hope that the johs every morning turn into stress fractures so you can show how tough you are by not quitting. Hope that your friend brings a cake over so you can try to repair that relationship when you throw her gift in the trash.
Suffer. Just suffer and find more suffering. Be a warrior and go to war with yourself.
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@K_Michael
Yeah moderates are more likely to win, but by not alienating extremists you can pick up more of their votes. You also allow them to pursue your agenda through non democratic means.
I have to say though. I think Biden only won because of the black vote. It was a large pool of candidates but he was OBama's VP and got a huge majority of that demographic. Had he never had been VP for Obama I honestly think Democrats in general would have been in a tight fight between sanders and a moderate candidate like Elizabeth Warren.
So the basic way to win the presidency is to have a purity fight with others of your political alignment and then when the general election happens pretend like there was no purity fight and try to occupy the middle so you can syphon votes from the other side
I have to say though. I think Biden only won because of the black vote. It was a large pool of candidates but he was OBama's VP and got a huge majority of that demographic. Had he never had been VP for Obama I honestly think Democrats in general would have been in a tight fight between sanders and a moderate candidate like Elizabeth Warren.
So the basic way to win the presidency is to have a purity fight with others of your political alignment and then when the general election happens pretend like there was no purity fight and try to occupy the middle so you can syphon votes from the other side
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@K_Michael
Yeah and this is a bit of a welcome change. If we have one side that always sides with their extremists and another that openly disavows them than the one disavowing them is at a disadvantage. For the sake of the future of the country we can't allowed leftists whose policies would turn us into a 3rd world country to continue to beat us merely because we refuse to lower ourselves to their level
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I think political violence is a bipartisan issue, with the exception of the fact the right tries to distance themselves from people like those on January 6, while the Democrats are like "well yeah the looters saying we should eliminate any funding for police are on to something" or when the Seattle autonomous region was support by the city mayor who forbid the police from returning control
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If the game becomes so pointless in DP2 that everyone can just straight up say what they are and secure a mafia victory, then the problem is the game.
Yeah this is pretty much true. tP/scum outnumber town and so the game design was bad, but I think that2 will do even better next time
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I was talking to whiteflame in the scum PM without realizing he wasn't there. I will copy and paste what I was saying in the next DP or in the end game
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Whiteflame knows I am poor, but he also knows I am irresponsible with money
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@whiteflame
You literally have somebody in scum chat that got converted to town. It isn't a good precedent either
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@That2User
A part of learning is experimenting and making mistakes. Thanks for hosting the game
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@crystalynx
A lot of people don't know this about pie but he is an asshole
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@ILikePie5
So you can still win this game and help us this do. VTLing me seems to work against your win con.
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@ILikePie5
Bro hammer. WTF are you waiting for. What is your wincon we can make a deal somehow
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@crystalynx
Hell yeah. Good job. Even if we pie doesn't hammer I will hook you up
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@crystalynx
The box above where you text has a letter b. Just highlight what you want bolded and touch the letter b or click on it
If you can't do it your vote should still count in my opinion
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@ILikePie5
I knew you were lying about your wincon. What is it?
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@crystalynx
I will have that Starbucks to you the second pie hammers. Give me 10 minutes to buy it but you got it
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@ILikePie5
Crystal wants the free Starbucks hammer dude hammer WF right now please. I will have the shit in your PM in the next 10 minutes
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@ILikePie5
My guess is there is at least one more TP or we can bully crystal into voting with us.
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@ILikePie5
Did you read my post. Me and supa are in scum chat together right now LOL. Vote whiteflame out. Scum TP alliance wins and you get Starbucks out of it
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@ILikePie5
I am penguin and godfather and I win with Mafia.
Interesting enough the fake claim given to me was penguin and also PGO
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@Barney
Well there is so many goddamn third party I might turn this around
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@Vader
I just told them we are scum it's just a matter if TP wants to work with us for free coffee now
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@Barney
Read my post. This is just a game. More important than the bastard modding is the ability to go on a coffee date with cute girl you like. Take my fucking free coffee
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@ILikePie5
You are a broke college student and my friend. Read my above post
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
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@crystalynx
Okay let's just be honest here.
Whiteflame is town and was some how got converted to town from scum. So a literal scum that got converted to town who was in the scum chat with me and supa.
I am willing to bank on the fact that there is so many TP this game that scum and TP combined have town outnumbered. Whoever here who is TP should side with scum.
I am going to straight up tell you why. Because any tP that helps scum win the game, right hand to God I will buy you a $10 gift certificate to star bucks. The money is in my bank account and anyone who helps lynch whiteflame gets free Starbucks on me.
VTL Whiteflame
Whiteflame is town and was some how got converted to town from scum. So a literal scum that got converted to town who was in the scum chat with me and supa.
I am willing to bank on the fact that there is so many TP this game that scum and TP combined have town outnumbered. Whoever here who is TP should side with scum.
I am going to straight up tell you why. Because any tP that helps scum win the game, right hand to God I will buy you a $10 gift certificate to star bucks. The money is in my bank account and anyone who helps lynch whiteflame gets free Starbucks on me.
VTL Whiteflame
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